Re: In need of support

[Guest guest]

I am new here, so I'm not sure how old Cole is (cute name!) But I

definitely feel the guilt. Why didn't we do something when we first

noticed it at two months??etc. The thing is, we rely on our doctors

to tell us what to do. If they say they will " grow out of it " then

why question? (THis happened to us.) It's hard to hear " don't feel

guilty " but that's what I tell myself. It's not my fault (so hard to

type that because I feel that it IS in a way). It's the medical

community who failed us. Hopefully we can educate everyone else now.

And you say Cole is improving? That is great!! THink

positive+++++++++++++++

*hugs*

- mom to Logan (5 months, waiting for DOC prescription)

PA

> Hello,

>

> We managed to have a nice vacation, which started off with a great

> appointment with the orthotist. He said Cole is doing fantastic,

and he

> made some adjustments to the helmet. Despite the fact that I have

seen

> improvement, I am so distressed. I feel completely responsible for

the

> shape of his head, and I'm worried that it will never

look " normal " . I am

> really struggling with these feelings of guilt (for not doing a

better

> job... how could I have let it get so bad before demanding to see a

> specialist?) and anger (at the doctor for treating it so

casually). My

> husband is not having a hard time with this at all (he's confident

that it

> will all be fine, and he says if it had been up to him he would have

> listened to the ped and not gotten a helmet at all... so he gives

me credit

> for doing as much as we've done. But I'm afraid it's a case

of " too little,

> too late. " ) Anyone have some supportive words to share? I could

certainly

> use some

>

> Kia

[Guest guest]

Kia:

Do you think I am a bad mommy for allowing my daughter to be left in

a faulty product for 3 mos that left her head worse? Or do you think

I am bad becuz I waited til Abby was 8 mos before getting her

treatment, when her plagio was noticed at only 2 wks of age?? I am

sure you don't, which is why you have to stop beating yourself up

over this!!! You have done nothing wrong, absolutely nothing! Look

at how many members we have in our group - nearly 1400, every one of

us have shared your feelings of guilt at one time or another. But

you must move on & accept this. There's most likely not a lot you

could have done different, esp. with the way your Dr. brushed off

your concerns. We trust our Drs opinions. Cole is now getting

treatment and has rec'd correction! That's great news.

Seriously, look at everything you are doing right now to help

Cole!!! That is so important. It proves what a great mommy Cole has

and just how lucky he is to have you.

This is all part of parenting, the scary thing is---it's just the

beginning!! YIKES. You'll be doubting yourself for the next 18+

years!!! LOL Hang in there - HUGS!

Debbie abby's mom DOCGrad

MI

> Hello,

>

> We managed to have a nice vacation, which started off with a great

> appointment with the orthotist. He said Cole is doing fantastic,

and he

> made some adjustments to the helmet. Despite the fact that I have

seen

> improvement, I am so distressed. I feel completely responsible for

the

> shape of his head, and I'm worried that it will never

look " normal " . I am

> really struggling with these feelings of guilt (for not doing a

better

> job... how could I have let it get so bad before demanding to see a

> specialist?) and anger (at the doctor for treating it so

casually). My

> husband is not having a hard time with this at all (he's confident

that it

> will all be fine, and he says if it had been up to him he would have

> listened to the ped and not gotten a helmet at all... so he gives

me credit

> for doing as much as we've done. But I'm afraid it's a case

of " too little,

> too late. " ) Anyone have some supportive words to share? I could

certainly

> use some

>

> Kia

[Guest guest]

,

I always forget to put the information about Cole (and it's so hard

to keep track of everyone in this group... I'm relatively new too).

Cole is 7 1/2 months old and has been in his STARBand for 2 1/2

weeks. I know the doctors failed me, and that I had a full plate

(dealing with colic, allergies and trying to breastfeed, a 2 1/2 year

old sibling, etc.). But knowing that I did my best doesn't keep me

from wanting to re-write history (my husband is SOOO practical... he

just says we can't do that, so why even think about it?). Wish I

could stop the worry so easily! But thanks for the words of

support. It does help to know others have had similar experiences.

And the story of the doctor treating the plagio casually is all too

common, just from the short time I've been around the group. Logan

is still so young, and I'm sure you'll see great improvement. I wish

we had gotten Cole in his helmet at that age!

Kia

> > Hello,

> >

> > We managed to have a nice vacation, which started off with a great

> > appointment with the orthotist. He said Cole is doing fantastic,

> and he

> > made some adjustments to the helmet. Despite the fact that I

have

> seen

> > improvement, I am so distressed. I feel completely responsible

for

> the

> > shape of his head, and I'm worried that it will never

> look " normal " . I am

> > really struggling with these feelings of guilt (for not doing a

> better

> > job... how could I have let it get so bad before demanding to see

a

> > specialist?) and anger (at the doctor for treating it so

> casually). My

> > husband is not having a hard time with this at all (he's

confident

> that it

> > will all be fine, and he says if it had been up to him he would

have

> > listened to the ped and not gotten a helmet at all... so he gives

> me credit

> > for doing as much as we've done. But I'm afraid it's a case

> of " too little,

> > too late. " ) Anyone have some supportive words to share? I could

> certainly

> > use some

> >

> > Kia

[Guest guest]

Debbie,

Thanks for the words of support. I obviously am way too hard on

myself (a lifelong problem). I don't even blame my husband at all

for Cole's head shape... instead I feel completely to blame because

I'm the mom and should have known and done more. I just hope that

Cole receives lots of correction in the coming months... that will

make it much easier.

I recently edited my membership to receive emails again (I had turned

that off during vacation), but I'm not getting them. Any idea what

could be wrong?

Thanks,

Kia

> > Hello,

> >

> > We managed to have a nice vacation, which started off with a great

> > appointment with the orthotist. He said Cole is doing fantastic,

> and he

> > made some adjustments to the helmet. Despite the fact that I

have

> seen

> > improvement, I am so distressed. I feel completely responsible

for

> the

> > shape of his head, and I'm worried that it will never

> look " normal " . I am

> > really struggling with these feelings of guilt (for not doing a

> better

> > job... how could I have let it get so bad before demanding to see

a

> > specialist?) and anger (at the doctor for treating it so

> casually). My

> > husband is not having a hard time with this at all (he's

confident

> that it

> > will all be fine, and he says if it had been up to him he would

have

> > listened to the ped and not gotten a helmet at all... so he gives

> me credit

> > for doing as much as we've done. But I'm afraid it's a case

> of " too little,

> > too late. " ) Anyone have some supportive words to share? I could

> certainly

> > use some

> >

> > Kia

[Guest guest]

GIRL!!!! Keep that chin up an Kudos to you for doing what you have

done!!! just be thankful you are strong and determined and that you

are helping him dont harp on the past focus on the future....he is

going to have a great looking head and quite honestly I have NEVER

seen a perfect head and our little ones are going to be as close as

they can...so dont beat yourself up....give yourself a big pat on the

back for standing up for him....Hugs Trisha, Mom of Braeden

> Hello,

>

> We managed to have a nice vacation, which started off with a great

> appointment with the orthotist. He said Cole is doing fantastic,

and he

> made some adjustments to the helmet. Despite the fact that I have

seen

> improvement, I am so distressed. I feel completely responsible for

the

> shape of his head, and I'm worried that it will never

look " normal " . I am

> really struggling with these feelings of guilt (for not doing a

better

> job... how could I have let it get so bad before demanding to see a

> specialist?) and anger (at the doctor for treating it so

casually). My

> husband is not having a hard time with this at all (he's confident

that it

> will all be fine, and he says if it had been up to him he would have

> listened to the ped and not gotten a helmet at all... so he gives

me credit

> for doing as much as we've done. But I'm afraid it's a case

of " too little,

> too late. " ) Anyone have some supportive words to share? I could

certainly

> use some

>

> Kia

[Guest guest]

Kia, I definitely have felt the same guilt you are feeling. What helped me is

to

constantly remind myself that this is correctable and to look at as many

before and after pics as I could. There are many pics on the cranial tech

site and the plagiocephaly site. Do a search on plagiocephaly and there

will probably be more sites with pics to look at.

http://www.plagiocephaly.org/support/before-after.htm

http://www.cranialtech.com/help/before.html

ann/

NJ

DOCband 12 days

> Message: 12

> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:51:31 -0400

> From: " Kia " <kia@...>

> Subject: in need of support

>

> Hello,

>

> We managed to have a nice vacation, which started off with a great

> appointment with the orthotist. He said Cole is doing fantastic, and he

> made some adjustments to the helmet. Despite the fact that I have seen

> improvement, I am so distressed. I feel completely responsible for the

> shape of his head, and I'm worried that it will never look " normal " . I am

> really struggling with these feelings of guilt (for not doing a better

> job... how could I have let it get so bad before demanding to see a

> specialist?) and anger (at the doctor for treating it so casually). My

> husband is not having a hard time with this at all (he's confident that it

> will all be fine, and he says if it had been up to him he would have

> listened to the ped and not gotten a helmet at all... so he gives me credit

> for doing as much as we've done. But I'm afraid it's a case of " too little,

> too late. " ) Anyone have some supportive words to share? I could certainly

> use some

>

> Kia

>

[Guest guest]

Kia,

I think the majority of us here can relate to your post, word for

word. I know I personally have beaten myself up about my twins

needing bands so many times. The thing is, even though I know NOW

that the plagio isn't my fault, once in awhile I still struggle with

guilt. I keep reminding myself, and you will have to also, that we

are all wonderful parents here. And we are all doing the best to our

ability, to provide a good life for our children. If you had never

pursued the helmet for Cole, then I guess I could understand more the

feelings of guilt you are having. But the truth is, you have bucked

the system, went against the advice of a doctor and sought a

specialist, and you are now getting Cole on the road to a rounder

head. If you should feel responsible for anything, feel responsible

for doing an excellent job being Cole's mommy! Hindsight really is

20/20, and I'm sure we all wish we could go back and change something

in our lives, but this is something that I think you really are being

too harsh on yourself about. You can see Cole's head shape improving

already, I think its safe to assume you will continue to see even

more improvement! Just remember that when you start feeling down,

and remember we'll all here for you!

Niki

Kaylie & Danny (STAR grads)

Phila., PA

> Hello,

>

> We managed to have a nice vacation, which started off with a great

> appointment with the orthotist. He said Cole is doing fantastic,

and he

> made some adjustments to the helmet. Despite the fact that I have

seen

> improvement, I am so distressed. I feel completely responsible for

the

> shape of his head, and I'm worried that it will never

look " normal " . I am

> really struggling with these feelings of guilt (for not doing a

better

> job... how could I have let it get so bad before demanding to see a

> specialist?) and anger (at the doctor for treating it so

casually). My

> husband is not having a hard time with this at all (he's confident

that it

> will all be fine, and he says if it had been up to him he would have

> listened to the ped and not gotten a helmet at all... so he gives

me credit

> for doing as much as we've done. But I'm afraid it's a case

of " too little,

> too late. " ) Anyone have some supportive words to share? I could

certainly

> use some

>

> Kia

[Guest guest]

ann,

I look at those pictures all the time (especially the cranial tech site which has a severe brachy baby on it). They do help... I hope we get such great results. Thanks for the support.

Kia

in need of support>> Hello,>> We managed to have a nice vacation, which started off with a great> appointment with the orthotist. He said Cole is doing fantastic, and he> made some adjustments to the helmet. Despite the fact that I have seen> improvement, I am so distressed. I feel completely responsible for the> shape of his head, and I'm worried that it will never look "normal". I am> really struggling with these feelings of guilt (for not doing a better> job... how could I have let it get so bad before demanding to see a> specialist?) and anger (at the doctor for treating it so casually). My> husband is not having a hard time with this at all (he's confident that it> will all be fine, and he says if it had been up to him he would have> listened to the ped and not gotten a helmet at all... so he gives me credit> for doing as much as we've done. But I'm afraid it's a case of "too little,> too late.") Anyone have some supportive words to share? I could certainly> use some >> Kia>For more plagio info

[Guest guest]

Niki,

Thanks for the encouragement. I'm trying to focus on the good... it's been an uphill battle. I'm hoping that the more round his head gets, the easier that will be. Thankfully I did pursue the helmet when he was still young enough to benefit from it, and I really am trying to keep that in mind.

Kia (mom to Cole, STARBand since 6/18/02)

-----Original Message-----From: niki_jay175 [mailto:niki_jay175@...]Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 11:57 PMPlagiocephaly Subject: Re: in need of supportKia,I think the majority of us here can relate to your post, word for word. I know I personally have beaten myself up about my twins needing bands so many times. The thing is, even though I know NOW that the plagio isn't my fault, once in awhile I still struggle with guilt. I keep reminding myself, and you will have to also, that we are all wonderful parents here. And we are all doing the best to our ability, to provide a good life for our children. If you had never pursued the helmet for Cole, then I guess I could understand more the feelings of guilt you are having. But the truth is, you have bucked the system, went against the advice of a doctor and sought a specialist, and you are now getting Cole on the road to a rounder head. If you should feel responsible for anything, feel responsible for doing an excellent job being Cole's mommy! Hindsight really is 20/20, and I'm sure we all wish we could go back and change something in our lives, but this is something that I think you really are being too harsh on yourself about. You can see Cole's head shape improving already, I think its safe to assume you will continue to see even more improvement! Just remember that when you start feeling down, and remember we'll all here for you!NikiKaylie & Danny (STAR grads)Phila., PA> Hello,> > We managed to have a nice vacation, which started off with a great> appointment with the orthotist. He said Cole is doing fantastic, and he> made some adjustments to the helmet. Despite the fact that I have seen> improvement, I am so distressed. I feel completely responsible for the> shape of his head, and I'm worried that it will never look "normal". I am> really struggling with these feelings of guilt (for not doing a better> job... how could I have let it get so bad before demanding to see a> specialist?) and anger (at the doctor for treating it so casually). My> husband is not having a hard time with this at all (he's confident that it> will all be fine, and he says if it had been up to him he would have> listened to the ped and not gotten a helmet at all... so he gives me credit> for doing as much as we've done. But I'm afraid it's a case of "too little,> too late.") Anyone have some supportive words to share? I could certainly> use some > > KiaFor more plagio info

[Guest guest]

Thanks Trisha, I'm trying to keep that chin up. Now that I'm really paying attention to kid's heads, I'm amazed by how many not-so-perfect heads I'm seeing!

Kia

-----Original Message-----From: ttm41 [mailto:ttm41@...]Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 4:53 PMPlagiocephaly Subject: Re: in need of supportGIRL!!!! Keep that chin up an Kudos to you for doing what you have done!!! just be thankful you are strong and determined and that you are helping him dont harp on the past focus on the future....he is going to have a great looking head and quite honestly I have NEVER seen a perfect head and our little ones are going to be as close as they can...so dont beat yourself up....give yourself a big pat on the back for standing up for him....Hugs Trisha, Mom of Braeden> Hello,> > We managed to have a nice vacation, which started off with a great> appointment with the orthotist. He said Cole is doing fantastic, and he> made some adjustments to the helmet. Despite the fact that I have seen> improvement, I am so distressed. I feel completely responsible for the> shape of his head, and I'm worried that it will never look "normal". I am> really struggling with these feelings of guilt (for not doing a better> job... how could I have let it get so bad before demanding to see a> specialist?) and anger (at the doctor for treating it so casually). My> husband is not having a hard time with this at all (he's confident that it> will all be fine, and he says if it had been up to him he would have> listened to the ped and not gotten a helmet at all... so he gives me credit> for doing as much as we've done. But I'm afraid it's a case of "too little,> too late.") Anyone have some supportive words to share? I could certainly> use some > > KiaFor more plagio info

[Guest guest]

I would suggest bringing salads . It's what I have every day for lunch.

There are also some good ideas in our " food on the run " file under the

folder: IMPROVING YOUR CRON PROGRAM. Some ideas are small cans of V-8,

nuts, balance bars, beef jerky, and of course small tins of fish (which your

boss has complained about).

Why do you have to eat at your desk? Isn't there any other place to eat

lunch somewhere around? If not, can't you go out to a park or bench and

eat there when weather permits? Have you explained to your boss that your

food options are limited?

on 7/2/2004 1:26 PM, Katrina at katnap@... wrote:

> This isn't an easy e-mail for me to write, but I am in need of a

> little support.

>

> As some of you know, I have coeliac disease and I am unable to eat

> anything with gluten or casein in it. This makes diet a little

> tough, especially when away from home or at work. But I have

> managed to adapt, and I used to eat plenty of fruit and fish/oysters

> whilst at work. The problem is that the fruit caused me some

> serious digestive ailments, including a very embarassing one. So I

> cut out the fruit, and I got up early every day and cooked things

> like chicken and cabbage/kail for breakfast and lunch. Then my boss

> complained that I was not allowed to eat " smelly food " at my desk,

> and this included my chicken dish and my fish/oyster snacks.

>

> So I started packing rice biscuits, etc. that are high in carbs.

> And, as expected, I became addicted to high carb foods and I started

> binging. I've now gained 10lbs, and I know I have to do something

> to get back on my CRON diet. I'm just not sure what to do.

>

> I know some here make mega vegetable meals at the beginning of each

> week and pack them. I doubt those smell, so that could be a

> solution. But I worry about how many vitamins are lost over the

> period of the week. I know veggies and fruit lose a lot of

> nutrition each and every day.

>

> Could someone give me some pointers and ideas?

>

> Also, does anyone have any good techniques for beating the carb

> addiction whilst moving to a mostly-veg diet?

>

> Thanks,

> Katrina.

[Guest guest]

Francesca Skelton wrote:

Why

do you have to eat at your desk? Isn't there any other place to eat

lunch somewhere around? If not, can't you go out to a park or bench

and

eat there when weather permits? Have you explained to your boss that

your

food options are limited?

These thoughts occurred to me as well. I lost weight on my vacation,

why? No snacks I think. This seems to be Katrina's problem, it is

certainly mine. If there is a break room, how about do not eat at your

desk?

One thing that helps me is soy protein (I guess Whey would work as well

but I have not tried it) in either a smoothie or oatmeal for breakfast.

I just am not as hungry when I do that.

One other idea, if you can make a large patch of soup every weekend,

lets say 6 large servings. Eat one serving and freeze the rest. After 5

weeks you will have 5 different soups in varing qualtities. Just when

you are probably tired of the soup you can use a new recipe. If you

avoid a cream soup it is difficult to get a bad soup. If there is a

microwave at work, just take the frozen soup with you. If not microwave

it yourself at home and put it in a thermos. This is an old Dr Roy idea

from his first book that has worked for me in the past,

Positive Dennis (back from vacation to rest up)

on 7/2/2004 1:26 PM, Katrina at katnap@... wrote:

> This isn't an easy e-mail for me to write, but I am in need of a

> little support.

>

> As some of you know, I have coeliac disease and I am unable to eat

> anything with gluten or casein in it. This makes diet a little

> tough, especially when away from home or at work. But I have

> managed to adapt, and I used to eat plenty of fruit and

fish/oysters

> whilst at work. The problem is that the fruit caused me some

> serious digestive ailments, including a very embarassing one. So I

> cut out the fruit, and I got up early every day and cooked things

> like chicken and cabbage/kail for breakfast and lunch. Then my

boss

> complained that I was not allowed to eat "smelly food" at my desk,

> and this included my chicken dish and my fish/oyster snacks.

>

> So I started packing rice biscuits, etc. that are high in carbs.

> And, as expected, I became addicted to high carb foods and I

started

> binging. I've now gained 10lbs, and I know I have to do something

> to get back on my CRON diet. I'm just not sure what to do.

>

> I know some here make mega vegetable meals at the beginning of each

> week and pack them. I doubt those smell, so that could be a

> solution. But I worry about how many vitamins are lost over the

> period of the week. I know veggies and fruit lose a lot of

> nutrition each and every day.

>

> Could someone give me some pointers and ideas?

>

> Also, does anyone have any good techniques for beating the carb

> addiction whilst moving to a mostly-veg diet?

>

> Thanks,

> Katrina.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Dennis.

Unfortunately, there is no break room, but we do have a microwave.

I stay away from all dairy and soy, so it's pretty much just meat,

veg, and rice for me these days. But I like the frozen soup idea,

as I can be very creative with those.

Thanks,

Kat.

[Guest guest]

Salads are a good idea, but I know that I get bored with those very

quickly. Any snack food is a bad idea for me, as I do not have the

willpower to stop eating them. Part of the 10lbs that I gained

recently was from snacking on nuts. Plus, balance bars tends to

have soy, dairy, and/or gluten in them - so I can't eat those

Lastly, I am an emotional eater, so I really have to make sure that

I stay away from nibble foods.

There is no other place to eat at my work place, and I am usually

way too busy to descend 6 flights of steps and walk to the park to

have a mid-morning snack.

I have explained my limited diet to my boss, but he just gives me

the stone wall and says that smelly foods are not allowed. Which

pretty much means anything except sandwiches, nuts, biscuits, and

the like.

I figure at the moment that I am eating 2500 calories per day.

Sigh. It's pretty stressful at work and home, and I think that is

the reason. I'm working on removing the stress, but that can take

time, as we all know...

Thanks for your ideas, it was appreciated.

Kat.

[Guest guest]

> This isn't an easy e-mail for me to write, but I am in need of a

> little support.

>

> As some of you know, I have coeliac disease and I am unable to eat

> anything with gluten or casein in it. <snip>

> Could someone give me some pointers and ideas?

>

> Also, does anyone have any good techniques for beating the carb

> addiction whilst moving to a mostly-veg diet?

>

> Thanks,

> Katrina.

I rarely eat wheat or other gluten containing grains - my son is

allergic. You can look at my blog at crdiary.blogspot.com and see if

there are any ideas for you. As a former carb addict, you have my

sympathy. For the first six months, I ate virtually no grains, almost

no fruit and no desserts. Kind of cold turkey. I track my nutrition

every day - as you can see in my blog. I have a dieting buddy whose

nutritionist is telling him to record his food in this way. It's a

very effective technique. Having to think about recording what you

are eating engages you rational frontal lobes and lets you get

control over your limbic system that is telling you to eat, eat, eat.

[Guest guest]

I continue to experiment with " freeze cooking " veggies. I am too lazy to

prep daily salads so I have started freezing cut vegetables days before

cooking a soup/stew and then introducing the frozen vegs at the final stage

of cooking. I get the texture of a cooked vegetable but the taste and very

likely vitamin content more like fresh (actually more like fresh-frozen).

Since I then freeze the prepared dishes for microwave reheating I expect the

vitamin degradation to be similar to frozen vegetables that are never

cooked. I don't know if that has even been specifically measured.

JR

-----Original Message-----

From: Katrina [mailto:katnap@...]

Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 12:26 PM

Subject: [ ] In need of support

This isn't an easy e-mail for me to write, but I am in need of a

little support.

As some of you know, I have coeliac disease and I am unable to eat

anything with gluten or casein in it. This makes diet a little

tough, especially when away from home or at work. But I have

managed to adapt, and I used to eat plenty of fruit and fish/oysters

whilst at work. The problem is that the fruit caused me some

serious digestive ailments, including a very embarassing one. So I

cut out the fruit, and I got up early every day and cooked things

like chicken and cabbage/kail for breakfast and lunch. Then my boss

complained that I was not allowed to eat " smelly food " at my desk,

and this included my chicken dish and my fish/oyster snacks.

So I started packing rice biscuits, etc. that are high in carbs.

And, as expected, I became addicted to high carb foods and I started

binging. I've now gained 10lbs, and I know I have to do something

to get back on my CRON diet. I'm just not sure what to do.

I know some here make mega vegetable meals at the beginning of each

week and pack them. I doubt those smell, so that could be a

solution. But I worry about how many vitamins are lost over the

period of the week. I know veggies and fruit lose a lot of

nutrition each and every day.

Could someone give me some pointers and ideas?

Also, does anyone have any good techniques for beating the carb

addiction whilst moving to a mostly-veg diet?

Thanks,

Katrina.

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Katrina,

My ISP spam filter was turned up and deleted your message I think. Please

resend last message to CR support group.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Katrina,

My ISP spam filter was turned up and deleted your message I think. Please

resend last message to CR support group.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

: please be considerate and send messages like this (which are of interest to only one other member ) OFF List. I don't mean to single you out but this is a good example of what I mean for everyone to please adhere to.

Any message to just one other member (such as " Thank you " , for example) are not fodder for the other 1800 members.

on 9/22/2005 12:38 PM, Seedman, D.V.M. at beyondreach@... wrote:

Katrina,

My ISP spam filter was turned up and deleted your message I think. Please

resend last message to CR support group.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

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on 9/22/2005 12:38 PM, Seedman, D.V.M. at beyondreach@... wrote:

Katrina,

My ISP spam filter was turned up and deleted your message I think. Please

resend last message to CR support group.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Hi (((((bumncab))))))))))) Sorry I don't know your name - but I am sending along

gentle hugs to you....

I am always saying that one of the biggest problems in life is money. It can

cause more problems than it is worth most of the time. I know that with the

court raising the money your household pays out by and extra $126.00 a month,

that it is putting you in a bad pinch.

That being said, the focus here is you and your health and what this outside

circumstance has done to you and your health. With your being unable to work,

the added burden of the extra expense going out each month plays a big part, I

would imagine on your stress factors right now.... I understand because, I am

unable to work at the moment - thank God my kids are all grown, but I live with

one of my children and her husband. At times it gets hard to live here - I have

no money and am pretty much stuck here until I can get better and start back to

work - - -

There are days that I just have to go to my room, shut the door and just rest

and focus on taking care of me - because all the stresses and worries do nothing

but seem to make me sicker. So, I used the Serenity Prayer a lot - if you know

it, I suggest it as a good way to let go of those things you have no control

over - but bring you down emotionally and physically.

http://www.cptryon.org/prayer/special/serenity.html

I am praying for you and your husband that you will be able to figure out a way

to make the extra monies going out each month work - and perhaps something will

come along that will help replace that money that is going out. I have no idea

what it might be, but I have seen such things happen before in my life....

Please remember to take care of yourself - if you don't take care of you - no

one else will - and right now - you have to look after you... then as you are

able you can look after everyone else...

You are in my prayers,

Rose

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[Guest guest]

Stress is very hard on your illness. Sorry what's going on with your

income. Have you tried getting some type of assistance like food

stamps, so you can have the money for bills? It's not easy, that is

for sure. You might talk to your doctor about your added stress,

maybe he can help you with a anti-depressant, or some type of med for

it. Take care, Tawny

>

> Hey group, how is everyone doing? I hope that today is finding

> everyone well. I Have been having a very hard time for the last few

> days. First I had to do more cleaning around my house, then what I

> normaly do, because noone else in the house would do it. So by

doing

> that my problems have flared up really bad the last few days. I

have

> been having trouble walking and trying to sleep is a joke. But then

> today came and now I feel completely lost and depressed. My husband

> has a 4 year old son and today my husband had to go to court to

have

> his child support modified. It didn't go well. The court decided to

> up his support from $160/month to $286/month. We were barely

surving

> before and now I don't know what we are going to do. I can't work

> right now and with what my husband was bringing home we were having

a

> hard time. Now I don't now how we are going to pay rent or buy

food.

> Don't get me wrong I am all for parents supporting their children

but

> when the primary parent is better off then the secondary that

should

> be taken into consideration. My stepson's mother makes twice what

my

> husband does and she still lives at home with her parents. They are

> always taking my stepson to florida (atleast 6 times a year)

without

> informing my husband. Right now I am just very lost on how we are

> going to survive and it is causing me to stress out. And as we all

> know stress adds to our pain. So, needless to say I am finding it

> very hard to cope at the moment with what happened today and with

my

> pain. Thank you all so much for listening to me and my problems.

> Still trying to keep my head up but it's getting very hard. Take

care

> everyone. Hugs of warmth and love to all.

>

[Guest guest]

Instead of an anti-depressant...sign up for a joke of the day. Check out a

joke book from the library. Check out a funny movie from the library. Go

out in the sun for 5-10 minutes. Real Vitamin D helps with depression just

don't burn! If you are a Christian, read the bible. Check with your church

for a support group/bible study or even free books that they might

have. Our church calls them small groups, other churches call them family

group. We also have a free library that people trade Christian books. Our

pastor is doing a neat series. He said at the start their are three types

of people in this room: people who just went through a storm, people in a

storm and people about to go into a storm. Anti-depressants should be the

last choice. They serve to mask the problems in life. Many also inhibit

thyroid function.

I say this as a person who has been through a major depression and has

fought going into another depression. Yes, life can be depressing, but

there is hope. No, we aren't in control. I like a book called Daily

Splashes of Joy by Barbara . She has been through many things in

her life and has much whit and humor. I picked it up for $5 at the

Christian book store. She has several others that I'd like to read.

I am not saying that I never have bad days, I have plenty! We are up to

our eye balls in credit card debit, and I lost my job...new job pays a 1/4

of the old job...can't work a regular job. Heck I tried to sell our wedding

dishes, but the edish company won't buy them..not enough request for the

pattern. So my husband and I turned it into a laugh. But I can't let that

drag me down.

Know that I am praying for everyone on this list. Don't let this disease

(and any other diseases you have) get you down!

Kate G

Hashi's

AS

At 09:07 PM 6/26/2007, you wrote:

>Stress is very hard on your illness. Sorry what's going on with your

>income. Have you tried getting some type of assistance like food

>stamps, so you can have the money for bills? It's not easy, that is

>for sure. You might talk to your doctor about your added stress,

>maybe he can help you with a anti-depressant, or some type of med for

>it. Take care, Tawny

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: " Kate Guynn " <kguynn@...>>

> I say this as a person who has been through a major depression and has

> fought going into another depression.

I'm glad that you were able to make it through it without antidepressants.

I did try that route thinking if I just tried a little harder, I could fix

things myself. It didn't work. I kept getting worse and worse until

finally, I found myself at the pointing of thinking " I should give my

(beloved) crafts supplies away. I never use them. " I wasn't suicidal, but

catching myself thinking that, made me realize how far down I had gone. If

I had just given in earlier and used antidepressants sooner, I might have

had to only be on them for six months to a year. As it is, I will have to

use antidepressants for my major depression, probably for the rest of my

life. No, I don't think people should rush to use them at the first moment

of blues, but there is no sense in going through what I did when there is

help available.

Darcy