Re: moderation again! (was: Cholesterol: How Low Should You Go?)

[Guest guest]

My error: Liza May is in this group.

Nevertheless, when talking to the media and representing the CR Support

Group, the type of article that was in the Washington Post is what we should

be aiming for - not wearing extremism on our sleeve. An improvement in diet

is within reach of ANYONE . That's what we say in the group description.

on 7/1/2004 3:56 PM, Francesca Skelton at fskelton@... wrote:

> I winced when I read about that interview with Liza May. She's not in this

> group though and I would suggest that such eating (just one apple) is not

> what we want to project. If the CR Society thinks that is the way to

> respond to media requests, that's up to them. I hope noone in this group

> would project such an extreme image of CRON if talking to the media. IMO

> it's the wrong message.

>

> Eating even a couple of hundred calories a day less or even just cutting out

> the junk and unhealthy foods is something that anyone can do. And many of

> us on this list are in that category.

>

> We have urged Moderation often enough (at least on this board) .

>

> on 7/1/2004 3:43 PM, citpeks at citpeks@... wrote:

>

>>>>>

>>

>> Are you saying (or implying) that a lifestyle (or mine, more

>> specifically) that leads to a cholesterol under 160 is extreme?

>>>>>

>> . In an interview with

>> Liza May, a reporter wrote that on that particular day she had only

>> eaten one apple. The reporter left the reader with the impression

>> that she was not going to eat anything else that day, and everyone

>> knows that nobody can survive by eating only one apple per day. The

>> majority of the people do not understand CR and think that it is

>> abnormal and extreme.

[Guest guest]

You may be right about Liza. I met Liza, have corresponded with her offlist,

and thoroughly enjoyed her company and her recipes! And I never meant to

offend anyone. So Liza, if you're listening, ............

But many Society members who ARE extremists are the ones that are choosen to

talk to the media (and also dominate their board from what I remember).

BTW the amount of calories one eats are not necessarily relevant.

only eats 1100 cal a day and I don't consider her an extremist. She

looks great and is not " concentration camp " thin. What I call an extremist

is someone who is emaciated instead of healthy looking.

We recently on this board had several scientifically-supported posts which

discussed that too low of a BMI or weight was not life-enhancing, in fact

to the contrary.

on 7/1/2004 4:31 PM, ONeill at uptownguy34@... wrote:

> I think, to be fair to Liza May, that her comments may have been taken out of

> context. She is a nutritionist and certainly doesn't advocate eating nothing

> more than 1 apple a day. I don't think any of the more experienced people in

> the CR Society would advocate anything like that either. Many have a calorie

> intake anywhere from 1,500 to 2,000. Check out the profiles, which are

> available on the site. The younger and less experienced ones might push the

> boundaries of low-calorie eating, and of course, each person's calorie

> requirements are different. Unless I'm mistaken, Liza May herself remarked on

> one novice poster's ultra-low-calorie diet that the guy probably needed closer

> to 1,500 kCal/day.

>

[Guest guest]

Not to criticize or condone anyone, I don't there are ANY credentials for advising how to do CR in humans. All "experts" have been educated in the domain that excludes CR. Nutrition deals with a "growing body" concept.

I think 500 kcals is a suspect level for a woman. 1500 kcals suspect for a man.

No doubt we could avoid the press.

Moderation until we know better.

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From: ONeill

Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 3:31 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] moderation again! (was: Cholesterol: How Low Should You Go?)

I think, to be fair to Liza May, that her comments may have been taken out of context. She is a nutritionist and certainly doesn't advocate eating nothing more than 1 apple a day. I don't think any of the more experienced people in the CR Society would advocate anything like that either. Many have a calorie intake anywhere from 1,500 to 2,000. Check out the profiles, which are available on the site. The younger and less experienced ones might push the boundaries of low-calorie eating, and of course, each person's calorie requirements are different. Unless I'm mistaken, Liza May herself remarked on one novice poster's ultra-low-calorie diet that the guy probably needed closer to 1,500 kCal/day.

Further, from what I've come across on the CR Society list, I gather a number of people interviewed by the media have been fairly seriously misquoted on calorie levels and diet practices in general. I don't think I personally would want to talk to an interviewer. As I've said before, the typical media reaction to CRON seems to be that it is something akin to a doomsday cult. When the issue is framed in such a way to begin with, there is a tendency to tailor the facts to fit that view. I've definitely noticed in some of the articles I've read.