Re: Testing electrosensitives

[Guest guest]

Wow! Truly impressive.

What a truly beautiful piece of work!

And very well stated.

as my daughter would say: " Now THAT " S what I'm talking about! "

Lizzie

My gut tells me if you tested the aver joe blow, using 7 things, like: dirty

air, dect ph, cell phone mast, high magnetic fields, high ele fields AND

current in the water- you'd probably get a measurable reaction from every

person. One might have dropped blood pressure or raised blood pressure, another

low blood sugar, another a bad headache, another cramps in their feet. But

they'd ALL have a reaction, and probably reactions they'd had all along, but

didn't know the real cause.

From: charles@...

Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 19:00:09 +0200

Subject: Testing electrosensitives

Hello,

because I got fed up with all those engineers in highfrequency technique, and

physicists, who babble about testing electrosensitives, without the notion of

biology involved, I have written this piece.

It is an open letter I wrote to a dutch commission.

And this one I have tried to translate into english for your understanding.

It is my personal view of things.

It can be downloaded from:

http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Rapporten/0717KennisplatformE.pdf

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Norton

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

Just a question in relation to your statement that " for testing

elektrosensitives, it is important, that they must have the condition as in

figure 3 before the test. Persons according to figure 2 or figure 4 do not

qualify. "

Are you saying that all electrosensitive people above the threshold, people who

are extremely sensitive, should be excluded from tests?

Doesn't this rule out all heavily electrosensitive people, who never come back

down below the border threshold, and who are potentially, in theory, the most

suitable to test given their high sensitivity?

Or am I misunderstanding something?

You are right about the need for the body to be stabilised again after exposure

before the next test. Indeed, I have only ever seen one paper relating to

testing electrosensitivie people mention this, and it is still a poor enough

paper. See here:

www.avaate.org/IMG/doc/WHO_Seminar_paper_Final.doc

As an aside, in relation to the immune system I came across an interesting piece

that puts forward a proposal of how EMF exposure might stimulate an immune

response:

www.immunent.com/im/Immune_stimulation_in_Fish_and_Chicken.pdf

In it, the researchers hypothesize that stress to cells caused by EMF exposure

may produce the immune system messengers, called cytokines, that function as

alarms or so called danger signals for the immune system. They try to assess if

the stimulation of the immune system by the EMFs may help diseased fish, but I

would put forward that there could be the potential for stimulating the immune

system in a bad way, especially if your immune system is already impaired, and

may become more impaired through the exposure. I've looked at this paper on the

immune system:www.fiatalitas.hu/0-Out%20of%20Balance.pdf

It states that certain hormones, called glucocorticoids, coming from the

endocrine system, including cortisol, help prevent the immune system from

overshooting or mounting an overreactive immune response that can cause damage

to tissues and cells. Stress disrupts bidirectional communication between the

brain and immune system and can cause dysregulation of these signals coming from

the endocrine system. Therefore, it is possible that the glucocorticoid signals

are disrupted; the result may be reduced restraint on the immune system and

overproduction of proinflammatory cytokines.

I would put forward that because the immune system of electrosensitive people

are probably impaired, and become more so with exposure to EMFs, that some

electrosensitivity symptoms may be possibly caused by inflammation due to the

above disruption.

>

> Hello,

>

> because I got fed up with all those engineers in highfrequency technique, and

physicists, who babble about testing electrosensitives, without the notion of

biology involved, I have written this piece.

>

> It is an open letter I wrote to a dutch commission.

> And this one I have tried to translate into english for your understanding.

> It is my personal view of things.

>

> It can be downloaded from:

> http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Rapporten/0717KennisplatformE.pdf

>

> Greetings,

> Claessens

> member Verband Baubiologie

> www.milieuziektes.nl

> www.milieuziektes.be

> www.hetbitje.nl

> checked by Norton

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm glad you wrote this. If possible you could edit it for

publication as a letter to a journal? If so, it would make

sense to cite Dr. Bill Rea's paper, where he did follow

some of what you say, except he used a square wave generator

(probably analog). He also considered chemical exposures,

etc.

I would also add that not all metals cause increase in DC

and ELF magnetic field--primarily it's steel that does that

(and not stainless steel).

It is also very important to know what thresholds to look

for. I guess you are saying that 0.02 V/m is the right

ballpark; that is believable to me but there can be a range

around that, and if you can supply data or examples

that would be welcome.

Thanks,

Bill

On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 11:26 AM, thode <lizt777@...>wrote:

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>

>

> Wow! Truly impressive.

> What a truly beautiful piece of work!

> And very well stated.

> as my daughter would say: " Now THAT " S what I'm talking about! "

> Lizzie

> My gut tells me if you tested the aver joe blow, using 7 things, like:

> dirty air, dect ph, cell phone mast, high magnetic fields, high ele fields

> AND current in the water- you'd probably get a measurable reaction from

> every person. One might have dropped blood pressure or raised blood

> pressure, another low blood sugar, another a bad headache, another cramps in

> their feet. But they'd ALL have a reaction, and probably reactions they'd

> had all along, but didn't know the real cause.

>

>

>

> From: charles@...

> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 19:00:09 +0200

> Subject: Testing electrosensitives

>

>

> Hello,

>

> because I got fed up with all those engineers in highfrequency technique,

> and physicists, who babble about testing electrosensitives, without the

> notion of biology involved, I have written this piece.

>

> It is an open letter I wrote to a dutch commission.

> And this one I have tried to translate into english for your understanding.

> It is my personal view of things.

>

> It can be downloaded from:

> http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Rapporten/0717KennisplatformE.pdf

>

> Greetings,

> Claessens

> member Verband Baubiologie

> www.milieuziektes.nl

> www.milieuziektes.be

> www.hetbitje.nl

> checked by Norton

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for translating that .

I'm going to send it to a new acquaintence who has become es.

Actually there are two people the same friend asked me to talk

to who have become noticeably es, noticeable, because they can

no longer ignore it, and it's affecting their lives. One was

caused by strong mold exposures apparently. His ranch was flooded

3 times this year!

~ Snoshoe

>

> Hello,

>

> because I got fed up with all those engineers in highfrequency technique, and

physicists, who babble about testing electrosensitives, without the notion of

biology involved, I have written this piece.

>

> It is an open letter I wrote to a dutch commission.

> And this one I have tried to translate into english for your understanding.

> It is my personal view of things.

>

> It can be downloaded from:

> http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Rapporten/0717KennisplatformE.pdf

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone: This document is one of the best that I have read on the topic

Electro-sensitivities. I personally have MCS [ Multiple Chemical Sensitivities ]

.. In the past few years I have experience an decrease in my ability to tolerate

DC Electro Magnetic Fields. I can detect the radiation from a conducted in which

no current is flowing. I have done many experiments to determine that this is

actually happening. For an old Electrician of about 40 years this was hard for

me to believe as I have no problems with AC fields. Each time I conducted the

test the results were the same.

Here is one of the experiments that I performed.

Purpose:

To measure the DC Static radiation that my body will tolerate.

Material List:

1 Bare [ Conductor ] Rod [ Copper or Steel ] about 7 ft [ 2.13 meters ] long

1 Small jumper wire with alligator clips on each end.

1 9.0 Vdc. battery.

1 measuring tape 25 ft. [ 7.6 meters ] in length.

Experiment setup.

Select an area that has a minimum exposure to all types of external DC Electro

Magnetic Fields.

Place the rod in a vertical position [ leaning against a wall will work ]

Using the jumper cable connect the positive [ + ] Terminal of the battery to the

rod.

Conducting the test.

Step No.1 I would start walking slowly from a point 20 ft. [ 6.0 meters ]

towards the energized rod.

Step No.2 While I am walking towards the rod I would try to determine at what

distance I would begin to feel the effects to the radiation from the rod.

Step No.3 I would mark this point on the floor.

Step No.4 I would then measure and record the distance between my body and the

energized rod.

Observation Results:

As I walked slowly towards the rod at some point I would begin to feel the

sensation to fall backwards. I would have to catch my self or I would land on

the floor.

Computing the Experiment results:

I began to feel the DC radiation aprox. at a distance of 10 feet [ 3.04 meters ]

from the DC + energized rod.

To obtain a value of the amount of energy that my body was exposed to I use a

version on the " Inverse Square Law " .

Formula used: Battery Voltage / (( distance ) sq.) = the energy field strength

that my body was exposed to

Calculation Example [ using my own test values ] (Energy Source 9.0 Vdc.) /

(Distance sq. = 100 ) = ( Radiated Energy .09 Vdc. ).

Conclusions of My Experiments " I concluded that if the energy field in the area

of my body was greater that .09 Vdc I will become ill very quickly.

As I mentioned earlier I have Many Food and Chemical sensitivities. I have

included a link to a video that describes how I test foods and chemicals to

determine if I can actually tolerate them. I can also use this test to determine

the polarity of a battery that is located inside a battery enclosure such as a

watch battery.

My observations are as follows: if the pendulum rotate in a clockwise rotation

the + [ positive ] terminal is the closest to the pendulum. if the pendulum

rotate in a counter clockwise rotation the - [ negative ] terminal is the

closest to the pendulum.

Please Take some time to work with these 2 experiments and post your findings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV4_3a4eJD8

If you have question and comments you may also send them to my personal email.

As Always: . McArthur

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone: The test that I described earlier was done in the center of the

second floor of my 4 bedroom home. The vertical rod [ Antenna ] was energized to

same potential as the + terminal of the 9 Vdc battery. There was no WiFi or EMF

equipment operating at the time of this test. The only operating power system

would be the normal house wiring. The vertical distance down to the basement

floor would be about 17 ft.

My objective is to develop a test that will determine the level of sensitivity a

person is to Static Vdc Electrical Energy. I am hoping that some of the group

members will try this test and report their observation back to the group or to

my private email account. Thanks in advance. .

[Guest guest]

A new study published in the International Journal of Neuroscience has

demonstrated electrosensitivity in a female doctor.

http://electromagnetichealth.org/electromagnetic-health-blog/ehs-paper/

>

> Hello,

>

> because I got fed up with all those engineers in highfrequency technique, and

physicists, who babble about testing electrosensitives, without the notion of

biology involved, I have written this piece.

>

> It is an open letter I wrote to a dutch commission.

> And this one I have tried to translate into english for your understanding.

> It is my personal view of things.

>

> It can be downloaded from:

> http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Rapporten/0717KennisplatformE.pdf

>

> Greetings,

> Claessens

> member Verband Baubiologie

> www.milieuziektes.nl

> www.milieuziektes.be

> www.hetbitje.nl

> checked by Norton

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone: This is a very good paper. For My personal experience I believe

there are some people who are sensitive to frequencies while others like me are

sensitive to just static electrical energies such as one pole of a magnet or

battery.

It the past I was treated several times by my Allergist with " Rife " frequencies.

I did not react to them nor did I receive any benefit. As Always:

[Guest guest]

Hi: I have real concerns if I ever had to have a MRI done. In the past I have

had major reactions to the magnets that are found in small DC Automotive [ Fan ]

motors. I have wondered if an MRI would similar to a standard bar magnet and

cause similar type of mood changing symptoms.