Re: Broadband Internet/Top of Obama's Plan!!!!

[Guest guest]

> Two days ago on CNN news they showed a list of Obama's top 3 plans to

> bring the economy back up. The 3rd one was to get Broadband internet on

> the power lines.

I just did some searching, and it seems that the campaign promise

was to provide affordable broadband in rural areas. It doesn't have

to be over the power lines -- WiFi could satisfy this goal.

Marc

[Guest guest]

From: Libby Kelley <lkelley_45@...>

Subject: Re: Broadband Internet/Top of Obama's Plan!!!!

loni326@..., chemicalinjury ,

environmental_illness001 , , " Post "

<georgerpost@...>

Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 2:04 PM

Loni et al,

 

I have some additional information. U.S. House Commerce and Energy is

investigating the FCC for a number of irregularities under the current

administration. One of the allegations is that BPL data may have been falsified.

Even though Obama is being lobbied hard on BPL, it may not be technically

feasible. This is what engineers have always maintained and the American Amateur

Relay League does not want if as  " hammies " may experience signal interference. 

 

regards,

 

Libby Kelley

 

 

==> CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE MEMBERS RELEASE REPORT LAMBASTING FCC

CHAIRMAN KEVIN MARTIN

On Tuesday, December 9, the House Committee on Energy and Commerce --

the congressional committee that oversees the Federal Communications

Commission -- released its majority staff report " on the bipartisan

investigation of the FCC's regulatory processes and management

practices. " The report -- " Deception and Distrust: The Federal

Communications Commission under Chairman J. " -- stated that

the investigation was prompted " by allegations to the effect that [FCC]

Chairman J. has abused FCC procedures by manipulating or

suppressing reports, data and information "

<http://www.arrl.org/news/files/FCC_Report120908.pdf>.

" Our investigation confirmed a number of troubling allegations raised by

individuals in and outside the FCC, " said Representative Bart Stupak

(D-MI), Chairman of the Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations.

" The Committee staff report details some of the most egregious abuses of

power, suppression of information and manipulation of data under

Chairman 's leadership. It is my hope that this report will serve

as a roadmap for a fair, open and efficient FCC under new leadership in

the next administration. "

Representative D. Dingell (D-MI), Chairman of the Committee on

Energy and Commerce echoed Stupak's concerns: " Any of these findings,

individually, are cause for concern. Together, the findings suggest

that, in recent years, the FCC has operated in a dysfunctional manner

and Commission business has suffered as a result. It is my hope that the

new FCC Chairman will find this report instructive and that it will

prove useful in helping the Commission avoid making the same mistakes. "

The report said that " in an investigation of this nature, " the Committee

would usually hold hearings " to receive testimony from witnesses and to

further examine the issues. " But due to what the Committee called " the

climate of fear that currently pervades the FCC, " the report said the

Committee found that key witnesses " were unwilling to testify or even

have their names become known. " For that reason, they issued a report in

place of a hearing " to protect the many honest people who came forward

under a promise of protection or anonymity. " Chairman was invited

to meet with the Committee to discuss matters addressed by the

investigation, but the report said he " ignored [the Committee's]

invitation, " as did his Chief of Staff and Chief of

Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau Poarch.

In its 110-page report, the Committee described 12 allegations, ranging

from retaliation against FCC employees who differed with the Chairman's

policies to enhanced 911 wireless services to broadband over power lines

(BPL). To go along with the 12 allegations, 22 exhibits were attached to

the report, such as internal e-mails, e-mails from FCC commissioners to

their staff, statements made by FCC commissioners and letters to and

from commissioners (including Chairman ). Not all 12 allegations

were substantiated by the Committee.

* Broadband over Power Lines

Concerning BPL, the report alleges that FCC officials " ignored

complaints of radio frequency interference caused by BPL high-speed

Internet technology, delayed an enforcement investigation for two years

and improperly withheld engineering data regarding BPL from the public. "

The report found that in October 2004, as then-Chairman

issued his final rule " defining BPL access and setting technical and

administrative requirements to protect licensed radio operators from

harmful interference, " the FCC " withheld from the public certain

engineering reports on which it relied in promulgating the rule " from

the final rule and order.

Even though the BPL rules were adopted during 's tenure, the

report found that " it was under Chairman that the Enforcement

Bureau and the General Counsel continued to withhold the redacted

engineering reports and insisted on doing so in the course of the

ensuing litigation [with the ARRL] "

<http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2008/04/25/10064/>.

The report goes on to say that on April 25, 2008, the US Court of

Appeals for the DC Circuit found that the FCC, in the case filed by the

ARRL, " violated the Administrative Procedure Act when it played 'hide

and seek' with engineering data used in its support of the order and

'cherry-picked' a study on which it had relied "

<http://pacer.cadc.uscourts.gov/common/opinions/200804/06-1343-1112979.p

df>.

" The fact that the FCC withheld the required engineering reports in this

matter, " the report concluded, " indicates poor judgment and an attempt

to hide critical weaknesses in its decision. Ironically, the FCC's

attempts to hide this information only served to provoke suspicion and

its handmaiden, litigation. This case [filed by the ARRL] illustrates

the extent to which a culture of secrecy has developed at the FCC that

is as counterproductive as it is unnecessary. " The report states that

this " particular situation " has been corrected by the courts and

technological issues arising from BPL have been " rendered largely moot

over time due to improvements " in BPL technology.

" It is distressing, but unfortunately not surprising, " said ARRL Chief

Executive Officer Sumner, K1ZZ, " to read that the FCC's

mishandling of the BPL issue was simply a part of a broad pattern of

dysfunction at the Commission. This is a relatively recent development

and is unprecedented in the ARRL's long experience with the FCC -- an

association that dates back to the very creation of the agency, 20 years

after the founding of the ARRL. While the marketplace failure of BPL and

the steps taken voluntarily by the few companies that have deployed BPL

systems have combined to minimize interference, the regulatory issue is

by no means moot. The rules remain inadequate. "

Sumner continued: " More than seven months after the Court remand, the

FCC has done nothing to correct its errors, nor has it complied with the

very specific instructions from the United States Court of Appeals.

These instructions included the disclosure of the studies that it

intentionally withheld from the public, but upon which it relied in

adopting its rules. Indeed, the only step the Commission has taken since

the Court's remand order is to mount an unsuccessful effort to oppose

our claim for reimbursement of the printing costs for the briefs in the

case -- a small fraction of the expenses incurred by the ARRL in our

appeal -- expenses that would not have been necessary had the Commission

followed the law in the first place " <http://www.arrl.org/?artid=8338>.

* Other Findings by the Committee

The report also showed instances of where Chairman " manipulated,

withheld or suppressed data, reports and information, " and said 's

" manipulation [of another report] may have damaged the credibility of

the Commission, and certainly undermined the integrity of the staff.

Moreover, it was done with the purpose of affecting the congressional

decision-making, in that it was issued as a report to Congress. "

Saying that FCC matters have not been handled in an " open or transparent

manner, " the report said the FCC " rais[ed] suspicions both inside and

outside the Commission that some parties and issues are not being

treated fairly. " The report stated that the Committee's impressions were

" confirmed " when it discovered that Chairman made a " preemptory

reversal " of [a report's] conclusions and that did not seek

" further public comment or conduct further studies " thus giving the

impression " that the issue was not handled fairly or openly. "

The report also found that Chairman 's " heavy-handed, opaque and

non-collegial management style has created distrust, suspicion and

turmoil among the five current Commissioners. " The report states that

does not afford his fellow Commissioners " direct and unfettered

access to the Commission staff and their expert advice, thereby

hindering the ability of other Commissioners to carry out the duties of

their offices and the work of the Commission. "

The report also found that Commission staff have not been " effectively

managed. " When first became Chairman, he " imposed a major

reshuffling of FCC staff throughout the agency. " While the report said

that a " certain amount of reorganization is not unprecedented " when a

new Chairman begins his term, the reorganization " was highly unusual in

both its breadth (nearly every senior position at the agency changed

hands) and its depth (even a number on non-management line staffers

found themselves inexplicably reassigned). " Calling it a " waste of

resources, the report pointed out that senior employees with " extensive

experience and expertise " were reassigned to junior-level positions; as

a result, " it appears that some important Commission proceedings were

delayed. "

* Committee Methodology

Over the course of its investigation, the Committee staff reviewed

" several hundred thousand documents, including 95 boxes of paper

documents; conducted 73 interviews of current and former FCC employees

and individuals associated with the telecommunications industry;

solicited and received e-mails from FCC employees and contractors at a

secure e-mail address established for this purpose, and reviewed dozens

of allegations. " The report pointed out that since the investigation,

Chairman has taken " some small steps " to address some of the

problems outlined in the report.

The Committee also emphasized that not everything they found is included

in its report: " A few allegations were received so recently that they

have not been investigated and are not included [in the report]. We have

also excluded matters that seemed trivial per se. Still, other

allegations have not been adequately investigated because the FCC has

not yet produced all of the records requested by the Committee. "

Broadband Internet/Top of Obama's Plan!!!!

 

Sun Dec  14,  2008 12:14  pm (PST)

Two days ago on CNN news they showed a list of Obama's top 3 plans to bring the

economy back up. The 3rd one was to get Broadband internet on the power lines.

This is something that W. Bush was pushing hard during his 1st term and

then the issue seemed to go away.

When broadband is run on the power lines it is an unshielded signal. As I

understand it the signal comes into your home on the power line and turns every

electrical outlet into a internet link up. The wiring in your home all carries

the signal and turns your home into an antenna. It will be a nightmare for all

that are sensitive individuals. The articles I read at that time said that even

if your own home didn't have the signal that if anyone within 2 blocks of your

home did, the sensitive would still have reactions to it.

If you read anything more in the news about this, I hope you will share it with

the group so we can do what we can to stop this nightmare before it starts. In

the early Bush years, I read an article about a town in Japan that tested

broadband over power lines and it was a health nightmare. I can't find that

article now.

Anyway, heads up on this subject coming back into the news. Let's try to keep on

top of it.

[Guest guest]

I've heard that intelligence agencies are already doing something like this.

When they eavesdrop on or spy on someone they pull it out right through the

power lines in the house. We probably already have devices in our homes that

have spy hardware in them that allow the alphabet soup agencies to listen to and

watch us. And it already is going through the power grid.

Broadband Internet/Top of Obama's Plan!!!!

Sun Dec 14, 2008 12:14 pm (PST)

Two days ago on CNN news they showed a list of Obama's top 3 plans to bring

the economy back up. The 3rd one was to get Broadband internet on the power

lines. This is something that W. Bush was pushing hard during his 1st

term and then the issue seemed to go away.

When broadband is run on the power lines it is an unshielded signal. As I

understand it the signal comes into your home on the power line and turns every

electrical outlet into a internet link up. The wiring in your home all carries

the signal and turns your home into an antenna. It will be a nightmare for all

that are sensitive individuals. The articles I read at that time said that even

if your own home didn't have the signal that if anyone within 2 blocks of your

home did, the sensitive would still have reactions to it.

If you read anything more in the news about this, I hope you will share it

with the group so we can do what we can to stop this nightmare before it starts.

In the early Bush years, I read an article about a town in Japan that tested

broadband over power lines and it was a health nightmare. I can't find that

article now.

Anyway, heads up on this subject coming back into the news. Let's try to keep

on top of it.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/16/2008 1:35:18 A.M. GMT Standard Time,

skolyer@... writes:

When broadband is run on the power lines it is an unshielded signal. As I

understand it the signal comes into your home on the power line and turns

every electrical outlet into a internet link up. The wiring in your home all

carries the signal and turns your home

PUK REPLIES - If I react to this stuff like I do with the stray RF signal

from the man over the roads Plasma TV, then I am a dead man walking !

[Guest guest]

Oh my word - what happens in the US eventually spreads to the UK - who on earth

is advising these people???? don't they have scientific and health advisers????

From: Loni <loni326@...>

Subject: Broadband Internet/Top of Obama's Plan!!!!

chemicalinjury , environmental_illness001 ,

, " Libbey Kelley " <lkelley_45@...>, " Post "

<georgerpost@...>

Date: Monday, 15 December, 2008, 8:24 PM

 

Sun Dec  14,  2008 12:14  pm (PST)

Two days ago on CNN news they showed a list of Obama's top 3 plans to bring the

economy back up. The 3rd one was to get Broadband internet on the power lines.

This is something that W. Bush was pushing hard during his 1st term and

then the issue seemed to go away.

When broadband is run on the power lines it is an unshielded signal. As I

understand it the signal comes into your home on the power line and turns every

electrical outlet into a internet link up. The wiring in your home all carries

the signal and turns your home into an antenna. It will be a nightmare for all

that are sensitive individuals. The articles I read at that time said that even

if your own home didn't have the signal that if anyone within 2 blocks of your

home did, the sensitive would still have reactions to it.

If you read anything more in the news about this, I hope you will share it with

the group so we can do what we can to stop this nightmare before it starts. In

the early Bush years, I read an article about a town in Japan that tested

broadband over power lines and it was a health nightmare. I can't find that

article now.

Anyway, heads up on this subject coming back into the news. Let's try to keep on

top of it.

[Guest guest]

> Oh my word - what happens in the US eventually spreads to the UK - who on

> earth is advising these people???? don't they have scientific and health

> advisers????

Nobody seems to recognize the health problems with broadband over powerlines.

Fortunately, this sort of thing will likely never happen because it causes

radio interference (people with ES and Ham Radio operators share a common

interest!), and also I think it requires more upfront costs than wide

area Wi-Fi (and Wi-Fi is certainly preferable to broadband over powerlines!).

It will certainly never happen in the cities -- there are already plenty

of broadband options available already!

Marc

[Guest guest]

Some time ago, it was said, that in Finland, where they use PLC a lot, and

in a city in Germany as well as Switzerland, where they did a pilot test, an

outbreak of meningitus occurred.

Probably, because of the opening of the blodd-brain-barrier.

Anyway, Germany and Switserland refrained from working with PLC.

And as Marc says, there are easier ways for obtaining internet.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

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Re: Broadband Internet/Top of Obama's Plan!!!!

>> Oh my word - what happens in the US eventually spreads to the UK - who on

>> earth is advising these people???? don't they have scientific and health

>> advisers????

>

> Nobody seems to recognize the health problems with broadband over

> powerlines.

> Fortunately, this sort of thing will likely never happen because it causes

> radio interference (people with ES and Ham Radio operators share a common

> interest!), and also I think it requires more upfront costs than wide

> area Wi-Fi (and Wi-Fi is certainly preferable to broadband over

> powerlines!).

>

> It will certainly never happen in the cities -- there are already plenty

> of broadband options available already!

>

> Marc