Guest guest Posted December 28, 2003 Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 > Was taking capsules each day . Needed to refill and found that they had > dextro in them which is a form of sweetner > so i stopped taking them Now i cant go again. So i took some unsweetened > powder form Now im dying with gas pains and expulsion of gas at inopportune > times > Hi h - Have you tried the psyllium powder? I'm not sure what you mean by " unsweetened powder " . I would stay away from Metamucil personally since it's sweetened & the sugar free one is artificial. The psyllium tastes horrid but it works well for me. Ellen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2003 Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 If anyone knows of some constipation relieving product to take in pill form let me know. I can tell you for my 7 yr. old daughter with candida Fibercon does nothing. Unfortunately what we found that worked like magic was prunes. (She told me she felt like a new kid after trying prunes!) But as most would suspect it did seem to trigger a yeast attack latter on in the evening when she took it in the morning. Someone told me that even though prunes are a dried fruit because they run through the system so fast they will not aggravate the yeast. Not the case for her. I'm really a bit worried because as this stuff starts to die out it will even be more important to keep things moving. She has had chronic constipation her entire life. Thanks, Kari Re: Metamucil > Was taking capsules each day . Needed to refill and found that they had > dextro in them which is a form of sweetner > so i stopped taking them Now i cant go again. So i took some unsweetened > powder form Now im dying with gas pains and expulsion of gas at inopportune > times > Hi h - Have you tried the psyllium powder? I'm not sure what you mean by " unsweetened powder " . I would stay away from Metamucil personally since it's sweetened & the sugar free one is artificial. The psyllium tastes horrid but it works well for me. Ellen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2003 Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 > If anyone knows of some constipation relieving product to take in pill form let me know. I can tell you for my 7 yr. old daughter with candida Fibercon does nothing. Unfortunately what we found that worked like magic was prunes. (She told me she felt like a new kid after trying prunes!) But as most would suspect it did seem to trigger a yeast attack latter on in the evening when she took it in the morning. Someone told me that even though prunes are a dried fruit because they run through the system so fast they will not aggravate the yeast. Not the case for her. I'm really a bit worried because as this stuff starts to die out it will even be more important to keep things moving. She has had chronic constipation her entire life. > Thanks, > Kari > I dare hardly say it , but constipation is also a thyroid symptom ( metabolism going to slow ) . If any of you guys want to know if you could have a thyroid problem , do the temperature test . It's simple and free . Take an old thermometre , shake it down and put it on your night stand . In the morning when you wake up , and with as little movement as possible , put the thermometre under your arm and leave it there for 10 minutes . The goal is to mesure your basal temperature , when your body is doing nothing but sustaining itself . Do not drink alcohol the day befor you mesure . Menstruating women should take their temperature on second , third and forth day of menstruation . If you are a man , a young girl , or menopaused , you can do it any day you want . The normal range in Celsius is 36,6 - 36,8 . In Farenheit I don't know , but I can look it up if anyone is interested . Or google for the Temperature Test . You can also ask your doc to test TSH , fT4 , fT3 . Insist on the " f " which means free or unbound . The total T4 and T3 tests are useless . AND the most important of all : don't believe your doc when he says that everything is normal !!!!! Ask for a copy of your test results and post the numbers together with the normal ranges . Docs have no idea how to interpret thyroid tests , that's why so many people out there are undiagnosed and suffering ! ne in France http://www.geocities.com/thyroide PS : If your temperature is low , this indicates hypothyroidism . If it is low and also varies a lot , up and down , you have chances to have also an adrenal problem . They go often hand in hand . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2003 Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 Hi Kari, Have you tried Prune juice instead of the dried prunes? Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2003 Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 Dear Kari, Sounds like your daughter needs a permanent solution rather than just a laxitive. My wife is an NMT Practitioner http://www.neuromodulationtechnique.com/ this has been very helpful in treating Candida. I will say the its founder Dr. Feinburg deserves a Nobel Prize for his ground breaking work in this revolutionary and highly effective technique. I would put him right up there with Rife. We have experienced large clearings, but this is still not enough even though she has not found any other microorganism she cannot eliminate through NMT including SARS! We use 3Lac http://www.ghtdirect.com/dolphindeb and a diet free of refined sugars and yeast and their products. I encourage you to look into all of the above. Blessings, Murray Kari Trautman <karitrautman@...> wrote: If anyone knows of some constipation relieving product to take in pill form let me know. I can tell you for my 7 yr. old daughter with candida Fibercon does nothing. Unfortunately what we found that worked like magic was prunes. (She told me she felt like a new kid after trying prunes!) But as most would suspect it did seem to trigger a yeast attack latter on in the evening when she took it in the morning. Someone told me that even though prunes are a dried fruit because they run through the system so fast they will not aggravate the yeast. Not the case for her. I'm really a bit worried because as this stuff starts to die out it will even be more important to keep things moving. She has had chronic constipation her entire life. Thanks, Kari Re: Metamucil > Was taking capsules each day . Needed to refill and found that they had > dextro in them which is a form of sweetner > so i stopped taking them Now i cant go again. So i took some unsweetened > powder form Now im dying with gas pains and expulsion of gas at inopportune > times > Hi h - Have you tried the psyllium powder? I'm not sure what you mean by " unsweetened powder " . I would stay away from Metamucil personally since it's sweetened & the sugar free one is artificial. The psyllium tastes horrid but it works well for me. Ellen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 > > Have you tried the psyllium powder? I'm not sure what you mean > by " unsweetened powder " . I would stay away from Metamucil personally > since it's sweetened & the sugar free one is artificial. The psyllium > tastes horrid but it works well for me. > > Ellen A better type of soluble fiber to use is a prebiotic one. Here's the reasoning: Although some resulted from antibiotic therapy, what got most people their bowel candida in the first place was a lack of prebiotic in the diet. Incorrect bowel bacteria don't protect you from candida infestation, so the candida moved in. So not only can you get a candida fluorish in the bowel when the bacteria are incorrect, but incorrect bowel bacteria also results in either constipation and diarrhea, or alternating between the two. Realizing this usually results in people using probiotic bacteria and prebiotics to feed them. When prebiotics are used, more of the correct bowel bacteria inhabit the intestines, and keep the incorrect bacteria and candida under control. The bonus is that prebiotics such as inulin and guar gum are also soluble fibers that improve bowel habit. But unlike guar gum, by using the inulin you can adjust the dose to suit without incident. Take as much as you need and drink lots of water. On the other hand, psyllium does not correct the problem of incorrect bacteria at all. On the contrary, some species of pathogenic bacteria, namely clostridia, can utilize the cellulose in psyllium, to turn it into sugars. So if you did have a clostridia fluorish you can actually feed it with psyllium (cellulose), and then feed yeasts with the sugars produced. And that's why some people can't even tolerate salad without getting diarrhea. Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 There is posiitively a possibility of taking too much fiber. It can "wash out" minerals. One can even feel it happening with the onset of unexplained fatigue along with the startling amount of "evacuation." Peg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 I did an archive search in this forum for Metamucil and psyllium and came up with nothing. It seems like if the claims made in the info from Center for Science in the Public Interest (Post 12001) were valid (that it lowered LDL 7%) this would be a hot supplement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 I never understood why it wasnt more popular. It also normalizes blood sugar, increases satiety, normalizes bowel function, and may reduce incidence of certain cancers. Maybe cause of the association of metamucil just being a laxative or " old " people. Here are a few studies with the first one being a meta analysis Jeff Am J Clin Nutr. 2000 Feb;71(2):472-9. Cholesterol-lowering effects of psyllium intake adjunctive to diet therapy in men and women with hypercholesterolemia: meta-analysis of 8 controlled trials. JW, Allgood LD, Lawrence A, Altringer LA, Jerdack GR, Hengehold DA, Morel JG. Veterans Affairs Medical Center and the University of Kentucky, Lexington, USA. jwandersmd@... BACKGROUND: Soluble fibers, including those from psyllium husk, have been shown to augment the cholesterol-lowering effects of a low-fat diet in persons with hypercholesterolemia. As evidence of this, the US Food and Drug Administration recently authorized the use of health claims on food products containing soluble fiber from psyllium that state that they are associated with a decreased risk of coronary heart disease. OBJECTIVE: This meta-analysis was conducted to more precisely define the hypolipidemic effects and safety of psyllium when used adjunctive to a low-fat diet in men and women with hypercholesterolemia. DESIGN: The 8 studies in the meta-analysis included a total of 384 and 272 subjects receiving psyllium or cellulose placebo, respectively. All studies evaluated the hypocholesterolemic effects of 10.2 g psyllium/d adjunctive to a low-fat diet for >/=8 wk in individuals with mild-to-moderate hypercholesterolemia after a low-fat diet lead-in phase lasting >/=8 wk. The safety and adverse events associated with psyllium consumption were summarized from pooled data of 19 clinical studies ranging from 6 wk to 6 mo in duration. RESULTS: Consumption of 10.2 g psyllium/d lowered serum total cholesterol by 4% (P < 0.0001), LDL cholesterol by 7% (P < 0.0001), and the ratio of apolipoprotein (apo) B to apo A-I by 6% (P < 0.05) relative to placebo in subjects already consuming a low-fat diet, with no effect on serum HDL or triacylglycerol concentrations. CONCLUSIONS: Psyllium supplementation significantly lowered serum total and LDL-cholesterol concentrations in subjects consuming a low-fat diet. Psyllium is well tolerated and safe when used adjunctive to a low-fat diet in individuals with mild-to-moderate hypercholesterolemia. Am J Clin Nutr. 2000 Jun;71(6):1433-8. Long-term cholesterol-lowering effects of psyllium as an adjunct to diet therapy in the treatment of hypercholesterolemia. JW, son MH, Blonde L, Brown WV, WJ, Ginsberg H, Allgood LD, Weingand KW. University of Kentucky and the Veterans Affairs Medical Center, Lexington, KY 40511, USA. jwandersmd@... BACKGROUND: Hypercholesterolemia is a major risk factor for coronary heart disease and nutrition management is the initial therapeutic approach. OBJECTIVE: This multicenter study evaluated the long-term effectiveness of psyllium husk fiber as an adjunct to diet in the treatment of persons with primary hypercholesterolemia. DESIGN: Men and women with hypercholesterolemia were recruited. After following an American Heart Association Step I diet for 8 wk (dietary adaptation phase), eligible subjects with serum LDL-cholesterol concentrations between 3.36 and 4.91 mmol/L were randomly assigned to receive either 5.1 g psyllium or a cellulose placebo twice daily for 26 wk while continuing diet therapy. RESULTS: Serum total and LDL-cholesterol concentrations were 4.7% and 6.7% lower in the psyllium group than in the placebo group after 24-26 wk (P < 0.001). Other outcome measures did not differ significantly between groups. CONCLUSIONS: Treatment with 5.1 g psyllium twice daily produces significant net reductions in serum total and LDL-cholesterol concentrations in men and women with primary hypercholesterolemia. Psyllium therapy is an effective adjunct to diet therapy and may provide an alternative to drug therapy for some patients. JAMA. 1989 Jun 16;261(23):3419-23. Cholesterol-lowering effects of psyllium hydrophilic mucilloid. Adjunct therapy to a prudent diet for patients with mild to moderate hypercholesterolemia. Bell LP, ne K, Reynolds H, Balm TK, Hunninghake DB. Department of Medicine, University of Minnesota, Minneapolis. Psyllium hydrophilic mucilloid was examined for its ability to lower serum cholesterol levels in hypercholesterolemic patients. Seventy-five patients with mild to moderate hypercholesterolemia were evaluated in this randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled parallel study. Patients were treated with a Step I diet for 12 weeks before receiving placebo or 3.4 g of psyllium (equivalent to 1 teaspoon) three times per day for 8 weeks. Compared with placebo, psyllium achieved an additional 4.8% reduction in total cholesterol level, 8.2% reduction in low-density lipoprotein cholesterol level, and 8.8% reduction in apolipoprotein B level. Psyllium did not significantly affect blood pressure or levels of high-density cholesterol, triglycerides, serum glucose, or iron. Reported adherence to diet and treatment was excellent, and no significant adverse side effects were noted. These results indicate psyllium hydrophilic mucilloid is an effective and well-tolerated adjunct to diet in the management of mild to moderate hypercholesterolemia. Am J Clin Nutr. 1999 Oct;70(4):466-73. Related Articles, Links Effects of psyllium on glucose and serum lipid responses in men with type 2 diabetes and hypercholesterolemia. JW, Allgood LD, J, Oeltgen PR, Daggy BP. Veterans Affairs Medical Center, the University of Kentucky, Lexington 40511, USA. Jwandersmd@... BACKGROUND: Water-soluble dietary fibers decrease postprandial glucose concentrations and decrease serum cholesterol concentrations. This study examined the effects of administering psyllium to men with type 2 diabetes. OBJECTIVE: The objective was to evaluate the safety and effectiveness of psyllium husk fiber used adjunctively to a traditional diet for diabetes in the treatment of men with type 2 diabetes and mild-to-moderate hypercholesterolemia. DESIGN: After a 2-wk dietary stabilization phase, 34 men with type 2 diabetes and mild-to-moderate hypercholesterolemia were randomly assigned to receive 5.1 g psyllium or cellulose placebo twice daily for 8 wk. Serum lipid and glycemic indexes were evaluated biweekly on an outpatient basis and at weeks 0 and 8 in a metabolic ward. RESULTS: In the metabolic ward, the psyllium group showed significant improvements in glucose and lipid values compared with the placebo group. Serum total and LDL-cholesterol concentrations were 8.9% (P < 0.05) and 13.0% (P = 0.07) lower, respectively, in the psyllium than in the placebo group. All-day and postlunch postprandial glucose concentrations were 11.0% (P < 0.05) and 19.2% (P < 0.01) lower in the psyllium than in the placebo group. Both products were well tolerated, with no serious adverse events related to treatment reported in either group. CONCLUSION: The addition of psyllium to a traditional diet for persons with diabetes is safe, is well tolerated, and improves glycemic and lipid control in men with type 2 diabetes and hypercholesterolemia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 Not necessarily. Lots of things can lower LDL. Low refined carb diet, low fat diet, various foods, and CR itself is quite powerful in this respect. My LDL without psyllium is 36 mg/dl. Why would I want it lower? And psyllium gives my GI tract fits. >From: " " <johnr9q@...> >Reply- > >Subject: [ ] METAMUCIL >Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 18:17:38 -0000 > >I did an archive search in this forum for Metamucil and psyllium and >came up with nothing. It seems like if the claims made in the info >from Center for Science in the Public Interest (Post 12001) were >valid (that it lowered LDL 7%) this would be a hot supplement? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 Great! Without guar or psyllium, my total went from low fat diet of 113 mg/dl to 155 mg/dl. Recently added guar. Tried psyllium, but perhaps there's such a thing as too much fiber (at least my GI system seems to think so.) >From: hsanborn2@... >Reply- > >Subject: Re: [ ] METAMUCIL >Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 16:15:02 EDT > > I would like to reiterate that I lowered my cholesteral total from >224 to 130 solely with the use daily of a combination of psyllium and guar, >this >over about a year. No CR, no dietary change, no drugs. CR is still the >goal. Peg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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