Re: We only sell to properly trained users.

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Dear Dr. Renier du Toit I do not agree completely with your statement and I would like to add to it my opinion. If I understood you are saying that only people with medical background should be using the device. If this is what you say, I'll remind you that prof. is a mathematician and not to make this a long list most of the people who invented devices that help for energy balancing are not certified medical persons. My point is that if somebody has a gift to heal and understand what is going on in the body , mind and spirit and has the brain and wish to learn, they can be a great biofeedback practitioner. It comes to my mind that there are thousands of MD that know the anatomy, physiology and everything about the body but are they helpful? (85%- misdiagnoses) Read the Bible and see who was healing- the doctors or the

healers. I do angry that there are sales people who push others to purchase the device just to make money. but please do not generalize the pushing sales person with the willing intelligent person who is able to learn and can do much better than some MD or people with certificates in the health field. Do not forget that prof. 's dream is to have this device in every home. It wasn't long ago when the computers were used only from people who study computer science. Now everybody can use it to the level they should, We still need the computer programmers and high level professionals in the field. This device was not invented to be used for medical purposes. Did you pass your coaching class? This is the trouble that practitioners who have some health certificates think they can cure and heal and make the device look like a medical

device, it is for stress and pain reduction. The body does the rest of the job. Hope I put my thoughts so you can understand my point. and yes, I am not a doctor, I only have MSc degree. yours in good health, katia Dr Renier du Toit <natmed@...> wrote: Hi Branco, I am

SO glad to hear that you only sell SCIO's to properly trained users!!! Other brokers sell SCIO devices to anyone with enough money - without any training as practitioners/therapists. A very real danger exists for the future of QXCI/SCIO Therapists/practitioners because untrained people are buying QXCI/SCIO machines, believing that they do not need any academic knowledge of pathology or remedies because the QXCI/SCIO machine is capable of infallible information. Unlike the Allopathic/orthodox medical profession, any lay person has access to the QXCI/SCIO machines. Short seminars by the brokers are regulary attended by these lay people who then have ready access to such machines. This situation reflects adversely on well-trained therapists and

practitioners who, due to their knowledge of anatomy, physiology and pathology and methods of treatment, have a reference point for any illness and remedy selection made by an instrument. In this setting, dangers from the subjective factor are mini mised and an approach such as the QXCI/SCIO becomes a valuable addition to the other skills of the therapist/practitioner. Dr Renier du Toit. MA(Clin.Psych.),PsyD,ND,DIHom. www.collegenaturalmedicine.co.za Re: where can I get a load code Dear The Budapest Home Office should be the place to go to get a load codewhen your Broker is not helping you. This is due to the fact that wewould follow up with the Broker to find out why they are notfulfilling their contractual requirements in helping their customers. Please contact the Budapest Home Office on +36-1-303-6043.Best regards, Group Moderator Miss your Messenger buddies when on-the-go? Get Messenger on your mobile!

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Dear Kate

What was and is meant here is that people and that means anybody that is prepared to learn and develop their knowledge working with Energetic Medicine SHOULD BE PROPERLY TRAINED ie. follow a study course relevant to what they wish to work with. There is no mention of exclusivity to Medical Doctors. I hope this will put your mind and heart at rest.

The training is available and should be used!!! the cost is very reasonable and should be taken advantage of.

Look on the IMUNE site for further information.

From: Kate Petrov

Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 8:36 PM

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Subject: Re: We only sell to properly trained users.

Dear Dr. Renier du Toit

I do not agree completely with your statement and I would like to add to it my opinion.

If I understood you are saying that only people with medical background should be using the device. If this is what you say, I'll remind you that prof. is a mathematician and not to make this a long list most of the people who invented devices that help for energy balancing are not certified medical persons.

My point is that if somebody has a gift to heal and understand what is going on in the body , mind and spirit and has the brain and wish to learn, they can be a great biofeedback practitioner.

It comes to my mind that there are thousands of MD that know the anatomy, physiology and everything about the body but are they helpful? (85%- misdiagnoses)

Read the Bible and see who was healing- the doctors or the healers.

I do angry that there are sales people who push others to purchase the device just to make money. but please do not generalize the pushing sales person with the willing intelligent person who is able to learn and can do much better than some MD or people with certificates in the health field.

Do not forget that prof. 's dream is to have this device in every home.

It wasn't long ago when the computers were used only from people who study computer science. Now everybody can use it to the level they should, We still need the computer programmers and high level professionals in the field.

This device was not invented to be used for medical purposes. Did you pass your coaching class?

This is the trouble that practitioners who have some health certificates think they can cure and heal and make the device look like a medical device, it is for stress and pain reduction.

The body does the rest of the job.

Hope I put my thoughts so you can understand my point.

and yes, I am not a doctor, I only have MSc degree.

yours in good health,

katia

Dr Renier du Toit <natmedmweb (DOT) co.za> wrote:

Hi Branco,

I am SO glad to hear that you only sell SCIO's to properly trained users!!! Other brokers sell SCIO devices to anyone with enough money - without any training as practitioners/therapists.

A very real danger exists for the future of QXCI/SCIO Therapists/practitioners because untrained people are buying QXCI/SCIO machines, believing that they do not need any academic knowledge of pathology or remedies because the QXCI/SCIO machine is capable of infallible information. Unlike the Allopathic/orthodox medical profession, any lay person has access to the QXCI/SCIO machines. Short seminars by the brokers are regulary attended by these lay people who then have ready access to such machines. This situation reflects adversely on well-trained therapists and practitioners who, due to their knowledge of anatomy, physiology and pathology and methods of treatment, have a reference point for any illness and remedy selection made by an instrument. In this setting, dangers from the subjective factor are mini mised and an approach such as the QXCI/SCIO becomes a valuable addition to the other skills of the therapist/practitioner.

Dr Renier du Toit.

MA(Clin.Psych.),PsyD,ND,DIHom.

www.collegenaturalmedicine.co.za

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I do agree, that the convencional medical doctors and industry are very frightened with the new medical and not medical devices for healing that pup up so often. And in their action of defence they forgot, that people need to be heal form conditions (on wchich oficial medicine put labels-terminology and make them private and goverment properties). The ethics of any person shoud dictate him to help the needy. Help is not a busines or money exchange, help is voluntary act of giving service from heart to someone in need. When people get sik, they need help form this people, who are capible to help them, not from nesseserly doktors, health praktitioners and holders of diplomas. In my opinion, the health care industry is so corupted from money tinking people in it, that the baisic human rights start to be sweeped off, and they are: help is help when is with pure attention, and when someone is sik, he need to be helped with no atention of any one to

make money from his misery, becouse this make him more miserable and in straight line it is malfeasance, practicing medicine in this way. I personaly know of at least five people who die from neglegence and misdiagnosise from doctors, practicing official medicine with diplomas. i personaly know thousand of people, who the doctors do not cure, but take their money on the regular basis. But this doctors are so tide and protected with their diplomas and so on, that no one can do eniting to them. So it is whit the drug industry. It become a string teory in action: more miserable, sik and poor, more money they want from you to get you "Well". On the other hand, I know countless people, who help and cure with out of any diploma, even a High School Diploma, and they do alow you to give them woluntary someting - a two tree egs, or candies or some usefoul tingh, that they often hendel them back to more needy, and

more offten they do recieve in exchenge only "Thanks", that make them hapy. I do know more and more people feared to go to doctors or hospitals, becouse they say, that doctors do not understeand anyting for human body and illneses and do more damige to them than good and fear their life will be in more danger seeng a doctor or visiting a hospital. So, what is the meaning of having a diploma and don't understeand what you learn, or learn and applay the knowlige with out of diploma? Whay - all want to do a learning proces second money making mashine after the pharma and med.? How much can be soack out from a sick and misirable person? Or live them to die, becouse they can't affort to go to doctors and have all this test, procedures and so on? Or leave the acute to become chronic, so we can charge more and more offten? What a matematical punctuality.Thoday

the doctor is forced to become a matematitian, a business man, not a healer, so, whay others cant be healers, like matematitians, bussiness mans/ womans and so on? And especialy philosophers, and street philosophers too:))) Speech cure too, it is a sound! Kate Petrov <kate_petrov@...> wrote: Dear Dr. Renier du Toit I do not agree completely with your

statement and I would like to add to it my opinion. If I understood you are saying that only people with medical background should be using the device. If this is what you say, I'll remind you that prof. is a mathematician and not to make this a long list most of the people who invented devices that help for energy balancing are not certified medical persons. My point is that if somebody has a gift to heal and understand what is going on in the body , mind and spirit and has the brain and wish to learn, they can be a great biofeedback practitioner. It comes to my mind that there are thousands of MD that know the anatomy, physiology and everything about the body but are they helpful? (85%- misdiagnoses) Read the Bible and see who was healing- the doctors or the healers. I do angry that there are sales people who push others to

purchase the device just to make money. but please do not generalize the pushing sales person with the willing intelligent person who is able to learn and can do much better than some MD or people with certificates in the health field. Do not forget that prof. 's dream is to have this device in every home. It wasn't long ago when the computers were used only from people who study computer science. Now everybody can use it to the level they should, We still need the computer programmers and high level professionals in the field. This device was not invented to be used for medical purposes. Did you pass your coaching class? This is the trouble that practitioners who have some health certificates think they can cure and heal and make the device look like a medical device, it is for stress and pain reduction. The body does the rest of

the job. Hope I put my thoughts so you can understand my point. and yes, I am not a doctor, I only have MSc degree. yours in good health, katia Dr Renier du Toit <natmedmweb (DOT) co.za> wrote: Hi Branco, I am SO glad to hear that you only sell SCIO's to properly trained users!!! Other brokers sell SCIO devices to anyone with enough money - without any training as practitioners/therapists. A very real danger exists for the future of QXCI/SCIO Therapists/practitioners because untrained people are buying QXCI/SCIO machines, believing that they do not need any academic knowledge of pathology or remedies because the QXCI/SCIO machine is capable of infallible information. Unlike the Allopathic/orthodox medical profession, any lay person has access to the QXCI/SCIO machines. Short seminars by the brokers are regulary attended by these lay people who then have ready access to such machines. This situation reflects adversely on well-trained therapists and practitioners who, due to their knowledge of anatomy, physiology and pathology and methods of treatment, have a reference point for any illness and remedy selection made by an instrument. In this setting, dangers from the subjective factor are mini mised and an approach such as the QXCI/SCIO becomes a valuable addition to the other skills of the

therapist/practitioner. Dr Renier du Toit. MA(Clin.Psych.),PsyD,ND,DIHom. www.collegenaturalmedicine.co.za Re: where can I get a load code Dear The Budapest Home Office should be the place to go to get a load codewhen your Broker is not helping you. This is due to the fact that wewould follow up with the Broker to find out why they are notfulfilling their contractual requirements in helping their customers.

Please contact the Budapest Home Office on +36-1-303-6043.Best regards, Group Moderator Miss your Messenger buddies when on-the-go? Get Messenger on your mobile! Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.

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Bill is not ONLY a mathematician he is also a fully trained homeopath.

Re: where can I get a load code

Dear The Budapest Home Office should be the place to go to get a load codewhen your Broker is not helping you. This is due to the fact that wewould follow up with the Broker to find out why they are notfulfilling their contractual requirements in helping their customers. Please contact the Budapest Home Office on +36-1-303-6043.Best regards, Group Moderator

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