Guest guest Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 puk replies - Neil I trust that you have seen my youtube vids on this subject ie Plasma tv radiation mains and telecoms inducted, any way not all plasma tvs are equal certainly the Pioneer one that is soft killing me and my family and all those exposed daily to the emission is a bad bad bad one ! The AM radio simply gives you an audible manifestation of the signal, it is a god send, look at it when you do not have your plasma on and if you have a white noise hiss then think yourself lucky, the hiss is background radiation, but any prolonged continuous sound must be treated with suspicion. I have sampled a sound recently via the AM radio which I will send to , I pick this up off my wiring some nights, but strangely I picked it up in a remote location in Norway !! It sounds evil to me !! more on this, plus British Telecom has recall comtrend broadband over power line plugs due to their RFI noise, this has been relayed by the ammeter radio society of great britain, the also report on Smar meters and emf interference from solar panel systems concerning the inverters. Think of yourself as a ham radio and you can learn a lot from these guys, they of course steer well clear of any health issues relating to emf and ham radio !!! fu....ing hypocrites ! puk In a message dated 27/11/2010 20:49:10 GMT Standard Time, charles@... writes: From: Neil R _ _ (mailto: ) Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 9:11 PM Subject: AM radio Can someone explain more the validity of using the AM radio to determine the EMF noise coming off a Plasma TV. I ask because mine is screaming off the charts. Thanks Neil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 This radiation is what I call *dirty air* It consists of frequencies in the kHz region. So from 5 kHz up to 800 kHz, and sometimes even up to 10 MHz. And an AM radio can pick up those signals. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton AM radio Can someone explain more the validity of using the AM radio to determine the EMF noise coming off a Plasma TV. I ask because mine is screaming off the charts. Thanks Neil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 Hi Puk. Thanks for the info. My Plasma is a Vizio 60 inch. My AM radio goes nuts with several high pitch and loud sounds when I turn it on. And I noticed on mine it effects the Radio even 3-5 feet away. I plan on making a quick film of mine and putting it on YouTube also. Neil From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of paulpjc@... Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 1:53 PM Subject: Re: AM radio puk replies - Neil I trust that you have seen my youtube vids on this subject ie Plasma tv radiation mains and telecoms inducted, any way not all plasma tvs are equal certainly the Pioneer one that is soft killing me and my family and all those exposed daily to the emission is a bad bad bad one ! The AM radio simply gives you an audible manifestation of the signal, it is a god send, look at it when you do not have your plasma on and if you have a white noise hiss then think yourself lucky, the hiss is background radiation, but any prolonged continuous sound must be treated with suspicion. I have sampled a sound recently via the AM radio which I will send to , I pick this up off my wiring some nights, but strangely I picked it up in a remote location in Norway !! It sounds evil to me !! more on this, plus British Telecom has recall comtrend broadband over power line plugs due to their RFI noise, this has been relayed by the ammeter radio society of great britain, the also report on Smar meters and emf interference from solar panel systems concerning the inverters. Think of yourself as a ham radio and you can learn a lot from these guys, they of course steer well clear of any health issues relating to emf and ham radio !!! fu....ing hypocrites ! puk In a message dated 27/11/2010 20:49:10 GMT Standard Time, charles@... <mailto:charles%40milieuziektes.be> writes: From: Neil R _ <mailto:_%40> _ (mailto: <mailto:%40> ) Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 9:11 PM Subject: AM radio Can someone explain more the validity of using the AM radio to determine the EMF noise coming off a Plasma TV. I ask because mine is screaming off the charts. Thanks Neil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 hI NEIL, can you pick up the sound from the plasma 30m away from it or on your walls, wires all conductive things in around the house ? I would say that you would of course pick up noise fromn a TV that large if you were within say 5 perhaps 10ms that's a given, but what about the latter does this occur please let me know, if so you know what to do with the TV, as it will be passively irradiating the whole neighbourhoud with LF spikey frequencies. puk In a message dated 28/11/2010 00:39:55 GMT Standard Time, ndrofca@... writes: Hi Puk. Thanks for the info. My Plasma is a Vizio 60 inch. My AM radio goes nuts with several high pitch and loud sounds when I turn it on. And I noticed on mine it effects the Radio even 3-5 feet away. I plan on making a quick film of mine and putting it on YouTube also. Neil From: _ _ (mailto: ) [mailto:_ _ (mailto: ) ] On Behalf Of _paulpjc@..._ (mailto:paulpjc@...) Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 1:53 PM _ _ (mailto: ) Subject: Re: AM radio puk replies - Neil I trust that you have seen my youtube vids on this subject ie Plasma tv radiation mains and telecoms inducted, any way not all plasma tvs are equal certainly the Pioneer one that is soft killing me and my family and all those exposed daily to the emission is a bad bad bad one ! The AM radio simply gives you an audible manifestation of the signal, it is a god send, look at it when you do not have your plasma on and if you have a white noise hiss then think yourself lucky, the hiss is background radiation, but any prolonged continuous sound must be treated with suspicion. I have sampled a sound recently via the AM radio which I will send to , I pick this up off my wiring some nights, but strangely I picked it up in a remote location in Norway !! It sounds evil to me !! more on this, plus British Telecom has recall comtrend broadband over power line plugs due to their RFI noise, this has been relayed by the ammeter radio society of great britain, the also report on Smar meters and emf interference from solar panel systems concerning the inverters. Think of yourself as a ham radio and you can learn a lot from these guys, they of course steer well clear of any health issues relating to emf and ham radio !!! fu....ing hypocrites ! puk In a message dated 27/11/2010 20:49:10 GMT Standard Time, _charles@..._ (mailto:charles@...) <mailto:charles%40milieuziektes.be> writes: From: Neil R __ _ (mailto:_ ) <mailto:_%40> _ (mailto:_ _ (mailto: ) <mailto:%40> ) Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 9:11 PM Subject: AM radio Can someone explain more the validity of using the AM radio to determine the EMF noise coming off a Plasma TV. I ask because mine is screaming off the charts. Thanks Neil [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 Hi , I’m no actor but I just placed my video results of using an AM radio to detect EMF coming off Plasma and LCD monitor I have in my home. Feel free to look and listen and temm me your thoughts. To me the noise alone says enough. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of paulpjc@... Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 3:37 AM Subject: Re: AM radio hI NEIL, can you pick up the sound from the plasma 30m away from it or on your walls, wires all conductive things in around the house ? I would say that you would of course pick up noise fromn a TV that large if you were within say 5 perhaps 10ms that's a given, but what about the latter does this occur please let me know, if so you know what to do with the TV, as it will be passively irradiating the whole neighbourhoud with LF spikey frequencies. puk In a message dated 28/11/2010 00:39:55 GMT Standard Time, ndrofca@... <mailto:ndrofca%40comcast.net> writes: Hi Puk. Thanks for the info. My Plasma is a Vizio 60 inch. My AM radio goes nuts with several high pitch and loud sounds when I turn it on. And I noticed on mine it effects the Radio even 3-5 feet away. I plan on making a quick film of mine and putting it on YouTube also. Neil From: _ <mailto:_%40> _ (mailto: <mailto:%40> ) [mailto:_ <mailto:_%40> _ (mailto: <mailto:%40> ) ] On Behalf Of _paulpjc@... <mailto:_paulpjc%40aol.com> _ (mailto:paulpjc@... <mailto:paulpjc%40aol.com> ) Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 1:53 PM _ <mailto:_%40> _ (mailto: <mailto:%40> ) Subject: Re: AM radio puk replies - Neil I trust that you have seen my youtube vids on this subject ie Plasma tv radiation mains and telecoms inducted, any way not all plasma tvs are equal certainly the Pioneer one that is soft killing me and my family and all those exposed daily to the emission is a bad bad bad one ! The AM radio simply gives you an audible manifestation of the signal, it is a god send, look at it when you do not have your plasma on and if you have a white noise hiss then think yourself lucky, the hiss is background radiation, but any prolonged continuous sound must be treated with suspicion. I have sampled a sound recently via the AM radio which I will send to , I pick this up off my wiring some nights, but strangely I picked it up in a remote location in Norway !! It sounds evil to me !! more on this, plus British Telecom has recall comtrend broadband over power line plugs due to their RFI noise, this has been relayed by the ammeter radio society of great britain, the also report on Smar meters and emf interference from solar panel systems concerning the inverters. Think of yourself as a ham radio and you can learn a lot from these guys, they of course steer well clear of any health issues relating to emf and ham radio !!! fu....ing hypocrites ! puk In a message dated 27/11/2010 20:49:10 GMT Standard Time, _charles@... <mailto:_charles%40milieuziektes.be> _ (mailto:charles@... <mailto:charles%40milieuziektes.be> ) <mailto:charles%40milieuziektes.be> writes: From: Neil R __ <mailto:__%40> _ (mailto:_ <mailto:_%40> ) <mailto:_%40> _ (mailto:_ <mailto:_%40> _ (mailto: <mailto:%40> ) <mailto:%40> ) Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 9:11 PM Subject: AM radio Can someone explain more the validity of using the AM radio to determine the EMF noise coming off a Plasma TV. I ask because mine is screaming off the charts. Thanks Neil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 Hi neil, yes good vid, youtube is a good medium for this, but for veteran essers like myself the revelation that any tv gives off RF and can be picked up at close quarters with an AM radio is old news, what is more significant is wether the TV is allowing RF to be conducted into the mains wiring (depends on circuit design and component quality etc) if it occurs you will get what I have tried to demonstrate on my videos concerning a Pioneer 42 inch plasma TV 30m over the road. When this goes on you may as well sit on top of the thing even though it is in another house over the road as all the local wiring and telecoms re-radiates and conducts the signal escaping from the TV and as you pointed out it seems to change with the picture changing thus we have a very spikey biologically hazardous emission to deal with. The plasma tvs operate at high voltage and in the unfortunate scenario as I have, this gives a push to the signal !!!! basically all the wiring we have and indeed you have will be acting as unintentional re-radiating antennas, so be warned, the hairs and crystals in your ears are not infinate, what also of our fluid filled sack called eyes, and our fatty moist brains and so on. You should check wether the TV is doing what I said may be happening ie check and see if you can pick up the noise on the radio say downstairs on say a metal light fitting or a fishtank or your radiators or as per my vid, the conductive plants in the garden !! Aside this, there should be warnings on these TVS to advise on considerate positioning of them as you can see now they give off masses of LF radiowaves and these will travel through walls - think on this hyperthetically imagine a couple on the other side of the dividing wall (less than 300mm thick) sitting behind your TV, imagine worse still a baby in a metal cot on a metal sprung matress, who may be lying close to the digital baby monitor and its transformer - what a unlucky start in life hey... In a message dated 29/11/2010 05:37:13 GMT Standard Time, calicocat477@... writes: Neil, All I can say is Wow! Is it less w an LCD? What can we do about it? What do you pick up from electric in the house? We tried a portable radio & it screamed in front of the computer screen. I have to work on shielding. Kathy From: Neil R <_ndrofca@..._ (mailto:ndrofca@...) > Subject: RE: AM radio _ _ (mailto: ) Date: Sunday, November 28, 2010, 11:29 PM Hi , I’m no actor but I just placed my video results of using an AM radio to detect EMF coming off Plasma and LCD monitor I have in my home. Feel free to look and listen and temm me your thoughts. To me the noise alone says enough. _ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 Neil, All I can say is Wow! Is it less w an LCD? What can we do about it? What do you pick up from electric in the house? We tried a portable radio & it screamed in front of the computer screen. I have to work on shielding. Kathy From: Neil R <ndrofca@...> Subject: RE: AM radio Date: Sunday, November 28, 2010, 11:29 PM  Hi , I’m no actor but I just placed my video results of using an AM radio to detect EMF coming off Plasma and LCD monitor I have in my home. Feel free to look and listen and temm me your thoughts. To me the noise alone says enough. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of paulpjc@... Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 3:37 AM Subject: Re: AM radio hI NEIL, can you pick up the sound from the plasma 30m away from it or on your walls, wires all conductive things in around the house ? I would say that you would of course pick up noise fromn a TV that large if you were within say 5 perhaps 10ms that's a given, but what about the latter does this occur please let me know, if so you know what to do with the TV, as it will be passively irradiating the whole neighbourhoud with LF spikey frequencies. puk In a message dated 28/11/2010 00:39:55 GMT Standard Time, ndrofca@... <mailto:ndrofca%40comcast.net> writes: Hi Puk. Thanks for the info. My Plasma is a Vizio 60 inch. My AM radio goes nuts with several high pitch and loud sounds when I turn it on. And I noticed on mine it effects the Radio even 3-5 feet away. I plan on making a quick film of mine and putting it on YouTube also. Neil From: _ <mailto:_%40> _ (mailto: <mailto:%40> ) [mailto:_ <mailto:_%40> _ (mailto: <mailto:%40> ) ] On Behalf Of _paulpjc@... <mailto:_paulpjc%40aol.com> _ (mailto:paulpjc@... <mailto:paulpjc%40aol.com> ) Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 1:53 PM _ <mailto:_%40> _ (mailto: <mailto:%40> ) Subject: Re: AM radio puk replies - Neil I trust that you have seen my youtube vids on this subject ie Plasma tv radiation mains and telecoms inducted, any way not all plasma tvs are equal certainly the Pioneer one that is soft killing me and my family and all those exposed daily to the emission is a bad bad bad one ! The AM radio simply gives you an audible manifestation of the signal, it is a god send, look at it when you do not have your plasma on and if you have a white noise hiss then think yourself lucky, the hiss is background radiation, but any prolonged continuous sound must be treated with suspicion. I have sampled a sound recently via the AM radio which I will send to , I pick this up off my wiring some nights, but strangely I picked it up in a remote location in Norway !! It sounds evil to me !! more on this, plus British Telecom has recall comtrend broadband over power line plugs due to their RFI noise, this has been relayed by the ammeter radio society of great britain, the also report on Smar meters and emf interference from solar panel systems concerning the inverters. Think of yourself as a ham radio and you can learn a lot from these guys, they of course steer well clear of any health issues relating to emf and ham radio !!! fu....ing hypocrites ! puk In a message dated 27/11/2010 20:49:10 GMT Standard Time, _charles@... <mailto:_charles%40milieuziektes.be> _ (mailto:charles@... <mailto:charles%40milieuziektes.be> ) <mailto:charles%40milieuziektes.be> writes: From: Neil R __ <mailto:__%40> _ (mailto:_ <mailto:_%40> ) <mailto:_%40> _ (mailto:_ <mailto:_%40> _ (mailto: <mailto:%40> ) <mailto:%40> ) Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 9:11 PM Subject: AM radio Can someone explain more the validity of using the AM radio to determine the EMF noise coming off a Plasma TV. I ask because mine is screaming off the charts. Thanks Neil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 > Use an AM radio Question: An AM Radio is commonly recommended here as an alternative to an EMF meter. An AM Radio receives signals from 500 - 1600 khz. I'm wondering if there would be any advantage in seeking out a radio that receives " longwave " broadcasts (150 - 300 khz), or " shortwave " broadcasts (1700 - 30000 khz). Perhaps there are some harmful frequencies that would be picked up by these radios that are not picked up by an AM Radio? Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 For a while I had one. It picked up some things, but usually I found using it in AM mode was sufficient. I think for most sources, it's better to have as big a bandwidth as possible. Cheaper radios usually have broader bandwidth. I'm also starting to think, if you get to really big bandwidth, you want to make sure the system is " phase linear " which means only first order filters (The Ramsey ABM1 has incredible 18MHz bandwidth, but the filters are not first order so the bandwidth is basically wasted unless you build it from the kit version and bypass the filters). The MFJ-856 has about 100kHz bandwidth, versus about 10kHz for an AM radio, and I have reason to think it is phase linear. There is also a version with a smaller nondirectional antenna which LessEMF sells as the Power Line Noise Finder or something. I think anyone who has $160 left after buying their microwave meter should get one of these. A Tri-field meter is good to have too, (with 100x external probe if you have low enough fields) but for some people the MFJ-856 will be more important. On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Marc <marc@...> wrote: > > > > Use an AM radio > > Question: > > An AM Radio is commonly recommended here as an alternative to an EMF meter. > An AM Radio receives signals from 500 - 1600 khz. > > I'm wondering if there would be any advantage in seeking out a radio > that receives " longwave " broadcasts (150 - 300 khz), or " shortwave " > broadcasts (1700 - 30000 khz). Perhaps there are some harmful frequencies > that would be picked up by these radios that are not picked up by an AM > Radio? > > Marc > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Isn't the Stetzer filter in a working range of 4kHz to 100kHz so Isn't the AM radio a bit out of range with its 500 - 1600 khz Marc ? If you take a good feeling approach for filtering effectiveness maybe the narow 4kHz to 100kHz filtering capability of the stetzer arent enoughf ? The RxDNA is approximately 5 Khz to 500 Khz in range ...maybe this does make a difference for some ! The guy who prone me these one told me about his particular home condition and the bad feeling he got with the Stetzer filter as they actually worsen the problem (more EMF)and then install the RxDNA and had such a calm feeling after installing them so that's why I was asking if they where really that good ! Anyway I have 2 old 70's hand held 9V AM radio ... Im gonna make some more test to try this theory > > > > > > > > Use an AM radio > > > > Question: > > > > An AM Radio is commonly recommended here as an alternative to an EMF meter. > > An AM Radio receives signals from 500 - 1600 khz. > > > > I'm wondering if there would be any advantage in seeking out a radio > > that receives " longwave " broadcasts (150 - 300 khz), or " shortwave " > > broadcasts (1700 - 30000 khz). Perhaps there are some harmful frequencies > > that would be picked up by these radios that are not picked up by an AM > > Radio? > > > > Marc > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 An HP Network Analyzer would be cool-- probably too expensive, though: http://www.dxengineering.com/TechArticles.asp?ID={1D9AAC83-E591-46D4-86AE-B84F1C\ BF1D62} Check youtube for lots of videos about plasma TV RFI. Ham radio operators notice. > > > > > > > > Use an AM radio > > > > Question: > > > > An AM Radio is commonly recommended here as an alternative to an EMF meter. > > An AM Radio receives signals from 500 - 1600 khz. > > > > I'm wondering if there would be any advantage in seeking out a radio > > that receives " longwave " broadcasts (150 - 300 khz), or " shortwave " > > broadcasts (1700 - 30000 khz). Perhaps there are some harmful frequencies > > that would be picked up by these radios that are not picked up by an AM > > Radio? > > > > Marc > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 The AM radio will pick up harmonics emited by the filters - puk In a message dated 15/01/2011 07:28:13 GMT Standard Time, marc@... writes: Isn't the Stetzer filter in a working range of 4kHz to 100kHz so Isn't > the AM radio a bit out of range with its 500 - 1600 khz Marc ? Only if one is using an AM radio to test Stetzer filters... :-) I'm more interested in using AM radios to test unfiltered electronics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 > Isn't the Stetzer filter in a working range of 4kHz to 100kHz so Isn't > the AM radio a bit out of range with its 500 - 1600 khz Marc ? Only if one is using an AM radio to test Stetzer filters... :-) I'm more interested in using AM radios to test unfiltered electronics. > The RxDNA is approximately 5 Khz to 500 Khz in range ...maybe this does > make a difference for some ! Hmmm, I've got a filter which has a far greater range than the Stetzerizer filter, but it makes me feel worse in the same way as the Stetzer filter. So there's more to it than simply frequency range -- I just don't seem to do well with the parallel capacitor shunt filters. > The guy who prone me these one told me about his particular home > condition and the bad feeling he got with the Stetzer filter as they > actually worsen the problem (more EMF)and then install the RxDNA and had > such a calm feeling after installing them so that's why I was asking if > they where really that good ! See, now that's a more interesting testimony -- someone who felt bad from the Stetzer filter but better with the RxDNA. (I've got some " Noise Harvesters " from PS Audio, which turn noise into light instead of heat, but never noticed any improvement from these) Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 > > > Isn't the Stetzer filter in a working range of 4kHz to 100kHz so Isn't > > the AM radio a bit out of range with its 500 - 1600 khz Marc ? > > Only if one is using an AM radio to test Stetzer filters... :-) > I'm more interested in using AM radios to test unfiltered electronics. > > > The RxDNA is approximately 5 Khz to 500 Khz in range ...maybe this does > > make a difference for some ! > > Hmmm, I've got a filter which has a far greater range than the Stetzerizer > filter, but it makes me feel worse in the same way as the Stetzer filter. > So there's more to it than simply frequency range -- I just don't > seem to do well with the parallel capacitor shunt filters. Well are all the devices you tried an kinna fail your testing all base on Capacitor storing,filtering or converting to good energy ? This seems to be the problem so far ... > > > The guy who prone me these one told me about his particular home > > condition and the bad feeling he got with the Stetzer filter as they > > actually worsen the problem (more EMF)and then install the RxDNA and had > > such a calm feeling after installing them so that's why I was asking if > > they where really that good ! > > See, now that's a more interesting testimony -- someone who felt > bad from the Stetzer filter but better with the RxDNA. > > (I've got some " Noise Harvesters " from PS Audio, which > turn noise into light instead of heat, but never noticed any > improvement from these) Are these units also have a capacitor system to store and then burn (in a way of saying it)the extra into light ? If the light flash it should be store till enough then discharge the capacitor into a flash of light! > > Marc > Funny what you can do with energy ... I use to test a tiny radiant energy device that with only 30 milliamps DC ,I can load a big capacitor by capturing the energy spikes with it up to 200-300 Volts and made a heck of a snap when discharging it ! The capacitor or a lead battery is able to store and change that useless to mankind energy to useful one but Is the process EMF free ? So I'm am wondering with all the spikes of energy in the wiring how can a tiny led light do much good as can it burn all that energy with just one unit ???? Yes maybe with 20 or 30 units ???...Correct me if I'm wrong ! But is the processing EMF free ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 What are harmonics? Loni From: paulpjc@... <paulpjc@...> Subject: Re: Re: AM radio Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 3:38 AM  The AM radio will pick up harmonics emited by the filters - puk In a message dated 15/01/2011 07:28:13 GMT Standard Time, marc@... writes: Isn't the Stetzer filter in a working range of 4kHz to 100kHz so Isn't > the AM radio a bit out of range with its 500 - 1600 khz Marc ? Only if one is using an AM radio to test Stetzer filters... :-) I'm more interested in using AM radios to test unfiltered electronics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 By harmonics is meant the integer multiples of 60 Hz, where 60 Hz = 60 cycles per second. Thus, * 120Hz is the 2nd harmonic on the 60 Hz system, and * 180 Hz is the 3rd harmonic on the 60 Hz system, etc. It's also used analogously as a a musical term. You can see what it might look like pictorially at http://library.thinkquest.org/C005705/English/sound/sound5.htm > > > From: paulpjc@... <paulpjc@...> > Subject: Re: Re: AM radio > > Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 3:38 AM > The AM radio will pick up harmonics emited by the filters - puk > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Neil,
All I can say is Wow! Is it less w an LCD? What can we do about it? What do you
pick up
from electric in the house?
We tried a portable radio & it screamed in front of the computer screen. I have
to work on shielding.
Kathy
From: Neil R <ndrofca@...>
Subject: RE: AM radio
Date: Sunday, November 28, 2010, 11:29 PM
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Hi , I’m no actor but I just placed my video results of using
an AM radio to detect EMF coming off Plasma and LCD monitor I have in my home.
Feel free to look and listen and temm me your thoughts. To me the noise alone
says enough.
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paulpjc@...
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 3:37 AM
Subject: Re: AM radio
hI NEIL, can you pick up the sound from the plasma 30m away from it or on
your walls, wires all conductive things in around the house ? I would say
that you would of course pick up noise fromn a TV that large if you were
within say 5 perhaps 10ms that's a given, but what about the latter does this
occur please let me know, if so you know what to do with the TV, as it will
be passively irradiating the whole neighbourhoud with LF spikey
frequencies.
puk
In a message dated 28/11/2010 00:39:55 GMT Standard Time,
ndrofca@... <mailto:ndrofca%40comcast.net> writes:
Hi Puk. Thanks for the info. My Plasma is a Vizio 60 inch. My AM radio goes
nuts with several high pitch and loud sounds when I turn it on. And I
noticed on mine it effects the Radio even 3-5 feet away. I plan on making a
quick film of mine and putting it on YouTube also.
Neil
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puk replies - Neil I trust that you have seen my youtube vids on this
subject ie Plasma tv radiation mains and telecoms inducted, any way not
all
plasma tvs are equal certainly the Pioneer one that is soft killing me and
my
family and all those exposed daily to the emission is a bad bad bad one !
The AM radio simply gives you an audible manifestation of the signal, it is
a
god send, look at it when you do not have your plasma on and if you have a
white noise hiss then think yourself lucky, the hiss is background
radiation, but any prolonged continuous sound must be treated with
suspicion. I
have sampled a sound recently via the AM radio which I will send to
,
I pick this up off my wiring some nights, but strangely I picked it up in
a remote location in Norway !! It sounds evil to me !! more on this, plus
British Telecom has recall comtrend broadband over power line plugs due to
their RFI noise, this has been relayed by the ammeter radio society of
great
britain, the also report on Smar meters and emf interference from solar
panel systems concerning the inverters.
Think of yourself as a ham radio and you can learn a lot from these guys,
they of course steer well clear of any health issues relating to emf and
ham
radio !!! fu....ing hypocrites !
puk
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Can someone explain more the validity of using the AM radio to determine
the
EMF noise coming off a Plasma TV. I ask because mine is screaming off the
charts.
Thanks
Neil
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> Use an AM radio
Question:
An AM Radio is commonly recommended here as an alternative to an EMF meter.
An AM Radio receives signals from 500 - 1600 khz.
I'm wondering if there would be any advantage in seeking out a radio
that receives " longwave " broadcasts (150 - 300 khz), or " shortwave "
broadcasts (1700 - 30000 khz). Perhaps there are some harmful frequencies
that would be picked up by these radios that are not picked up by an AM Radio?
Marc
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For a while I had one. It picked up some things, but
usually I found using it in AM mode was sufficient.
I think for most sources, it's better to have as big a bandwidth
as possible. Cheaper radios usually have broader bandwidth.
I'm also starting to think, if you get to really big bandwidth,
you want to make sure the system is " phase linear " which
means only first order filters (The Ramsey ABM1 has incredible
18MHz bandwidth, but the filters are not first order so the bandwidth
is basically wasted unless you build it from the kit version and
bypass the filters).
The MFJ-856 has about 100kHz bandwidth, versus about 10kHz
for an AM radio, and I have reason to think it is phase linear.
There is also a version with a smaller nondirectional antenna
which LessEMF sells as the Power Line Noise Finder or something.
I think anyone who has $160 left after buying their microwave
meter should get one of these. A Tri-field meter is good to have
too, (with 100x external probe if you have low enough fields)
but for some people the MFJ-856 will be more important.
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Marc <marc@...> wrote:
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> > Use an AM radio
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> Question:
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> An AM Radio is commonly recommended here as an alternative to an EMF meter.
> An AM Radio receives signals from 500 - 1600 khz.
>
> I'm wondering if there would be any advantage in seeking out a radio
> that receives " longwave " broadcasts (150 - 300 khz), or " shortwave "
> broadcasts (1700 - 30000 khz). Perhaps there are some harmful frequencies
> that would be picked up by these radios that are not picked up by an AM
> Radio?
>
> Marc
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Isn't the Stetzer filter in a working range of 4kHz to 100kHz so Isn't the AM
radio a bit out of range with its 500 - 1600 khz Marc ?
If you take a good feeling approach for filtering effectiveness maybe the narow
4kHz to 100kHz filtering capability of the stetzer arent enoughf ?
The RxDNA is approximately 5 Khz to 500 Khz in range ...maybe this does make a
difference for some !
The guy who prone me these one told me about his particular home condition and
the bad feeling he got with the Stetzer filter as they actually worsen the
problem (more EMF)and then install the RxDNA and had such a calm feeling after
installing them so that's why I was asking if they where really that good !
Anyway I have 2 old 70's hand held 9V AM radio ... Im gonna make some more test
to try this theory
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> > An AM Radio receives signals from 500 - 1600 khz.
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> > I'm wondering if there would be any advantage in seeking out a radio
> > that receives " longwave " broadcasts (150 - 300 khz), or " shortwave "
> > broadcasts (1700 - 30000 khz). Perhaps there are some harmful frequencies
> > that would be picked up by these radios that are not picked up by an AM
> > Radio?
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> > Marc
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An HP Network Analyzer would be cool-- probably too expensive, though:
http://www.dxengineering.com/TechArticles.asp?ID={1D9AAC83-E591-46D4-86AE-B84F1C\
BF1D62}
Check youtube for lots of videos about plasma TV RFI. Ham radio operators
notice.
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> > Question:
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> > An AM Radio is commonly recommended here as an alternative to an EMF meter.
> > An AM Radio receives signals from 500 - 1600 khz.
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> > I'm wondering if there would be any advantage in seeking out a radio
> > that receives " longwave " broadcasts (150 - 300 khz), or " shortwave "
> > broadcasts (1700 - 30000 khz). Perhaps there are some harmful frequencies
> > that would be picked up by these radios that are not picked up by an AM
> > Radio?
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> > Marc
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The AM radio will pick up harmonics emited by the filters - puk
In a message dated 15/01/2011 07:28:13 GMT Standard Time,
marc@... writes:
Isn't the Stetzer filter in a working range of 4kHz to 100kHz so Isn't
> the AM radio a bit out of range with its 500 - 1600 khz Marc ?
Only if one is using an AM radio to test Stetzer filters... :-)
I'm more interested in using AM radios to test unfiltered electronics.
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> Isn't the Stetzer filter in a working range of 4kHz to 100kHz so Isn't
> the AM radio a bit out of range with its 500 - 1600 khz Marc ?
Only if one is using an AM radio to test Stetzer filters... :-)
I'm more interested in using AM radios to test unfiltered electronics.
> The RxDNA is approximately 5 Khz to 500 Khz in range ...maybe this does
> make a difference for some !
Hmmm, I've got a filter which has a far greater range than the Stetzerizer
filter, but it makes me feel worse in the same way as the Stetzer filter.
So there's more to it than simply frequency range -- I just don't
seem to do well with the parallel capacitor shunt filters.
> The guy who prone me these one told me about his particular home
> condition and the bad feeling he got with the Stetzer filter as they
> actually worsen the problem (more EMF)and then install the RxDNA and had
> such a calm feeling after installing them so that's why I was asking if
> they where really that good !
See, now that's a more interesting testimony -- someone who felt
bad from the Stetzer filter but better with the RxDNA.
(I've got some " Noise Harvesters " from PS Audio, which
turn noise into light instead of heat, but never noticed any
improvement from these)
Marc
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> > Isn't the Stetzer filter in a working range of 4kHz to 100kHz so Isn't
> > the AM radio a bit out of range with its 500 - 1600 khz Marc ?
>
> Only if one is using an AM radio to test Stetzer filters... :-)
> I'm more interested in using AM radios to test unfiltered electronics.
>
> > The RxDNA is approximately 5 Khz to 500 Khz in range ...maybe this does
> > make a difference for some !
>
> Hmmm, I've got a filter which has a far greater range than the Stetzerizer
> filter, but it makes me feel worse in the same way as the Stetzer filter.
> So there's more to it than simply frequency range -- I just don't
> seem to do well with the parallel capacitor shunt filters.
Well are all the devices you tried an kinna fail your testing all base on
Capacitor storing,filtering or converting to good energy ?
This seems to be the problem so far ...
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> > The guy who prone me these one told me about his particular home
> > condition and the bad feeling he got with the Stetzer filter as they
> > actually worsen the problem (more EMF)and then install the RxDNA and had
> > such a calm feeling after installing them so that's why I was asking if
> > they where really that good !
>
> See, now that's a more interesting testimony -- someone who felt
> bad from the Stetzer filter but better with the RxDNA.
>
> (I've got some " Noise Harvesters " from PS Audio, which
> turn noise into light instead of heat, but never noticed any
> improvement from these)
Are these units also have a capacitor system to store and then burn (in a way of
saying it)the extra into light ?
If the light flash it should be store till enough then discharge the capacitor
into a flash of light!
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> Marc
>
Funny what you can do with energy ...
I use to test a tiny radiant energy device that with only 30 milliamps DC ,I can
load a big capacitor by capturing the energy spikes with it up to 200-300 Volts
and made a heck of a snap when discharging it !
The capacitor or a lead battery is able to store and change that useless to
mankind energy to useful one but Is the process EMF free ?
So I'm am wondering with all the spikes of energy in the wiring how can a tiny
led light do much good as can it burn all that energy with just one unit ????
Yes maybe with 20 or 30 units ???...Correct me if I'm wrong !
But is the processing EMF free ?
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What are harmonics? Loni
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Subject: Re: Re: AM radio
Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 3:38 AM
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The AM radio will pick up harmonics emited by the filters - puk
In a message dated 15/01/2011 07:28:13 GMT Standard Time,
marc@... writes:
Isn't the Stetzer filter in a working range of 4kHz to 100kHz so Isn't
> the AM radio a bit out of range with its 500 - 1600 khz Marc ?
Only if one is using an AM radio to test Stetzer filters... :-)
I'm more interested in using AM radios to test unfiltered electronics.
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By harmonics is meant the integer multiples of 60 Hz, where 60 Hz = 60 cycles
per second.
Thus,
* 120Hz is the 2nd harmonic on the 60 Hz system, and
* 180 Hz is the 3rd harmonic on the 60 Hz system, etc.
It's also used analogously as a a musical term. You can see what it might look
like pictorially at
http://library.thinkquest.org/C005705/English/sound/sound5.htm
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> From: paulpjc@... <paulpjc@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: AM radio
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> Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 3:38 AM
> The AM radio will pick up harmonics emited by the filters - puk
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