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: I think it's the hand massage itself that makes your hands feel better,

not the coconut oil.

Dermal absorption is tghtly controlled by your biology, in the skin and even in

the buccal and sublingual membranes. This has been studied in medicine, and in

research on essential oils.

The application of plant oils and the fatty acids in them as a therapy relies on

them NOT being absorbed. Coconut oil won't absorb either.

The slightly absorbable components of some volatile plant oils usually cause

skin reactions, meaning the immune system sees them as toxins.

DMSO is often used in skin perparations to pull things in that normally would

not penerate the skin. Care must be taken once the skin is compromised in order

to not absorb toxins along with the DMSO.

Hypothyroid and arthritis are both symptoms of bowel dysbiosis (bad bowel

ecology). When a person has a group of two or more symptoms that may result from

diet, after ruling out what they can such as thyroid surgery, usually diet is at

fault. Welcome to the world's best coconut oil group; here we're pretty strong

on diet. You can get a lot of information on dysbiosis as a predicator of

disease on this page, the inulin references. Inulin should also be part of your

diet:

http://tinyurl.com/inulin-references

all good,

Duncan

>

> Hello,

>

> I have hypothyroid which is medicated by synnthyroid. I also have sore

joints in my hands.

> I have tried coconut oil on my hands and the stiffness and soreness seems

to go away. Is that normal ? Or is it from some other supplement ?

> Would rubbing CO on my thyroid help ? Or.. how to get CO to help me with my

thyroid ?

>

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Duncan, Thank you very much for the informative post! Great information ! btw, I

will immediately start with inulin and a good probiotic.

Finest Regards,

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I have hypothyroid which is medicated by synnthyroid. I also have sore

joints in my hands.

> > I have tried coconut oil on my hands and the stiffness and soreness seems

to go away. Is that normal ? Or is it from some other supplement ?

> > Would rubbing CO on my thyroid help ? Or.. how to get CO to help me with

my thyroid ?

> >

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I think I replied to this. Just in case.. thank you very much Duncan ! Lots of

good info here. Thank you also for the welcome.

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I have hypothyroid which is medicated by synnthyroid. I also have sore

joints in my hands.

> > I have tried coconut oil on my hands and the stiffness and soreness seems

to go away. Is that normal ? Or is it from some other supplement ?

> > Would rubbing CO on my thyroid help ? Or.. how to get CO to help me with

my thyroid ?

> >

>

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The CO will help to strengthen your immune system and your general well being

and also help to correct your hypothyroid condition, but applying it externally

might only be of benefit to the skin.

For sore joints I use MSM.

Google Coconut Research Center for additional info.

Craig

>

> Hello,

>

> I have hypothyroid which is medicated by synnthyroid. I also have sore

joints in my hands.

> I have tried coconut oil on my hands and the stiffness and soreness seems

to go away. Is that normal ? Or is it from some other supplement ?

> Would rubbing CO on my thyroid help ? Or.. how to get CO to help me with my

thyroid ?

>

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Please visit my blog : vcoorganic.blogspot.com

regards, Eko

On 3/13/11, eko sb setyawan <eko.sb.setyawan@...> wrote:

> Hi everyone.

> I'm new to this group. I'm from Indonesia, the largest coconut

> plantation with production number 2 after Phillpine. I'm starting

> produce organic VCO for local and export market. In 2004 I joined

> coconut industry project with local University here, and VCO became

> major project on that time.

>

> My major reason join in this group to get more network of coconut oil

> over the globe and get more knowledge of CO.

>

> regards

> Eko SB Setyawan

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I haven't seen indication of CO strengthening one's immune system. I wish it

were true; I would post such research to my coconut oil references page.

all good,

Duncan

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I have hypothyroid which is medicated by synnthyroid. I also have sore

joints in my hands.

> > I have tried coconut oil on my hands and the stiffness and soreness seems

to go away. Is that normal ? Or is it from some other supplement ?

> > Would rubbing CO on my thyroid help ? Or.. how to get CO to help me with

my thyroid ?

> >

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If you are taking synthroid, you may not be on enough thyroid

medication, especially if your doctor goes by TSH. Try

StopTheThyroidMadness.com for accurate thyroid info. Am sure there may

be more than one reason for sore joints, but for me, it was all low

thyroid. I had no idea how important one's thyroid was.

> I have hypothyroid which is medicated by synnthyroid. I also have

sore joints in my hands.

> I have tried coconut oil on my hands and the stiffness and soreness

seems to go away. Is that normal ? Or is it from some other supplement ?

> Would rubbing CO on my thyroid help ? Or.. how to get CO to help me

with my thyroid ?

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Hello , So what is the best course of action then ? I am looking for a doc

to give me a prescrip for natural thyroid that should help.

Also coconut oil sounds promising as a " support " food.

>

> If you are taking synthroid, you may not be on enough thyroid

> medication, especially if your doctor goes by TSH. Try

> StopTheThyroidMadness.com for accurate thyroid info. Am sure there may

> be more than one reason for sore joints, but for me, it was all low

> thyroid. I had no idea how important one's thyroid was.

>

>

>

>

> > I have hypothyroid which is medicated by synnthyroid. I also have

> sore joints in my hands.

> > I have tried coconut oil on my hands and the stiffness and soreness

> seems to go away. Is that normal ? Or is it from some other supplement ?

> > Would rubbing CO on my thyroid help ? Or.. how to get CO to help me

> with my thyroid ?

>

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Your thyroid level will improve as your toxin load drops, if toxin load was

suppressing your thyroid and elevating adrenal output. Happens all the time with

low carbing, and also dropping the thyroid-suppressive dietary oils. Tough bit

to swallow for some people, especially the bad bowel/bad carb link, and it takes

months to sometimes years to improve even with the diet change.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Hello , So what is the best course of action then ? I am looking for a

doc to give me a prescrip for natural thyroid that should help.

> Also coconut oil sounds promising as a " support " food.

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Duncan, Thank you. Which dietary oils are thyroid suppressive ?

>

> Your thyroid level will improve as your toxin load drops, if toxin load was

suppressing your thyroid and elevating adrenal output. Happens all the time with

low carbing, and also dropping the thyroid-suppressive dietary oils. Tough bit

to swallow for some people, especially the bad bowel/bad carb link, and it takes

months to sometimes years to improve even with the diet change.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

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, Google is your friend. Noted top four thyroid-supressive oils are soy,

canola, cottonseed, and corn. Not to say the rest aren't; I think it applies to

all of the common unsaturated food oils so I'm not so sure safflower and

sunflower are safe either. Here's a quick Gooogle search:

<http://www.google.com/search?hl=en & client=aff-cs-worldbrowser & hs=BZF & q=%22thyro\

id+suppressive%22+OR+%22suppress+thyroid%22+oils+OR+fats & aq=f & aqi= & aql= & oq=>

all good,

Duncan

> >

> > Your thyroid level will improve as your toxin load drops, if toxin load was

suppressing your thyroid and elevating adrenal output. Happens all the time with

low carbing, and also dropping the thyroid-suppressive dietary oils. Tough bit

to swallow for some people, especially the bad bowel/bad carb link, and it takes

months to sometimes years to improve even with the diet change.

> >

> > all good,

> >

> > Duncan

> >

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Duncan, It seems the unsaturated oils block thyroid hormone secretion. Good to

know. But we can't live on Coconut oil. I add a little iodine to my diet so that

it all balances out.

As for flax oil, another great healer, Max Gerson, used it to fight cancer

and other diseases. I use it along with a drop or two of fish oil. Many, even

today, swear by it. Maybe JB saw something in her research that we don't. It

does appear to repair cell wall integrity and cell " breathing " .

PS: the honey was approved by Dr Budwig for use in the FOCC mix and in limited

quantities in her diet protocol.

> > >

> > > Your thyroid level will improve as your toxin load drops, if toxin load

was suppressing your thyroid and elevating adrenal output. Happens all the time

with low carbing, and also dropping the thyroid-suppressive dietary oils. Tough

bit to swallow for some people, especially the bad bowel/bad carb link, and it

takes months to sometimes years to improve even with the diet change.

> > >

> > > all good,

> > >

> > > Duncan

> > >

> >

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, yes you will have deficiencies if you live on coconut oil. And as I

understand it, excess of any polyunsaturated oil suppresses thyroid.

The primary food oil that does not suppress thyroid is oleic acid, which is only

6% of coconut oil, 25% of butter, and as high as 72% in olive oil.

I use mainly butter, some olive oil, and a little coconut oil. Butter, milk fat

actually, is tailored to a mammal's needs; it contains a lot of nutrients that

coconut oil does not and a more " correct " fatty acid ratio.

A chart of the fatty acids components of several food oils is on my site in the

oil references page; the downloadable worksheet allows one to add more oils as

you get the data for them:

http://tinyurl.com/oil-references

Downloading and printing Greg 's Food Oil Analysis is a good idea; I

usually give it out at heallth meetings and seminars to show people where they

can improve their fatty acids intake.

Budwig didn't have this information but research has found that flax oil is not

found in cell walls at all, although DHA is. Thus, it can't improve cell wall

integrity unless that elusive 2% conversion to DHA actually occurs. And the

argument that flax oil increases cellular breathing in the body is also

unsupported. I think the myth is based on its use as a boiled ingredient in

paint, for which flax oil is legendary.

Honey is frowned on nowadays too. Too high-carb, but Budwig in this case should

have known.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Duncan, It seems the unsaturated oils block thyroid hormone secretion. Good to

know. But we can't live on Coconut oil. I add a little iodine to my diet so that

it all balances out.

> As for flax oil, another great healer, Max Gerson, used it to fight cancer

and other diseases. I use it along with a drop or two of fish oil. Many, even

today, swear by it. Maybe JB saw something in her research that we don't. It

does appear to repair cell wall integrity and cell " breathing " .

> PS: the honey was approved by Dr Budwig for use in the FOCC mix and in

limited quantities in her diet protocol.

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Will MSM cause any irritation on the stomach for those who are sensitive?

Suren

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I have hypothyroid which is medicated by synnthyroid. I also have sore

joints in my hands.

> > I have tried coconut oil on my hands and the stiffness and soreness seems

to go away. Is that normal ? Or is it from some other supplement ?

> > Would rubbing CO on my thyroid help ? Or.. how to get CO to help me with

my thyroid ?

> >

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Hi Suren. I read that most people do not experience any stomach problems taking

MSM, but for those small amount of people that do it is recommended to just

simply take it with food instead. I hope this helps.

From: surenirukulla <surenirukulla@...>

Subject: Re: New to Group

Coconut Oil

Date: Sunday, March 13, 2011, 8:12 PM

 

Will MSM cause any irritation on the stomach for those who are sensitive?

Suren

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I have hypothyroid which is medicated by synnthyroid. I also have sore

joints in my hands.

> > I have tried coconut oil on my hands and the stiffness and soreness seems

to go away. Is that normal ? Or is it from some other supplement ?

> > Would rubbing CO on my thyroid help ? Or.. how to get CO to help me with

my thyroid ?

> >

>

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I've newly become electrically-sensitive due to using one of the products

from the Earthing Co. This was supposed to be protective, but resulted in

massive overexposure to what, I don't know altogether. I'm trying to

comprehend what is happening to me, and I feel afraid, because I seem to be

reacting to so many things. I have Stetzer filters in my house now, which

seems to help, but going anywhere else is kind of a nightmare. Just needing

to connect with people that will understand that I am not crazy. Is there a

hotline anywhere with someone I could talk to? Thanks for your help...

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Yes, it was a mat that was supposed to be EMF protective from the Earthing

Company. When I began using this product, I was only very mildly EMF sensitive.

After using it for a few weeks, and getting some very frightening symptoms

(terrible headaches and severe eye pain, tinnitus, itching, nausea), I finally

traced this to the Earthing mat, and I've been hypersensitive since then. I also

have found three others so far who were made ill by this product. But, the

Earthing people insist that it's safe and effective. It's not!!

Thanks to all of you who've written to me on this forum and also privately. I am

extremely grateful for the support here.

I guess it's just part of the territory to have to become a researcher into all

of these matters, and I've begun that with a will. I need to get well.

Thanks to you all,

>

>

> What was it from the Earthing Co that you used?

> No, you're not crazy. We are ten million strong and growing

> by the day.

> Lizzie

>

>

>

>

> From: denisegetz@...

> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:40:58 -0700

> Subject: new to group

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I've newly become electrically-sensitive due to using one of the products

> from the Earthing Co. This was supposed to be protective, but resulted in

> massive overexposure to what, I don't know altogether. I'm trying to

> comprehend what is happening to me, and I feel afraid, because I seem to be

> reacting to so many things. I have Stetzer filters in my house now, which

> seems to help, but going anywhere else is kind of a nightmare. Just needing

> to connect with people that will understand that I am not crazy. Is there a

> hotline anywhere with someone I could talk to? Thanks for your help...

>

>

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Hi,

Here some more info for you.

Best

Giles

Electro-Sensitivity

(ES)

Electro-sensitive

people suffer from a variety of symptoms in close vicinity to electromagnetic

fields, Wifi, mobiles, DECT phones, baby monitors, certain light sources etc:

Headaches, dizziness, chest palpations, tinnitus, sweating at night. skin

irritations, pins and needles in the hands in the mornings, short-term memory

loss, nauseas, joint aches and pressures at the back of the head as well as in

the sinus or forehead area.

 

Even if you are

not ES, it is beneficial to turn off your Wifi over night, as well as to ban

electrical items, your cordless phones and mobiles from your bedroom. You will

sleep much better and are less likely to have an interrupted sleep pattern.

Usually waking around 4 am.

 

Another simple test is to stop carrying your mobile

on your body (chest or trouser pockets). in many cases people experience the

so-called “phantom text messagesâ€. This describes a situation where every

now

and then you think you had a text message, when keeping the phone in your

pockets,

but when you checked there was no message. Some even suffer from heart

palpitations. If that is case, just try for a while to carry your mobile in a

bag or switch it off, while you have it in your pocket.

 

If you want to

find out more:

www.es-uk.info/ 

www.magdahavas.com

(Canadian website)

http://electromagnetichealth.org/audio-archives-and-more/

www.electrosensitivity.org

www.weepinitiative.com (Canadian website)

http://www.feb.se/FEB/feb_techman.html

(Swedish website)

http://fullsignalmovie.com/index.html

http://safeantenna.org/

http://www.radiationresearch.org/

http://www.mastsanity.org/home.html

http://stopsmartmeters.wordpress.com/

http://www.mast-victims.org/

Recent articles in the press:

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/mobile-p\

hone-radiation-wrecks-your-sleep-771262.html

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1318992/Mobile-phone-health-risk-Phone-g\

iants-accused-burying-warnings-handsets-small-print.html

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7725169/Landmark-study-set-to-show-\

potential-dangers-of-heavy-mobile-phone-use.html

 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article7127799.ece

 

http://www.gq.com/cars-gear/gear-and-gadgets/201002/warning-cell-phone-radiation\

?currentPage=1

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthcomment/geoffrey-lean/6175172/Mobiles-and-\

cancer-the-plot-thickens.html

 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6805895.e

 

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/61725/Is-wi-fi-putting-our-children-in-dange\

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From: Getz <denisegetz@...>

Subject: Re: new to group

Date: Sunday, 3 April, 2011, 19:01

 

Yes, it was a mat that was supposed to be EMF protective from the Earthing

Company. When I began using this product, I was only very mildly EMF sensitive.

After using it for a few weeks, and getting some very frightening symptoms

(terrible headaches and severe eye pain, tinnitus, itching, nausea), I finally

traced this to the Earthing mat, and I've been hypersensitive since then. I also

have found three others so far who were made ill by this product. But, the

Earthing people insist that it's safe and effective. It's not!!

Thanks to all of you who've written to me on this forum and also privately. I am

extremely grateful for the support here.

I guess it's just part of the territory to have to become a researcher into all

of these matters, and I've begun that with a will. I need to get well.

Thanks to you all,

>

>

> What was it from the Earthing Co that you used?

> No, you're not crazy. We are ten million strong and growing

> by the day.

> Lizzie

>

>

>

>

> From: denisegetz@...

> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:40:58 -0700

> Subject: new to group

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I've newly become electrically-sensitive due to using one of the products

> from the Earthing Co. This was supposed to be protective, but resulted in

> massive overexposure to what, I don't know altogether. I'm trying to

> comprehend what is happening to me, and I feel afraid, because I seem to be

> reacting to so many things. I have Stetzer filters in my house now, which

> seems to help, but going anywhere else is kind of a nightmare. Just needing

> to connect with people that will understand that I am not crazy. Is there a

> hotline anywhere with someone I could talk to? Thanks for your help...

>

>

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EMF protection is really difficult. You think you've escaped one pit only to

fall into another one. That's happened to me many times.

Yep, grounding is dangerous if done in a high-electrical environment, because

then you may become the target of the electrical fields looking to get grounded

(whether through visible wires or unseen wires under the flooring and behind the

walls). Additionally the electrical ground is not exactly the same as the

earth, and could potentially carry voltage as well, so it's dangerous to connect

to the electrical ground.

Btw, I heard that Graham-Stetzer filters don't really work. They also add their

own frequencies onto the wire. If you use an AM radio on AM setting, you can

detect it.

What you need to do is fix the problem at the source -- e.g., replace CFL's with

incandescent, replace dimmer switches with regular dipole switches, replace

plasma TV's with LCD TV's, etc. For a more comprehensive list, see

http://www.wireless-precaution.com/main/precautions.php

> >

> >

> > What was it from the Earthing Co that you used?

> > No, you're not crazy. We are ten million strong and growing

> > by the day.

> > Lizzie

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > From: denisegetz@

> > Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:40:58 -0700

> > Subject: new to group

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I've newly become electrically-sensitive due to using one of the products

> > from the Earthing Co. This was supposed to be protective, but resulted in

> > massive overexposure to what, I don't know altogether. I'm trying to

> > comprehend what is happening to me, and I feel afraid, because I seem to be

> > reacting to so many things. I have Stetzer filters in my house now, which

> > seems to help, but going anywhere else is kind of a nightmare. Just needing

> > to connect with people that will understand that I am not crazy. Is there a

> > hotline anywhere with someone I could talk to? Thanks for your help...

> >

> >

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Oh that's interesting! I'm glad I sent my grounding mat back. I live in an area

with close to 300 antennas near by. So for me going out in my yard in my bare

feet might be more injurious to me?

 

Loni

 

From: emraware <emraware@...>

Subject: Re: new to group

Date: Sunday, April 3, 2011, 3:11 PM

 

EMF protection is really difficult. You think you've escaped one pit only to

fall into another one. That's happened to me many times.

Yep, grounding is dangerous if done in a high-electrical environment, because

then you may become the target of the electrical fields looking to get grounded

(whether through visible wires or unseen wires under the flooring and behind the

walls). Additionally the electrical ground is not exactly the same as the earth,

and could potentially carry voltage as well, so it's dangerous to connect to the

electrical ground.

Btw, I heard that Graham-Stetzer filters don't really work. They also add their

own frequencies onto the wire. If you use an AM radio on AM setting, you can

detect it.

What you need to do is fix the problem at the source -- e.g., replace CFL's with

incandescent, replace dimmer switches with regular dipole switches, replace

plasma TV's with LCD TV's, etc. For a more comprehensive list, see

http://www.wireless-precaution.com/main/precautions.php

> >

> >

> > What was it from the Earthing Co that you used?

> > No, you're not crazy. We are ten million strong and growing

> > by the day.

> > Lizzie

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > From: denisegetz@

> > Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:40:58 -0700

> > Subject: new to group

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I've newly become electrically-sensitive due to using one of the products

> > from the Earthing Co. This was supposed to be protective, but resulted in

> > massive overexposure to what, I don't know altogether. I'm trying to

> > comprehend what is happening to me, and I feel afraid, because I seem to be

> > reacting to so many things. I have Stetzer filters in my house now, which

> > seems to help, but going anywhere else is kind of a nightmare. Just needing

> > to connect with people that will understand that I am not crazy. Is there a

> > hotline anywhere with someone I could talk to? Thanks for your help...

> >

> >

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> Oh that's interesting! I'm glad I sent my grounding mat back. I live in

> an area with close to 300 antennas near by. So for me going out in my

> yard in my bare feet might be more injurious to me?

Presumably that would be okay... :-)

And presumably an Earthing grounding mat connected to a stake

in the soil would be okay as well. However, many of us connect

our grounding mats to the ground pin in a nearby power outlet,

which isn't exactly the same thing... who knows what kind of

frequencies are riding on your ground wires...

Marc

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No, you wouldn't want to ground in an area with 300 antennas nearby. As you

say, that could be more injurious. I would prefer only to ground in an area

with low EMF to begin with.

>

> Oh that's interesting! I'm glad I sent my grounding mat back. I live in an

area with close to 300 antennas near by. So for me going out in my yard in my

bare feet might be more injurious to me?

>  

> Loni

>  

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I have been told by a power quality specialist, that it isn't necessarily safe

to plug a grounding mat into the ground either. Apparently a large percentage of

our power supply in the US is returned to the substations via the earth. So,

there are ground currents that can be drawn inside and into the body via these

so-called grounding mats.

Please be very careful if you are using one of these, and even if you feel it is

a good thing for you. This product has devastated my health, and I feel

obligated to caution others.

>

> > Oh that's interesting! I'm glad I sent my grounding mat back. I live in

> > an area with close to 300 antennas near by. So for me going out in my

> > yard in my bare feet might be more injurious to me?

>

> Presumably that would be okay... :-)

>

> And presumably an Earthing grounding mat connected to a stake

> in the soil would be okay as well. However, many of us connect

> our grounding mats to the ground pin in a nearby power outlet,

> which isn't exactly the same thing... who knows what kind of

> frequencies are riding on your ground wires...

>

> Marc

>

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Thank you for that-I was going to order one soon and now I'm not going to.

Steve

> >

> > > Oh that's interesting! I'm glad I sent my grounding mat back. I live in

> > > an area with close to 300 antennas near by. So for me going out in my

> > > yard in my bare feet might be more injurious to me?

> >

> > Presumably that would be okay... :-)

> >

> > And presumably an Earthing grounding mat connected to a stake

> > in the soil would be okay as well. However, many of us connect

> > our grounding mats to the ground pin in a nearby power outlet,

> > which isn't exactly the same thing... who knows what kind of

> > frequencies are riding on your ground wires...

> >

> > Marc

> >

>

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Yes it seems to have the opposite effect somehow. Not good. However I talked to

someone that did find it useful. Loni

From: torch369 <torch369@...>

Subject: Re: new to group

Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 9:13 AM

 

Thank you for that-I was going to order one soon and now I'm not going to.

Steve

> >

> > > Oh that's interesting! I'm glad I sent my grounding mat back. I live in

> > > an area with close to 300 antennas near by. So for me going out in my

> > > yard in my bare feet might be more injurious to me?

> >

> > Presumably that would be okay... :-)

> >

> > And presumably an Earthing grounding mat connected to a stake

> > in the soil would be okay as well. However, many of us connect

> > our grounding mats to the ground pin in a nearby power outlet,

> > which isn't exactly the same thing... who knows what kind of

> > frequencies are riding on your ground wires...

> >

> > Marc

> >

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