Re: bizarre tinnitus effects

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Sounds natural in such surroundings.

You should move to another office.

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bizarre tinnitus effects

> Lately I've noticed a rather loud high tone when doing certain

> computer tasks on my office computer. I thought it was a real

> tone from the monitor because if I covered my ears it got quieter.

>

> Now I find that it is not real. Depending on the exact position of my

> head and hands, I can make it turn off by applying slight pressure

> above my ear using two fingers. Or wrapping my left arm over my

> head and putting that hand near my right ear, the sound can be

> turned off and on by turning my head by about 5 degrees.

> Or I can turn the sound on and off by just touching a finger from

> that hand in front of my right ear. Putting a thin piece of cardboard

> between the finger and head I was no longer able to get switching.

>

> In this case the loud tone was in my right ear. There's also a quieter

> and higher (almost ultrasonic) tone in my left ear which remained

> constant (that ear's been ringing a couple days now in quiet

> envrionmnets).

>

> This office has aluminum on the walls and may have some interesting

> electrical properties. Anyone heard of anything like this? I'm not sure

> it will work the same tomorrow but while it was working the sound would

> turn on and off instantly, and reliably. I could easily have sent Morse

> code.

>

> Using an Electrosmog Meter I get 20 mV/m max (50 MHz-3.5GHz).

> Trifield ~.2 milligauss. I am near my Mac keyboard and mouse that emit AM

> band RF.

>

> Bill

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately tinnitus seems to be a pretty common ES effect (often much

more continous/widespread than yours). It's good that you can turn it off

though! But beware, it could be an early warning sign.

Ian

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From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Bill

Bruno

Sent: 09 January 2008 22:49

esens

Subject: bizarre tinnitus effects

Lately I've noticed a rather loud high tone when doing certain

computer tasks on my office computer. I thought it was a real

tone from the monitor because if I covered my ears it got quieter.

Now I find that it is not real. Depending on the exact position of my

head and hands, I can make it turn off by applying slight pressure

above my ear using two fingers. Or wrapping my left arm over my

head and putting that hand near my right ear, the sound can be

turned off and on by turning my head by about 5 degrees.

Or I can turn the sound on and off by just touching a finger from

that hand in front of my right ear. Putting a thin piece of cardboard

between the finger and head I was no longer able to get switching.

In this case the loud tone was in my right ear. There's also a quieter

and higher (almost ultrasonic) tone in my left ear which remained

constant (that ear's been ringing a couple days now in quiet envrionmnets).

This office has aluminum on the walls and may have some interesting

electrical properties. Anyone heard of anything like this? I'm not sure

it will work the same tomorrow but while it was working the sound would

turn on and off instantly, and reliably. I could easily have sent Morse

code.

Using an Electrosmog Meter I get 20 mV/m max (50 MHz-3.5GHz).

Trifield ~.2 milligauss. I am near my Mac keyboard and mouse that emit AM

band RF.

Bill

[Guest guest]

Bill, There have been times when I've sat at my desk and there has been a

frequency sound begin. I found when I turned my head to one side it stopped

then when I turned my head back it started again. If you cover your ears

with your hands it will stop until you move your hands away. At times it's

made me feel a nauseas and disorientated.

It seems to be when the emf is high but is not experienced all the time when

it reads high.

Maureen

bizarre tinnitus effects

> Lately I've noticed a rather loud high tone when doing certain

> computer tasks on my office computer. I thought it was a real

> tone from the monitor because if I covered my ears it got quieter.

>

> Now I find that it is not real. Depending on the exact position of my

> head and hands, I can make it turn off by applying slight pressure

> above my ear using two fingers. Or wrapping my left arm over my

> head and putting that hand near my right ear, the sound can be

> turned off and on by turning my head by about 5 degrees.

> Or I can turn the sound on and off by just touching a finger from

> that hand in front of my right ear. Putting a thin piece of cardboard

> between the finger and head I was no longer able to get switching.

>

> In this case the loud tone was in my right ear. There's also a quieter

> and higher (almost ultrasonic) tone in my left ear which remained

> constant (that ear's been ringing a couple days now in quiet

envrionmnets).

>

> This office has aluminum on the walls and may have some interesting

> electrical properties. Anyone heard of anything like this? I'm not sure

> it will work the same tomorrow but while it was working the sound would

> turn on and off instantly, and reliably. I could easily have sent Morse

> code.

>

> Using an Electrosmog Meter I get 20 mV/m max (50 MHz-3.5GHz).

> Trifield ~.2 milligauss. I am near my Mac keyboard and mouse that emit AM

> band RF.

>

> Bill

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think this is something slightly different to the tinnitus problem caused

by high emf, albeit of a similar nature.

Maureen

bizarre tinnitus effects

>

>

>

> Lately I've noticed a rather loud high tone when doing certain

> computer tasks on my office computer. I thought it was a real

> tone from the monitor because if I covered my ears it got quieter.

>

> Now I find that it is not real. Depending on the exact position of my

> head and hands, I can make it turn off by applying slight pressure

> above my ear using two fingers. Or wrapping my left arm over my

> head and putting that hand near my right ear, the sound can be

> turned off and on by turning my head by about 5 degrees.

> Or I can turn the sound on and off by just touching a finger from

> that hand in front of my right ear. Putting a thin piece of cardboard

> between the finger and head I was no longer able to get switching.

>

> In this case the loud tone was in my right ear. There's also a quieter

> and higher (almost ultrasonic) tone in my left ear which remained

> constant (that ear's been ringing a couple days now in quiet

envrionmnets).

>

> This office has aluminum on the walls and may have some interesting

> electrical properties. Anyone heard of anything like this? I'm not sure

> it will work the same tomorrow but while it was working the sound would

> turn on and off instantly, and reliably. I could easily have sent Morse

> code.

>

> Using an Electrosmog Meter I get 20 mV/m max (50 MHz-3.5GHz).

> Trifield ~.2 milligauss. I am near my Mac keyboard and mouse that emit AM

> band RF.

>

> Bill

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/10/2008 8:44:13 AM GMT Standard Time,

charles@... writes:

Lately I've noticed a rather loud high tone when doing certain

> computer tasks on my office computer. I thought it was a real

> tone from the monitor because if I covered my ears it got quieter.

>

This is common for me but cant seem to stop it by touch I can make it louder

if I grit my teeth ? A few nights ago I was lying in my bed awake about

2-3am when a low pitch sound appeared in my ears for approx 1minute, now that

was spooky.

- UK PS When my tinitus gets ultrasonic I know Iam truly poisened by

EMF !!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/10/2008 1:26:14 AM GMT Standard Time,

m.a.norman@... writes:

Bill, There have been times when I've sat at my desk and there has been a

frequency sound begin. I found when I turned my head to one side it stopped

then when I turned my head back it started again. If you cover your ears

with your hands it will stop until you move your hands away. At times it's

made me feel a nauseas and disorientated.

It seems to be when the

Probably the resisters in the monitor infront of you especially common with

CRT Vdu

paul uk

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/10/2008 6:01:30 PM GMT Standard Time, wbruno@...

writes:

On Jan 10, 2008 11:00 AM, Bill Bruno <_wbruno@..._

(mailto:wbruno@...) > wrote:

> I was told by a guy from Sweden that in high school his teacher

> told them to clench their back teeth for a minute. Most of the

> boys could hear a ringing but not the girls, and the teacher

> said this was typical. But generally the tone stops as soon as

> the teeth are relaxed. The guy is now grown up and it still works.

> I tried it and it worked too but the ringing did not stop right away for

> me...

>

> Bill

MAYBE WE ARE TALKING PEIZO ELECTRIC EFFECTS ?

uk

[Guest guest]

Tinnitus is a serious symptom of electrosensitivity, especially

from using computers, at least for me. After a sauna my tinnitus

usually gets much worse for several hours. It can be releived

somewhat after replenishing the ions lost while sweating.

So it's my estimation that tinnitus can be inflamed by several

stimuli. Loud noise, electromagnetism, and may be from a deficiency

in certain essential ions.

Eli

[Guest guest]

I was told by a guy from Sweden that in high school his teacher

told them to clench their back teeth for a minute. Most of the

boys could hear a ringing but not the girls, and the teacher

said this was typical. But generally the tone stops as soon as

the teeth are relaxed. The guy is now grown up and it still works.

I tried it and it worked too but the ringing did not stop right away for

me...

Bill

On Jan 10, 2008 5:47 AM, <paulpjc@...> wrote:

>

> In a message dated 1/10/2008 8:44:13 AM GMT Standard Time,

>

> charles@... <charles%40milieuziektes.be> writes:

>

> Lately I've noticed a rather loud high tone when doing certain

> > computer tasks on my office computer. I thought it was a real

> > tone from the monitor because if I covered my ears it got quieter.

> >

>

> This is common for me but cant seem to stop it by touch I can make it

> louder

> if I grit my teeth ? A few nights ago I was lying in my bed awake about

> 2-3am when a low pitch sound appeared in my ears for approx 1minute, now

> that

> was spooky.

>

> - UK PS When my tinitus gets ultrasonic I know Iam truly poisened by

> EMF !!

>

>

[Guest guest]

I meant to say clench teeth for a second, not a minute.

On Jan 10, 2008 11:00 AM, Bill Bruno <wbruno@...> wrote:

> I was told by a guy from Sweden that in high school his teacher

> told them to clench their back teeth for a minute. Most of the

> boys could hear a ringing but not the girls, and the teacher

> said this was typical. But generally the tone stops as soon as

> the teeth are relaxed. The guy is now grown up and it still works.

> I tried it and it worked too but the ringing did not stop right away for

> me...

>

> Bill

>

>

>

>

> On Jan 10, 2008 5:47 AM, < paulpjc@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > In a message dated 1/10/2008 8:44:13 AM GMT Standard Time,

> >

> > charles@... <charles%40milieuziektes.be> writes:

> >

> > Lately I've noticed a rather loud high tone when doing certain

> > > computer tasks on my office computer. I thought it was a real

> > > tone from the monitor because if I covered my ears it got quieter.

> > >

> >

> > This is common for me but cant seem to stop it by touch I can make it

> > louder

> > if I grit my teeth ? A few nights ago I was lying in my bed awake about

> > 2-3am when a low pitch sound appeared in my ears for approx 1minute, now

> > that

> > was spooky.

> >

> > - UK PS When my tinitus gets ultrasonic I know Iam truly poisened

> > by

> > EMF !!

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hello,

Although I also suffer from tinnitus, I don't know much about it so

I've just prepared a new Links folder called " Tinnitus " . None of the

websites I've read seem to know about EMF or EHS.

Elektrose

>

> Lately I've noticed a rather loud high tone when doing certain

> computer tasks on my office computer. I thought it was a real

> tone from the monitor because if I covered my ears it got quieter.

>

> Now I find that it is not real. Depending on the exact position of my

> head and hands, I can make it turn off by applying slight pressure

> above my ear using two fingers. Or wrapping my left arm over my

> head and putting that hand near my right ear, the sound can be

> turned off and on by turning my head by about 5 degrees.

> Or I can turn the sound on and off by just touching a finger from

> that hand in front of my right ear. Putting a thin piece of cardboard

> between the finger and head I was no longer able to get switching.

>

> In this case the loud tone was in my right ear. There's also a quieter

> and higher (almost ultrasonic) tone in my left ear which remained

> constant (that ear's been ringing a couple days now in quiet

envrionmnets).

>

> This office has aluminum on the walls and may have some interesting

> electrical properties. Anyone heard of anything like this? I'm not

sure

> it will work the same tomorrow but while it was working the sound would

> turn on and off instantly, and reliably. I could easily have sent Morse

> code.

>

> Using an Electrosmog Meter I get 20 mV/m max (50 MHz-3.5GHz).

> Trifield ~.2 milligauss. I am near my Mac keyboard and mouse that

emit AM

> band RF.

>

> Bill

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It is remarkable how info on tinnitus never mentions Frey's microwave

hearing

effect. The peak intensity of the radar he used was stronger than what

is found around town, but he also had 70dB of white noise in his

experiments.

He wrote in 1998 that he thought cell phones could cause headaches...

Bill

On Jan 10, 2008 3:03 PM, elektrose <elektrose@...> wrote:

> Hello,

>

> Although I also suffer from tinnitus, I don't know much about it so

> I've just prepared a new Links folder called " Tinnitus " . None of the

> websites I've read seem to know about EMF or EHS.

>

> Elektrose

>

>

>

> >

> > Lately I've noticed a rather loud high tone when doing certain

> > computer tasks on my office computer. I thought it was a real

> > tone from the monitor because if I covered my ears it got quieter.

> >

> > Now I find that it is not real. Depending on the exact position of my

> > head and hands, I can make it turn off by applying slight pressure

> > above my ear using two fingers. Or wrapping my left arm over my

> > head and putting that hand near my right ear, the sound can be

> > turned off and on by turning my head by about 5 degrees.

> > Or I can turn the sound on and off by just touching a finger from

> > that hand in front of my right ear. Putting a thin piece of cardboard

> > between the finger and head I was no longer able to get switching.

> >

> > In this case the loud tone was in my right ear. There's also a quieter

> > and higher (almost ultrasonic) tone in my left ear which remained

> > constant (that ear's been ringing a couple days now in quiet

> envrionmnets).

> >

> > This office has aluminum on the walls and may have some interesting

> > electrical properties. Anyone heard of anything like this? I'm not

> sure

> > it will work the same tomorrow but while it was working the sound would

> > turn on and off instantly, and reliably. I could easily have sent Morse

> > code.

> >

> > Using an Electrosmog Meter I get 20 mV/m max (50 MHz-3.5GHz).

> > Trifield ~.2 milligauss. I am near my Mac keyboard and mouse that

> emit AM

> > band RF.

> >

> > Bill

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Would you explain how you do a clay bath? How much of what do you

put in the bathtub, how long do you stay in, etc.

Christy

On Jan 10, 2008, at 5:46 PM, <scollier@...> wrote:

> The only thing that I have found that helps with the ears is when I

> take a clay bath to put a finger over my ear and then soak that

> side of my head under water in the clay bath. Over time it has help

> quite a bit with my hearing. I have been doing clay baths about 5

> days a week for about 10 months now.

> bizarre tinnitus effects

> >

> >

> >

> > Lately I've noticed a rather loud high tone when doing certain

> > computer tasks on my office computer. I thought it was a real

> > tone from the monitor because if I covered my ears it got quieter.

> >

> > Now I find that it is not real. Depending on the exact position

> of my

> > head and hands, I can make it turn off by applying slight pressure

> > above my ear using two fingers. Or wrapping my left arm over my

> > head and putting that hand near my right ear, the sound can be

> > turned off and on by turning my head by about 5 degrees.

> > Or I can turn the sound on and off by just touching a finger from

> > that hand in front of my right ear. Putting a thin piece of

> cardboard

> > between the finger and head I was no longer able to get switching.

> >

> > In this case the loud tone was in my right ear. There's also a

> quieter

> > and higher (almost ultrasonic) tone in my left ear which remained

> > constant (that ear's been ringing a couple days now in quiet

> envrionmnets).

> >

> > This office has aluminum on the walls and may have some interesting

> > electrical properties. Anyone heard of anything like this? I'm

> not sure

> > it will work the same tomorrow but while it was working the sound

> would

> > turn on and off instantly, and reliably. I could easily have sent

> Morse

> > code.

> >

> > Using an Electrosmog Meter I get 20 mV/m max (50 MHz-3.5GHz).

> > Trifield ~.2 milligauss. I am near my Mac keyboard and mouse that

> emit AM

> > band RF.

> >

> > Bill

> >

[Guest guest]

The only thing that I have found that helps with the ears is when I take a clay

bath to put a finger over my ear and then soak that side of my head under water

in the clay bath. Over time it has help quite a bit with my hearing. I have

been doing clay baths about 5 days a week for about 10 months now.

bizarre tinnitus effects

>

>

>

> Lately I've noticed a rather loud high tone when doing certain

> computer tasks on my office computer. I thought it was a real

> tone from the monitor because if I covered my ears it got quieter.

>

> Now I find that it is not real. Depending on the exact position of my

> head and hands, I can make it turn off by applying slight pressure

> above my ear using two fingers. Or wrapping my left arm over my

> head and putting that hand near my right ear, the sound can be

> turned off and on by turning my head by about 5 degrees.

> Or I can turn the sound on and off by just touching a finger from

> that hand in front of my right ear. Putting a thin piece of cardboard

> between the finger and head I was no longer able to get switching.

>

> In this case the loud tone was in my right ear. There's also a quieter

> and higher (almost ultrasonic) tone in my left ear which remained

> constant (that ear's been ringing a couple days now in quiet

envrionmnets).

>

> This office has aluminum on the walls and may have some interesting

> electrical properties. Anyone heard of anything like this? I'm not sure

> it will work the same tomorrow but while it was working the sound would

> turn on and off instantly, and reliably. I could easily have sent Morse

> code.

>

> Using an Electrosmog Meter I get 20 mV/m max (50 MHz-3.5GHz).

> Trifield ~.2 milligauss. I am near my Mac keyboard and mouse that emit AM

> band RF.

>

> Bill

>

>

[Guest guest]

How about www.eurotinnitus.com

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

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Re: bizarre tinnitus effects

> Hello,

>

> Although I also suffer from tinnitus, I don't know much about it so

> I've just prepared a new Links folder called " Tinnitus " . None of the

> websites I've read seem to know about EMF or EHS.

>

> Elektrose

>

[Guest guest]

Eytonsearth is a good group to direct your questions to. They are the

experts.

bizarre tinnitus effects

> >

> >

> >

> > Lately I've noticed a rather loud high tone when doing certain

> > computer tasks on my office computer. I thought it was a real

> > tone from the monitor because if I covered my ears it got quieter.

> >

> > Now I find that it is not real. Depending on the exact position

> of my

> > head and hands, I can make it turn off by applying slight pressure

> > above my ear using two fingers. Or wrapping my left arm over my

> > head and putting that hand near my right ear, the sound can be

> > turned off and on by turning my head by about 5 degrees.

> > Or I can turn the sound on and off by just touching a finger from

> > that hand in front of my right ear. Putting a thin piece of

> cardboard

> > between the finger and head I was no longer able to get switching.

> >

> > In this case the loud tone was in my right ear. There's also a

> quieter

> > and higher (almost ultrasonic) tone in my left ear which remained

> > constant (that ear's been ringing a couple days now in quiet

> envrionmnets).

> >

> > This office has aluminum on the walls and may have some interesting

> > electrical properties. Anyone heard of anything like this? I'm

> not sure

> > it will work the same tomorrow but while it was working the sound

> would

> > turn on and off instantly, and reliably. I could easily have sent

> Morse

> > code.

> >

> > Using an Electrosmog Meter I get 20 mV/m max (50 MHz-3.5GHz).

> > Trifield ~.2 milligauss. I am near my Mac keyboard and mouse that

> emit AM

> > band RF.

> >

> > Bill

> >

[Guest guest]

I should have mentioned the monitor I've been using the last few weeks is

an old CRT trinitron. I'll probably try switching back to the flat panel

LCD.

The horizontal refresh was running at 81 kHz and changing that does seem

to change the effect. I measured 3 microgauss in that frequency. With the

monitor sleeping the loud tone goes away.

Bill

On Jan 10, 2008 5:52 AM, <paulpjc@...> wrote:

>

> In a message dated 1/10/2008 1:26:14 AM GMT Standard Time,

>

> m.a.norman@... <m.a.norman%40ntlworld.com> writes:

>

> Bill, There have been times when I've sat at my desk and there has been a

> frequency sound begin. I found when I turned my head to one side it

> stopped

> then when I turned my head back it started again. If you cover your ears

> with your hands it will stop until you move your hands away. At times it's

> made me feel a nauseas and disorientated.

>

> It seems to be when the

>

> Probably the resisters in the monitor infront of you especially common

> with

> CRT Vdu

>

> paul uk

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've had this since I was a child. Electronics will do it,

and " louder " if they are malfunctioning or on the way to kaput. But

it can also be things that are far far less obvious. Emergency

systems, electric/pet fences, cell towers sporadically, new data

wiring running over flourescents without proper shielding, vacuum

tubes particularly old ones. Sometimes combinations of things - like

a mobile phone in the room next to you when your old vacuum tube TV

is almost gone for good.

The being able to turn your head and " lose " the sound is very typical

to me. I can literally be walking down the street and stop when I

start hearing those frequencies. I can stand still, turn my head

back of forth and up and down and " change " the tone or lose it when I

turn one way or walk out of that " zone. " I'm more subtle about it

when I get curious now as an adult. When I was a child, I would

literally stop and try and see if I could find the noise. As an adult

I can often pick out a potential source - and a cell tower within a

km is VERY common as is pet fences and the like.

Essentially, I'm telling you that I believe you ARE " hearing "

something and that you aren't the only person who has 'the turn your

head to lose the sound' effect.

You can't turn your head to lose tinnitis and you can't walk away

from tinnitus.

>

> Lately I've noticed a rather loud high tone when doing certain

> computer tasks on my office computer. I thought it was a real

> tone from the monitor because if I covered my ears it got quieter.

>

> Now I find that it is not real. Depending on the exact position of

my

> head and hands, I can make it turn off by applying slight pressure

> above my ear using two fingers. Or wrapping my left arm over my

> head and putting that hand near my right ear, the sound can be

> turned off and on by turning my head by about 5 degrees.

> Or I can turn the sound on and off by just touching a finger from

> that hand in front of my right ear. Putting a thin piece of

cardboard

> between the finger and head I was no longer able to get switching.

>

> In this case the loud tone was in my right ear. There's also a

quieter

> and higher (almost ultrasonic) tone in my left ear which remained

> constant (that ear's been ringing a couple days now in quiet

envrionmnets).

>

> This office has aluminum on the walls and may have some interesting

> electrical properties. Anyone heard of anything like this? I'm

not sure

> it will work the same tomorrow but while it was working the sound

would

> turn on and off instantly, and reliably. I could easily have sent

Morse

> code.

>

> Using an Electrosmog Meter I get 20 mV/m max (50 MHz-3.5GHz).

> Trifield ~.2 milligauss. I am near my Mac keyboard and mouse that

emit AM

> band RF.

>

> Bill

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/12/2008 4:50:35 PM GMT Standard Time,

charles@... writes:

You might try a monitor conforming to the TCO 03 specification that limits

EMF produced by monitors. Here is a link for the details but it's in French:

_http://www.electromhttp://wwwhttp://wwwhttp://www.ehttp://www._

(http://www.electromagnetique.com/pages/legislation_normes.html)

Elekctrose

Try reading the invisible disease by Gunni Norstum for an insite into TCO !

My feeling is that sheilding is good for non ES persons but ES should not

spend time so close up to any electrical device ! But we have to live so we

suffer anon.

UK

UK

[Guest guest]

It is a misunderstanding that those norms are of any value to

electrosensible people.

Sure the electrical and magnetic fields are limited, and these norms are

only meant for computer monitors, and NOT for toasters, irons, washing

machines or television sets.

But those norms do not look for the *dirty power*, the 30-60 kHz

frequencies, which may come from those monitors, and for which

electrosensible people are most sensitive.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

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Re : bizarre tinnitus effects

You might try a monitor conforming to the TCO 03 specification that limits

EMF produced by monitors. Here is a link for the details but it's in French:

http://www.electromagnetique.com/pages/legislation_normes.html

Elekctrose

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Objet : Re: bizarre tinnitus effects

I should have mentioned the monitor I've been using the last few

weeks is

an old CRT trinitron. I'll probably try switching back to the flat panel

LCD.

The horizontal refresh was running at 81 kHz and changing that does seem

to change the effect. I measured 3 microgauss in that frequency. With the

monitor sleeping the loud tone goes away.

Bill

On Jan 10, 2008 5:52 AM, <paulpjcaol (DOT) com> wrote:

>

> In a message dated 1/10/2008 1:26:14 AM GMT Standard Time,

>

> m.a.norman@ntlworld .com <m.a.norman% 40ntlworld. com> writes:

>

> Bill, There have been times when I've sat at my desk and there has been a

> frequency sound begin. I found when I turned my head to one side it

> stopped

> then when I turned my head back it started again. If you cover your ears

> with your hands it will stop until you move your hands away.. At times

> it's

> made me feel a nauseas and disorientated.

>

> It seems to be when the

>

> Probably the resisters in the monitor infront of you especially common

> with

> CRT Vdu

>

> paul uk

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for this great information! I had never thought about data wires

being near fluorescents, but I think it's possible that could cause noise

in the home wiring and possibly a demodulation effect (lowering frequency).

If you have any comments on any other variables that affect your likelihood

of hearing this, please let me know. I also would like to know your

approximate age

and how old you were when you first remember such an effect. Any family

members who have it? Did you grow up in a city or near a radar or anything

unusual?

Bill

On Jan 11, 2008 8:15 PM, brassypep <bmcdonne@...> wrote:

> I've had this since I was a child. Electronics will do it,

> and " louder " if they are malfunctioning or on the way to kaput. But

> it can also be things that are far far less obvious. Emergency

> systems, electric/pet fences, cell towers sporadically, new data

> wiring running over flourescents without proper shielding, vacuum

> tubes particularly old ones. Sometimes combinations of things - like

> a mobile phone in the room next to you when your old vacuum tube TV

> is almost gone for good.

>

> The being able to turn your head and " lose " the sound is very typical

> to me. I can literally be walking down the street and stop when I

> start hearing those frequencies. I can stand still, turn my head

> back of forth and up and down and " change " the tone or lose it when I

> turn one way or walk out of that " zone. " I'm more subtle about it

> when I get curious now as an adult. When I was a child, I would

> literally stop and try and see if I could find the noise. As an adult

> I can often pick out a potential source - and a cell tower within a

> km is VERY common as is pet fences and the like.

>

> Essentially, I'm telling you that I believe you ARE " hearing "

> something and that you aren't the only person who has 'the turn your

> head to lose the sound' effect.

>

> You can't turn your head to lose tinnitis and you can't walk away

> from tinnitus.

>

>

>

> >

> > Lately I've noticed a rather loud high tone when doing certain

> > computer tasks on my office computer. I thought it was a real

> > tone from the monitor because if I covered my ears it got quieter.

> >

> > Now I find that it is not real. Depending on the exact position of

> my

> > head and hands, I can make it turn off by applying slight pressure

> > above my ear using two fingers. Or wrapping my left arm over my

> > head and putting that hand near my right ear, the sound can be

> > turned off and on by turning my head by about 5 degrees.

> > Or I can turn the sound on and off by just touching a finger from

> > that hand in front of my right ear. Putting a thin piece of

> cardboard

> > between the finger and head I was no longer able to get switching.

> >

> > In this case the loud tone was in my right ear. There's also a

> quieter

> > and higher (almost ultrasonic) tone in my left ear which remained

> > constant (that ear's been ringing a couple days now in quiet

> envrionmnets).

> >

> > This office has aluminum on the walls and may have some interesting

> > electrical properties. Anyone heard of anything like this? I'm

> not sure

> > it will work the same tomorrow but while it was working the sound

> would

> > turn on and off instantly, and reliably. I could easily have sent

> Morse

> > code.

> >

> > Using an Electrosmog Meter I get 20 mV/m max (50 MHz-3.5GHz).

> > Trifield ~.2 milligauss. I am near my Mac keyboard and mouse that

> emit AM

> > band RF.

> >

> > Bill

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes, you are absolutely right. But I think that every effort to

decrease exposure to EMF should be supported. The TCO 03 label is just

one step in the right direction. It is focused on office furniture and

was founded by the Swedish Confederation of Professional Employees

(1.3 million employees):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCO_Certification

http://www.tcodevelopment.com/

http://www.mobilelabelling.com/

I believe that the numerous EHS people around the world could do the

same for toasters, irons, TV sets, consumption habits, ...

Don't you think so?

I've checked the wikipedia website for envionmental diseases and I

found very few things. Wouldn't it be intersting to initiate a

wikipedia portal and project on this subject?

Elektrose

>

>

>

> >

>

> > In a message dated 1/10/2008 1:26:14 AM GMT Standard Time,

>

> >

>

> > m.a.norman@ntlworld .com <m.a.norman% 40ntlworld. com> writes:

>

> >

>

> > Bill, There have been times when I've sat at my desk and there has

been a

>

> > frequency sound begin. I found when I turned my head to one side it

>

> > stopped

>

> > then when I turned my head back it started again. If you cover

your ears

>

> > with your hands it will stop until you move your hands away.. At

times

> > it's

>

> > made me feel a nauseas and disorientated.

>

> >

>

> > It seems to be when the

>

> >

>

> > Probably the resisters in the monitor infront of you especially common

>

> > with

>

> > CRT Vdu

>

> >

>

> > paul uk

>

> >

>

> >

[Guest guest]

I'll have to think about if there are other factors in hearing these

frequencies.

I'm 34 this month, and I've been hearing the electronic frequencies

ever since I can remember - and my memory goes back to three. Mostly

vacuum tubes then. I could hear my TV and all the TVs on the block

turn on and off. I could even tell the difference between my TV and

the neighbours TV from outside the house.

My brother and sister used to be able to hear them sometimes, but

don't anymore to my knowledge. I know for sure that they could hear

vacuum tubes, and occassionally get the tinnitus effect. But I think

that they still do.

I've had my hearing tested several times, and I have higher than

normal hearing with a " gap " at high frequency and then my hearing

picks up again. Though I suspect that I'm not actually " hearing " all

the frequencies per-se so much as picking them up. As in my brain is

interpretting high frequencies as sound even if the frequency isn't

necessarily being translated through the ear drum. Sometimes. I

also don't have even coverage over all frequencies in that range.

I've grown up in two of the large urban centers in Canada, though

they are seperated by vast amounts of space. The only thing in

common other than both being growing urban centers is the rate of

growth being very fast, and the rate of adoption of technologis being

similiar. And neither adopting fiber optic on a large scale which I

suspect doesn't resonate as much.

> > >

> > > Lately I've noticed a rather loud high tone when doing certain

> > > computer tasks on my office computer. I thought it was a real

> > > tone from the monitor because if I covered my ears it got

quieter.

> > >

> > > Now I find that it is not real. Depending on the exact position

of

> > my

> > > head and hands, I can make it turn off by applying slight

pressure

> > > above my ear using two fingers. Or wrapping my left arm over my

> > > head and putting that hand near my right ear, the sound can be

> > > turned off and on by turning my head by about 5 degrees.

> > > Or I can turn the sound on and off by just touching a finger

from

> > > that hand in front of my right ear. Putting a thin piece of

> > cardboard

> > > between the finger and head I was no longer able to get

switching.

> > >

> > > In this case the loud tone was in my right ear. There's also a

> > quieter

> > > and higher (almost ultrasonic) tone in my left ear which

remained

> > > constant (that ear's been ringing a couple days now in quiet

> > envrionmnets).

> > >

> > > This office has aluminum on the walls and may have some

interesting

> > > electrical properties. Anyone heard of anything like this? I'm

> > not sure

> > > it will work the same tomorrow but while it was working the

sound

> > would

> > > turn on and off instantly, and reliably. I could easily have

sent

> > Morse

> > > code.

> > >

> > > Using an Electrosmog Meter I get 20 mV/m max (50 MHz-3.5GHz).

> > > Trifield ~.2 milligauss. I am near my Mac keyboard and mouse

that

> > emit AM

> > > band RF.

> > >

> > > Bill

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

In einer eMail vom 10.01.2008 21:44:06 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt

paulpjc@...:

In a message dated 1/10/2008 6:01:30 PM GMT Standard Time,

_wbruno@..._ (mailto:wbruno@...)

writes:

On Jan 10, 2008 11:00 AM, Bill Bruno <__wbrunogmail (DOT) _wb_

(mailto:_wbruno@...) _

(mailto:_wbruno@..._ (mailto:wbruno@...) ) > wrote:

> I was told by a guy from Sweden that in high school his teacher

> told them to clench their back teeth for a minute. Most of the

> boys could hear a ringing but not the girls, and the teacher

> said this was typical. But generally the tone stops as soon as

> the teeth are relaxed. The guy is now grown up and it still works.

> I tried it and it worked too but the ringing did not stop right away for

> me...

>

> Bill

MAYBE WE ARE TALKING PEIZO ELECTRIC EFFECTS ?

uk

This is not a piezoelektric effect. When you clench the teeth you contract

the muscles in the cheek and many thousands of muscle fibers do hundres of

contractiones per second; this you can hear and putting elektrodes on the cheek

with an amplifier you will hear ist also, because from EKG we know the each

muscle fiber creates a short electrical potential while contracting.

Dietrich Gruen M.D.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/19/2008 11:41:55 PM GMT Standard Time, Gruendg@...

writes:

This is not a piezoelektric effect. When you clench the teeth you contract

the muscles in the cheek and many thousands of muscle fibers do hundres of

contractiones per second; this you can hear and putting elektrodes on the

cheek

with an amplifier you will hear ist also, because from EKG we know the each

muscle fiber creates a short electrical potential while contracting.

Dietrich Gruen M.D.

Thanks that is very interesting, could a test be done with a muscle relaxant

to see if face/head/neck muscles are to tight for what ever reason, maybe

weak electromagnetic feilds are cuasing muscles to become taught at micro

levels enough to stimulate a constant electrical emission from the muscles

leading

to tinitus in the ears for some ?

PAUL UK