Re: Re: Why am I not recovering at the off-grid cabin?

[Guest guest]

Yeah, I can't see the cell tower from the bottom of the hill. 

From: philworldwide <philworldwide@...>

Subject: Re: Why am I not recovering at the off-grid cabin?

Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 10:30 PM

 

You say that you feel better at the bottom of the hill. Does the hill

obscure line of sight from the celltower when you are at the bottom of it. As

mentioned above, if you're ES, strong reactions at 1 mile distance are very

possible. Peace x

[Guest guest]

I'm honestly not sure how far away the cell tower is. I can see it relatively

clearly, enuf to see those weird signal-distributing drum things all around it,

but if I look at it & pinch the image between my fingers, it's literally only

1/2 " tall. Maybe it's farther than a mile. I just know that I'm waking up w/

that feeling like my ocular & cranial nerves have been cooked a little bit (not

nearly as bad as w/ Smart Meters). There will be Smart Meters 1/4 mile away by

August/September, so if I moved to the bottom of the hill, I'd be closer to

that. I wish I could say I can just choose my poison, but all of it feels like

varying levels of torture, & knowing that this is happening b/c of basic human

greed & that all the EHSers efforts to stop it are being ignored, is really

psychologically damaging

From: ahappyhabitat <ahappyhabitat@...>

Subject: Re: Why am I not recovering at the off-grid cabin?

Date: Thursday, April 21, 2011, 9:39 AM

 

The demons will follow you. Give it

some time and perhaps you'll eventually

recover. When I went camping at Green Bank,

WV I still had all of my symptoms. Silly me

thought they would vanish overnight.

Though the RF was very low, there was

a lot of recovering required from the long

drive, and years of exposure to unwind.

Besides there was still driving to scout

the place. The power lines on the road

averaged 3-5 milli gauss - bummer.

Eli

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> Salut, all. I'm not getting much recovery at all since the Smart Meter

exposure in March. It feels a lot like what ppl describe as MS. Anyway, 2

possible contributing factors:

>

> 1) I live in a  tiny, 1-room cabin w/ a little loft/attic where I sleep. The

boat battery used for the solar is only about 20 feet from me, & altho I turn

everything off at nite (main disconnects, DC array collecting power from panel &

charging battery w/ it), maybe I'm still getting fx from it when I sleep

somehow?

>

> 2)The other factor is that I have a landline there. The owners installed it

themselves, & it runs from the bottom of the hill, mounted along trees all the

way up the hill, then runs across the cabin, underneath my bed. I can be pretty

close to regular (non-hi-transmission) power lines w/o much of a problem, so I'm

guessing it's the battery that's more of a problem, but don't have a way to tell

which it is.

>

> I noticed today that I don't feel so much intense burning, nausea & dizziness

when I go to the bottom of the hill & sleep in my car. But then that confuses

me, b/c there's a battery of similar power in my car, altho since it's

surrounded by metal parts, maybe I'm protected from it? Others have mentioned

being bothered by the solar panel itself. I just thought if you turn off

whatever distributes power from the panel to the battery, that the panel is just

" inert " , & so is the battery. Am I wrong? I was thinking of covering the battery

in thick tinfoil, or getting a Faraday canopy, but I can't afford the canopy &

have also heard others mentioning that shielding fabrics just make things worse?

Advice/suggestions welcome.

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> Love & blessings,

> E. Drew

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[Guest guest]

I am so with you on this frustration - as far as the drum things are

concerned they are hertzian repeaters and fire a pencil beam of high frequency

radiation over great distances to other such devices, you may well be feeling

the strafe from these beams if they are aiming in your direction, they may

well be shooting straight over your house

puk

In a message dated 22/04/2011 20:05:01 GMT Daylight Time,

necessejamais@... writes:

bottom of the hill, I'd be closer to that. I wish I could say I can just

choose my poison, but all of it feels like varying levels of torture, &

knowing that this is happening b/c of basic human greed & that all the EHSers

efforts to stop it are being ignored, is really psychologically damaging

[Guest guest]

I'm guessing you're right. I've now gotten so much more sensitive to my

cellphone, perhaps b/c the tower is so powerful (even tho. it's probably a

little over a mile away). After 1hr. of cellphone use, WITH a shielding hood

covering my head (but not covering my face) there's now CONSTANT muscle pain &

pressure around my cranial & ocular nerves, & in my legs, so much that I can

barely sleep anymore. I NEVER used to get leg muscle pain, even after 17 years

of Lyme disease. I really hope there's a special place in Heaven for people who

suffer constantly from exposures others refuse to acknowledge as a problem,

while being resented for being sick, even by those they most care about. My

family is upset with me for wanting to give up, but they don't realize I want to

give up b/c they keep ridiculing me for not having a job, even tho they know

that between illness & pain, pesticides, mold & Smart Meters, there's no safe

place I can work & I'm too sick to have a

regular schedule. Does anyone else have these issues? I'm only 25 and got chem.

sensitive at age 21, so I can't even look back fondly on those days when I had a

career & was able to provide for myself, b/c those days never even happened. 

In the words of Antony Hegarty: " I need another world. This one's nearly

gone. "  

From: paulpjc@... <paulpjc@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Why am I not recovering at the off-grid cabin?

Date: Saturday, April 23, 2011, 4:55 AM

 

I am so with you on this frustration - as far as the drum things are

concerned they are hertzian repeaters and fire a pencil beam of high frequency

radiation over great distances to other such devices, you may well be feeling

the strafe from these beams if they are aiming in your direction, they may

well be shooting straight over your house

puk

In a message dated 22/04/2011 20:05:01 GMT Daylight Time,

necessejamais@... writes:

bottom of the hill, I'd be closer to that. I wish I could say I can just

choose my poison, but all of it feels like varying levels of torture, &

knowing that this is happening b/c of basic human greed & that all the EHSers

efforts to stop it are being ignored, is really psychologically damaging

[Guest guest]

Elysia Drew wrote:

> I'm guessing you're right. I've now gotten so much more sensitive to my

cellphone, perhaps b/c the tower is so powerful (even tho. it's probably a

little over a mile away). After 1hr. of cellphone use,

Using a transmitter for one hour with EHS is sure to cause severe

symptoms that will take days if not weeks to recover from.

Even with shielding, the signal can not be erased at such short distances.

> problem, while being resented for being sick, even by those they most care

about. My family is upset with me for wanting to give up, but they don't realize

I want to give up b/c they keep ridiculing me

In other words, you feel like giving up because they call you a liar,

and they slander your name.

All because they have not walked in your, or our, shoes.

Maybe if you can gently explain it that way, they will rethink their

attitude, at least a little would be a step in the right direction.

Showing more empathy and love for fellow man is the greatest commandment.

> for not having a job, even tho they know that between illness & pain,

pesticides, mold & Smart Meters, there's no safe place I can work & I'm too sick

to have a

> regular schedule. Does anyone else have these issues?

Absolutely.

You touch my heart, and I'm sorry I can't provide more help.

[Guest guest]

I did it b/c I had shielding fabric on, which helped me be able to use it for 2

hrs. last time, but this time it seemed to backfire. 

From: ahappyhabitat <ahappyhabitat@...>

Subject: Re: Why am I not recovering at the off-grid cabin?

Date: Saturday, April 23, 2011, 10:15 AM

 

Did you say 1 hour of cell phone use?

Was that in one sitting?

No wonder your feeling horrible.

That's way, way too long. Cell phones should

be used for just a few seconds in case of

emergency, or text instead.

Eli

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> bottom of the hill, I'd be closer to that. I wish I could say I can just

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> choose my poison, but all of it feels like varying levels of torture, &

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> knowing that this is happening b/c of basic human greed & that all the EHSers

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> efforts to stop it are being ignored, is really psychologically damaging

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[Guest guest]

Hi, . My hugs, blessings & prayers go out to all you guys. It's strange,

b/c my folks recognize MCS and EHS at times, but then when I need help (ex., I

need $700 to get 2 cord of split wood transported up to the cabin by the fall),

they just totally resent me, & yet are willing to let my brother make all kinds

of mistakes: marrying someone he didn't love, ruining his credit, having kids

too early, having unstable employment, barely scraping by academically, & then

financially. It all comes down to money. Bottom line is I've cost them more

money b/c of all the medical bills, so I'm more of a disappointment, even tho

I'm a nicer, more compassionate person whose problems are due to environmental

factors completely beyond her control, rather than self-created mistakes like

partying too much, slacking off & not thinking anything through. Seems like all

of us who have unrecognized, yet extremely debilitating, chronic illnesses keep

encountering

situations similar to, or worse, than this. It would be so different if the

illnesses were recognized, b/c then family & friends would put the blame where

it belongs (on certain corporations & gov'ts) rather than blaming the victim. 

I've tried comparing enviro illness to plagues & disease that have wiped out

populations in the past, & I think in some ways enviro-illness is worse b/c it's

sthg. within our control. It's caused by greedy, apathetic petrochemical,

pharmaceutical & telecom industries & gov'ts. We could stop it, but society

chooses not to. There's something really disturbing & psychologically damaging

about that. It's not some bacteria that wipes out huge swaths of the population

& levels the biological playing field, but rather, it affects a relatively

amount of people at first, and when we try to speak out about it, we get

ostracized & get sicker from more exposures. 

It's also difficult not to feel like a disappointment not only to one's family,

but also to oneself and humanity, b/c not only can you not protect yourself,

it's become impossible to make this world a safe place for future generations. I

can't imagine what it must be like to be a tiny baby right now & have no chance

for my cells to develop properly b/c of constant interruption & disruption of

the bioelectrical intra & intercellular communication vital for survival & good

health. I think that, coupled w/ chemical exposures, the EMFs contribute heavily

to autism. Ex: I just found out my dad's friend's son, age 2, has autism. I

asked if the mom was on the computer a lot & was told she's an online gamer &

was online almost 24/7 when pregnant. I can't really fathom how society is going

to handle the health costs from this new level of EMF exposure.  

-E. Drew

> I'm guessing you're right. I've now gotten so much more sensitive to my

cellphone, perhaps b/c the tower is so powerful (even tho. it's probably a

little over a mile away). After 1hr. of cellphone use,

Using a transmitter for one hour with EHS is sure to cause severe

symptoms that will take days if not weeks to recover from.

Even with shielding, the signal can not be erased at such short distances.

> problem, while being resented for being sick, even by those they most care

about. My family is upset with me for wanting to give up, but they don't realize

I want to give up b/c they keep ridiculing me

In other words, you feel like giving up because they call you a liar,

and they slander your name.

All because they have not walked in your, or our, shoes.

Maybe if you can gently explain it that way, they will rethink their

attitude, at least a little would be a step in the right direction.

Showing more empathy and love for fellow man is the greatest commandment.

> for not having a job, even tho they know that between illness & pain,

pesticides, mold & Smart Meters, there's no safe place I can work & I'm too sick

to have a

> regular schedule. Does anyone else have these issues?

Absolutely.

You touch my heart, and I'm sorry I can't provide more help.

[Guest guest]

Its one of the biggest frustrations that comes with ES, only yesterday I

went into a pub to see my brother, he was with 2 other family members, he

asked me how I was, and so I told him it was the usual story, killing time out

of the house until the man over the road turns his Plasma Tv from hell off

at 9pm. They all lept down my throat evan though the way I expressed

myself was rather quiet and throwaway, all of a sudden the neandertal gene

kicked in and they were all ridiculling me, oh you dont want to see my new TV,

perhaps the man with the plasma is an alien, getting out their mobiles and

waving them about - all very insensitive, I then said to my cousin (as he

produced a blackberry from his pocket)on the fact had he read the blackberry

manual re holding it away from head and body, I said he better in case in

a few years he could be firing blanks ! ( he is only 21) He then became

defensive and said in a smarmy way, 99.9% of the population havent got a

problem, so putting the world and his wife against me - at this I started to

see red and asked him where was his evidence to support that statement, was

he an epidemiologist all of a sudden, why are you getting angry he said, cos

you are laughing at me ! then there was the mention of phychiatry, they

were pressing all the wrong buttons !!!grrr I left with the comment to my

brothers, that at least I still have a mairrage and a good family,(they are

divorced) despite all my struggles with ES which was a bit below the belt but

hey ! Perhaps in the back of their minds they are perplexed at how I can

hold a family together given all and sundry, that creates confusion and thus

predjudice in them ?

Basically I know where you are coming from not once in all these years

10-12yrs to be precise, has any family member given me an sensible supportive

advice, just ridicule or patronising comments and so on they have seen my

carreer go down the pan, ,e strugling to get a job and so on - its cruel,

sadly its a measure of their characters, you just have to deal with each event

blow by blow and keep up the hope and self belief and so on

puk

In a message dated 23/04/2011 17:26:17 GMT Daylight Time,

necessejamais@... writes:

attitude, at least a little would be a step in the right direction.

Showing more empathy and love for fellow man is the greatest commandment.

> for not having a job, even tho they know that between illness & pain,

pesticides, mold & Smart Meters, there's no safe place I can work & I'm too

sick to have a

> regular schedule. Does anyone else have these issues?

Absolutely.

You touch my heart, and I'm sorry I can't provide more help.

[Guest guest]

Give them this next time!

If wireless has no effect then how come?

I have the same problem with Friends and family, but when i give them this some

 start to think, maybe his not mad etc etc

Electro-Sensitivity

(ES)

Electro-sensitive

people suffer from a variety of symptoms in close vicinity to electromagnetic

fields, Wi-fi, mobiles, DECT phones, baby monitors, certain light sources etc:

Headaches, Speech problems, dizziness, chest palpations, tinnitus, sweating at

night. skin irritations, pins and needles in the hands in the mornings,

short-term memory loss, nauseas, joint aches and pressures at the back of the

head as well as in the sinus or forehead area.

 

Even if you are

not ES, it is beneficial to turn off your Wifi over night, as well as to ban

electrical items, your cordless phones and mobiles from your bedroom. You will

sleep much better and are less likely to have an interrupted sleep pattern.

Usually waking around 4 am.

 

Another simple test is to stop carrying your mobile

on your body (chest or trouser pockets). in many cases people experience the

so-called “phantom text messagesâ€. This describes a situation where every

now

and then you think you had a text message, when keeping the phone in your

pockets, but when you checked there was no message. Some even suffer from heart

palpitations. If that is case, just try for a while to carry your mobile in a

bag or switch it off, while you have it in your pocket.

 

Remember wireless has no effect????

From: paulpjc@... <paulpjc@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Why am I not recovering at the off-grid cabin?

Cc: roger.moller@...

Date: Sunday, 24 April, 2011, 9:58

 

Its one of the biggest frustrations that comes with ES, only yesterday I

went into a pub to see my brother, he was with 2 other family members, he

asked me how I was, and so I told him it was the usual story, killing time out

of the house until the man over the road turns his Plasma Tv from hell off

at 9pm. They all lept down my throat evan though the way I expressed

myself was rather quiet and throwaway, all of a sudden the neandertal gene

kicked in and they were all ridiculling me, oh you dont want to see my new TV,

perhaps the man with the plasma is an alien, getting out their mobiles and

waving them about - all very insensitive, I then said to my cousin (as he

produced a blackberry from his pocket)on the fact had he read the blackberry

manual re holding it away from head and body, I said he better in case in

a few years he could be firing blanks ! ( he is only 21) He then became

defensive and said in a smarmy way, 99.9% of the population havent got a

problem, so putting the world and his wife against me - at this I started to

see red and asked him where was his evidence to support that statement, was

he an epidemiologist all of a sudden, why are you getting angry he said, cos

you are laughing at me ! then there was the mention of phychiatry, they

were pressing all the wrong buttons !!!grrr I left with the comment to my

brothers, that at least I still have a mairrage and a good family,(they are

divorced) despite all my struggles with ES which was a bit below the belt but

hey ! Perhaps in the back of their minds they are perplexed at how I can

hold a family together given all and sundry, that creates confusion and thus

predjudice in them ?

Basically I know where you are coming from not once in all these years

10-12yrs to be precise, has any family member given me an sensible supportive

advice, just ridicule or patronising comments and so on they have seen my

carreer go down the pan, ,e strugling to get a job and so on - its cruel,

sadly its a measure of their characters, you just have to deal with each event

blow by blow and keep up the hope and self belief and so on

puk

In a message dated 23/04/2011 17:26:17 GMT Daylight Time,

necessejamais@... writes:

attitude, at least a little would be a step in the right direction.

Showing more empathy and love for fellow man is the greatest commandment.

> for not having a job, even tho they know that between illness & pain,

pesticides, mold & Smart Meters, there's no safe place I can work & I'm too

sick to have a

> regular schedule. Does anyone else have these issues?

Absolutely.

You touch my heart, and I'm sorry I can't provide more help.

[Guest guest]

Where did this come from?  Loni

From: paulpjc@... <paulpjc@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Why am I not recovering at the off-grid cabin?

Cc: roger.moller@...

Date: Sunday, 24 April, 2011, 9:58

 

Its one of the biggest frustrations that comes with ES, only yesterday I

went into a pub to see my brother, he was with 2 other family members, he

asked me how I was, and so I told him it was the usual story, killing time out

of the house until the man over the road turns his Plasma Tv from hell off

at 9pm. They all lept down my throat evan though the way I expressed

myself was rather quiet and throwaway, all of a sudden the neandertal gene

kicked in and they were all ridiculling me, oh you dont want to see my new TV,

perhaps the man with the plasma is an alien, getting out their mobiles and

waving them about - all very insensitive, I then said to my cousin (as he

produced a blackberry from his pocket)on the fact had he read the blackberry

manual re holding it away from head and body, I said he better in case in

a few years he could be firing blanks ! ( he is only 21) He then became

defensive and said in a smarmy way, 99.9% of the population havent got a

problem, so putting the world and his wife against me - at this I started to

see red and asked him where was his evidence to support that statement, was

he an epidemiologist all of a sudden, why are you getting angry he said, cos

you are laughing at me ! then there was the mention of phychiatry, they

were pressing all the wrong buttons !!!grrr I left with the comment to my

brothers, that at least I still have a mairrage and a good family,(they are

divorced) despite all my struggles with ES which was a bit below the belt but

hey ! Perhaps in the back of their minds they are perplexed at how I can

hold a family together given all and sundry, that creates confusion and thus

predjudice in them ?

Basically I know where you are coming from not once in all these years

10-12yrs to be precise, has any family member given me an sensible supportive

advice, just ridicule or patronising comments and so on they have seen my

carreer go down the pan, ,e strugling to get a job and so on - its cruel,

sadly its a measure of their characters, you just have to deal with each event

blow by blow and keep up the hope and self belief and so on

puk

In a message dated 23/04/2011 17:26:17 GMT Daylight Time,

necessejamais@... writes:

attitude, at least a little would be a step in the right direction.

Showing more empathy and love for fellow man is the greatest commandment.

> for not having a job, even tho they know that between illness & pain,

pesticides, mold & Smart Meters, there's no safe place I can work & I'm too

sick to have a

> regular schedule. Does anyone else have these issues?

Absolutely.

You touch my heart, and I'm sorry I can't provide more help.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that, daunting to say the least, my pain at present is severe

so apart from extraction looks like rcanal treatment is the only last

option. I am in the uk by the way.

thanks

In a message dated 25/04/2011 05:30:00 GMT Daylight Time,

emraware@... writes:

Well said. If we didn't know the cause of our symptoms, we would probably

find more sympathy, but because we know the cause, and people don't relate,

we find ridicule instead.

As the problem goes global, it should be easier to make people understand.

Show them some youtube videos from Japan, Germany, Canada, etc. of people

with EHS.

E.g.,

_