Re: Protein - Now I am confused!

[Guest guest]

Hi Doug:

Anyone who is not confused is not paying attention.

Rodney.

> Jeff &

> Now I am confused

[Guest guest]

>>Anyone who is not confused is not paying attention.

me too. Thankfully (?) I am allergic to Whey, so I dont have to pay attention

anymore.

-----Original Message-----

From: Rodney [mailto:perspect1111@...]

Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 4:07 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Protein - Now I am confused!

Hi Doug:

Rodney.

> Jeff &

> Now I am confused

[Guest guest]

That link doesn't do anything for me either. The idea is to retain as much muscle mass as possible, and not necessarily by a weight lifting strategy. If the whey doesn't help retain muscle, why do it? One reason is that veggie protein may not be enough protein for a 180#er. When he gets lighter it may.

IOW, I know I have adipose fat to lose and what's the best way to lose it, without sacrificing muscle?

My question is which "whey"? The Medline articles - I doubt will distinguish between the them.

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dowling

Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 4:20 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Protein - Now I am confused!

Whey has many health benefits beyond pure muscle building. There is debate about which is the "best" protein source for muscle building, but, personally, I don't just eat pure whey alone, with nothing else and I consider it a calorie efficient source of many important nutrients and immune system fortifying substances. A Medline search will reveal many studies attesting to the health benefits of whey. I would, of course, assume whey would help build muscle better than pure carbohydrate.>From: Doug Greenwood <douglasgreenwood@...>>Reply- > >Subject: Re: [ ] Protein - Now I am confused!>Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 09:51:05 -0700 (PDT)>>Jeff & >Now I am confused. My understanding is that this>article claims that there are no benefits to whey>supplements for building lean muscle mass. Science>News published an article 4/26/03 titled "Athletes>Develop Whey-Better Muscles". The conclusion of the>article was:>>"In the men taking whey-creatine supplements, the>cross-sectional area of such muscles increased 12>times as much as it did in the men getting just a>carbohydrate drink.">>"Whey's bodybuilding benefits might also help elderly>people, who typically lose muscle and strength over>time, says Cribb (SN: 8/10/96, p. 90:>http://www.sciencenews.org/sn_arch/8_10_96/bob1.htm).> Indeed, his colleagues are now investigating whey>supplementation for the geriatric set."

[Guest guest]

Jeff's ref did not explain anything for me. It dealt with specific amino acids given to endurance athletes and the results were that it had no effect. So what about using the BCAA included in whey, not individual amino supplements, for a person wanting additional protein? Not for megadosing, but just to get up to the req't with a veggie diet. I thought he might have some idea, since it was my impression he did the article.

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From: Rodney

Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 3:07 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Protein - Now I am confused!

Hi Doug:Anyone who is not confused is not paying attention.Rodney.

[Guest guest]

Dairy products, including whey, ought to help, as should CLA. Creatine might

also help retain muscle mass.

>From: " jwwright " <jwwright@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: Re: [ ] Protein - Now I am confused!

>Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:27:26 -0500

>

>That link doesn't do anything for me either. The idea is to retain as much

>muscle mass as possible, and not necessarily by a weight lifting strategy.

>If the whey doesn't help retain muscle, why do it? One reason is that

>veggie protein may not be enough protein for a 180#er. When he gets lighter

>it may.

>IOW, I know I have adipose fat to lose and what's the best way to lose it,

>without sacrificing muscle?

>

>My question is which " whey " ? The Medline articles - I doubt will

>distinguish between the them.

>

>Regards.

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Dowling

>

> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 4:20 PM

> Subject: Re: [ ] Protein - Now I am confused!

>

>

> Whey has many health benefits beyond pure muscle building. There is

>debate

> about which is the " best " protein source for muscle building, but,

> personally, I don't just eat pure whey alone, with nothing else and I

> consider it a calorie efficient source of many important nutrients and

> immune system fortifying substances. A Medline search will reveal many

> studies attesting to the health benefits of whey. I would, of course,

>assume

> whey would help build muscle better than pure carbohydrate.

>

>

> >From: Doug Greenwood <douglasgreenwood@...>

> >Reply-

> >

> >Subject: Re: [ ] Protein - Now I am confused!

> >Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 09:51:05 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> >Jeff &

> >Now I am confused. My understanding is that this

> >article claims that there are no benefits to whey

> >supplements for building lean muscle mass. Science

> >News published an article 4/26/03 titled " Athletes

> >Develop Whey-Better Muscles " . The conclusion of the

> >article was:

> >

> > " In the men taking whey-creatine supplements, the

> >cross-sectional area of such muscles increased 12

> >times as much as it did in the men getting just a

> >carbohydrate drink. "

> >

> > " Whey's bodybuilding benefits might also help elderly

> >people, who typically lose muscle and strength over

> >time, says Cribb (SN: 8/10/96, p. 90:

> >http://www.sciencenews.org/sn_arch/8_10_96/bob1.htm).

> > Indeed, his colleagues are now investigating whey

> >supplementation for the geriatric set. "

[Guest guest]

I think I'm allergic to "it" too, because the weight loss is more than I expected.

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From: Jeff Novick

Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 3:12 PM

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Protein - Now I am confused!

>>Anyone who is not confused is not paying attention.me too. Thankfully (?) I am allergic to Whey, so I dont have to pay attention anymore.