Re: rice, almond, and oat milks

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeanne: are you allergic to dairy? We've had recent posts about the

positive effects of (fat free) dairy in the diet, quite the opposite of your

diet which totally eliminates them.

Are you also allergic to grains?

We have a file on the benefits of grains ie. whole grains are associated

with good health and long life........

You never know what you'll be cutting out if you eliminate a whole food

group.

on 7/4/2004 11:34 PM, jeannechristensen2002 at

jeannechristensen2002@... wrote:

> Hi everyone,

>

> I haven't posted in awhile. I have been doing great with my change to

> whole foods (trying to make my nutrition optimal first before

> counting calories). I have totally eliminated dairy, with wonderful

> effects. I also had eliminated all grains, but found that I tolerate

> the sprouted grain bread (flourless) that walmart and health food

> stores sell. I have lost a few pounds too, but mostly I am encouraged

> by the reduction of abdominal fat I have been experiencing.

>

> Now I have had thoughts of upping my calcium intake by adding rice,

> almond, or oat milks to my diet. Has anyone heard anything negative

> about these? They are sold in " big juice boxes " in the health food

> section of stores.

>

> Thanks,

> Jeanne

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeanne:

Where do these foods get their calcium from? Neither rice nor oats

contain much calcium. Almonds have more, but not enough to qualify

as a 'good source' (1700 kcal of almonds contain about 800 mg Ca).

If they are getting their calcium from added calcium compounds

(supplemented) why not take the supplements on their own instead?

(the foods contain calories, the supplements do not).

But the oats and almonds may have other beneficial properties.

Rodney.

> Now I have had thoughts of upping my calcium intake by adding rice,

> almond, or oat milks to my diet. Has anyone heard anything negative

> about these? They are sold in " big juice boxes " in the health food

> section of stores.

[Guest guest]

>>Where do these foods get their calcium from? Neither rice nor oats

contain much calcium.

Some of the " alternative " milk products out there, like soy, rice, almond, oat,

have been fortifed with calcium. Many to equal the same amount that is in an

equivalent serving of dairy milk. You have to check each one to see if it is.

Jeff

[Guest guest]

This has always been my question too. Perhaps there's a benefit that

some supps work better after " soaked " (fortified) in foods. On the

other hand, the ingredient lists often do not identify the calcium form

(is it citrate, carbonate, oyster shell or what?). So perhaps the

supps separately allow for better quality.... ultimate bioavailability,

etc. I don't know.

Rodney wrote:

>If they are getting their calcium from added calcium compounds (supplemented)

why not take the supplements on their own instead? (the foods contain calories,

the supplements do not).

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>On the other hand, the ingredient lists often do not identify the calcium form

(is it citrate, carbonate, oyster shell or what?).

Some do, Like Silk Soy products list calcium carbonate as the source. Imagne

foods uses Tricalcium phosphate in its rice milks.

If it isnt listed on the product, usually the website or the company will tell

you if you call or write them

Jeff

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

Thanks for responding! I have found, to answer Francesca's question

about whether I am allergic to dairy, that I feel much better off

dairy. I can breathe easier, have more energy, and I like the taste

of rice milk better anyway. One of my sons has a previously

intractable rash that is now on its way out since he has been off

dairy for almost a week. (As an aside, I get joint pain if I eat too

much wheat, which is why I limit it.)

In the ingredient list, I have found " tricalcium phosphate " as the

calcium source for the rice milk. Regular calcium supplements make me

nauseous (even the chocolate and caramel flavored ones). I do eat

quite a bit of kale, collards, or chard every day, but I am nervous

about getting enough calcium since I am not a vegetarian.

I found several sites on tricalcium phosphate. The last site is the

Rice milk site, and it says that the tricalcium phosphate " occurs

naturally in phosphate rock and lime. "

http://www.dcchem.co.kr/english/product/p_basic/p_basic18.htm

http://health.discovery.com/encyclopedias/reference/drug.jsp?

drug=15051

http://www.imaginefoods.com/pages/products/ricedream.php

I am wondering if the phosphate would cause calcium LOSS in the body,

since phosphate sources such as phosphoric acid cause calcium

excretion. Does anyone know the answer?

Thanks,

Jeanne

>

> >If they are getting their calcium from added calcium compounds

(supplemented) why not take the supplements on their own instead?

(the foods contain calories, the supplements do not).

> >

> >