Re: Please help, desperate situation!

[Guest guest]

Go slow with the chelation! 25-50mg a day and 3x a week. Don't do the

50mg every 4 hours until you are way out of the woods.

I recommend healing the gut first with probiotics (Raw Organic

colostrum goat or cow is great for getting your immune/gut system back)

and gently cleansing the liver and kidneys before flooding the body

with mercury and tens of other chemicals floating around.

The body is in overwhelm. Don't send it more into overwhelm.

Get your body functioning well before doing an aggressive chelation.

1) Colon flush

2) Gut rebuild

3) Liver/Kidney nurturing foods and supplements

4) Use Colloidal Silver to kill of viral load while you chelate (you

will be pulling candida, Herpes, EBV and many other bacteria/virus out

into the open).

Get tested by a nutritionist/herbalist/ kinesiologist to get as well as

you can.

All my best to you!

On Oct 11, 2008, at 3:43 AM, Joni wrote:

> Hello, I am 33 yo male and have a really bad problem with EMFs. It got

> really bad after I bought a new pc last spring. At the moment I cant:

>

> -use pc more than 5 mins

> -listen to music :'(

> -listen to radio

> -watch tv, dvds, movies

> -use cell phones

>

> I get really bad skin symptoms from these, prickling, tingling,

> stinging, burning etc + headache etc

>

> I just got my 5 amalgam fillings out of my mouth with safe protocol

> and am taking a lot of minerals and vitamins. I will try

> Cutler's mercury chelation protocol with dmsa soon.

>

> Any tips what else I might try? I would love to search for answers

> here on this forum but I simply cant!

>

> Thanks a lot for any suggestions!!

>

> Joni

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the group, Joni.

When I was in as bad of shape as you are now, I got relief

from the following:

Quantum Power Conditioners (makes EMF more tolerable)

http://quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_power.html

H-Minus (reduces free radical damage from EMF):

http://www.e3live.com/all_products/h_minus.html

NDF (heavy metal removal):

http://www.bioraynaturaldetox.com/products.cfm

Cellfood (oxygenation, minerals, enzymes, energy):

http://www.luminahealth.com/

Sea Aloe (minerals, improved resistance to EMFs)

http://www.seaaloe.com/

Agrisept-L (anti-fungal, anti-parasitic)

http://www.aragonproducts.com/theproducts.cfm?master=6521

Primal Defense (probiotic, helped EMF symptoms):

http://www.gardenoflife.com/ProductsforLife/SUPPLEMENTS/DigestiveHealth/PrimalDe\

fense/tabid/638/Default.aspx

Perhaps one or more of these things would also be

helpful for you? Just be careful when starting

anything new -- you can sometimes have a strong

reaction to something that is really helpful,

and you may need to start at tiny doses and

ramp your way up to a more normal dose.

Marc

[Guest guest]

I have heard that a gentle way to detox is with clay baths. You can

adjust both the amount of clay used and the time you spend in the

bath so you don't detox to fast. You can also do a clay foot bath. I

did one with 1/2 of clay and kept my feet in for about 40 minutes.

Way to long!! I was weak and fatigued afterwards, but I am also doing

other things (to kill cancer cells) so I should have used less clay

and maybe started with 10 or 15 minutes. Fairly inexpensive compared

to some things.

I also recently found this website:

http://www.optimumorganics.us/Fulvic.htm

which has a product called Fulvic Acid and it has ionic trace

minerals and can detox heavy metals. I just ordered a bottle and will

take it real slow. Has anyone else on this forum used Fulvic Acid??

Kathy

>

> Hello, I am 33 yo male and have a really bad problem with EMFs. It

got

> really bad after I bought a new pc last spring. At the moment I

cant:

>

> -use pc more than 5 mins

> -listen to music :'(

> -listen to radio

> -watch tv, dvds, movies

> -use cell phones

>

> I get really bad skin symptoms from these, prickling, tingling,

> stinging, burning etc + headache etc

>

> I just got my 5 amalgam fillings out of my mouth with safe protocol

> and am taking a lot of minerals and vitamins. I will try

> Cutler's mercury chelation protocol with dmsa soon.

>

> Any tips what else I might try? I would love to search for answers

> here on this forum but I simply cant!

>

> Thanks a lot for any suggestions!!

>

> Joni

>

[Guest guest]

Don't ignore the phychology, work on stress response, phantom residual

artifacts of your former physiological trauma and so on and of course

relaxation

techniques.

PUK

In a message dated 10/11/2008 9:28:30 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,

aquilawolf@... writes:

> Any tips what else I might try? I would love to search for answers

> here on this forum but I simply cant!

>

> Thanks a lot for any suggestions!

>

**************

[Guest guest]

has any one had any luck using eft, hypnosis etc

From: paulpjc@... <paulpjc@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Please help, desperate situation!

Date: Monday, 13 October, 2008, 7:49 PM

Don't ignore the phychology, work on stress response, phantom residual

artifacts of your former physiological trauma and so on and of course

relaxation

techniques.

PUK

In a message dated 10/11/2008 9:28:30 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,

aquilawolfjuno (DOT) com writes:

> Any tips what else I might try? I would love to search for answers

> here on this forum but I simply cant!

>

> Thanks a lot for any suggestions!

>

************ **

[Guest guest]

Marc,

With all respect to you, I can believe you're much better then before, and you

took or used all that stuff,

but allot of it is useless and those scams costs allot of money,

while people trying them, they're wasting also time before having a meaningful

treatment.

The quantum products are a pure scam, read their Quantum byte software

explanation

http://quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_byte.html

( if you know something of computers then you'll know they are lying and

cheating )

If in doubt, ask your local PC guru or geek to read that stuff and he will be

ROFLOL.

Don't waste your money on such a scumbags.

And you also need no expert professors to see that Hminus is also a big scam.

Just ask your local pharmacist to read the ingredients, he to will be ROFLOL.

http://www.e3live.com/all_products/h_minus.html?nav=ingredients & SID=daec0282d3a7\

a3c34567c7da54b51d2d

Main Ingredients for H-Minus™ MegaHydrate™ Microcluster™ (600 mg)

Silica Hydride Powder Proprietary Blend: Potassium Citrate, Silica,

Potassium Carbonate, Oleic Acid,

Hydrogen Negative Ions .

You can not add " hydrogen negative ions " to a blend of powdered other chemicals;

there is even NO such a thing like " negative H ions " ; and the other crap has no

anti-oxidant properties.

[ Note, I'm a chemist ! ]

The Bioray guy's are ancient well known quacks:

http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/News/rife.html

http://www.casewatch.org/fdawarning/prod/2001/bioray.shtml

And guess what : The legit looking website of Celfood distributor luminahealth

is also full off bullshit, let your pharmacist read this page,

http://www.luminahealth.com/products/cellfood.htm

and there he'll go again ROFLOL,

I to laughed my but off, so no need to waste your money there.

And I do not trust the Seafood crap also, is it really beneficial to swallow a

mix of 93 ingredients?

How are they interacting? How are they one by one all beneficial to you?

Do you need all the hundreds of properties those ingredients have? On the same

time?

Do you smell the ( rotten) fish?

Primal defense ... yet an other MLM scam, no science no proof,

although the ingredient list looks healthy, how much of those active ingredients

are in it,

and how really active are they?

It looks like MM had a preference for useless products and scams;

mind you if those overpriced concoctions are not beneficial ( as claimed) they

still hold the potency to harm you.

Please guy's don't keep fooling yourself with this crap, ( and un-intentionally

fooling newbies )

or should we change the name of this group from Esens to Nonsens ?

Grts

Bruno M.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

At 00:41 12/10/2008, " Marc " marc@... marcmartin2 wrote:

>Re: Please help, desperate situation!

>Posted by: " Marc " marc@... marcmartin2

>

>

>Welcome to the group, Joni.

>When I was in as bad of shape as you are now, I got relief

>from the following:

>Quantum Power Conditioners (makes EMF more tolerable)

>http://quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_power.html

>H-Minus (reduces free radical damage from EMF):

>http://www.e3live.com/all_products/h_minus.html

>NDF (heavy metal removal):

>http://www.bioraynaturaldetox.com/products.cfm

>Cellfood (oxygenation, minerals, enzymes, energy):

>http://www.luminahealth.com/

>Sea Aloe (minerals, improved resistance to EMFs)

>http://www.seaaloe.com/

>Agrisept-L (anti-fungal, anti-parasitic)

>http://www.aragonproducts.com/theproducts.cfm?master=6521

>Primal Defense (probiotic, helped EMF symptoms):

>http://www.gardenoflife.com/ProductsforLife/SUPPLEMENTS/DigestiveHealth/PrimalD\

efense/tabid/638/Default.apx

>Perhaps one or more of these things would also be

>helpful for you? Just be careful when starting

>anything new -- you can sometimes have a strong

>reaction to something that is really helpful,

>and you may need to start at tiny doses and

>ramp your way up to a more normal dose.

>Marc

[Guest guest]

> With all respect to you, I can believe you're much better then before,

Uhhh, like you, I started out being able to tolerate my computer for

about 5 minutes per day. Now I use it 9+ hours a day without problems.

I think you are too ready to dismiss things as scams when you have

no actual experience with the things you are dismissing. I find

that very non-scientific, and rather amusing that you believe that

you are being more scientific than I.

Marc

[Guest guest]

With all respect to Bruno for raising questions about this stuff,

and bringing in some science, I know, as a scientist, that scientists

are often wrong, even when ROFLOL...

QuantumByte software could be a scam and certainly doesn't work by

inducing superconductivity. But if people say it works, perhaps it does,

and maybe they don't want people to know how. I've noticed that my

symptoms get worse when the computer is doing more intensive tasks,

and obviously it would be possible to alter the OS so that the computer

just didn't do certain things, (e.g. swapping) or did things at a more

constant

pace (presumably at some hit to performance, which they man not want to

advertise).

There certainly is such thing a negative hydrogen ion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_anion

again it may have nothing to do with how or why the product may or may

not work.

I'm sure there are plenty of scams, and when someone has only tried

one or two products, the placebo effect can dominate. Marc has tried

a lot of stuff, and some of what he reports makes a lot of sense.

I avoid products that work by some mechanism that I can't understand,

but given that the majority of the scientific establishment is convinced

(based on a dozen or so poorly designed experiments) that my illness

is BS, I'm not one to disavow the experiences of others unless there

is much stronger evidence that the effects are psychological.

But please don't try to sell me a little pendant.

Bill

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 7:23 PM, Bruno M. <brunom1@...> wrote:

> Marc,

>

> With all respect to you, I can believe you're much better then before, and

> you took or used all that stuff,

> but allot of it is useless and those scams costs allot of money,

> while people trying them, they're wasting also time before having a

> meaningful treatment.

>

> The quantum products are a pure scam, read their Quantum byte software

> explanation

> http://quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_byte.html

> ( if you know something of computers then you'll know they are lying and

> cheating )

> If in doubt, ask your local PC guru or geek to read that stuff and he will

> be ROFLOL.

> Don't waste your money on such a scumbags.

>

> And you also need no expert professors to see that Hminus is also a big

> scam.

> Just ask your local pharmacist to read the ingredients, he to will be

> ROFLOL.

>

>

http://www.e3live.com/all_products/h_minus.html?nav=ingredients & SID=daec0282d3a7\

a3c34567c7da54b51d2d

> Main Ingredients for H-Minus™ MegaHydrate™ Microcluster™ (600 mg)

> Silica Hydride Powder Proprietary Blend: Potassium Citrate, Silica,

> Potassium Carbonate, Oleic Acid,

> Hydrogen Negative Ions .

>

> You can not add " hydrogen negative ions " to a blend of powdered other

> chemicals;

> there is even NO such a thing like " negative H ions " ; and the other crap

> has no anti-oxidant properties.

> [ Note, I'm a chemist ! ]

>

> The Bioray guy's are ancient well known quacks:

> http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/News/rife.html

> http://www.casewatch.org/fdawarning/prod/2001/bioray.shtml

>

> And guess what : The legit looking website of Celfood distributor

> luminahealth

> is also full off bullshit, let your pharmacist read this page,

> http://www.luminahealth.com/products/cellfood.htm

> and there he'll go again ROFLOL,

> I to laughed my but off, so no need to waste your money there.

>

> And I do not trust the Seafood crap also, is it really beneficial to

> swallow a mix of 93 ingredients?

> How are they interacting? How are they one by one all beneficial to you?

> Do you need all the hundreds of properties those ingredients have? On the

> same time?

> Do you smell the ( rotten) fish?

>

> Primal defense ... yet an other MLM scam, no science no proof,

> although the ingredient list looks healthy, how much of those active

> ingredients are in it,

> and how really active are they?

>

> It looks like MM had a preference for useless products and scams;

> mind you if those overpriced concoctions are not beneficial ( as claimed)

> they still hold the potency to harm you.

>

> Please guy's don't keep fooling yourself with this crap, ( and

> un-intentionally fooling newbies )

> or should we change the name of this group from Esens to Nonsens ?

>

> Grts

> Bruno M.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> At 00:41 12/10/2008, " Marc "

marc@...<marc%40ufoseries.com>marcmartin2 wrote:

> >Re: Please help, desperate situation!

> >Posted by: " Marc " marc@... <marc%40ufoseries.com>marcmartin2

> >

> >

> >Welcome to the group, Joni.

> >When I was in as bad of shape as you are now, I got relief

> >from the following:

> >Quantum Power Conditioners (makes EMF more tolerable)

> >http://quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_power.html

>

> >H-Minus (reduces free radical damage from EMF):

> >http://www.e3live.com/all_products/h_minus.html

>

> >NDF (heavy metal removal):

> >http://www.bioraynaturaldetox.com/products.cfm

>

> >Cellfood (oxygenation, minerals, enzymes, energy):

> >http://www.luminahealth.com/

>

> >Sea Aloe (minerals, improved resistance to EMFs)

> >http://www.seaaloe.com/

>

> >Agrisept-L (anti-fungal, anti-parasitic)

> >http://www.aragonproducts.com/theproducts.cfm?master=6521

>

> >Primal Defense (probiotic, helped EMF symptoms):

> >

>

http://www.gardenoflife.com/ProductsforLife/SUPPLEMENTS/DigestiveHealth/PrimalDe\

fense/tabid/638/Default.apx

> >Perhaps one or more of these things would also be

> >helpful for you? Just be careful when starting

> >anything new -- you can sometimes have a strong

> >reaction to something that is really helpful,

> >and you may need to start at tiny doses and

> >ramp your way up to a more normal dose.

> >Marc

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

No offense Bruno. But I've had a lot of experience with chemists.

Particularly those that just do basic lab stuff. Most chemists don't

know squat about physics. Just ask a physicist. EMF is guess what...

primarily about physics, not chemistry. Nothing against you but your

expertise in this arena is extremely limited.

You definitely have to be skeptical about anything you try or

ingest. But in the end you have to see what works for you.

Effectively treating ES is about scientific field work, not

controlled lab experiments, again an area where most chemists are

extremely lacking in experience. And of course if you don't believe

that Environmental Sensitives exist well then that's just another

bias. Kind of like Global Warming didn't/doesn't exist... isn't

proven... etc.. etc. We all know where that one has been and is going.

If you were a field biologist I might think a little differently.

Unfortunately we cannot afford labs where we can rule out, quantify

and/or test every variable. We have to go by observation and

unfortunately symptoms. I would call this " emerging science " . This is

where " field work " is still very critical.

Thanks, Alan

> >Re: Please help, desperate situation!

> >Posted by: " Marc " marc@... marcmartin2

> >

> >

> >Welcome to the group, Joni.

> >When I was in as bad of shape as you are now, I got relief

> >from the following:

> >Quantum Power Conditioners (makes EMF more tolerable)

> >http://quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_power.html

>

> >H-Minus (reduces free radical damage from EMF):

> >http://www.e3live.com/all_products/h_minus.html

>

> >NDF (heavy metal removal):

> >http://www.bioraynaturaldetox.com/products.cfm

>

> >Cellfood (oxygenation, minerals, enzymes, energy):

> >http://www.luminahealth.com/

>

> >Sea Aloe (minerals, improved resistance to EMFs)

> >http://www.seaaloe.com/

>

> >Agrisept-L (anti-fungal, anti-parasitic)

> >http://www.aragonproducts.com/theproducts.cfm?master=6521

>

> >Primal Defense (probiotic, helped EMF symptoms):

>

>http://www.gardenoflife.com/ProductsforLife/SUPPLEMENTS/DigestiveHealth/PrimalD\

efense/tabid/638/Default.apx

> >Perhaps one or more of these things would also be

> >helpful for you? Just be careful when starting

> >anything new -- you can sometimes have a strong

> >reaction to something that is really helpful,

> >and you may need to start at tiny doses and

> >ramp your way up to a more normal dose.

> >Marc

>

[Guest guest]

what type of clay do you use and where do you get it?

 

Bw

 

Steph

From: spiralwindintrees <aquilawolf@...>

Subject: Re: Please help, desperate situation!

Date: Saturday, 11 October, 2008, 8:28 PM

I have heard that a gentle way to detox is with clay baths. You can

adjust both the amount of clay used and the time you spend in the

bath so you don't detox to fast. You can also do a clay foot bath. I

did one with 1/2 of clay and kept my feet in for about 40 minutes.

Way to long!! I was weak and fatigued afterwards, but I am also doing

other things (to kill cancer cells) so I should have used less clay

and maybe started with 10 or 15 minutes. Fairly inexpensive compared

to some things.

I also recently found this website:

http://www.optimumo rganics.us/ Fulvic.htm

which has a product called Fulvic Acid and it has ionic trace

minerals and can detox heavy metals. I just ordered a bottle and will

take it real slow. Has anyone else on this forum used Fulvic Acid??

Kathy

>

> Hello, I am 33 yo male and have a really bad problem with EMFs. It

got

> really bad after I bought a new pc last spring. At the moment I

cant:

>

> -use pc more than 5 mins

> -listen to music :'(

> -listen to radio

> -watch tv, dvds, movies

> -use cell phones

>

> I get really bad skin symptoms from these, prickling, tingling,

> stinging, burning etc + headache etc

>

> I just got my 5 amalgam fillings out of my mouth with safe protocol

> and am taking a lot of minerals and vitamins. I will try

> Cutler's mercury chelation protocol with dmsa soon.

>

> Any tips what else I might try? I would love to search for answers

> here on this forum but I simply cant!

>

> Thanks a lot for any suggestions! !

>

> Joni

>