Re: Uncle Sam Wants You Fat (and other stuff)

[Guest guest]

Hi Folks,

If some of you have interest in U.S. food politics, I recommend a

book I read last year, " Fat Land: How Americans Became the Fattest

People in the World "

http://www.houghtonmifflinbooks.com/catalog/titledetail.cfm?

titleNumber=688040

Here is another interesting interview, particularly the part where

Pollan discusses why the U.S. produces too many calories for too

cheaply. It involves Earl Butts, the secretary of agriculture who

lost his job after telling a dirty joke on a campaign plane in 1976:

http://www.loe.org/ETS/organizations.php3?

action=printContentItem & orgid=33 & typeID=18 & itemID=189 & User_Session=2c1

f913977ab6a94efbc99bdac5efee9

On another note, I talked with my doctor yesterday and he told me

that I could be healthier with less body fat and more lean muscle and

I think he is right even though I'm not " fat " (5'11 " and 167, BMI

23). I also told him that I am gradually losing weight and starting

CR. He says because of CR and my avoidance of meat (I am not a true

vegetarian for various reasons), I should make sure I get a lot of

protein. He suggested 150 grams a day. That sounded like a lot to

me. He also said to stick to the high end of a CR diet because I am

24 years old. I would have thought that I am done growing and

starting CR would be okay. What do you folks think about 150 grams

of protein and being CR conservative at age 24?

Peace,

> Last year, the United States Department of Agriculture got together

> with Nabisco and the Dairy Industry on a $1 million " Dunk and Win "

> promotion for Oreo cookies. The program is a not-so-subtle scheme

to

> promote milk, the number-one source of fat-both total and saturated-

> in the diets of American children, and a food with links to

prostate

> cancer and digestive problems. This month the USDA launched another

> sweepstakes: Spell M-I-L-K with specially marked Oreo cookies and

> you can win $100,000. A " back-to-school " milk-and cookie promotion

> aimed at school kids is set to kick off in August.

>

> These are just the latest in USDA's long history of shameless co-

> promotions for unhealthy foods. Mcs McRib Sandwish (490

> calories, 25 grams of fat), Subway's BBQ Rib Patty Sub (840/38),

and

> Dunkin' Donuts Steak, Egg, and Cheese Sandwich (640/26) were all

> government projects designed to fatten industry wallets at the

> expense of your family's health. More recently, your government

> worked with Taco Bell to promote its Steak Quesadillaq (540/31) and

> with 's on its Cheddar Lovers' Bacon Cheeseburger, which tips

> the scales at 690 calories and 40 grams of fat.

>

> Had enough? Tell the USDA it's time to get serious about America's

> obesity epidemic. Tell Secretary of Agriculture Ann Veneman to

worry

> less about the dairy and meat industries bottom line and more about

> America's waistline. Write to:

>

> The Honorable Ann M. Veneman, Secretary

> U.S. Department of Agriculture

> 1400 Independence Avenue, S.W., Roonm 200A

> Washington, D.C. 20250

> agsec@u...

>

[Guest guest]

I routinely preach conservatism when it comes to CR (although my politics apart from CR are quite different :-). OTOH, you're only 24 (one of the youngest probably in the group). If anyone can get away with strict CRON, it's a young person such as you.

But, why not start modestly as we suggest in our files and see what happens? I never did understand why people start off with grandiose plans before they see haw easy or difficult CRON is for them. Take it one day at a time. Read CR Made Easy and just start from there and see how it goes.

Since you are male, and very young, you may want to consider the (lack of) libido issue for extreme CRONIES. If I were a young guy of 24, my sex life would be of prime importance, which seems to me a lot more normal behavior than extreme CRON for a 24 year old.

on 6/23/2004 1:03 PM, joelnofziger at joelnofziger@... wrote:

> On another note, I talked with my doctor yesterday and he told me

> that I could be healthier with less body fat and more lean muscle and

> I think he is right even though I'm not " fat " (5'11 " and 167, BMI

> 23). I also told him that I am gradually losing weight and starting

> CR. He says because of CR and my avoidance of meat (I am not a true

> vegetarian for various reasons), I should make sure I get a lot of

> protein. He suggested 150 grams a day. That sounded like a lot to

> me. He also said to stick to the high end of a CR diet because I am

> 24 years old. I would have thought that I am done growing and

> starting CR would be okay. What do you folks think about 150 grams

> of protein and being CR conservative at age 24?

>

> Peace,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi :

Well since you ask, if you do not want to eat meat, eat 100 g of fish

a day. That is very easy. Very healthy. No cooking required. Eat

the canned varieties ......... salmon, mackerel, sardines, tuna,

herring, etc. ........ **rotating them to make sure you get

variety** ........ and an east coast oyster occasionally (for the

zinc).

Second, I suggest you get a decent fish-cook-book and once a week

cook yourself a different fish dish - but you will have to adapt most

of them to CRON. After a while you will have a small repertoire of

delicious, and very healthy, dishes.

Third, for weight loss do what you seem to be doing already, ease up

a couple of hundred calories a day. You will then lose about half a

pound a week until you get to where you want to be (which may

possibly be a body fat of 10% - the US Navy method for measuring this

can be found by searching the archives here.)

(I assume you have already followed Francesca's advice to drop all

the 'junk'.)

Fourth, log everything you eat into a web-based nutrient analysis

package for a full month, to find out if you have nutrient

deficiencies. I was startled at what I found when I did this (which

reminds me I haven't taken my calcium supplement for today yet).

Then, if you cannot shift your foods around to correct for those

deficiencies, take supplements for that purpose.

Fifth, take a *moderate* amount of exercise.

Sixth, keep logging in here and read and post what you learn

elsewhere that you think will be of help to the rest of us.

(Well you did ask!)

Rodney.

> Hi Folks,

" What do you folks think ....... "

>

> If some of you have interest in U.S. food politics, I recommend a

> book I read last year, " Fat Land: How Americans Became the Fattest

> People in the World "

> http://www.houghtonmifflinbooks.com/catalog/titledetail.cfm?

> titleNumber=688040

>

> Here is another interesting interview, particularly the part where

> Pollan discusses why the U.S. produces too many calories for too

> cheaply. It involves Earl Butts, the secretary of agriculture who

> lost his job after telling a dirty joke on a campaign plane in 1976:

> http://www.loe.org/ETS/organizations.php3?

>

action=printContentItem & orgid=33 & typeID=18 & itemID=189 & User_Session=2c1

> f913977ab6a94efbc99bdac5efee9

>

> On another note, I talked with my doctor yesterday and he told me

> that I could be healthier with less body fat and more lean muscle

and

> I think he is right even though I'm not " fat " (5'11 " and 167, BMI

> 23). I also told him that I am gradually losing weight and

starting

> CR. He says because of CR and my avoidance of meat (I am not a

true

> vegetarian for various reasons), I should make sure I get a lot of

> protein. He suggested 150 grams a day. That sounded like a lot to

> me. He also said to stick to the high end of a CR diet because I

am

> 24 years old. I would have thought that I am done growing and

> starting CR would be okay. What do you folks think about 150 grams

> of protein and being CR conservative at age 24?

>

> Peace,

>

[Guest guest]

, did your doctor explain *why* you needed such a large quantity of

protein? That sounds like an excessive amount to me, not to mention it

would be quite a burden trying to eat that much protein while still

restricting calories and not eating meat. You'd have to become a

fishaholic, or use protein powder on/in everything.

I weigh 30 lbs more than you and do just fine on 70-80 grams per day.

(|-|ri5

> On another note, I talked with my doctor yesterday and he told me

> that I could be healthier with less body fat and more lean muscle and

> I think he is right even though I'm not " fat " (5'11 " and 167, BMI

> 23). I also told him that I am gradually losing weight and starting

> CR. He says because of CR and my avoidance of meat (I am not a true

> vegetarian for various reasons), I should make sure I get a lot of

> protein. He suggested 150 grams a day. That sounded like a lot to

> me. He also said to stick to the high end of a CR diet because I am

> 24 years old. I would have thought that I am done growing and

> starting CR would be okay. What do you folks think about 150 grams

> of protein and being CR conservative at age 24?

>

> Peace,

>

>

> >

[Guest guest]

Some protein info:

" The results of nitrogen balance studies on endurance athletes indicates

that these athletes have protein requirements that exceed the USRDA of 0.8

g/kg/day. A study found that endurance athletes (defined as training for at

least 12 hours per week for at least 5 years) require 1.37 g/kg/day of

protein to maintain nitrogen balance compared to 0.73 g/kg/day for sedentary

individuals.

It appears that weight training can also lead to a daily protein requirement

that exceeds the current USRDA. It has been found that 2.0 to 2.2 g/kg/day

of protein was barely sufficient to maintain nitrogen balance during

moderate intensity weight training. Furthermore, weightlifter's protein

requirements increased proportionally to training intensity. Research has

shown that 2.0 to 2.6 g/kg/day of protein are required for periods of very

intense weight training, whereas protein intakes of 2.0 g/kg/day maintained

a positive nitrogen balance during periods of less intense weight training. "

http://www.exrx.net/Nutrition/Protein.html

>From: " chris " <motjuste@...>

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>Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Uncle Sam Wants You Fat (and other stuff)

>Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:45:00 +0300

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>, did your doctor explain *why* you needed such a large quantity of

>protein? That sounds like an excessive amount to me, not to mention it

>would be quite a burden trying to eat that much protein while still

>restricting calories and not eating meat. You'd have to become a

>fishaholic, or use protein powder on/in everything.

>

>I weigh 30 lbs more than you and do just fine on 70-80 grams per day.

>

> (|-|ri5

>

> > On another note, I talked with my doctor yesterday and he told me

> > that I could be healthier with less body fat and more lean muscle and

> > I think he is right even though I'm not " fat " (5'11 " and 167, BMI

> > 23). I also told him that I am gradually losing weight and starting

> > CR. He says because of CR and my avoidance of meat (I am not a true

> > vegetarian for various reasons), I should make sure I get a lot of

> > protein. He suggested 150 grams a day. That sounded like a lot to

> > me. He also said to stick to the high end of a CR diet because I am

> > 24 years old. I would have thought that I am done growing and

> > starting CR would be okay. What do you folks think about 150 grams

> > of protein and being CR conservative at age 24?

> >

> > Peace,

> >

> >

> > >

>