Guest guest Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Hi Diane - yep, I was aware of your schedule. When I wrote that post early last week, I knew I wouldn't be hearing from you until the weekend - which is totally fine by me. As far as the exact nature of the symptoms that niacinamide has caused - well, it's hard to describe in greater detail than I already have - unfortunately, I don't have the vocabulary or the descriptive abilities that I used to. But no - I don't have hot flushes, turning red, spells, or profuse sweating. Oh, I take that back - I do have little " episodes " where - if I'm in the middle of some task (esp. if I'm feeling a bit stressed by the chore), and/or I move around too much - I will get a disoriented, dizzy, " head spinning " feeling. But this might exist independent of the niacinamide situation - so I'm not sure if this is connected specifically to the niacinamide detox reaction. Other symptoms I noticed: -a stimulated, tingly, sort-of " burning " sensation in my arms (perhaps the feeling is related to the nerves somehow being affected) -a sped-up heart rate, heart beating harder and/or faster (comes and goes - it's not a very persistent symptom) -a very spacey, foggy feeling - even moreso than usual (you can argue that I've been in a spaced-out fog for most of my life - especially from about 1993 onward). Remember when you recently wrote something about " presence " - about, when your body is in a certain healthy, strong, " zone " - your body-language reflects it and your " aura " commands the respect of people? Well, I think I noticed having even less of this " presence " than usual - it's as though when I went out in public and had to interact with the world, I had a spaced-out, childish quality to my aura. Certain people responded to this in unpleasant and/or patronizing ways. Put brutally, I worried that I looked like a dumb, childish person. -maybe feeling even more withdrawn, more nonverbal, even more difficulty verbalizing my thoughts -more anxiety -more jittery - as you put it, the feeling of needing to move around. Just more agitated. -insomnia - feeling too " wired " to sleep -with each dose, as the dosing episodes started to add up - I think I noticed a certain physical sensation in my brain that's hard to describe. It was as though (and I don't think I'm being melodramatic) something were actually leaking and injuring the brain cells. That sounds horrible to think about - but I did feel a slight " afterburn " feeling in my brain. I'm probably not describing this well at all. So that's my attempt to go into more detail about what, exactly, I was feeling. I may not have succeeded - I think I only ended up repeating myself in some places. Like I may have said, some of the reaction may have been due to increased systemic acidity due to the different brand of vitamin C I was trying out around the same time. From what I was able to gather, this vitamin C turned out to be way more acidic than I thought it would be. (Acidity has often made me foggy, etc..) For some reason, my body reacts poorly to acidic vitamin C and other to acidic supplements. But I fear that my reaction could have also been due to mercury toxicity - whether directly or indirectly. Maybe whatever is " detoxing " includes mercury? And when I say " detox " - I guess what I'm really talking about is just moving the mercury around in the cells, which can cause very uncomfortable symptoms. Mercury doesn't " detox " (clear the body) very well unless you adopt a specific protocol - but certain things or certain conditions can move it around the brain/body, causing more harm. I could expound on this angle more - why I think it could be mercury toxicity - but this post has gotten too long so I'll spare it. But I hope that this isn't what is happening - the mercury issue just complicates things greatly - I'm not prepared to deal with that! But I have been taking manganese over these past few months. Due to my low tolerability of supplements - I haven't been taking it every day, though - which is good, I guess. At this point, I'm lucky to fit it in 2 times per week - which fits well with the cautious approach. I had a hair-mineral-analysis done in late-2009, and I tested below the normal range in this nutrient. So I may " need " it - but I guess I still need to tread carefully, especially if I'm mercury toxic. I've tried pantethine recently - and at first I thought I responded o.k. to this supplement (at least the Now Foods brand). But after taking it for awhile (or maybe it was because I had switched to the Source Naturals brand, not sure) - I noticed it having an energy-draining effect....almost as soon as I took the supplement, I noticed feeling more tired and wiped-out. Then I suspected that it was interfering with my production of hemoglobin. I started feeling like I was slipping back into anemia, and decided to get a blood test done. Sure enough, the test showed that I had low hemoglobin and low hematocrit levels - although my actual iron levels looked o.k.. (But over the past few days, I've been reminded of the possibility that my low hemoglobin levels may actually be related to a copper deficiency - so maybe pantethine is exonerated?) I will try to email you for that manganese information... Oh, and I wonder if gelatin powder would achieve some of the same effects as glutamine? Glutamine is supposed to be one of the amino-acid constituents of gelatin (along with glycine and other aminos) - although the percentage of glutamine in gelatin may not be very high. I recently bought some gelatin powder because I had heard that it aids in gut-healing and it promotes digestion. Oh, and as far as how often I notice this " immediate " reaction to supplements - I will say that the vast majority of supplements cause this very quick response. It's not only a select few, or certain ones - it's the vast majority. Thanks Diane! ~Svetaswan > > > > > > From: KathyB <calicocat477@> > > Subject: Supplements > > > > Date: Saturday, June 11, 2011, 6:42 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > I tried some cod liver oil must be low in D, it's helping lesson the > > nerve pain. . I read Amy Yasko, refers to healing nerves. Have any > > tried GABA? > > I react to D3 for some reason. > > > > She believes > > glutamate is the bullet & calcium the gun. We can get ammonia from > > too much meat. Have to balance w more veggies. Calcium can excite the > > nerves. Anybody read Blaylock's peice on it? > > http://www.whale.to/a/sudden_cardiac_death.html > > > > I know many take calcium, but it causes more pain for me. I was taking the wrong kind though. She believes to keep your calcium > > levels in the low range of normal. It's hard w what emf's do to it. But maybe being low in cal caused my E Sens? > > > > Kathy > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Hi - so just cutting out gluten worked wonders for you? I'm just wondering if cutting out casein (i.e. dairy) would also be required. They often recommend cutting out the two proteins together - but tackling gluten is hard enough! ~Svetaswan > > > > > > Hi, Kathy, > > >  > > > Sorry to hear of your dilemma. GABA won't help if you have tight junction permeability or blood-brain barrier leaking.  GABA is what some doctors actually use to see if you have BBB leaking. If you do have it, you get very agitated instead of the calm, mellowed out feeling you are supposed to have with GABA. [sometimes, tho, you first get the calm mellow feeling and then after another dose get the bad agitated, angry feelings.] This is perhaps a good way, however, to assess whether a leaky BBB and tight junctions have anything to do with your ES! You would have good evidence if you took the GABA after being badly emf-ed. > > >  > > > Have you tried D3 from an all natural source? Carlson's Labs has a D3 made from Fish oils. It is pretty pricey, but you only take it every other day and so it lasts a long time. > > >  > > > B12 is something which might help you. Get a sublingual pill, which bypasses the gut, and the best quality you can find. I use methylcobalamin. There are different types. B12 helps the nervous system. > > >  > > > Possibly a hydrogen supplement would help. > > >  > > > You mentioned not doing well on calcium, and I didn't either until I took calcium AEP. I personally always take it with pantethine. Emfs can cause calcium efflux from where it should be in the brain. Calcium AEP is the type calcium the brain uses. Again, this would pertain to you only if you know your BBB is leaking, and not necessarily pertain, if it is not. > > >  > > > If you have a good doctor who you can go to, also, a calcium channel blocker might be helpful, if you know for sure you are having calcium efflux. I take the natural calcium channel blockers manganese and taurine once in a while (I do not consider these safe for me to take on a daily basis, but then, I have no need for doing that anyway, since I am now rarely having ES symptoms).  [if you need to try these, however, do ask me for more info, because manganese can act as a toxic metal. I am only here on weekends, tho, so expect to wait a few days before hearing from me. (Sorry!)] The way this works, from my understanding, if you have calcium efflux is: the tight junction is opened by emfs, then this allows calcium migration to occur. The tight junction cannot sometimes close properly, so sometimes the efflux doesn't stop till a calcium > channel blocker is taken.  If you take a calcium channel > > blocker, it will block the calcium from > > > leaking, often, in the first place. (At least that is how it is with the manganese and taurine.) However, know that many of us have conflicting medical needs for which calcium channel blockers are not a good therapy. (If it were that easy, we could all go running to our docs for calcium channel blockers.  ) You may share this with your doctor and if she is a very good doc, she will check it out herself and may have even better ideas. > > >  > > > As to shielding..... There are a number of good options for windows: aluminum or steel screens for windows (I forget the size mesh, but it has to be small and you have to cover the windows including the window frames); there are anti-emf window films; there are anti-emf fabrics which can be made into curtain panels (I velcro mine to a painted lath board on the wall at the ceiling--glue the lath board up; my drapes are also ceiling height); I also use huge plants--fan palms, other palms, large ficus, scheffalera(?sp?); and I have used a large screen made from 3 doors hinged together and covered on one side with heavy aluminum foil, which is movable and portable. Outside trees are even better shields, especially thick evergreens, but placement can be a challenge and it takes at least 3 years before they are large enough. [However, as a home owner, I would like getting as many trees in place > to help with neighboring smart > > meters, as possible!] > > >  > > > On shielding with screen, fabric, foil.... It seems that if you double fabric or screen on itself, it will then negate shielding and allow emfs thru, so for edging and seams, you must make a 3 layer seam. Odd thicknesses block emfs, even thicknesses let emfs pass thru. Very hard to grasp, I know from experience. lol > > >  > > > Also, if there are aberrant, digital, or wireless frequencies inside your house, they will bounce off of some of these fixes and cause you problems from within. You can try heavy aluminum foil taped to the wall to see how it works temporarily until you get something better in place. Remember there might be also metal in the wall or nails in studding that could cause problems. > > >  > > > Hope some of this is helpful; it sounds like you truly need something fast, > > > Bless you, > > > Diane > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Svetaswan, I hope you don't mind me jumping in here, but many of the symptoms you described sound like low adrenal and low thyroid. Getting dizzy when move too fast? That is textbook low adrenals. Foggy brain, withdrawn, sounds like thyroid. Re-building/re storing health should always start with the Immune system. That means supporting the thyroid and the adrenal glands. Thiose two glands are the foundation of health- just like when buildng a house, you start with the foundation. The thryoid plays a HUGE role in how the body detoxes, how well the body absorbs nutrients, and literally every function in the body, from the emotions, to the heart. The adrenals are the rottweillers of the body. They stand before health and disease or un-health. Bluntly put, if the thyroid isn't working right, NOTHING in the body will work right. Lizzie From: svetaswan@... Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 03:18:31 +0000 Subject: Re: Supplements Hi Diane - yep, I was aware of your schedule. When I wrote that post early last week, I knew I wouldn't be hearing from you until the weekend - which is totally fine by me. As far as the exact nature of the symptoms that niacinamide has caused - well, it's hard to describe in greater detail than I already have - unfortunately, I don't have the vocabulary or the descriptive abilities that I used to. But no - I don't have hot flushes, turning red, spells, or profuse sweating. Oh, I take that back - I do have little " episodes " where - if I'm in the middle of some task (esp. if I'm feeling a bit stressed by the chore), and/or I move around too much - I will get a disoriented, dizzy, " head spinning " feeling. But this might exist independent of the niacinamide situation - so I'm not sure if this is connected specifically to the niacinamide detox reaction. Other symptoms I noticed: -a stimulated, tingly, sort-of " burning " sensation in my arms (perhaps the feeling is related to the nerves somehow being affected) -a sped-up heart rate, heart beating harder and/or faster (comes and goes - it's not a very persistent symptom) -a very spacey, foggy feeling - even moreso than usual (you can argue that I've been in a spaced-out fog for most of my life - especially from about 1993 onward). Remember when you recently wrote something about " presence " - about, when your body is in a certain healthy, strong, " zone " - your body-language reflects it and your " aura " commands the respect of people? Well, I think I noticed having even less of this " presence " than usual - it's as though when I went out in public and had to interact with the world, I had a spaced-out, childish quality to my aura. Certain people responded to this in unpleasant and/or patronizing ways. Put brutally, I worried that I looked like a dumb, childish person. -maybe feeling even more withdrawn, more nonverbal, even more difficulty verbalizing my thoughts -more anxiety -more jittery - as you put it, the feeling of needing to move around. Just more agitated. -insomnia - feeling too " wired " to sleep -with each dose, as the dosing episodes started to add up - I think I noticed a certain physical sensation in my brain that's hard to describe. It was as though (and I don't think I'm being melodramatic) something were actually leaking and injuring the brain cells. That sounds horrible to think about - but I did feel a slight " afterburn " feeling in my brain. I'm probably not describing this well at all. So that's my attempt to go into more detail about what, exactly, I was feeling. I may not have succeeded - I think I only ended up repeating myself in some places. Like I may have said, some of the reaction may have been due to increased systemic acidity due to the different brand of vitamin C I was trying out around the same time. From what I was able to gather, this vitamin C turned out to be way more acidic than I thought it would be. (Acidity has often made me foggy, etc..) For some reason, my body reacts poorly to acidic vitamin C and other to acidic supplements. But I fear that my reaction could have also been due to mercury toxicity - whether directly or indirectly. Maybe whatever is " detoxing " includes mercury? And when I say " detox " - I guess what I'm really talking about is just moving the mercury around in the cells, which can cause very uncomfortable symptoms. Mercury doesn't " detox " (clear the body) very well unless you adopt a specific protocol - but certain things or certain conditions can move it around the brain/body, causing more harm. I could expound on this angle more - why I think it could be mercury toxicity - but this post has gotten too long so I'll spare it. But I hope that this isn't what is happening - the mercury issue just complicates things greatly - I'm not prepared to deal with that! But I have been taking manganese over these past few months. Due to my low tolerability of supplements - I haven't been taking it every day, though - which is good, I guess. At this point, I'm lucky to fit it in 2 times per week - which fits well with the cautious approach. I had a hair-mineral-analysis done in late-2009, and I tested below the normal range in this nutrient. So I may " need " it - but I guess I still need to tread carefully, especially if I'm mercury toxic. I've tried pantethine recently - and at first I thought I responded o.k. to this supplement (at least the Now Foods brand). But after taking it for awhile (or maybe it was because I had switched to the Source Naturals brand, not sure) - I noticed it having an energy-draining effect....almost as soon as I took the supplement, I noticed feeling more tired and wiped-out. Then I suspected that it was interfering with my production of hemoglobin. I started feeling like I was slipping back into anemia, and decided to get a blood test done. Sure enough, the test showed that I had low hemoglobin and low hematocrit levels - although my actual iron levels looked o.k.. (But over the past few days, I've been reminded of the possibility that my low hemoglobin levels may actually be related to a copper deficiency - so maybe pantethine is exonerated?) I will try to email you for that manganese information... Oh, and I wonder if gelatin powder would achieve some of the same effects as glutamine? Glutamine is supposed to be one of the amino-acid constituents of gelatin (along with glycine and other aminos) - although the percentage of glutamine in gelatin may not be very high. I recently bought some gelatin powder because I had heard that it aids in gut-healing and it promotes digestion. Oh, and as far as how often I notice this " immediate " reaction to supplements - I will say that the vast majority of supplements cause this very quick response. It's not only a select few, or certain ones - it's the vast majority. Thanks Diane! ~Svetaswan > > > > > > From: KathyB <calicocat477@> > > Subject: Supplements > > > > Date: Saturday, June 11, 2011, 6:42 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > I tried some cod liver oil must be low in D, it's helping lesson the > > nerve pain. . I read Amy Yasko, refers to healing nerves. Have any > > tried GABA? > > I react to D3 for some reason. > > > > She believes > > glutamate is the bullet & calcium the gun. We can get ammonia from > > too much meat. Have to balance w more veggies. Calcium can excite the > > nerves. Anybody read Blaylock's peice on it? > > http://www.whale.to/a/sudden_cardiac_death.html > > > > I know many take calcium, but it causes more pain for me. I was taking the wrong kind though. She believes to keep your calcium > > levels in the low range of normal. It's hard w what emf's do to it. But maybe being low in cal caused my E Sens? > > > > Kathy > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Hi again Diane - that's interesting how you describe your experiences with molybdenum supplementation. I've taken a molybdenum capsule several times over the past few months (I heard that it's good for helping to detox acetaldehyde) - and so far, so good. As you are aware by now, many/most supplements seem to give me a virtually-immediate reaction (whether positive or negative) - and so far, I've noticed a positive reaction to molybd. It seems to have a head-clearing effect. Although I strive to take it every day, I fall short of that goal - so there are sometimes when I take it after having not taken it for several days. So far, I've never noticed that negative type of " detox " reaction that you describe. And I suspect that I am (unfortunately) mercury toxic - so it's interesting that I have tolerated this supplement well so far. I've shown some indications of being high in plasma cysteine and reacting poorly to " sulphury " things. Actually, this page explains how molybdenum would be good for high-cysteine mercury toxic people (about halfway down the page): http://livingnetwork.co.za/chelationnetwork/food/high-sulfur-sulphur-food-list/ ~Svetaswan > > > > > > Hi, Kathy, > > >  > > > Sorry to hear of your dilemma. GABA won't help if you have tight junction permeability or blood-brain barrier leaking.  GABA is what some doctors actually use to see if you have BBB leaking. If you do have it, you get very agitated instead of the calm, mellowed out feeling you are supposed to have with GABA. [sometimes, tho, you first get the calm mellow feeling and then after another dose get the bad agitated, angry feelings.] This is perhaps a good way, however, to assess whether a leaky BBB and tight junctions have anything to do with your ES! You would have good evidence if you took the GABA after being badly emf-ed. > > >  > > > Have you tried D3 from an all natural source? Carlson's Labs has a D3 made from Fish oils. It is pretty pricey, but you only take it every other day and so it lasts a long time. > > >  > > > B12 is something which might help you. Get a sublingual pill, which bypasses the gut, and the best quality you can find. I use methylcobalamin. There are different types. B12 helps the nervous system. > > >  > > > Possibly a hydrogen supplement would help. > > >  > > > You mentioned not doing well on calcium, and I didn't either until I took calcium AEP. I personally always take it with pantethine. Emfs can cause calcium efflux from where it should be in the brain. Calcium AEP is the type calcium the brain uses. Again, this would pertain to you only if you know your BBB is leaking, and not necessarily pertain, if it is not. > > >  > > > If you have a good doctor who you can go to, also, a calcium channel blocker might be helpful, if you know for sure you are having calcium efflux. I take the natural calcium channel blockers manganese and taurine once in a while (I do not consider these safe for me to take on a daily basis, but then, I have no need for doing that anyway, since I am now rarely having ES symptoms).  [if you need to try these, however, do ask me for more info, because manganese can act as a toxic metal. I am only here on weekends, tho, so expect to wait a few days before hearing from me. (Sorry!)] The way this works, from my understanding, if you have calcium efflux is: the tight junction is opened by emfs, then this allows calcium migration to occur. The tight junction cannot sometimes close properly, so sometimes the efflux doesn't stop till a calcium > > channel blocker is taken.  If you take a calcium channel > > blocker, it will block the calcium from > > > leaking, often, in the first place. (At least that is how it is with the manganese and taurine.) However, know that many of us have conflicting medical needs for which calcium channel blockers are not a good therapy. (If it were that easy, we could all go running to our docs for calcium channel blockers.  ) You may share this with your doctor and if she is a very good doc, she will check it out herself and may have even better ideas. > > >  > > > As to shielding..... There are a number of good options for windows: aluminum or steel screens for windows (I forget the size mesh, but it has to be small and you have to cover the windows including the window frames); there are anti-emf window films; there are anti-emf fabrics which can be made into curtain panels (I velcro mine to a painted lath board on the wall at the ceiling--glue the lath board up; my drapes are also ceiling height); I also use huge plants--fan palms, other palms, large ficus, scheffalera(?sp?); and I have used a large screen made from 3 doors hinged together and covered on one side with heavy aluminum foil, which is movable and portable. Outside trees are even better shields, especially thick evergreens, but placement can be a challenge and it takes at least 3 years before they are large enough. [However, as a home owner, I would like getting as many trees in place > > to help with neighboring smart > > meters, as possible!] > > >  > > > On shielding with screen, fabric, foil.... It seems that if you double fabric or screen on itself, it will then negate shielding and allow emfs thru, so for edging and seams, you must make a 3 layer seam. Odd thicknesses block emfs, even thicknesses let emfs pass thru. Very hard to grasp, I know from experience. lol > > >  > > > Also, if there are aberrant, digital, or wireless frequencies inside your house, they will bounce off of some of these fixes and cause you problems from within. You can try heavy aluminum foil taped to the wall to see how it works temporarily until you get something better in place. Remember there might be also metal in the wall or nails in studding that could cause problems. > > >  > > > Hope some of this is helpful; it sounds like you truly need something fast, > > > Bless you, > > > Diane > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Hi again, Sveta,  I am glad to hear you don't have symptoms of serotonin syndrome! It is likely your symptoms are detoxing symptoms of some kind (detox symptoms come only when you are taking supps--not always--this is how we know them from thyroid and other problems).  Also, it is good that you do so well with molybdenum! That is a sign, too, that you do not have a back-log of detoxing due to detox phases in the liver being inoperational. [My difficulties with molybdenum stem from my liver being so badly damaged and dysfunctional in the past. I assume that many here also have very bad liver problems, but it appears you do not, which is great!]  Not a problem with being melodramatic, regarding feeling like your brain is leaking or bleeding. I have had this symptom and I know what you are talking about. It is a scary and very weird feeling. lol When I have this symptom, I either take much less of the offending nutrient, or I quit it. I figure whatever is going on is not likely a good thing. (Not that it couldn't be; but no sense in taking chances.) I have had some very odd situations with supps--like you, sometimes even the brand I am taking makes a huge difference for the better or worse. What I find most often is my body really doesn't like synthetic supps.  If you are having all these symptoms solely from niacinamide, Sveta, I'd say to slowly withdraw it and see if you no longer get the symptoms. Maybe taking less will work or you will need to quit it totally. No sense in taking something which makes you feel that bad, especially since you sound like you have good liver detox function, otherwise. You can usually shop around and find other supps/ other forms of a nutrient which will work to perform whatever you are taking a particular supp for. There is no reason to feel this bad, usually. If it is detoxing really bad stuff, that is one thing. You can expect to feel crappy during detoxing (and candida detox can make you feel really crappy). Detoxing always also makes ES temporarily worse, too. But there are ways to do even this in a less traumatic way. You might try homeopathy for candida killing. For me, it was the easiest program. Again, take this slowly; make sure the homeopath knows you have a stressed immune system and ES and need to detox slowly.  If you have had candida most of your life, that would be enough reason why you would have a history with brain fog.  I wouldn't worry about the mercury if I were you. You have a problem which is monumental enough with candida. Choose your battles and fight them to the end. Candida is a big enough giant to slay right now. It sounds as tho you have had problems with it a long time. It is probably time to kick it to the curb. Mercury is something, which if you have it, it will still be there later.  I am not being glib about mercury. It is a bad toxin, just know you have enough to keep you busy right now with candida. Do a good job with it and focus on it. No need to fight an army of invaders all at once.  Manganese is not likely good for you right now. This is actually what I tell most people when they ask. People always ask me what I have done for this or that. What they don't understand is I didn't do it all in a day, week, month, or year.... It took me a decade (even longer in some situations). I did make mistakes along the way, plus I had over a dozen big health problems to overcome, so that is why it took a decade! However, none of you here can do what I have done exactly; you cannot take a supp which I took in phase 10 and take it in phase 2 of your recovery plan and make it work like I did in phase 10. It just doesn't work that way, and I am always trying to tell people you have to work on things in a specific order. Manganese is a phase 10 supp. It was something I took after I got all my other many problems worked out sufficiently. Yes, it might work for you in helping keeping tight junctions closed (or not), but it is not necessarily going to work for you now. And it only does work when you are taking a good amount of calcium and pantethine to keep the membranes working properly. So, you actually have to do what I mentioned to Kathy in the email about slowly adding calcium AEP and pantethine together, first.  Elysia asked me recently (and I replied in a private mail to her) about the amounts of manganese and taurine, calcium AEP and pantethine which I took/ take. Well that isn't going to help anyone here. What I need and what you need are 2 different things. Treating tjs would necessitate different supplementation by everybody, dependent solely on the amount of damage to tjs you have. I only tell people what I did to encourage them that there are things which will work. (What I did or take may not help you; but likely there are other things which will help you.) But you are not a carbon copy of anyone else here. So, things will always be different for you. It is much more likely you need to do things in a particular order which is similar to what I did. But the specifics are solely your specifics. Barring liver and lymphatic problems or gluten/ dairy problems, candida is a great place to start. Like I mentioned yesterday to Elysia, make a flowchart of your problems, this will help you figure out in which order you need to do things.  I personally only take pantethine to facilitate the calcium AEP. I was told by my nutritionist to take them together and I always do. I wouldn't think it would have a connection with the anemia, but it possibly could. Anemia had much more to do with the monthlies and gut damage from dairy and gluten, which kept iron from getting to where it needed to go, in my personal experience.  You might want to put your candida on hold only to work on going dairy and gluten-free, if you think those might be your problems. You can look at it as an experiment--hit this hard for at least 6 to 9 months to be sure you have given your intestines time to heal. Go overboard with the project--eat no processed foods; only veggies, meat, potatoes, rice....--all fresh foods. Be careful of contamination from the glutens in the diets of others in your family. That way you know you did your best. If this leads to nothing in that amount of time you can rest assured gluten and dairy are not your problems. If it makes a huge difference, you will not mind sticking with the program.  Btw, dairy intolerance almost always follows gluten intolerance, but when you get your gut healed, you usually can slowly add most or all dairy back. You could also go df and gf and do a candida diet at the same time, but that could be stressful to try to do the entire thing at once. If you do this, figure your homework on paper. Decide the best food choices for you based on what you are most likely to stick with. You might find it isn't that much trouble to do them simultaneously, if you like alot of low glycemic foods which don't feed candida. Expect the first month to 6 weeks to be hell on either the candida or gf/ df diets. After that you will breeze thru.  (I only wrote about the gf/ df issue because you brought it up as something you thought might be a problem area.)  Actually, the gf/ df diet might not be that bad to start for you, but I personally did have a rough first 6 weeks. I was basically, tho, going from nearly completely bed-bound to having to prepare all my meals from scratch.  Yes, plain gelatin can be used. I did use gelatin too. I also used papaya enzymes to help heal my intestines. (American Health Original Papaya Enzymes.)  Sorry this is long. I know you write alot too, so I sometimes go overboard with your mails.  Bless you, Diane From: svetaswan <svetaswan@...> Subject: Re: Supplements Date: Friday, June 24, 2011, 11:18 PM  Hi Diane - yep, I was aware of your schedule. When I wrote that post early last week, I knew I wouldn't be hearing from you until the weekend - which is totally fine by me. As far as the exact nature of the symptoms that niacinamide has caused - well, it's hard to describe in greater detail than I already have - unfortunately, I don't have the vocabulary or the descriptive abilities that I used to. But no - I don't have hot flushes, turning red, spells, or profuse sweating. Oh, I take that back - I do have little " episodes " where - if I'm in the middle of some task (esp. if I'm feeling a bit stressed by the chore), and/or I move around too much - I will get a disoriented, dizzy, " head spinning " feeling. But this might exist independent of the niacinamide situation - so I'm not sure if this is connected specifically to the niacinamide detox reaction. Other symptoms I noticed: -a stimulated, tingly, sort-of " burning " sensation in my arms (perhaps the feeling is related to the nerves somehow being affected) -a sped-up heart rate, heart beating harder and/or faster (comes and goes - it's not a very persistent symptom) -a very spacey, foggy feeling - even moreso than usual (you can argue that I've been in a spaced-out fog for most of my life - especially from about 1993 onward). Remember when you recently wrote something about " presence " - about, when your body is in a certain healthy, strong, " zone " - your body-language reflects it and your " aura " commands the respect of people? Well, I think I noticed having even less of this " presence " than usual - it's as though when I went out in public and had to interact with the world, I had a spaced-out, childish quality to my aura. Certain people responded to this in unpleasant and/or patronizing ways. Put brutally, I worried that I looked like a dumb, childish person. -maybe feeling even more withdrawn, more nonverbal, even more difficulty verbalizing my thoughts -more anxiety -more jittery - as you put it, the feeling of needing to move around. Just more agitated. -insomnia - feeling too " wired " to sleep -with each dose, as the dosing episodes started to add up - I think I noticed a certain physical sensation in my brain that's hard to describe. It was as though (and I don't think I'm being melodramatic) something were actually leaking and injuring the brain cells. That sounds horrible to think about - but I did feel a slight " afterburn " feeling in my brain. I'm probably not describing this well at all. So that's my attempt to go into more detail about what, exactly, I was feeling. I may not have succeeded - I think I only ended up repeating myself in some places. Like I may have said, some of the reaction may have been due to increased systemic acidity due to the different brand of vitamin C I was trying out around the same time. From what I was able to gather, this vitamin C turned out to be way more acidic than I thought it would be. (Acidity has often made me foggy, etc..) For some reason, my body reacts poorly to acidic vitamin C and other to acidic supplements. But I fear that my reaction could have also been due to mercury toxicity - whether directly or indirectly. Maybe whatever is " detoxing " includes mercury? And when I say " detox " - I guess what I'm really talking about is just moving the mercury around in the cells, which can cause very uncomfortable symptoms. Mercury doesn't " detox " (clear the body) very well unless you adopt a specific protocol - but certain things or certain conditions can move it around the brain/body, causing more harm. I could expound on this angle more - why I think it could be mercury toxicity - but this post has gotten too long so I'll spare it. But I hope that this isn't what is happening - the mercury issue just complicates things greatly - I'm not prepared to deal with that! But I have been taking manganese over these past few months. Due to my low tolerability of supplements - I haven't been taking it every day, though - which is good, I guess. At this point, I'm lucky to fit it in 2 times per week - which fits well with the cautious approach. I had a hair-mineral-analysis done in late-2009, and I tested below the normal range in this nutrient. So I may " need " it - but I guess I still need to tread carefully, especially if I'm mercury toxic. I've tried pantethine recently - and at first I thought I responded o.k. to this supplement (at least the Now Foods brand). But after taking it for awhile (or maybe it was because I had switched to the Source Naturals brand, not sure) - I noticed it having an energy-draining effect....almost as soon as I took the supplement, I noticed feeling more tired and wiped-out. Then I suspected that it was interfering with my production of hemoglobin. I started feeling like I was slipping back into anemia, and decided to get a blood test done. Sure enough, the test showed that I had low hemoglobin and low hematocrit levels - although my actual iron levels looked o.k.. (But over the past few days, I've been reminded of the possibility that my low hemoglobin levels may actually be related to a copper deficiency - so maybe pantethine is exonerated?) I will try to email you for that manganese information... Oh, and I wonder if gelatin powder would achieve some of the same effects as glutamine? Glutamine is supposed to be one of the amino-acid constituents of gelatin (along with glycine and other aminos) - although the percentage of glutamine in gelatin may not be very high. I recently bought some gelatin powder because I had heard that it aids in gut-healing and it promotes digestion. Oh, and as far as how often I notice this " immediate " reaction to supplements - I will say that the vast majority of supplements cause this very quick response. It's not only a select few, or certain ones - it's the vast majority. Thanks Diane! ~Svetaswan > > > > > > From: KathyB <calicocat477@> > > Subject: Supplements > > > > Date: Saturday, June 11, 2011, 6:42 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > I tried some cod liver oil must be low in D, it's helping lesson the > > nerve pain. . I read Amy Yasko, refers to healing nerves. Have any > > tried GABA? > > I react to D3 for some reason. > > > > She believes > > glutamate is the bullet & calcium the gun. We can get ammonia from > > too much meat. Have to balance w more veggies. Calcium can excite the > > nerves. Anybody read Blaylock's peice on it? > > http://www.whale.to/a/sudden_cardiac_death.html > > > > I know many take calcium, but it causes more pain for me. I was taking the wrong kind though. She believes to keep your calcium > > levels in the low range of normal. It's hard w what emf's do to it. But maybe being low in cal caused my E Sens? > > > > Kathy > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Thanks for this site, Sveta!  It is odd, but my body loved NAC (n-acetyl cysteine) back when I was first taking molybdenum and dealing with sulphites. So strange--I was almost the reverse of what this person was saying. Possibly my bad liver had to do with that???  Diane From: svetaswan <svetaswan@...> Subject: Re: Supplements Date: Friday, June 24, 2011, 11:53 PM  Hi again Diane - that's interesting how you describe your experiences with molybdenum supplementation. I've taken a molybdenum capsule several times over the past few months (I heard that it's good for helping to detox acetaldehyde) - and so far, so good. As you are aware by now, many/most supplements seem to give me a virtually-immediate reaction (whether positive or negative) - and so far, I've noticed a positive reaction to molybd. It seems to have a head-clearing effect. Although I strive to take it every day, I fall short of that goal - so there are sometimes when I take it after having not taken it for several days. So far, I've never noticed that negative type of " detox " reaction that you describe. And I suspect that I am (unfortunately) mercury toxic - so it's interesting that I have tolerated this supplement well so far. I've shown some indications of being high in plasma cysteine and reacting poorly to " sulphury " things. Actually, this page explains how molybdenum would be good for high-cysteine mercury toxic people (about halfway down the page): http://livingnetwork.co.za/chelationnetwork/food/high-sulfur-sulphur-food-list/ ~Svetaswan > > > > > > Hi, Kathy, > > >  > > > Sorry to hear of your dilemma. GABA won't help if you have tight junction permeability or blood-brain barrier leaking.  GABA is what some doctors actually use to see if you have BBB leaking. If you do have it, you get very agitated instead of the calm, mellowed out feeling you are supposed to have with GABA. [sometimes, tho, you first get the calm mellow feeling and then after another dose get the bad agitated, angry feelings.] This is perhaps a good way, however, to assess whether a leaky BBB and tight junctions have anything to do with your ES! You would have good evidence if you took the GABA after being badly emf-ed. > > >  > > > Have you tried D3 from an all natural source? Carlson's Labs has a D3 made from Fish oils. It is pretty pricey, but you only take it every other day and so it lasts a long time. > > >  > > > B12 is something which might help you. Get a sublingual pill, which bypasses the gut, and the best quality you can find. I use methylcobalamin. There are different types. B12 helps the nervous system. > > >  > > > Possibly a hydrogen supplement would help. > > >  > > > You mentioned not doing well on calcium, and I didn't either until I took calcium AEP. I personally always take it with pantethine. Emfs can cause calcium efflux from where it should be in the brain. Calcium AEP is the type calcium the brain uses. Again, this would pertain to you only if you know your BBB is leaking, and not necessarily pertain, if it is not. > > >  > > > If you have a good doctor who you can go to, also, a calcium channel blocker might be helpful, if you know for sure you are having calcium efflux. I take the natural calcium channel blockers manganese and taurine once in a while (I do not consider these safe for me to take on a daily basis, but then, I have no need for doing that anyway, since I am now rarely having ES symptoms).  [if you need to try these, however, do ask me for more info, because manganese can act as a toxic metal. I am only here on weekends, tho, so expect to wait a few days before hearing from me. (Sorry!)] The way this works, from my understanding, if you have calcium efflux is: the tight junction is opened by emfs, then this allows calcium migration to occur. The tight junction cannot sometimes close properly, so sometimes the efflux doesn't stop till a calcium > > channel blocker is taken.  If you take a calcium channel > > blocker, it will block the calcium from > > > leaking, often, in the first place. (At least that is how it is with the manganese and taurine.) However, know that many of us have conflicting medical needs for which calcium channel blockers are not a good therapy. (If it were that easy, we could all go running to our docs for calcium channel blockers.  ) You may share this with your doctor and if she is a very good doc, she will check it out herself and may have even better ideas. > > >  > > > As to shielding..... There are a number of good options for windows: aluminum or steel screens for windows (I forget the size mesh, but it has to be small and you have to cover the windows including the window frames); there are anti-emf window films; there are anti-emf fabrics which can be made into curtain panels (I velcro mine to a painted lath board on the wall at the ceiling--glue the lath board up; my drapes are also ceiling height); I also use huge plants--fan palms, other palms, large ficus, scheffalera(?sp?); and I have used a large screen made from 3 doors hinged together and covered on one side with heavy aluminum foil, which is movable and portable. Outside trees are even better shields, especially thick evergreens, but placement can be a challenge and it takes at least 3 years before they are large enough. [However, as a home owner, I would like getting as many trees in place > > to help with neighboring smart > > meters, as possible!] > > >  > > > On shielding with screen, fabric, foil.... It seems that if you double fabric or screen on itself, it will then negate shielding and allow emfs thru, so for edging and seams, you must make a 3 layer seam. Odd thicknesses block emfs, even thicknesses let emfs pass thru. Very hard to grasp, I know from experience. lol > > >  > > > Also, if there are aberrant, digital, or wireless frequencies inside your house, they will bounce off of some of these fixes and cause you problems from within. You can try heavy aluminum foil taped to the wall to see how it works temporarily until you get something better in place. Remember there might be also metal in the wall or nails in studding that could cause problems. > > >  > > > Hope some of this is helpful; it sounds like you truly need something fast, > > > Bless you, > > > Diane > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Candida goes UP when thyroid levels go DOWN. Logical to me would be supporting the thyroid....while working on the candida issues. Probiotics, by the way, are a natural wonder for replacing bad gut flora (candida) with good gut flora. For those who aren't familiar with Probiotics, google Mercola and Probiotics. Its great to see the trees, but one also has to see the forest as well. What I'm saying here: Is that the thyroid gland is extremely important to the entire body. An excellent book to read on this subject is written by Dr. Barry Durrant- Peatsfield, it is called: " Your Thyroid and HOw to Keep It Healthy " . (amazon.com) Lizzie From: evie15422@... Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 08:22:46 -0700 Subject: Re: Re: Supplements Hi again, Sveta, I am glad to hear you don't have symptoms of serotonin syndrome! It is likely your symptoms are detoxing symptoms of some kind (detox symptoms come only when you are taking supps--not always--this is how we know them from thyroid and other problems). Also, it is good that you do so well with molybdenum! That is a sign, too, that you do not have a back-log of detoxing due to detox phases in the liver being inoperational. [My difficulties with molybdenum stem from my liver being so badly damaged and dysfunctional in the past. I assume that many here also have very bad liver problems, but it appears you do not, which is great!] Not a problem with being melodramatic, regarding feeling like your brain is leaking or bleeding. I have had this symptom and I know what you are talking about. It is a scary and very weird feeling. lol When I have this symptom, I either take much less of the offending nutrient, or I quit it. I figure whatever is going on is not likely a good thing. (Not that it couldn't be; but no sense in taking chances.) I have had some very odd situations with supps--like you, sometimes even the brand I am taking makes a huge difference for the better or worse. What I find most often is my body really doesn't like synthetic supps. If you are having all these symptoms solely from niacinamide, Sveta, I'd say to slowly withdraw it and see if you no longer get the symptoms. Maybe taking less will work or you will need to quit it totally. No sense in taking something which makes you feel that bad, especially since you sound like you have good liver detox function, otherwise. You can usually shop around and find other supps/ other forms of a nutrient which will work to perform whatever you are taking a particular supp for. There is no reason to feel this bad, usually. If it is detoxing really bad stuff, that is one thing. You can expect to feel crappy during detoxing (and candida detox can make you feel really crappy). Detoxing always also makes ES temporarily worse, too. But there are ways to do even this in a less traumatic way. You might try homeopathy for candida killing. For me, it was the easiest program. Again, take this slowly; make sure the homeopath knows you have a stressed immune system and ES and need to detox slowly. If you have had candida most of your life, that would be enough reason why you would have a history with brain fog. I wouldn't worry about the mercury if I were you. You have a problem which is monumental enough with candida. Choose your battles and fight them to the end. Candida is a big enough giant to slay right now. It sounds as tho you have had problems with it a long time. It is probably time to kick it to the curb. Mercury is something, which if you have it, it will still be there later. I am not being glib about mercury. It is a bad toxin, just know you have enough to keep you busy right now with candida. Do a good job with it and focus on it. No need to fight an army of invaders all at once. Manganese is not likely good for you right now. This is actually what I tell most people when they ask. People always ask me what I have done for this or that. What they don't understand is I didn't do it all in a day, week, month, or year.... It took me a decade (even longer in some situations). I did make mistakes along the way, plus I had over a dozen big health problems to overcome, so that is why it took a decade! However, none of you here can do what I have done exactly; you cannot take a supp which I took in phase 10 and take it in phase 2 of your recovery plan and make it work like I did in phase 10. It just doesn't work that way, and I am always trying to tell people you have to work on things in a specific order. Manganese is a phase 10 supp. It was something I took after I got all my other many problems worked out sufficiently. Yes, it might work for you in helping keeping tight junctions closed (or not), but it is not necessarily going to work for you now. And it only does work when you are taking a good amount of calcium and pantethine to keep the membranes working properly. So, you actually have to do what I mentioned to Kathy in the email about slowly adding calcium AEP and pantethine together, first. Elysia asked me recently (and I replied in a private mail to her) about the amounts of manganese and taurine, calcium AEP and pantethine which I took/ take. Well that isn't going to help anyone here. What I need and what you need are 2 different things. Treating tjs would necessitate different supplementation by everybody, dependent solely on the amount of damage to tjs you have. I only tell people what I did to encourage them that there are things which will work. (What I did or take may not help you; but likely there are other things which will help you.) But you are not a carbon copy of anyone else here. So, things will always be different for you. It is much more likely you need to do things in a particular order which is similar to what I did. But the specifics are solely your specifics. Barring liver and lymphatic problems or gluten/ dairy problems, candida is a great place to start. Like I mentioned yesterday to Elysia, make a flowchart of your problems, this will help you figure out in which order you need to do things. I personally only take pantethine to facilitate the calcium AEP. I was told by my nutritionist to take them together and I always do. I wouldn't think it would have a connection with the anemia, but it possibly could. Anemia had much more to do with the monthlies and gut damage from dairy and gluten, which kept iron from getting to where it needed to go, in my personal experience. You might want to put your candida on hold only to work on going dairy and gluten-free, if you think those might be your problems. You can look at it as an experiment--hit this hard for at least 6 to 9 months to be sure you have given your intestines time to heal. Go overboard with the project--eat no processed foods; only veggies, meat, potatoes, rice....--all fresh foods. Be careful of contamination from the glutens in the diets of others in your family. That way you know you did your best. If this leads to nothing in that amount of time you can rest assured gluten and dairy are not your problems. If it makes a huge difference, you will not mind sticking with the program. Btw, dairy intolerance almost always follows gluten intolerance, but when you get your gut healed, you usually can slowly add most or all dairy back. You could also go df and gf and do a candida diet at the same time, but that could be stressful to try to do the entire thing at once. If you do this, figure your homework on paper. Decide the best food choices for you based on what you are most likely to stick with. You might find it isn't that much trouble to do them simultaneously, if you like alot of low glycemic foods which don't feed candida. Expect the first month to 6 weeks to be hell on either the candida or gf/ df diets. After that you will breeze thru. (I only wrote about the gf/ df issue because you brought it up as something you thought might be a problem area.) Actually, the gf/ df diet might not be that bad to start for you, but I personally did have a rough first 6 weeks. I was basically, tho, going from nearly completely bed-bound to having to prepare all my meals from scratch. Yes, plain gelatin can be used. I did use gelatin too. I also used papaya enzymes to help heal my intestines. (American Health Original Papaya Enzymes.) Sorry this is long. I know you write alot too, so I sometimes go overboard with your mails. Bless you, Diane From: svetaswan <svetaswan@...> Subject: Re: Supplements Date: Friday, June 24, 2011, 11:18 PM Hi Diane - yep, I was aware of your schedule. When I wrote that post early last week, I knew I wouldn't be hearing from you until the weekend - which is totally fine by me. As far as the exact nature of the symptoms that niacinamide has caused - well, it's hard to describe in greater detail than I already have - unfortunately, I don't have the vocabulary or the descriptive abilities that I used to. But no - I don't have hot flushes, turning red, spells, or profuse sweating. Oh, I take that back - I do have little " episodes " where - if I'm in the middle of some task (esp. if I'm feeling a bit stressed by the chore), and/or I move around too much - I will get a disoriented, dizzy, " head spinning " feeling. But this might exist independent of the niacinamide situation - so I'm not sure if this is connected specifically to the niacinamide detox reaction. Other symptoms I noticed: -a stimulated, tingly, sort-of " burning " sensation in my arms (perhaps the feeling is related to the nerves somehow being affected) -a sped-up heart rate, heart beating harder and/or faster (comes and goes - it's not a very persistent symptom) -a very spacey, foggy feeling - even moreso than usual (you can argue that I've been in a spaced-out fog for most of my life - especially from about 1993 onward). Remember when you recently wrote something about " presence " - about, when your body is in a certain healthy, strong, " zone " - your body-language reflects it and your " aura " commands the respect of people? Well, I think I noticed having even less of this " presence " than usual - it's as though when I went out in public and had to interact with the world, I had a spaced-out, childish quality to my aura. Certain people responded to this in unpleasant and/or patronizing ways. Put brutally, I worried that I looked like a dumb, childish person. -maybe feeling even more withdrawn, more nonverbal, even more difficulty verbalizing my thoughts -more anxiety -more jittery - as you put it, the feeling of needing to move around. Just more agitated. -insomnia - feeling too " wired " to sleep -with each dose, as the dosing episodes started to add up - I think I noticed a certain physical sensation in my brain that's hard to describe. It was as though (and I don't think I'm being melodramatic) something were actually leaking and injuring the brain cells. That sounds horrible to think about - but I did feel a slight " afterburn " feeling in my brain. I'm probably not describing this well at all. So that's my attempt to go into more detail about what, exactly, I was feeling. I may not have succeeded - I think I only ended up repeating myself in some places. Like I may have said, some of the reaction may have been due to increased systemic acidity due to the different brand of vitamin C I was trying out around the same time. From what I was able to gather, this vitamin C turned out to be way more acidic than I thought it would be. (Acidity has often made me foggy, etc..) For some reason, my body reacts poorly to acidic vitamin C and other to acidic supplements. But I fear that my reaction could have also been due to mercury toxicity - whether directly or indirectly. Maybe whatever is " detoxing " includes mercury? And when I say " detox " - I guess what I'm really talking about is just moving the mercury around in the cells, which can cause very uncomfortable symptoms. Mercury doesn't " detox " (clear the body) very well unless you adopt a specific protocol - but certain things or certain conditions can move it around the brain/body, causing more harm. I could expound on this angle more - why I think it could be mercury toxicity - but this post has gotten too long so I'll spare it. But I hope that this isn't what is happening - the mercury issue just complicates things greatly - I'm not prepared to deal with that! But I have been taking manganese over these past few months. Due to my low tolerability of supplements - I haven't been taking it every day, though - which is good, I guess. At this point, I'm lucky to fit it in 2 times per week - which fits well with the cautious approach. I had a hair-mineral-analysis done in late-2009, and I tested below the normal range in this nutrient. So I may " need " it - but I guess I still need to tread carefully, especially if I'm mercury toxic. I've tried pantethine recently - and at first I thought I responded o.k. to this supplement (at least the Now Foods brand). But after taking it for awhile (or maybe it was because I had switched to the Source Naturals brand, not sure) - I noticed it having an energy-draining effect....almost as soon as I took the supplement, I noticed feeling more tired and wiped-out. Then I suspected that it was interfering with my production of hemoglobin. I started feeling like I was slipping back into anemia, and decided to get a blood test done. Sure enough, the test showed that I had low hemoglobin and low hematocrit levels - although my actual iron levels looked o.k.. (But over the past few days, I've been reminded of the possibility that my low hemoglobin levels may actually be related to a copper deficiency - so maybe pantethine is exonerated?) I will try to email you for that manganese information... Oh, and I wonder if gelatin powder would achieve some of the same effects as glutamine? Glutamine is supposed to be one of the amino-acid constituents of gelatin (along with glycine and other aminos) - although the percentage of glutamine in gelatin may not be very high. I recently bought some gelatin powder because I had heard that it aids in gut-healing and it promotes digestion. Oh, and as far as how often I notice this " immediate " reaction to supplements - I will say that the vast majority of supplements cause this very quick response. It's not only a select few, or certain ones - it's the vast majority. Thanks Diane! ~Svetaswan > > > > > > From: KathyB <calicocat477@> > > Subject: Supplements > > > > Date: Saturday, June 11, 2011, 6:42 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > I tried some cod liver oil must be low in D, it's helping lesson the > > nerve pain. . I read Amy Yasko, refers to healing nerves. Have any > > tried GABA? > > I react to D3 for some reason. > > > > She believes > > glutamate is the bullet & calcium the gun. We can get ammonia from > > too much meat. Have to balance w more veggies. Calcium can excite the > > nerves. Anybody read Blaylock's peice on it? > > http://www.whale.to/a/sudden_cardiac_death.html > > > > I know many take calcium, but it causes more pain for me. I was taking the wrong kind though. She believes to keep your calcium > > levels in the low range of normal. It's hard w what emf's do to it. But maybe being low in cal caused my E Sens? > > > > Kathy > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 Hi Lizzie - oh, by all means " jump in " . I do have Dr. Peatfield's book. I haven't picked it up in awhile, but I bought it about 4 years ago when I was more heavily concentrating on my thyroid as being a possible problem. Although what I'm dealing with has often seemed suspiciously like a thyroid problem - I have ended up pursuing different (but possibly related) paths - one of the bigger reasons being all of the logistical " headaches " involved with alternative thyroid treatment. I've heard of the hoops that suffering patients (bless their hearts) have to jump through to - a.) get a doctor to recognize their thyroid problem, and b.) procure the " right " replacement therapy - i.e. Armour. I've been around the " Stop the Thyroid Madness " messageboards and their related health groups a bit - one of the last times I visited those communities, people were in a mass panic because of the market shortage of Armour. Things seemed fairly bleak. Not an encouraging situation - that was something I just didn't want to get mixed up in. Honestly, focusing on the " trees " instead of the " forest " (if it exists) would be less of a hassle. I won't even get into the $$$$ it would take for an " official " diagnosis and properly-supervised treatment. I have no money to pad alternative doctors' pockets with. Sometimes, other things can mimic a thyroid problem. IIRC, adrenal problems alone can cause a functional thyroid deficiency - even if your thyroid is technically working correctly. So can low progesterone (actually, low progesterone can be due to adrenal insufficiency). I have flirted with taking progesterone cream - but so far, I've chickened out. You just have to be very careful with hormones! And there have been lab indicators that I don't have thyroid/adrenal problems. Supposedly, adrenal fatigue can cause hypoglycemia/low glucose - well, my fasting glucose on lab tests look fine. And my lab tests (hair mineral tests, blood tests) haven't shown the mineral ratios that typify adrenal fatigue. Now it could be that thyroid/adrenal problems are indeed there - but there hasn't enough indisputable evidence that would make me realize once and for all that pursuing treatment would be worth the hassle. ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > From: KathyB <calicocat477@> > > > Subject: Supplements > > > > > > Date: Saturday, June 11, 2011, 6:42 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tried some cod liver oil must be low in D, it's helping lesson the > > > nerve pain. . I read Amy Yasko, refers to healing nerves. Have any > > > tried GABA? > > > I react to D3 for some reason. > > > > > > She believes > > > glutamate is the bullet & calcium the gun. We can get ammonia from > > > too much meat. Have to balance w more veggies. Calcium can excite the > > > nerves. Anybody read Blaylock's peice on it? > > > http://www.whale.to/a/sudden_cardiac_death.html > > > > > > I know many take calcium, but it causes more pain for me. I was taking the wrong kind though. She believes to keep your calcium > > > levels in the low range of normal. It's hard w what emf's do to it. But maybe being low in cal caused my E Sens? > > > > > > Kathy > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 Hi, Yea, I know what you mean. The hoops, the panic the armour...yes, familiar with all of that. Trying to find a doctor who uses armour, yup, that can be challenging...All of what you say is true. That being said, those of us who react to emf's? Will more times then not, have low thryoid/adrenals. How low depends upon each persons individual health history. But here's the thing: the thyroid and the adrenals ARE the immune system. So any toxic exposure be it chemicals, or wireless or bad electricity WILL effect these glands. Here's where I'm at with this. First, blood tests often do not show the true thyroid/adrenal pictures. What DOES show the true picture (in my opinion) are the following: dark circles under eyes (adrenals), over weight (thyroid), under weight (adrenals), puffy under eyes (thryoid), eyebrows thin, or missing (thryoid), aches/pains, arthritis like symtpoms (adrenals) allergies (adrenals), wrist pain *often mistaken for carpal tunnel (thryoid), brain fog (thyroid), thinning/lifeless hair (thyroid), bad dreams, weird dreams (thyroid), fatigue (adrenals) weak body strenght (adrenals), can't take the heat, wilt in summer heat? (thyroid), always cold in the winter? (thryoid), walk out the door, can't remember if you turned something off, parked your car, where the hell is it? (thryoid), no patience, (adrenals), inability to focus, learn new things (thyroid), stomach problems/digestive issues , the list of what you cannot EAT is longer then the list of what you can eat (both thryoid and adrenals), long/heavy/irregular periods (thyroid). wake up, need food now! (adrenals). If a cold even looks at you, you're sick (adrenals), wake up feeling like you were run over by a mack truck (both thyroid and adrenals), pale skin color, (adrenals), vision problems/ sensitivity to light, bright sun (thryoid), night blindness, driving in the dark in the rain, a nightmare (thryoid), water retention (adrenals),puffy swollen ankes (adrenals),high blood presssure (thryoid) low blood pressure (adrenals), get dizzy if you stand up too fast (adrenals), exercise even a few minutes of it makes you MORE tired (adrenals), clumsy, tripping over own feet (thyroid).,heart mur mur, arthrimia (thyroid), swollen fingers (adrenals), this by the way is just a partial list. You see how these symptoms over lap? It's because the thyroid and adrenal glands work together! If one goes low enough, the other jumps in to help. If their cries for help go un answered, they BOTH go down. These are things that we can see, without a blood test. Low blood sugar (adrenals). **In my opinion, there is no mimicking. These two glands are like the gas and the engine in a car. No gas? No go. Engine not working right? Ya got problems. The question IS: what is causing these two glands to go out of balance? The above are the symptoms, and yes, they do need to be treated....and can be treated and supported with natural remedies. No magic answer here, our environment is loaded with toxins, so there there won't be just one reason or one cause. But often, there will be something that breaks the camels back....that tips the system over. I found that severely reducing exposures to wireless and bad electrical fields helped hugely. My theory is this: everyone has heavy metals, there is so much mercury in the air, even with no vaccines or silver fillings, there is still a huge environmental exposure to mercury. Two groups. ONe who recognizes what is really happening in their body, the other who is complete denial. Both suffer. Its not a matter of " oh, its just the heavy metals? " To believe that, you have to naively believe that over half the population doesn't HAVE heavy metals? Do the math...it just doesn't add up. That would mean: over half the population: doesn't eat fish loaded with mercury, over half the population doesn't have or never had silver mercury fillings, over half the population doesn't BREATHE THE AIR, over half the population has never sat in a fast food restaurent, where even if they DIDN " T order and eat the seafood, THEY WERE STILL BREATHING THE METHLMERCURY FUMES! Add in flu shots, mothers who recieved the rogam shots for negative blood, those who wore/wear contact lense, the cleaning solution contained MERCURY up until just recently...the list of ways we are exposed to mercury is endless. Same goes for aluminum, (think SOY...soy has an affinity for leaching aluminum from the soil...just about all processed foods contain soy!) Cadmium, foolishly explained away as only from smoking, Really? Did you know that Cadmium can be found: in the recycled rubber used to line the outdoor playgrounds floors, (many school yards use this thinking they are making the playground safer in case of falls, never realizing those recycled rubber chips are LOADED WITH CADMIUM, ceramic dishes, just think about how common it is, for people to NUKE their cup of coffee, or tea in the microwave, in a ceramic cup with the paint that is LOADED WITH CADMIUM!!! The above are just the tip of the iceberg. *(Oh yea, some of you might remember eating those tasty pistacios painted bright pink?? Remember how they stained your fingers? Loaded with Mercury! ) Mercurochrome...used for Boo Boo's....stained the boo boo bright PINK! Yup, lots of mercury!! Toothpaste, commercial, loaded with Aluminum.... The chances of finding a segment of the population WITHOUT some kind of heavy metal issues/ exposures " past/ or current " is, well, step out of the box and do the math for yourself. Add in petro chemicals, phlatates, pvc's, gmo's, pesticides, fluorides, aspartame, mother's with silver fillings who pass their mercury load to their offspring, father's with mercury who's sperm also CONTAIN mercury and other heavy metals....BOTTOM LINE? When the body's garbage bin gets over loaded, and it can no longer detox naturally? Factor in that emf's not only multiply heavy metals, candida, but also create a mechanism whereby the cells can no longer release the toxins....IS IT ANY WONDER THE TWO MAN IMMUNE GLANDS GET KNOCKED OUT OF WHACK? I'm not by any means stating that the problem is ONLY those two glands. What i am trying to say is that its really really important TO SUPPORT these two glands...because the role the thryoid and adrenal glands play in health IS THAT IMPORTANT. Blessings, Lizzie From: svetaswan@... Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 09:07:24 +0000 Subject: Re: Supplements Hi Lizzie - oh, by all means " jump in " . I do have Dr. Peatfield's book. I haven't picked it up in awhile, but I bought it about 4 years ago when I was more heavily concentrating on my thyroid as being a possible problem. Although what I'm dealing with has often seemed suspiciously like a thyroid problem - I have ended up pursuing different (but possibly related) paths - one of the bigger reasons being all of the logistical " headaches " involved with alternative thyroid treatment. I've heard of the hoops that suffering patients (bless their hearts) have to jump through to - a.) get a doctor to recognize their thyroid problem, and b.) procure the " right " replacement therapy - i.e. Armour. I've been around the " Stop the Thyroid Madness " messageboards and their related health groups a bit - one of the last times I visited those communities, people were in a mass panic because of the market shortage of Armour. Things seemed fairly bleak. Not an encouraging situation - that was something I just didn't want to get mixed up in. Honestly, focusing on the " trees " instead of the " forest " (if it exists) would be less of a hassle. I won't even get into the $$$$ it would take for an " official " diagnosis and properly-supervised treatment. I have no money to pad alternative doctors' pockets with. Sometimes, other things can mimic a thyroid problem. IIRC, adrenal problems alone can cause a functional thyroid deficiency - even if your thyroid is technically working correctly. So can low progesterone (actually, low progesterone can be due to adrenal insufficiency). I have flirted with taking progesterone cream - but so far, I've chickened out. You just have to be very careful with hormones! And there have been lab indicators that I don't have thyroid/adrenal problems. Supposedly, adrenal fatigue can cause hypoglycemia/low glucose - well, my fasting glucose on lab tests look fine. And my lab tests (hair mineral tests, blood tests) haven't shown the mineral ratios that typify adrenal fatigue. Now it could be that thyroid/adrenal problems are indeed there - but there hasn't enough indisputable evidence that would make me realize once and for all that pursuing treatment would be worth the hassle. ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > From: KathyB <calicocat477@> > > > Subject: Supplements > > > > > > Date: Saturday, June 11, 2011, 6:42 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tried some cod liver oil must be low in D, it's helping lesson the > > > nerve pain. . I read Amy Yasko, refers to healing nerves. Have any > > > tried GABA? > > > I react to D3 for some reason. > > > > > > She believes > > > glutamate is the bullet & calcium the gun. We can get ammonia from > > > too much meat. Have to balance w more veggies. Calcium can excite the > > > nerves. Anybody read Blaylock's peice on it? > > > http://www.whale.to/a/sudden_cardiac_death.html > > > > > > I know many take calcium, but it causes more pain for me. I was taking the wrong kind though. She believes to keep your calcium > > > levels in the low range of normal. It's hard w what emf's do to it. But maybe being low in cal caused my E Sens? > > > > > > Kathy > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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