Re: Noise Harvester / RxDNA

[Guest guest]

> Well are all the devices you tried an kinna fail your testing all base on

> Capacitor storing,filtering or converting to good energy ?

The filters which make me feel worse are the type that collect

the noise on the hot line and then transfer that noise to the neutral

line ( " shunt capacitor filter " ). The Stetzerizer filter and the

Blue Circle Audio BC86 fall into this category. This is also

how a lot of " hardware store " power strips with EMI filtering work.

However, I have no worsening of symptoms with Furman linear filtering

powers strips, or the PS Audio Noise Harvesters.

> Are these units also have a capacitor system to store and then burn (in a

> way of saying it)the extra into light ?

> If the light flash it should be store till enough then discharge the

> capacitor into a flash of light!

Yes, this is how the Noise Harvesters work -- they store the noise,

and when the capacitor is full, an LED flight flashes. When there

is a lot of noise on the line, those things will flash so often

that it almost appears to be continuous light. In such cases,

the company recommends that you buy more Noise Harvesters. And

indeed, if I plug in a second Noise Harvester next to the first,

the rate of flashing on the first Noise Harvester decreases.

So it seems to me that the RxDNA might be somewhat like the Noise

Harvesters, except maybe that it turns the noise into heat rather

than light, and also that they recommend fewer per house, so

it must have more noise removal capacity.

But like I said, I never noticed any improvement in my health

from the Noise Harvesters, so I wonder if the RxDNA would be

any different?

Marc

[Guest guest]

> So it seems to me that the RxDNA might be somewhat like the Noise

> Harvesters

Doing a bit of searching on the Noise Harvesters, I find sketchy

and conflicting information, but according to some sources, the

Noise Harvesters only focus on noise in a very narrow range:

8 khz - 15 khz (and presumably higher frequency harmonics from

this), and remove " 8 - 10 watts of line noise per day " .

The information on the RxDNA is more specific -- works in a

much larger frequency range (5 - 500 khz), and removes 60 watts

of line noise. (I don't know if this 60 watt number can

be directly compared with the 8 - 10 watts PER DAY number).

Also, for the Noise Harvesters, they recommend 5 per house

($500), while for the RxDNA they recommend 2 per house

($1400).

(with Stetzerizer filters recommended at 20 per house,

and the Quantum Home recommended at 1 per house).

Marc

[Guest guest]

> The information on the RxDNA is more specific -- works in a

> much larger frequency range (5 - 500 khz), and removes 60 watts

> of line noise.

And the cheapest price I can find for an RxDNA is US$599:

http://us.ebid.net/for-sale/reduce-emf-dirty-electricity-27103461.htm

Seems interesting, although I don't know if it would be

good/bad/indifferent.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Conrad tells me the " Audio Power Industries " Ultra series

may be the best fitlers. He said they start at about $500.

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Marc <marc@...> wrote:

>

>

> > The information on the RxDNA is more specific -- works in a

> > much larger frequency range (5 - 500 khz), and removes 60 watts

> > of line noise.

>

> And the cheapest price I can find for an RxDNA is US$599:

>

> http://us.ebid.net/for-sale/reduce-emf-dirty-electricity-27103461.htm

>

> Seems interesting, although I don't know if it would be

> good/bad/indifferent.

>

> Marc

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> > So it seems to me that the RxDNA might be somewhat like the Noise

> > Harvesters

>

> Doing a bit of searching on the Noise Harvesters, I find sketchy

> and conflicting information, but according to some sources, the

> Noise Harvesters only focus on noise in a very narrow range:

> 8 khz - 15 khz (and presumably higher frequency harmonics from

> this), and remove " 8 - 10 watts of line noise per day " .

Wow ! Just like you've said ,the band is pretty narrow !!! If it would work like

in the 5-500 kHz of the RxDNA i bet the capacitor would load up pretty quickly

and then you would need to pack-up on more unit to do the higher demand on

filtering ?

Its almost like pushing full range to a sub woofer speaker and then switching to

low pass only ! Way less load on the speaker when the range is narrow ...

>

> The information on the RxDNA is more specific -- works in a

> much larger frequency range (5 - 500 khz), and removes 60 watts

> of line noise. (I don't know if this 60 watt number can

> be directly compared with the 8 - 10 watts PER DAY number).

>

> Also, for the Noise Harvesters, they recommend 5 per house

> ($500), while for the RxDNA they recommend 2 per house

> ($1400).

>

> (with Stetzerizer filters recommended at 20 per house,

> and the Quantum Home recommended at 1 per house).

>

> Marc

>

[Guest guest]

>

> > Well are all the devices you tried an kinna fail your testing all base on

> > Capacitor storing,filtering or converting to good energy ?

>

> The filters which make me feel worse are the type that collect

> the noise on the hot line and then transfer that noise to the neutral

> line ( " shunt capacitor filter " ). The Stetzerizer filter and the

> Blue Circle Audio BC86 fall into this category. This is also

> how a lot of " hardware store " power strips with EMI filtering work.

>

> However, I have no worsening of symptoms with Furman linear filtering

> powers strips, or the PS Audio Noise Harvesters.

>

> > Are these units also have a capacitor system to store and then burn (in a

> > way of saying it)the extra into light ?

> > If the light flash it should be store till enough then discharge the

> > capacitor into a flash of light!

>

> Yes, this is how the Noise Harvesters work -- they store the noise,

> and when the capacitor is full, an LED flight flashes. When there

> is a lot of noise on the line, those things will flash so often

> that it almost appears to be continuous light. In such cases,

> the company recommends that you buy more Noise Harvesters. And

> indeed, if I plug in a second Noise Harvester next to the first,

> the rate of flashing on the first Noise Harvester decreases.

>

> So it seems to me that the RxDNA might be somewhat like the Noise

> Harvesters, except maybe that it turns the noise into heat rather

> than light, and also that they recommend fewer per house, so

> it must have more noise removal capacity.

>

> But like I said, I never noticed any improvement in my health

> from the Noise Harvesters, so I wonder if the RxDNA would be

> any different?

>

> Marc

>

Well if i got this wright the RxDNA does not store in a capacitor like the Noise

Harvesters does ... It just convert it to heat and dissipate it as soon noise

happen !

I'm gonna send you a mail on the subject and personal experience from people ...

you decide as a moderator if you want to post it here afterword .

[Guest guest]

> I'm gonna send you a mail on the subject and personal experience from

> people ... you decide as a moderator if you want to post it here

> afterword.

And here is that email...

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It goes like this!

I PERSONALLY DO NOT RECOMMEND THE FILTERS, MY EXPERIENCES RESULTED IN MANY

ISSUES WITH THESE THINGS, I BOUGHT QUITE A FEW AT THE TIME, I DO RECOMMEND THE

METER - YOU MUST CONSIDER THE DIRTY ELECTRICITY. JUST HAD A FELLOW BACK EAST

GET A METER AND HE PHONED ME CONFUSED BECAUSE HE WAS GETTING A READING OF 1700,

HE COULDN'T BELIEVE IT - HE IS ALSO EXPERIENCEING HIGH ANIEXTY

FOR THE SAKE OF HAVING TO REPEAT MYSELF - I AM COPYING AND PASTING MY EXPERIECE

WITH STETZER FILTERS WHEN RESPONDING TO ANOTHER CUSTOMER - I HAVE ALSO INCLUDED

HIS COMMENTS (HE BOUGHT MY STETZER FILTERS WHEN I SOLD THEM USED ON EBAY - WE

HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THEM - HE SAYS HE IS A DOWSER SO TAKE IT FOR

WHAT ITS WORTH AND YOU DECIDE) I ALSO INCLUDED INFO ABOUT THE RXDNA WHICH IS

WHAT I AM USING NOW FOR MY DIRTY ELECTRICITY AN D AM VERY HAPPY WITH IT, I ALSO

SUPPORT AND SELL THE RXDNA. I BELIEVE ITS THE SAFEST WAY TO REDUCE DIRTY

ELECTRICY/

My copy of my email sent:

I use to use the Stetzer filters in my home to get rid of the dirty electricity

as I've mentioned before, but I also had a problem with very high magnetic

fields in different spots in my home during the time of using the filters.

I had a building biologist come in and inspect my home to find out what I could

do about these fields, I thought I had a bad wiring problem. But during his

extensive research, he saw I had the filters and suggested I take them all out

and test the the magnetic fields again. And what we both discovered is the

filters actually enhanced dramatically the magnetic fields I already had. Once

removed, the area of magnetic fields reduced to a normal range, 1-3milligauss.

The magnetic fields was coming from under the ground along a pipe that was

buried. (I live in an apartment) so these fields could not be remedied. I was

so surprised to find the filters helped with one thing, but then also created

another problem. I could feel a big difference in my home once removed. He

said he found this to be a problem in some homes while using the filters. Well

this left me without a way to reduce my dirty electricity which was also high.

After plugging in the RXDNA to get rid of the dirty electricity and for almost

one full day, I could feel energy moving in my house that I never felt before.

It was absolutely amazing and shocking. It was like someone had released a dam

in my home. I know this may sound strange, but its the best way to describe it.

It seemed very odd, then my house felt like it had a dampness I'd never

experienced before either. Then it all stopped and my home calmed way down.

Somehow or another - the stetzer filters created some sort of electrical

damming. This was my experience. No technical explanation. Now all the dirty

electricity is dissipated using the rxdna, yes it may be also dissapating the

extra current coming in also, I don't know, but my electric bill did not

increase. This other unit may be good regarding dirty electricity - I would

want to consult with the founder of rxdna for his opinion, I trust his abilities

- and I have my own personal experiences with it. My home is very calm. Have

you seen this on the powergard

http://open4energy.com/forum/home/scam/nevvus_powergard

very interesting site you may want to save. Very informative.

Oh my, I just went back and re-read the information about other filters on my

site for the rxdna, because I wanted to review what was said about other types

of filters for getting rid of dirty electricity. Here is a copy of it from my

site: What is shocking to me, is that it is exactly what happened in my home, I

had a sense of a dam being released once I installed the rxdna unit. It had

released this dam.

IT WAS A VERY, VERY PROFOUND EXPERIENCE. So you may want to review this

information below about Filter products.

(Can find this info on my site under rxdna) 1.2.2 Filter Products

" Power conditioning " is the broad umbrella of a wide variety of techniques,

circuits and systems that filter, smooth, regulate, limit, compensate and adjust

AC and DC power to accomplish optimum system performance.

In the arena of removing noise, most such conditioning products filter noise.

This means that they stop or arrest the noise. It is somewhat akin to damming a

river. The problem with the filter approach (and the dam for that matter) is

that the pressure is always there. There is something that is always trying to

get through. There are various things that can change that will alter the

effectiveness of the filter, most notably the load impedance. Simply turning

loads off or on, by definition, changes the load impedance, so the effectiveness

of a filter, typically varies.

Care must be taken in the design and use of filters since they frequently have

high-Q circuits. This allows them to have sharp pass bands or stop bands, but

has the decided disadvantage that high-Q circuits typically develop very high

internal voltages. These internal voltages are Q-times the applied voltage. So a

filter with a Q of 10 (not a particularly high Q) that is powered from 120 VAC,

will have (10 * 120) 1200 volts AC internal to the filter. Now, moisture, dust

and other debris become a problem since they can cause arcing in the filter. In

addition to precipitating component breakdown, and causing a fire hazard,

electrical arcs are perhaps the most powerful generator of broadband noise that

mankind has ever invented.

Filters require that they carry the power that they are filtering. So all of the

power that needs to be filtered passes through the filter. If a filter is added

to a major utility power feed after the fact, it will require quite a bit of

efforts to reroute the power through the filter.

So thank you I hope to speak to my friend about this unit too hopefully soon to

get his take on it.

Response from my customer who bought the stetzer filters

I don't want to sound mean, but I was going to actually return the Stetzers to

you. I felt this sort of 'backing up' of energy almost immediately, it was

difficult to explain. But I am torn because I do feel an improvement in the

harmonics of the line, something else felt off. It is sad, often solutions to

problems, bring about more problems themselves! What a conundrum.

Here is something really odd.. Yesterday I saw the power company parked with a

van on the street, and a diagnostics expert walking around. I asked the lady

across the street what was going on, and she said " Everyone on the street is

having some sort of power issue, like surges or something. " ... Ugh, I wasn't

having these issues, but everyone else was! Is it possible the Stetzers were

pushing so much noise back into the system it was damning up, overflowing, and

blowing back to my neighbors? The timing is interesting, this was exactly 1 day

after installing the filters. This is not good, they were out all day trying to

find the issues, and I do not think they resolved it.

I am also a dowser, intuitive, and energy aware person as I explained. So I

certainly dowsed the situation, and the results were, interesting...

Percentage improvement in electricity after installing stetzers - 425%

Percentage improvement after re-allocating them to current locations - 465%

Impediment to flow of improper/dangerous energies - 41%

Impediment to flow of beneficial energies - 30%

Where is the damned up energy going?

Back into mains - 21

Stuck in filters - 45

Stuck in lines somewhere - 11

Re-routed through something else - 36

Ground rods - 99

Pipes - 0

HVAC Vents - 0

So from this, it looks like Stetzers are cleaning up the power, and improving

perhaps only 1-2 aspects of the power. But they are also impeding the flow of

natural energies. (30%) Also damning up energy (74%). Most of this appears to

be stuck in the filters, followed by some going back into the mains, and others

finding expression somewhere else (possibly through pipes, as you found). I

will ask, did you have ANY grounding connected to pipes? I had all of my

electricity re-constructed a couple years ago, and had huge double grounding

rods installed out in the yard, before it grounded to pipes, and caused many

issues. However, even with this done, I can still trigger mild current through

the pipes because they still pick up current from the ground.

So from the above, it looks like the filters are holding a lot (capacitors?), 1

is bleeding through possibly heat loss, or natural decay. Some going back into

the mains to other homes, or power company. A small amount stuck in the lines

somewhere (Between filters?), and a whole bunch going back into the ground rod

system I have in place. With your case, it might have been that the 'closest'

method to burn off those fields, were the pipes right under you. For me, it

would be the 30 feet deep grounding rods in my yard and double grounding array

cables run directly in to the mains. This makes sense.

I took the liberty of checking your situation from remote (dowser). This is for

your location:

Percentage improvement in electricity after installing RxDNA - 205%

Percentage improvement when you had Stetzers installed - 400%

Impediment to flow of improper/dangerous energies with RxDNA - 55%

Impediment to flow of improper/dangerous energies with Stetzers - 43%

Impediment to flow of beneficial energies with RxDNA- 27%

Impediment to flow of beneficial energies with Stetzers- 28%

Energy Damning up with RxDNA - 11%

Energy Damning up with Stetzers - 94% (average, surges and non surges)

So from this, we can tell a few things.. The Stetzer was more effective at

blocking a wider range of things, and overall improvement, at the core, was much

higher (double). However the RxDNA is slightly better at the more dangerous

energies, but less overall spectrum of coverage. But in your case, 94% energy

damning of what was filtered, with virtually no good expression of those

energies, so you were right, 94% backup of this stuff in your apartment!

Remember, you cannot stop energy, you can only alter, or divert it. Cosmic law.

I can move a " Ley Line " from a home, but I cannot block it, or a vortex will

form, and often those can be more trouble than they are worth, and most people

have vortexes in their homes because of improper considerations of natural

energies. It's easy to re-locate Ley Lines around a home, and often people

experience huge, dramatic increases in well being.

So anything a filter like Stetzer does, will have to find expression somewhere

else. The RxDNA appears to be able to internally deal with the excess energy

somehow, whereas the Stetzers did not, they created 'blockages' in your system,

which expressed down to your pipes, and closest grounds. (which might be you

walking past too)

Since the maximum for me was 74%, let's check overall.

After installation of filters - 87%

Within 1 hour - 42%

Within 12 hours - 11%

Within 24 hours - 8%

Today - 3%

For you, back when you installed the Stetzers.

After installation of filters - 100%

Within 1 hour - 96%

Within 12 hours - 88%

Within 24 hours - 88%

So it looks like no proper expression of the excess stuff was found in your

home, so everything sort of 'charged up', and maintained at 88% inability to

dissipate. Right now in your home/apartment.

After installation of RxDNA - 28%

Within 1 hour - 11%

Within 12 hours - 11%

Within 24 hours - 11%

So I suspect, you felt an improvement after about an hour of RxDNA being plugged

it, and it is no wonder why.

Interesting, it appears after an initial phase of introduction, the Stetzers

actually improve function over time. I searched videos, and found this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2uXJFwc5gM & feature=related these dowsings fall

in line with that, as the guy indicates, the filter actually improves over time.

I've found the same thing with Stetzers. In your case, I think the issue was,

there just wasn't a place for natural expression, nowhere for it to go properly,

so it pushed it to your pipes. Do you think that sounds feasible?

So what's the answer? RxDNA is interesting, and in theory, makes sense. Convert

the extra rubbish to heat, and dissapate the heat.

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[Guest guest]

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> >

> > > The information on the RxDNA is more specific -- works in a

> > > much larger frequency range (5 - 500 khz), and removes 60 watts

> > > of line noise.

> >

> > And the cheapest price I can find for an RxDNA is US$599:

> >

> > http://us.ebid.net/for-sale/reduce-emf-dirty-electricity-27103461.htm

> >

> > Seems interesting, although I don't know if it would be

> > good/bad/indifferent.

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Here is a link to some in-line, multi-stage

filters that offer differential and common-mode

attenuation:

http://www.schaffner.com/components/en/product/productL23.asp?level=3$1$4 & langua\

ge_id=12

Rated for up to 30 Amps, they are suitable for

house installations.

So where does the high-frequency energy go?

Inductor impedance increases with frequency.

So the high frequency energy is stored as

magnetic flux in the inductors.

Eli

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> > > > The information on the RxDNA is more specific -- works in a

> > > > much larger frequency range (5 - 500 khz), and removes 60 watts

> > > > of line noise.

> > >

> > > And the cheapest price I can find for an RxDNA is US$599:

> > >

> > > http://us.ebid.net/for-sale/reduce-emf-dirty-electricity-27103461.htm

> > >

> > > Seems interesting, although I don't know if it would be

> > > good/bad/indifferent.

> > >

> > > Marc

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