Guest guest Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 I am curious. What do you do during the day? Is your physical limited? I find that if I don't eat something (in the morning), I have to limit what I do..not necessarily " brain " activity, although on certain days that too, but certainly physical activity.. Jane R (NY) --- In , " Lee A. Shurie " <lee@v...> wrote: > I worked up to it gradually over a period of several weeks. First I skipped > breakfast, then began to delay lunch a little more each day until I arrived > at 6 PM without having eaten. Once I have eaten, I am hungry. If I eat > breakfast or lunch, I will be hungry all day long and will consume too many > calories. If I don't eat early in the day I don't get hungry until the > evening, and my body supplies the required energy quite handily during the > day. However, it may take a few weeks to untrain your body if you've trained > it your whole lifetime to expect food at breakfast and lunch. If you begin > to feel weak or light-headed as you lengthen your daily fast you may have > exceeded your body's natural limits or you may simply have transitioned too > rapidly. > > I found that it took a few tries to get past the 3 PM hunger barrier. But > after a few days or a week it disappeared and it was easy to wait till 6 PM > or later for a meal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2004 Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 My work is computers which is somewhat sedentary, but I eat this way on days when I train for athletics as well. Even on days when I do strenuous exercise I don't eat anything before 6 PM. For example, I often go out for the day sea kayaking, SCUBA diving, or other outdoor activities. I have no trouble keeping up with people who have eaten breakfast, lunch, and energy bars. The less I eat early in the day the more energy I have and the better my body functions. This goes against the accepted conventional recommendation, I know, but it works wonders for me. I don't profess that it will work for others. I arrived at this method by keeping a careful journal for 4 years while monitoring food intake, biomarkers, blood sugar levels, and several subjective factors like energy level, physical and mental performance, etc. Ideally, each person should learn what is best for their own body by careful experimentation, observation, documentation, and analysis. Best, Lee -----Original Message-----From: clydiemor [mailto:clydiemor@...]Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:49 AM Subject: [ ] Re: Eating after 6 pmI am curious. What do you do during the day? Is your physical limited? I find that if I don't eat something (in the morning), I have to limit what I do..not necessarily "brain" activity, although on certain days that too, but certainly physical activity..Jane R (NY)> I worked up to it gradually over a period of several weeks. First I skipped> breakfast, then began to delay lunch a little more each day until I arrived> at 6 PM without having eaten. Once I have eaten, I am hungry. If I eat> breakfast or lunch, I will be hungry all day long and will consume too many> calories. If I don't eat early in the day I don't get hungry until the> evening, and my body supplies the required energy quite handily during the> day. However, it may take a few weeks to untrain your body if you've trained> it your whole lifetime to expect food at breakfast and lunch. If you begin> to feel weak or light-headed as you lengthen your daily fast you may have> exceeded your body's natural limits or you may simply have transitioned too> rapidly.> > I found that it took a few tries to get past the 3 PM hunger barrier. But> after a few days or a week it disappeared and it was easy to wait till 6 PM> or later for a meal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2004 Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 ?> The less I eat early in the day the more energy I have and the better > my body functions. I get this but only on some days > Ideally, each person should learn what is best for their > own body by careful experimentation, observation, documentation, and > analysis. > I agree. Jane R (NY) > Best, > Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: clydiemor [mailto:clydiemor@y...] > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:49 AM > > Subject: [ ] Re: Eating after 6 pm > > > I am curious. What do you do during the day? Is your physical > limited? I find that if I don't eat something (in the morning), I > have to limit what I do..not necessarily " brain " activity, although > on certain days that too, but certainly physical activity.. > > Jane R (NY) > > > > I worked up to it gradually over a period of several weeks. First I > skipped > > breakfast, then began to delay lunch a little more each day until I > arrived > > at 6 PM without having eaten. Once I have eaten, I am hungry. If I > eat > > breakfast or lunch, I will be hungry all day long and will consume > too many > > calories. If I don't eat early in the day I don't get hungry until > the > > evening, and my body supplies the required energy quite handily > during the > > day. However, it may take a few weeks to untrain your body if > you've trained > > it your whole lifetime to expect food at breakfast and lunch. If > you begin > > to feel weak or light-headed as you lengthen your daily fast you > may have > > exceeded your body's natural limits or you may simply have > transitioned too > > rapidly. > > > > I found that it took a few tries to get past the 3 PM hunger > barrier. But > > after a few days or a week it disappeared and it was easy to wait > till 6 PM > > or later for a meal. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 That is what I have to do. Control my blood sugar. Some days I can go with out eating and feel fine..other times I get shakey. I find that if I don't eat in the morning, I can go longer without eating, but some day I am full of energy and others I am lethargic. I love those days when I haven't eaten except for coffee and feel full of energy and get a lot accomplished early in the day...I am at the stage where i am lsitng what I eat so I can see what my reactions are. About coffee..is naturally decafinated coffee as good for you as regular? Jane R (NY) > > I worked up to it gradually over a period of several weeks. First I > skipped > > breakfast, then began to delay lunch a little more each day until I > arrived > > at 6 PM without having eaten. Once I have eaten, I am hungry. If I > eat > > breakfast or lunch, I will be hungry all day long and will consume > too many > > calories. If I don't eat early in the day I don't get hungry until > the > > evening, and my body supplies the required energy quite handily > during the > > day. However, it may take a few weeks to untrain your body if > you've trained > > it your whole lifetime to expect food at breakfast and lunch. If > you begin > > to feel weak or light-headed as you lengthen your daily fast you > may have > > exceeded your body's natural limits or you may simply have > transitioned too > > rapidly. > > > > I found that it took a few tries to get past the 3 PM hunger > barrier. But > > after a few days or a week it disappeared and it was easy to wait > till 6 PM > > or later for a meal. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 Thanks Suzy. You may have a point regarding the artificial sweeteners. I have noticed a similar effect, although don't have any specific evidence. I do count calories at my evening meal, but I am generally quite full long before I've eaten my allotment for the day. This gives me some leeway to eat a few bites later in the evening if I become hungry. My main reason for measuring quantities is to check the RDA's and make sure my diet remains well balanced. I also want to confirm each day that the calorie level is at or below my desired CR%. I make my evening meal in the same size salad bowl each day, and I know from experience how much of each ingredient to put in. Of course, the ingredients vary slightly from day to day, but I try to maintain a similar balance. In this manner, it would be quite simple to remain at a desired calorie intake and nutrition level indefinitely, even if one did not measure and record each day's meal. You summarized it well when you mentioned the mental alertness, physical energy, and the calm peaceful state of mind that accompanies this method of eating. Like you, I find that I gravitate back to it quickly and naturally if my eating patterns temporarily change for some reason. Best, Lee -----Original Message-----From: Suzy P [mailto:suzy_pod@...]Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 7:17 AM Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Eating after 6 pm Hi Lee, thanks for your response. I also avoid all stimulants like coffee/tea (although I used to drink a lot!). I find that with this one meal a day "warrior" style diet, I really don't need them and I'm incredibly alert (and less hungry) during the day before dinner without them. I don't do much physical activity however I do a lot of mental work and I'm able to concentrate very well eating this way. Also, as Warren once mentioned (I believe he also eats warrior style), I feel very calm and peaceful during the day--something that I never anticipated. As you can tell, I really love this regimen and I always seem to find my way back if my eating patterns do change. I do eat a bit earlier than you (usually 4 or 5 pm) and I would like to try to push it back further to around 6 or 7. I'm finding that by around 9pm or so, I'm starting to feel hungry again and those few hours before bedtime are much harder than going the entire day without eating. Also, I noticed that when I do use artificial sweeteners at dinner time I'm usually much hungrier in the evenings than I am if I don't use them. Am I crazy or do you think that there is some merit to the argument that even sweet tastes can set off hunger?? I'm also wondering if you count calories at your evening meal or if you eat to your heart's content. Do you ever feel hungry in the late evening? Also, if anyone else out there eats warrior style please let us know what works for you... Best, S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 >without eating. Also, I noticed that when I do use artificial >sweeteners at dinner time I'm usually much hungrier in the evenings >than I am if I don't use them. Am I crazy or do you think that >there is some merit to the argument that even sweet tastes can set >off hunger?? All of the artificial sweeteners spike your glycemic and insulin levels. Thus you get relatively hungry quicker due to the " sugar crash " as well as contributing to insulin resistance. I noticed earlier today that NOW Foods has come out with combo xylitol and stevia packets. That may be a " safer " sweetener for CRers than the synthetics. Both sweeteners have minimal impact on glycemic levels, but I haven't seen any data on their insulin impact yet. Logan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 >>Both sweeteners (xylitol and stevia) have minimal impact on glycemic levels, but I haven't seen any data on their insulin impact yet. >>All of the artificial sweeteners spike your glycemic and insulin levels. From Mendosa.com " Because Dr. Holt was the lead author of the insulin index study, I naturally thought of her when I started receiving questions about artificial sweeteners producing an insulin release. Some " authority " has apparently been making noises to that effect. Dr. Holt has also been researching the effects of sugar-free drinks on the satiety index, something that I reported here in the most recent issue of this newsletter. " There hasn't been a lot of research on the effects of most common foods on blood insulin levels, let alone artificial sweeteners and other common food ingredients, " Dr. Holt replied to my message. " There have been a few papers published to show that nutrasweet (Aspartame) in the small doses typically ingested in diet sodas etc. do not raise blood glucose or insulin levels much at all. You are likely to get a bigger stimulus for insulin secretion from the other components in the foods, like sugar, fat, and protein. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 Hi All, Is this not contradicted, at least for glucose, by following? Equivalent among of glucose and sweetener were used? Sweeteners have much higher sweetening potential than sugar, do they not? Cheers, Al Pater. Acesulfame K (150 mg/kg body weight) increased the plasma insulin concentration at 5 min from 27.3 +/- 3.0 microU/ml to 58.6 +/- 4.2 microU/ml without any significant change in the blood glucose. Infusion of Acesulfame K (20 mg/kg body weight/min) for one hour maintained the insulin concentration at a high level (about 85-100 microU/ml) during this period, and at the same time blood glucose was gradually reduced from 103.0 +/- 7.3 to 72.0 +/- 7.2 mg/dl. When using different amounts of Acesulfame K, the insulin secretion was stimulated in a dose-dependent fashion. The effect of Acesulfame K on insulin secretion was similar to that observed by injecting or infusing the same doses of glucose (150 mg/kg) body weight for injection and 20 mg/kg body weight/min for infusion), except that no hyperglycemia was observed with Acesulfame K.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS) PMID: 2887500 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > >without eating. Also, I noticed that when I do use artificial > >sweeteners at dinner time I'm usually much hungrier in the evenings > >than I am if I don't use them. Am I crazy or do you think that > >there is some merit to the argument that even sweet tastes can set > >off hunger?? > > All of the artificial sweeteners spike your glycemic and insulin > levels. Thus you get relatively hungry quicker due to the " sugar > crash " as well as contributing to insulin resistance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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