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Rodney wrote:

>From reading the abstract I am not certain that another possibility might not be that the consumption of milk products diminished appetite and overall caloric intake, and thereby adipose tissue.

I do not see how there could be a "might" about "diminished caloric intake".

Calorie restriction was definitely a part of the study, & was measured

(for 24 weeks).

Appetite response of the participants (due to calorie restriction or the

foods provided) were not mentioned as a focus in the study. Whether or

not their reduced caloric intake was voluntary (due to a diminished appetite)

is not the point in the summary.

The point of the study is that "dietary calcium significantly augmented weight

and fat loss secondary to caloric restriction and increased the percentage

of fat lost from the trunk region, whereas dairy products exerted a substantially

greater effect.

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Hi Apricot:

Thanks for getting me to re-read the abstract.

You are right, the results had absolutely nothing to do with

diminished appetite, since they were all on the same CR number of

calories.

But, since they were all on a 500 kcal/day caloric deficit, I am

still puzzled about how increased calcium alone could dramatically

increase weight loss. The calories must be being disposed of one way

or another, unless the loss of weight is primarily water from fat

cells ....... Could the increased dairy product effect possibly be

a 'high-fat-Atkins' phenomenon? This clearly would depend on the

type of the additional dairy product used (lactose-free, full fat

cheese for example). But that still would not explain the increased

weight loss observed with the straight calcium supplementation.

So the possible explanations for this apparent violation of the

(immutable?) laws of thermodynamics, attributed to the calcium,

include: diminished caloric absorption; loss of water; elevated

metabolism; anything else?

But if it works, it works.

Rodney.

>

> >>From reading the abstract I am not certain that another

possibility might not be that the consumption of milk products

diminished appetite and overall caloric intake, and thereby adipose

tissue.

> >

>

> I do not see how there could be a " might " about " diminished caloric

> intake " . Calorie restriction was definitely a part of the study, &

was

> measured (for 24 weeks).

>

> Appetite response of the participants (due to calorie restriction

or the

> foods provided) were not mentioned as a focus in the study.

Whether or

> not their reduced caloric intake was voluntary (due to a diminished

> appetite) is not the point in the summary.

>

> The point of the study is that " dietary calcium significantly

augmented

> weight and fat loss secondary to caloric restriction and increased

the

> percentage of fat lost from the trunk region, whereas dairy

products

> exerted a substantially greater effect.

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