Re: University doing EMF study; any feedback for her?

June 4, 2011

Questions: I've heard about EMF " refugee " communities? Would you know

if these are these real communities living together or just the

communal feeling of being a refugee from technology?

Answer:

Sweden provides areas for such people.

emfrefugee/message/21984

" In remote forest of Sweden, couple escapes electromagnetic waves "

emfrefugee/message/21898?threaded=1 & p=2

Looking for a safe no-EMF place to live -

Jim Beal describes why Wimberly, Texas, USA might be a place to try out.

EMF Interface Consulting

POB 2112 , Wimberley TX 78676

512-847-0371

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www.emfinterface.com

Question: " Do you ever feel like a refugee? or abandoned? "

Answer: I feel trapped, totally trapped. There is no where to go.

There is no money to get to somewhere else. My family has a hard time

understanding. I live in the boondocks of Eastern Oregon (lack of

alternative medical services). I tried to find someone with a motor

home I could borrow and park somewhere or a cabin deep in the woods

where I could spend a lot of time this summer, and see if I get

better, but unless some benevolent stranger hears my plea for help,

this will never happen. With all my sensitivities I don't spend much

time socializing with other people. It even burns me up to talk on a

landline phone. And it burns me up to type long emails, but feel

inclined to reply.

The most important way to get better is to avoid the EMF fields. So

yes, if I could escape to another place free of EMF fields, then

maybe I would feel like a refugee rather than like I'm in a prison -

a very uncomfortable prison. I tried to get help from social welfare

agencies, but their offices are full of killer chemical fragrance

stench, and I'm not an unwed mother popping out a baby every year or

two. The Eastern Oregon boonies might be a suitable place to set up

an EMF Refugee camp, and the state of Oregon is progressive enough a

group might be able to force through legislation to keep a protected

area EMF free. Arizona is where a lot of these injured people flee to.

Question: " It seems like in the US, EHS people, especially in the

United States, have been essentially abandoned by the biomedical and

scientific community, branded psychosomatic, and expected to create

their own new forms of treatment. Is there a different type of

attitude in the UK? It seems like scientists in the us are more stuck

in trying to disprove your illness rather than actually looking for

some kind of biomedical or genetic predisposition of your suffering.

Does this seem accurate? "

There is anecdotal evidence that a person generally first gets

fibromyalgia, then Multiple Chemical Sensitivity, then EHS. I

searched for, but cannot locate right now, the source of this

information. Someone said, the only people they knew of who didn't

get fibromyalgia and MCS first, before the EHS, worked around the

electrical equipment in the huge US Postal service mail sorting facilities.

I'm a Medical Technologist and worked in allopathic labs for 13

years. I saw this from the inside out. For decades big industry has

been fighting against the evidence that chemical and electromagnetic

fields are doing serious harm to people. Soon after electricity was

lighting us up, some people were busy tracking evidence of harm. Same

with the chemicals. However, big industry has massive economic

investments and cash cows to protect. All the studies they sponsor

show no harm, whereas studies by independent parties do show evidence

of harm. Government agencies are bribed and cajoled to parrot the no

harm mantra, and doctors are massively brainwashed by all this. THE

PUBLIC MUST NOT KNOW THEY ARE BEING HARMED. Follow the money.

In the early 1900's U.S. big oil had lots of money to invest, so they

decided to take over the schools of medicine and turn the mainstream

medical into their pharmaceutical wet dream of allopathic medicine.

They make a lot of the drugs from the toxic left over coal tar. They

systematically went about shutting down mainstream naturopathic,

homeopathic, etc medical schools and practitioners that were serving

the community quite well. You get this care now only under the much

maligned " alternative medicine " label, and only if you don't buy into

the massive propaganda against it.

Therefore, if you go to a typical doctor in the USA today, if you can

get past the " it's all in your head " diagnosis, they have nothing to

offer you other than 1) diagnostic tests, which can be quite helpful,

and 2) the only treatments they have are pharmaceutical cartel drugs.

These drugs cure nothing. They cover up symptoms. They can have

severe side effects. In fact, they don't even know how most of these

drugs mask your symptoms, and this masking is itself a " side effect "

of the drugs. If you want real help with these conditions, you must

carefully choose from a small handful of " alternative " practitioners

that address the issue at it's root cause.

There are a number of facilities around the United States that treat

Multiple Chemical Sensitivity, and now Electrical Hypersensitivity,

since one seems to follow the other. However, they probably are not

covered by your medical insurance (if you have insurance). A huge

percentage of us won't find one of these doctors practicing nearby.

So on top of paying thousands of dollars out of pocket for the office

visits, therapeutic nutritionals, etc you would also have huge travel

and lodging expenses. Now if you haven't been able to work - how do

you pay for all this?

Often times doctors that come up with treatment plans that really

work have had the, unfortunate for them, but fortunate for us,

experience of being stricken by these conditions themselves.

Dr. Rea of The Environmental Health Center-Dallas, Texas was

affected by EHS during his medical training. http://www.ehcd.com/ I

would like to go there, but I can't afford it.

The best hope I've seen is from the work of Dr. Pall

http://www.thetenthparadigm.org/ and the nitric oxide cycle. The

reasons a number of seemingly different conditions, (Chronic Fatigue

Syndrome/Myalgic Encephalomyelitis, Multiple Chemical Sensitivity,

Fibromyalgia and Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder and more) are

resistant to treatment is that this nitric oxide cycle that is set

off by a major stressor or illness, must be interrupted at multiple

points or it will find a way around and continue the vicious cycle. I

believe EHS is also in this category of illnesses.

Dr Pall notes the names of some treatment protocols that have worked,

and the similarities to his protocol:

http://www.thetenthparadigm.org/therapy.htm

" Five Complex Treatment Protocols

" Five physicians/scientists have developed complex treatment

protocols containing from 14 to 18 different agents or classes of

agents predicted to down-regulate NO/ONOO- cycle biochemistry. These

each appear to be effective in the treatment of multisystem illnesses

based on clinical observations and, in two cases ( Teitelbaum's

and Garth Nicolson's), clinical trial studies. Two other protocols

are those of Dr. Cheney and Dr. Nash Petrovic. I have been

involved with the development of the Pall/Ziem protocol, working with

Dr. Grace Ziem on its development. The Pall/Ziem protocol has been

used to treat chemically injured, chemically sensitive patients. The

others have been used to treat CFS patients with Teitelbaum's being

used to treat FM patients as well. Each of these are discussed

elsewhere (1,2). The lists provided below were current when my book

was being written but may no longer be current. And there are

additional agents in two of these protocols which may not obviously

act to lower the NO/ONOO- cycle biochemistry. "

Here is where you can buy the Dr. Pall Products Value Pack for $114 to $120

https://www.prohealth.com/shop/product.cfm/product__code/PHK23/tab/Description#t\

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Now you should do this under a doctor's supervision, but if you can't

find one near you, or if like me, you can't afford it,

what are you going to do? Continue to suffer?

Here is how Dr. Pall says to use the products

http://www.thetenthparadigm.org/arg.htm

There are 5 bottles, you start them one at a time, in case you should

have a reaction to one of them, you'll know which it is. (This page

lists 7 products.) Alpha lipoic acid can cause problems for those

with mercury toxicity so they need to do a mercury detox first. I've

just had the local chiropractor muscle test that these supplements

should be beneficial for me to try. So I think I will.

Hope this helps,

On 6/3/2011 4:30:40 PM, Loni (loni326@...) wrote:

> Below is part of a recent email sent from University student doing

research on EMF sensitivity!

> She has some questions about differences in countries related to

treatment of this impairment!

> Any feedback I can send to her would be appreciated! Loni

> >

> I'm beginning to start to work on all the interviews i've

collected from EMF sufferers and wanted to ask you a question. I've

heard about EMF " refugee " communities? Would you know if these are

these real communities living together or just the communal feeling

of being a refugee from technology? Do you ever feel like a refugee?

or abandoned?

>

> Also, I was wondering what you might think of my conclusions about

the state of EMF sufferers in the US compared to other nations. It

seems like in the US, EHS people, especially in the United States,

have been essentially abandoned by the biomedical and scientific

community, branded psychosomatic, and expected to create their own

new forms of treatment. Is there a different type of attitude in the

UK? It seems like scientists in the us are more stuck in trying to

disprove your illness rather than actually looking for some kind of

biomedical or genetic predisposition of your suffering. Does this

seem accurate?

June 4, 2011

Thanks for gathering the interviews, Loni. Yes, the student's description of the

sociopolitical climate surrounding the issue seems very accurate. I was ok until

Smart Meters & now am using up my last 3 months of web access & basic freedoms

b4 there are Smart Meters in this town ( & all thru my state). I've considered

moving to NM but have no $, not enuf work experience to get SSD, & can't get SSI

b/c I can't go to any doctor's appointments b/c of Smart Meters. So basically,

after 4 years of MCS & now a very disabling electrical exposure via SM's, I do

feel totally abandoned by the medical community & feel that said community is

doing society a great disservice by trying to label EHS & all the chronic

neuroinflammatory illnesses as psychosomatic. The impending public health crisis

from these new, inescapable emfs (WiMax, Light Radio boxes, Smart Meters, more

powerful, longer-range cell towers, & White Space wireless) is going to be HUGE

& the costs of it

ASTRONOMICAL. Also, for the record, the symptoms hurt so freaking bad & so

constantly, & given that I have no $ to try any supplements or shielding

materials, I just might try to live illegally in a country w/ safer wireless

standards, like Switzerland. Anyone have a better idea?

-E. Drew

From: Loni <loni326@...>

Subject: University doing EMF study; any feedback for her?

Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 7:30 PM

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Below is part of a recent email sent from University student doing research on

EMF sensitivity!

She has some questions about differences in countries related to treatment of

this impairment!

Any feedback I can send to her would be appreciated!Â Loni

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I'm beginning to start to work on all the interviews i've collected from EMF

sufferers and wanted to ask you a question. I've heard about EMF " refugee "

communities? Would you know if these are these real communities living together

or just the communal feeling of being a refugee from technology? Do you ever

feel like a refugee? or abandoned?

Also, I was wondering what you might think of my conclusions about the state of

EMF sufferers in the US compared to other nations. It seems like in the US, EHS

people, especially in the United States, have been essentially abandoned by the

biomedical and scientific community, branded psychosomatic, and expected to

create their own new forms of treatment. Is there a different type of attitude

in the UK? It seems like scientists in the us are more stuck in trying to

disprove your illness rather than actually looking for some kind of biomedical

or genetic predisposition of your suffering. Does this seem accurate?

June 4, 2011

> There is anecdotal evidence that a person generally first gets

> fibromyalgia, then Multiple Chemical Sensitivity, then EHS.

Maybe for some people, but people are not all alike. I think

I got ES first, then MCS, and never got fibromyalgia.

Marc

June 4, 2011

There are some real communities of people living together. The European

communities I've heard about are the refuge in Sweden (see the msnbc article

'woozy from wi-fi', France (Drone), and later with Italy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6805895.ece From what

I hear, it's still controversial in Europe, though there are some doctors who

are aware of it (e.g., Freiburger appeal from German physicians).

In the USA, I've never heard of a refuge, although due to how spacious it is,

there are still many residential areas where the outdoor emf's are low. These

are diminishing, of course, as cell towers sprout everywhere. In the USA, the

most readily available equivalent for medical help is probably a building

biologist-- which is an idea which came from Europe, from Germany (baubiologie).

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sufferers and wanted to ask you a question. I've heard about EMF " refugee "

communities? Would you know if these are these real communities living together

or just the communal feeling of being a refugee from technology? Do you ever

feel like a refugee? or abandoned?

>

> Also, I was wondering what you might think of my conclusions about the state

of EMF sufferers in the US compared to other nations. It seems like in the US,

EHS people, especially in the United States, have been essentially abandoned by

the biomedical and scientific community, branded psychosomatic, and expected to

create their own new forms of treatment. Is there a different type of attitude

in the UK? It seems like scientists in the us are more stuck in trying to

disprove your illness rather than actually looking for some kind of biomedical

or genetic predisposition of your suffering. Does this seem accurate?