Dairy Effect on Body Fat - Was : Re: Whey

[Guest guest]

Hi JW:

That study had a great deal of preliminary discussion before

outlining their own experiment. The preliminary discussion, as I

remember, noted many different previous studies that had demonstrated

fat reduction effects, some of which had used non-fat dry milk or

whey.

But, clearly, dairy consumption is not the only factor determining

body fat. More important is energy balance. The study subjects were

all in a 500 kcal/day negative energy balance. Someone in a 500

kcal/day positive energy balance would likely add fat no matter how

much dairy they consumed. Similarly, someone with a 100 kcal/day

negative energy balance would presumably lose fat a lot more slowly

than someone in a 500 kcal/day negative energy balance, even

consuming the same amount of dairy product.

What the study seems to be saying is that there appears to be a

substance in milk, that is not in the fat component, which raises

body temperature by causing the body to burn more fat than it

otherwise would have.

They used two forms of calcium addition. One group used CaCO3

(chalk) - which DID cause fat burning. But another group

used 'dairy' calcium (they did not specify what kind) and that, they

said, even more effectively burned fat than the chalk.

I am not competent to comment on different types of whey. (Nor, for

that matter, am I any kind of expert on the biology discussed in the

study, which used a fair amount of technical language that I had to

look up in a medical dictionary - Caveat).

Rodney.

> > It also raises the issue of how many calories per day must be

being

> > burned off by the presence of the additional calcium for the

loss

> of

> > weight they observed. More on that in another post.

> >

> > Rodney.

[Guest guest]

The number I've used is 1240mg as a minimum for CA, for many years. Mine's usually about 1600.

Just wondering how much calcium they're talking about.

It could be the Amino acid profile of whey versus beef, eg, - seems to have a lower lysine level.

Anyway, my weight-lifter son has a roll of fat he needs to lose too.

I wonder where the fat comes from that gets lost?

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From: Rodney

Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 1:02 PM

Subject: [ ] Dairy Effect on Body Fat - Was : Re: Whey

Hi JW:That study had a great deal of preliminary discussion before outlining their own experiment. The preliminary discussion, as I remember, noted many different previous studies that had demonstrated fat reduction effects, some of which had used non-fat dry milk or whey.But, clearly, dairy consumption is not the only factor determining body fat. More important is energy balance. The study subjects were all in a 500 kcal/day negative energy balance. Someone in a 500 kcal/day positive energy balance would likely add fat no matter how much dairy they consumed. Similarly, someone with a 100 kcal/day negative energy balance would presumably lose fat a lot more slowly than someone in a 500 kcal/day negative energy balance, even consuming the same amount of dairy product.What the study seems to be saying is that there appears to be a substance in milk, that is not in the fat component, which raises body temperature by causing the body to burn more fat than it otherwise would have. They used two forms of calcium addition. One group used CaCO3 (chalk) - which DID cause fat burning. But another group used 'dairy' calcium (they did not specify what kind) and that, they said, even more effectively burned fat than the chalk.I am not competent to comment on different types of whey. (Nor, for that matter, am I any kind of expert on the biology discussed in the study, which used a fair amount of technical language that I had to look up in a medical dictionary - Caveat). Rodney.> > It also raises the issue of how many calories per day must be being > > burned off by the presence of the additional calcium for the loss > of > > weight they observed. More on that in another post.> > > > Rodney.