Re: US Government is phasing out incandescent light bulbs...

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From: pamela clemonts <adiaha22@...>

Subject: US Government is phasing out incandescent light bulbs...

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Date: Saturday, 23 April, 2011, 0:22

 

This evening on ABC News there was a report that the US government was

phasing out incandescent light bulbs.  It told of how a Sylvania plant in PA

was shifting over from incandescents to bulbs that look like old bulbs but

actually have mini halogen lamps inside of them. I don't know about you, but the

mini flourescents make me really sick (worse than the regular sized

flourescents) and I have a friend who doesn't get sick from cell phones, but

gets sick from halogen lamps. It's ghastly, what goes on... Whatever happened to

options? Here we have the government making all these decisions without input

from consumers or taxpayers. 

 

It's like they've already decided and we're maybe starting to catch a whiff of

the plan as it unfolds.  Most people still don't realize the changes that are

being made in the name of energy sustainability. And let us be certain, this new

found green consciousness seems to care very little about the eco-systems

its development is challenging.  The plot thickens...

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Besides which, most people don't realize the compact fluorescent light

bulbs have mercury in them. If they break in your home, you need to

have a HazMat team come in to clean it up. Not good in homes where

children may knock lamps over, but anyone could drop a bulb while

changing one and suddenly your home becomes a hazardous site.

Also, they are terrible for the environment. They must be disposed of

as hazardous waste. Most people will just throw them in the trash

because they either don't have a hazardous waste disposal collection

by their waste management company, or they just don't know. People

are told if they can't dispose of them at a hazardous waste facility,

they should wrap them in newspaper and put them in the trash! A lot

of good that's going to do in our landfills when they get broken, and

the mercury eventually leaches into our water supply. Plus what about

breakage in the garbage trucks and the waste collectors who are

exposed to the mercury? So in the name of energy savings, our health

is being put at risk and our environment will be further polluted.

Don't we have enough mercury filled fish already?

I absolutely cannot tolerate fluorescent lights of any kind, including

the CFL's. Even my eye doctor has written an article in her

newsletter relating the eye strain they cause. I'm trying to stock up

on incandescents for the next 15 years, being optimistic that I'm

going to live that long.

The phaseout is going to happen from 2012 to 2014, with the 100 watt

bulbs being eliminated first. Already, Target in my area (S.F. Bay

Area) isn't selling them any more and they are very hard to find.

They seem to be replacing all the incandescent bulbs with the halogen

ones as they sell out their stock.

I've read that halogen bulbs are bad for a you, too. EMF's I think,

but I'd have to check. I have a halogen pole lamp I'm planning on

replacing.

gomma

On Apr 22, 2011, at 4:22 PM, pamela clemonts wrote:

> This evening on ABC News there was a report that the US government

> was phasing out incandescent light bulbs. It told of how a Sylvania

> plant in PA was shifting over from incandescents to bulbs that look

> like old bulbs but actually have mini halogen lamps inside of them.

> I don't know about you, but the mini flourescents make me really

> sick (worse than the regular sized flourescents) and I have a friend

> who doesn't get sick from cell phones, but gets sick from halogen

> lamps. It's ghastly, what goes on... Whatever happened to options?

> Here we have the government making all these decisions without input

> from consumers or taxpayers.

>

> It's like they've already decided and we're maybe starting to catch

> a whiff of the plan as it unfolds. Most people still don't realize

> the changes that are being made in the name of energy

> sustainability. And let us be certain, this new found green

> consciousness seems to care very little about the eco-systems its

> development is challenging. The plot thickens...

>

>

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So are those the curly light bulbs being sold now in replacement. cfl's?  Loni

> This evening on ABC News there was a report that the US government

> was phasing out incandescent light bulbs. It told of how a Sylvania

> plant in PA was shifting over from incandescents to bulbs that look

> like old bulbs but actually have mini halogen lamps inside of them.

> I don't know about you, but the mini flourescents make me really

> sick (worse than the regular sized flourescents) and I have a friend

> who doesn't get sick from cell phones, but gets sick from halogen

> lamps. It's ghastly, what goes on... Whatever happened to options?

> Here we have the government making all these decisions without input

> from consumers or taxpayers.

>

> It's like they've already decided and we're maybe starting to catch

> a whiff of the plan as it unfolds. Most people still don't realize

> the changes that are being made in the name of energy

> sustainability. And let us be certain, this new found green

> consciousness seems to care very little about the eco-systems its

> development is challenging. The plot thickens...

>

>

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The light bulbs with the mini halogens inside may be OK.

I think I have reacted to some because the filament vibrates in

some cases. The halogens that cause the most problems

are the low voltage ones, because they are usually powered

by a SMPS and/or dimmer switch.

On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Loni <loni326@...> wrote:

>

>

> So are those the curly light bulbs being sold now in replacement. cfl's?

> Loni

>

>

>

> > This evening on ABC News there was a report that the US government

> > was phasing out incandescent light bulbs. It told of how a Sylvania

> > plant in PA was shifting over from incandescents to bulbs that look

> > like old bulbs but actually have mini halogen lamps inside of them.

> > I don't know about you, but the mini flourescents make me really

> > sick (worse than the regular sized flourescents) and I have a friend

> > who doesn't get sick from cell phones, but gets sick from halogen

> > lamps. It's ghastly, what goes on... Whatever happened to options?

> > Here we have the government making all these decisions without input

> > from consumers or taxpayers.

> >

> > It's like they've already decided and we're maybe starting to catch

> > a whiff of the plan as it unfolds. Most people still don't realize

> > the changes that are being made in the name of energy

> > sustainability. And let us be certain, this new found green

> > consciousness seems to care very little about the eco-systems its

> > development is challenging. The plot thickens...

> >

> >

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> So are those the curly light bulbs being sold now in replacement. cfl's?  Loni

I think perhaps the fear of incandescent bulbs being " phased out " in the USA

is a bit overblown. There are so many exceptions to these rules -- that is,

particular incandescent bulbs that are exempt -- that I think that all of the

incandescent bulbs I've been using for years will continued to be available.

(most of the bulbs in my house are made by Chromalux)

Marc

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they sell the incandescent light bulbs (look like)  that say " Double Life " on

the box. Longer life of the bulb. Are those ok?  Loni

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: US Government is phasing out incandescent light bulbs...

Date: Monday, April 25, 2011, 4:38 PM

 

> So are those the curly light bulbs being sold now in replacement. cfl's? 

Loni

I think perhaps the fear of incandescent bulbs being " phased out " in the USA

is a bit overblown. There are so many exceptions to these rules -- that is,

particular incandescent bulbs that are exempt -- that I think that all of the

incandescent bulbs I've been using for years will continued to be available.

(most of the bulbs in my house are made by Chromalux)

Marc

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Yes, the curly ones are CFL's. Sometimes, they're hidden inside a normal-shaped

bulb, so it's not always easy to spot.

BTW, I think halogens have high magnetic fields.

Next best to incandescent is probably LED, although I read somewhere that even

those may not be as safe as incandescent (from EMF and vision standpoint). For

LED, there may be some w/ spectral properties that are more or less damaging, so

it's important to research to protect your eyes.

> >

> > > This evening on ABC News there was a report that the US government

> > > was phasing out incandescent light bulbs. It told of how a Sylvania

> > > plant in PA was shifting over from incandescents to bulbs that look

> > > like old bulbs but actually have mini halogen lamps inside of them.

> > > I don't know about you, but the mini flourescents make me really

> > > sick (worse than the regular sized flourescents) and I have a friend

> > > who doesn't get sick from cell phones, but gets sick from halogen

> > > lamps. It's ghastly, what goes on... Whatever happened to options?

> > > Here we have the government making all these decisions without input

> > > from consumers or taxpayers.

> > >

> > > It's like they've already decided and we're maybe starting to catch

> > > a whiff of the plan as it unfolds. Most people still don't realize

> > > the changes that are being made in the name of energy

> > > sustainability. And let us be certain, this new found green

> > > consciousness seems to care very little about the eco-systems its

> > > development is challenging. The plot thickens...

> > >

> > >

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> they sell the incandescent light bulbs (look like)  that say " Double Life " on

the box.

> Longer life of the bulb. Are those ok?  Loni

Yes, double-life incandescents are fine. They probably have a lifetime of 4000

hours

instead of 2000 hours. Some of the incandescents I buy have a rated lifetime of

20000 hours! I think those bulbs are also exempt from the new laws, as they are

classified as " rough service " bulbs.

Marc

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Oh thanks Marc, I was concerned about that because what exactly would make them

longer lasting so I didn't buy them........ but now I will. Loni

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: US Government is phasing out incandescent light bulbs...

Date: Monday, April 25, 2011, 6:35 PM

 

> they sell the incandescent light bulbs (look like)  that say " Double Life " on

the box.

> Longer life of the bulb. Are those ok?  Loni

Yes, double-life incandescents are fine. They probably have a lifetime of 4000

hours

instead of 2000 hours. Some of the incandescents I buy have a rated lifetime of

20000 hours! I think those bulbs are also exempt from the new laws, as they are

classified as " rough service " bulbs.

Marc

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Source for incandescants you can no longer find in the stores, like

higher wattage, heavy duty for shop, 100W with brass bases.

www.1000bulbs.com

The way I've read it, is the 100w stopped being produced start of this year, by

next year 75w, then no more of the rest.

This has been planned for several years, starting in CA. Well, it's overseas

too.

Those cfl's are awful, besides the regular fluorescent problems, they also have

a stronger emf because of the magnetic coil effect in the their shape, and they

also emit more chemicals, and the ballast can/does burn out at the end of it's

life emitting them into the air, they can catch fire, which they claim is

normal!

I haven't heard of the halogen ones that look like regulars.

I bought one led bulb to try out, as the little led lights really bother me, but

there was a marked down one. The lighting color is still rather sickly, and the

ballast on them also gets quite hot. They are quite expensive, but probably

better than the cfls, though I don't know what all is in their ballasts.

So, get your supplies in while they're still available.

~ Snoshoe

>

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Also there is some Congressional action to stop the ban, but you can't count on

that, since some idiots put it into place in the first place.

http://www.naturalnews.com/031070_incandescent_lights_2012.html#ixzz1Bq1ii6vu

~ Snoshoe

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We visited relative in a nice retirement center. I don't know how they stand

those CFL's.

 I had all over body burning. My son a autism couldn't sit still & went in a

game room w daylight.  On the way home my daugher & i I got headaches from cell

towers.

Kathy

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From: Loni <loni326@...>

Subject: Re: Re: US Government is phasing out incandescent light

bulbs...

Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 11:54 AM

 

I went to a yoga class and they had the flourescent lights and my nerves

started to tingle in my legs. Trying to do something healthy for me & I get

fried. What a shame. Loni

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Thanks for the heads up! We need to stock up!

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> >

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Hey Marc,

 

What's good? Where do you get those exceptional incandescent bulbs?

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: US Government is phasing out incandescent light bulbs...

Date: Monday, April 25, 2011, 9:35 PM

 

> they sell the incandescent light bulbs (look like)  that say " Double Life " on

the box.

> Longer life of the bulb. Are those ok?  Loni

Yes, double-life incandescents are fine. They probably have a lifetime of 4000

hours

instead of 2000 hours. Some of the incandescents I buy have a rated lifetime of

20000 hours! I think those bulbs are also exempt from the new laws, as they are

classified as " rough service " bulbs.

Marc

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The 20,000 hour bulbs I buy are made by Aero-Tech:

http://lightbulb.aerolights.com/category/aero-tech-bulbs-made-in-the-usa-20-000-\

hours

I also like the " Full Spectrum " type incandescents

from Chromalux:

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> What's good? Where do you get those exceptional incandescent bulbs?

Sorry, that last email got " sent " before I meant to send it!

The 20,000 hour bulbs I buy are made by Aero-Tech:

http://lightbulb.aerolights.com/category/aero-tech-bulbs-made-in-the-usa-20-000-\

hours

I also like the " Full Spectrum " type incandescents from Chromalux:

http://www.a1fullspectrumlighting.com/

Marc

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Thanks Marc,

 

That's great information. I do get fried pretty good from some of the cheap lamp

fixtures. Some regular bulbs I don't tolerate very well either.  Have a great

weekend!

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: US Government is phasing out incandescent light bulbs...

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Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 10:39 PM

 

> What's good? Where do you get those exceptional incandescent bulbs?

Sorry, that last email got " sent " before I meant to send it!

The 20,000 hour bulbs I buy are made by Aero-Tech:

http://lightbulb.aerolights.com/category/aero-tech-bulbs-made-in-the-usa-20-000-\

hours

I also like the " Full Spectrum " type incandescents from Chromalux:

http://www.a1fullspectrumlighting.com/

Marc

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I like the Chromalux bulbs, too, Marc, and it is interesting that I liked them

way before I knew I had ES.  I bought them for growing plants indoors

originally.

 

Diane

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: US Government is phasing out incandescent light bulbs...

" pamela clemonts " <adiaha22@...>, " Group "

< >

Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 10:35 PM

 

The 20,000 hour bulbs I buy are made by Aero-Tech:

http://lightbulb.aerolights.com/category/aero-tech-bulbs-made-in-the-usa-20-000-\

hours

I also like the " Full Spectrum " type incandescents

from Chromalux: