Re: Re: Testing electrosensitives

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Your question:

Are you saying that all electrosensitive people above the threshold, people who

are extremely sensitive, should be excluded from tests?

You have mixed up here two separate things.

1. *electrosensitive people above the threshold*

2. *extremely sensitive*

If I touch your finger gently, you won't feel any pain.

When I hit your finger with a hammer, and touch it gently, or point even to it,

you will feel pain.

When I hit your finger again with the hammer, and touch it gently, or point even

to it, you will feel the same pain.

Not twice the pain.

My point is, that with all these tests on electrosensitive persons, my 7 points

were neglected.

And electrosensitives, who were already loaded with elektrosmog could not detect

the next elektrosmog sources, and thus the *scientists* claim, that nobody could

detect elektrosmog sources.

Sp, in mu opinion, the heavily electrosensitive persons, who are above the

threshold are not suitable for serious testing.

And also *normal*, not-electrosensitive persons are not suitable for testing.

Greetings,

Claessens

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Re: Testing electrosensitives

Hello ,

Just a question in relation to your statement that " for testing

elektrosensitives, it is important, that they must have the condition as in

figure 3 before the test. Persons according to figure 2 or figure 4 do not

qualify. "

Are you saying that all electrosensitive people above the threshold, people

who are extremely sensitive, should be excluded from tests?

Doesn't this rule out all heavily electrosensitive people, who never come back

down below the border threshold, and who are potentially, in theory, the most

suitable to test given their high sensitivity?

Or am I misunderstanding something?

You are right about the need for the body to be stabilised again after

exposure before the next test. Indeed, I have only ever seen one paper relating

to testing electrosensitivie people mention this, and it is still a poor enough

paper. See here:

www.avaate.org/IMG/doc/WHO_Seminar_paper_Final.doc

As an aside, in relation to the immune system I came across an interesting

piece that puts forward a proposal of how EMF exposure might stimulate an immune

response:

www.immunent.com/im/Immune_stimulation_in_Fish_and_Chicken.pdf

In it, the researchers hypothesize that stress to cells caused by EMF exposure

may produce the immune system messengers, called cytokines, that function as

alarms or so called danger signals for the immune system. They try to assess if

the stimulation of the immune system by the EMFs may help diseased fish, but I

would put forward that there could be the potential for stimulating the immune

system in a bad way, especially if your immune system is already impaired, and

may become more impaired through the exposure. I've looked at this paper on the

immune system:www.fiatalitas.hu/0-Out%20of%20Balance.pdf

It states that certain hormones, called glucocorticoids, coming from the

endocrine system, including cortisol, help prevent the immune system from

overshooting or mounting an overreactive immune response that can cause damage

to tissues and cells. Stress disrupts bidirectional communication between the

brain and immune system and can cause dysregulation of these signals coming from

the endocrine system. Therefore, it is possible that the glucocorticoid signals

are disrupted; the result may be reduced restraint on the immune system and

overproduction of proinflammatory cytokines.

I would put forward that because the immune system of electrosensitive people

are probably impaired, and become more so with exposure to EMFs, that some

electrosensitivity symptoms may be possibly caused by inflammation due to the

above disruption.

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> Hello,

>

> because I got fed up with all those engineers in highfrequency technique,

and physicists, who babble about testing electrosensitives, without the notion

of biology involved, I have written this piece.

>

> It is an open letter I wrote to a dutch commission.

> And this one I have tried to translate into english for your understanding.

> It is my personal view of things.

>

> It can be downloaded from:

> http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Rapporten/0717KennisplatformE.pdf

>

> Greetings,

> Claessens

> member Verband Baubiologie

> www.milieuziektes.nl

> www.milieuziektes.be

> www.hetbitje.nl

> checked by Norton

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The patient in that paper mainly responded to

the field being switched on and off 10 times per

second. We don't know if that caused RF transients..

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 10:12 AM, McArthur <hmcarthur@...>wrote:

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>

> Hi Everyone: This is a very good paper. For My personal experience I

> believe there are some people who are sensitive to frequencies while others

> like me are sensitive to just static electrical energies such as one pole of

> a magnet or battery.

> It the past I was treated several times by my Allergist with " Rife "

> frequencies. I did not react to them nor did I receive any benefit. As

> Always:

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is an amazing study for proof EMF causes pain. 

How is the pulsing strength compared to a cell phone or tower?  

Will they blame that she has

mild epilepsy w the MRI abnormality? How strong is an MRI. Must have been

terrible for her to go through that & the study.  They're not going to say we

all have partial epilepsy?

Will  read your opinion .

Kathy

From: ahappyhabitat <ahappyhabitat@...>

Subject: Re: Testing electrosensitives

A new study published in the International Journal of Neuroscience has

demonstrated electrosensitivity in a female doctor.

http://electromagnetichealth.org/electromagnetic-health-blog/ehs-paper/

>

> Hello,

>

> because I got fed up with all those engineers in highfrequency technique, and

physicists, who babble about testing electrosensitives, without the notion of

biology involved, I have written this piece.

>

> It is an open letter I wrote to a dutch commission.

> And this one I have tried to translate into english for your understanding.

> It is my personal view of things.

>

> It can be downloaded from:

> http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Rapporten/0717KennisplatformE.pdf

>

> Greetings,

> Claessens

> member Verband Baubiologie

> www.milieuziektes.nl

> www.milieuziektes.be

> www.hetbitje.nl

> checked by Norton

>

>

>