Guest guest Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 I suggest you read our file: " CR Made Easy " . Cut way back on the pasta and make it whole wheat pasta when you do eat it if you want to do CRON. Substitute more veggies and some fruit. Read all our files under " Beginning CRON " and be sure to read Dr W's book " Beyond the 120 Year Diet " , if you haven't yet. on 9/4/2004 11:02 AM, glintdec at glintdec@... wrote: > Hi All, > > I am a 34 year old male from Malta in the Med. Stopped smoking 8 > months ago, my weight was around 70kilos I gained 12 Kilos. I have > started dieting and am very interested in the CRD lifestyle. I have > been trying this diet out for the last month and lost 6 kilos. My > diet is based on fish, pasta and vegetables. Must say that this is a > typical diet for any meditteranean guy. I do eat chicken and rabbit > but hardly eat red meat and eggs. My weight gain was due to > chocolate and additional in between meals. My first question is, I > am an active blood donor, by the way in Malta we do it for free. > Will CRD and blood donating have a negative effect? Should I take > more vitamin supplements? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2004 Report Share Posted September 5, 2004 Shouldn't we find out how much pasta he eats before recommending that he " cut 'way back " ? I think the best recommendation for anyone is to find what works best for them given conditions and food choices available to them. For example, although I am sure you didn't mean it, your post makes it sound like if you are eating regular instead of whole-wheat pasta, then you aren't doing CRON. If I believed that, it would be very discouraging because whole-wheat pasta is simply not for sale where I live. I think there are lots of different ways to do CRON, and, within certain very general boundaries, if they work well for us and our unique personal makeup, they are Correct. JMO, (|-|ri5 > -----Original Message----- > From: Francesca Skelton [mailto:fskelton@...] > Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 6:45 PM > > Subject: Re: [ ] Newcomer > > > I suggest you read our file: " CR Made Easy " . Cut way back on the pasta > and make it whole wheat pasta when you do eat it if you want to do CRON. > Substitute more veggies and some fruit. Read all our files under > " Beginning > CRON " and be sure to read Dr W's book " Beyond the 120 Year Diet " , if you > haven't yet. > > > on 9/4/2004 11:02 AM, glintdec at glintdec@... wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > I am a 34 year old male from Malta in the Med. Stopped smoking 8 > > months ago, my weight was around 70kilos I gained 12 Kilos. I have > > started dieting and am very interested in the CRD lifestyle. I have > > been trying this diet out for the last month and lost 6 kilos. My > > diet is based on fish, pasta and vegetables. Must say that this is a > > typical diet for any meditteranean guy. I do eat chicken and rabbit > > but hardly eat red meat and eggs. My weight gain was due to > > chocolate and additional in between meals. My first question is, I > > am an active blood donor, by the way in Malta we do it for free. > > Will CRD and blood donating have a negative effect? Should I take > > more vitamin supplements? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2004 Report Share Posted September 5, 2004 He said his diet is based on 3 items: fish, pasta and vegetables. One can infer that pasta is a large part of his diet from that statement. I do maintain that if one is eating a lot of regular pasta, (rather than an occasional serving) one is not doing CRON - esp. the ON part. These would be empty calories and cutting down on empty calories is an essential component of CRON. There is also the school of thought that pasta, white bread and starches lead to shorter life (as seen in lower animals). I won't go there in this post, but as someone who occasionally eats pasta myself, I would certainly recommend to cut back until we know more. I'm no fanatic and believe that people should leave some of the joy of eating in life (if it's pasta that they enjoy). But as a steady diet, not if you're a CRONIE, on 9/5/2004 5:34 AM, chris at motjuste@... wrote: > > Shouldn't we find out how much pasta he eats before recommending that he > " cut 'way back " ? I think the best recommendation for anyone is to find what > works best for them given conditions and food choices available to them. > > For example, although I am sure you didn't mean it, your post makes it sound > like if you are eating regular instead of whole-wheat pasta, then you aren't > doing CRON. If I believed that, it would be very discouraging because > whole-wheat pasta is simply not for sale where I live. > > I think there are lots of different ways to do CRON, and, within certain > very general boundaries, if they work well for us and our unique personal > makeup, they are Correct. > > JMO, > > (|-|ri5 > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Francesca Skelton [mailto:fskelton@...] >> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 6:45 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [ ] Newcomer >> >> >> I suggest you read our file: " CR Made Easy " . Cut way back on the pasta >> and make it whole wheat pasta when you do eat it if you want to do CRON. >> Substitute more veggies and some fruit. Read all our files under >> " Beginning >> CRON " and be sure to read Dr W's book " Beyond the 120 Year Diet " , if you >> haven't yet. >> >> >> on 9/4/2004 11:02 AM, glintdec at glintdec@... wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I am a 34 year old male from Malta in the Med. Stopped smoking 8 >>> months ago, my weight was around 70kilos I gained 12 Kilos. I have >>> started dieting and am very interested in the CRD lifestyle. I have >>> been trying this diet out for the last month and lost 6 kilos. My >>> diet is based on fish, pasta and vegetables. Must say that this is a >>> typical diet for any meditteranean guy. I do eat chicken and rabbit >>> but hardly eat red meat and eggs. My weight gain was due to >>> chocolate and additional in between meals. My first question is, I >>> am an active blood donor, by the way in Malta we do it for free. >>> Will CRD and blood donating have a negative effect? Should I take >>> more vitamin supplements? >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2004 Report Share Posted September 5, 2004 I see where you are coming from: maximum ON. I was thinking more in terms of Adequate Nutrition. However, if you want to maximise the nutrition in everything you eat, then cutting out regular pasta would be a good idea. When I first started CR, I ate only 1500 cal/day and thus ate no pasta at all. I've gradually had to increase my intake because I was losing weight too fast. Now I'm at 2000 cal/day and have plenty of room for relatively non-nutrient dense foods like pasta. I have no trouble getting two or three times the RDA vit & min, fiber, and 1 gram of protein per kg of bodyweight, while still eating 350 calories of starches like potatoes or pasta a day. Maybe it means I'm not doing CRON, but it works for me and I can't see how changing is going to help. (|-|ri5 > > > He said his diet is based on 3 items: fish, pasta and > vegetables. One can > infer that pasta is a large part of his diet from that statement. I do > maintain that if one is eating a lot of regular pasta, (rather than an > occasional serving) one is not doing CRON - esp. the ON part. These would > be empty calories and cutting down on empty calories is an essential > component of CRON. > > There is also the school of thought that pasta, white bread and starches > lead to shorter life (as seen in lower animals). I won't go there in this > post, but as someone who occasionally eats pasta myself, I would certainly > recommend to cut back until we know more. I'm no fanatic and believe that > people should leave some of the joy of eating in life (if it's pasta that > they enjoy). But as a steady diet, not if you're a CRONIE, > > > on 9/5/2004 5:34 AM, chris at motjuste@... wrote: > > > > > Shouldn't we find out how much pasta he eats before recommending that he > > " cut 'way back " ? I think the best recommendation for anyone is > to find what > > works best for them given conditions and food choices available to them. > > > > For example, although I am sure you didn't mean it, your post > makes it sound > > like if you are eating regular instead of whole-wheat pasta, > then you aren't > > doing CRON. If I believed that, it would be very discouraging because > > whole-wheat pasta is simply not for sale where I live. > > > > I think there are lots of different ways to do CRON, and, within certain > > very general boundaries, if they work well for us and our > unique personal > > makeup, they are Correct. > > > > JMO, > > > > (|-|ri5 > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Francesca Skelton [mailto:fskelton@...] > >> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 6:45 PM > >> > >> Subject: Re: [ ] Newcomer > >> > >> > >> I suggest you read our file: " CR Made Easy " . Cut way back > on the pasta > >> and make it whole wheat pasta when you do eat it if you want > to do CRON. > >> Substitute more veggies and some fruit. Read all our files under > >> " Beginning > >> CRON " and be sure to read Dr W's book " Beyond the 120 Year > Diet " , if you > >> haven't yet. > >> > >> > >> on 9/4/2004 11:02 AM, glintdec at glintdec@... wrote: > >> > >>> Hi All, > >>> > >>> I am a 34 year old male from Malta in the Med. Stopped smoking 8 > >>> months ago, my weight was around 70kilos I gained 12 Kilos. I have > >>> started dieting and am very interested in the CRD lifestyle. I have > >>> been trying this diet out for the last month and lost 6 kilos. My > >>> diet is based on fish, pasta and vegetables. Must say that this is a > >>> typical diet for any meditteranean guy. I do eat chicken and rabbit > >>> but hardly eat red meat and eggs. My weight gain was due to > >>> chocolate and additional in between meals. My first question is, I > >>> am an active blood donor, by the way in Malta we do it for free. > >>> Will CRD and blood donating have a negative effect? Should I take > >>> more vitamin supplements? > >>> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2004 Report Share Posted September 5, 2004 Hi Chris: Of the many surprising insights I have learned here, one of the most surprising to me is that starch may not be benign. I do not have to hand the post numbers that suggested that. But if you searched the archives for 'starch' you would certainly find them. For a start, the only essential difference (in quantity or type of food) between Mattson's control mice and those on CR, was that starch was almost totally eliminated from the diet of the CR mice, which lived MUCH longer than the control mice. This of course does not prove that starch is harmful. But it does rather strongly suggest that it is not helpful. (Comprehensive details of the diets of Mattson's mice were posted here soon after the study was published, some months ago). There are other *suggestive* indications that there may be a link between high starch intake and cancer. One example is that women who eat diets unusually high in carbohydrates appear to be more prone to breast cancer. (Source: CEB & P, August 2004). There are others, also, that have been posted here. These hints are by no means conclusive at this point. But they have made me decide to considerably reduce my starch intake. (And it is worth noting that whole grain products contain only a little less starch than their white versions.) So I am now viewing potatoes, rice, pasta and bread in a much different light. Rodney. > > >> > > >>> Hi All, > > >>> > > >>> I am a 34 year old male from Malta in the Med. Stopped smoking 8 > > >>> months ago, my weight was around 70kilos I gained 12 Kilos. I have > > >>> started dieting and am very interested in the CRD lifestyle. I have > > >>> been trying this diet out for the last month and lost 6 kilos. My > > >>> diet is based on fish, pasta and vegetables. Must say that this is a > > >>> typical diet for any meditteranean guy. I do eat chicken and rabbit > > >>> but hardly eat red meat and eggs. My weight gain was due to > > >>> chocolate and additional in between meals. My first question is, I > > >>> am an active blood donor, by the way in Malta we do it for free. > > >>> Will CRD and blood donating have a negative effect? Should I take > > >>> more vitamin supplements? > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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