Re: Bulk High Oleic Sunflower Oil

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From: " loganruns73 " <loganruns73@y...>

Date: Mon Aug 16, 2004 9:21 am

Subject: Bulk High Oleic Sunflower Oil

85%+ oleic sunflower oil in gallon sizes is available from:

http://www.kicgroup.com/cart/customer/search.php?substring=sunflower

There's also a smaller size costing less at a slightly inferior

composition (77%+ oleic) from:

http://batchkins.com//customer/product.php?productid=19092

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KIC bulk prices at $70.00 Dollars per gallon? And canola oil at

$55.00 Dollars per gallon?

By the way, the specifications for the KIC sunflower oil in the link

that you provided do not *say* that the sunflower oil is 85% oleic

acid. Sunflower oil has typically only 20% oleic acid.

Your second link (KETO " slightly inferior " ) also does not *say* in the

specifications that it has 77% oleic acid. I quote: " Our delicious

high oleic sunflower oil is higher (at 80%) in heart healthy

monounsaturates than olive oil " . This is meaningless. Olive oil has

an unsaturated/saturated ratio of 4.6, whereas sunflower oil u/s ratio

is 7.3 which makes ordinary sunflower oil about 60% more unsaturated.

But canola oil has a u/s ratio of 15.7 which is 240% more unsaturated

than sunflower oil.

The label of the KETO sunflower oil says " The selective breeding has

so enhanced the nature of the sunflower oil that the high oleic

sunflower seed is actually patented " . This is another marketing ploy.

Most plants today are patented to protect the seed developers who may

have spent years breeding a particular variety. Monsanto has taken

these techniques to the extreme of developing seeds which only grow

for one generation. The seeds of the plants are sterile so that a

farmer will not be able to save seed for the next year. They will

have to keep coming to Monsanto for more seed.

The fact that neither of these sites posts the fatty acid composition

of their oils, or even the oleic acid content of their " high oleic "

oils makes me doubt their claims. How about the 10% ALA? Sunflower

oil has typically only 1% ALA, but soybean oil has 7%.

I will only believe these claims when they show me the fatty acid

composition determined by an independent lab.

One more point. One gallon of oil is about 5 Kg. or about 45,000

calories which you would have to eat within a month or let it go

rancid. Not a very good CR diet.

Tony

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> KIC bulk prices at $70.00 Dollars per gallon? And canola oil at

> $55.00 Dollars per gallon?

These are individual, sample prices. Their normal size is 420 gallon

drums! This was the only source I could find offering economical

gallon sizes.

> By the way, the specifications for the KIC sunflower oil in the link

> that you provided do not *say* that the sunflower oil is 85% oleic

> acid. Sunflower oil has typically only 20% oleic acid.

" This product is extracted from traditionally crossbred sunflower

crop that exhibits much greater stability than regular sunflower.

Advanced plant breeding has increased the level of oleic acid in this

product to 85%. The addition of tocopherol improves the AOM for

increased stability. "

Source: http://www.kicgroup.com/hosunflower.htm

> Your second link (KETO " slightly inferior " ) also does not *say* in

the

> specifications that it has 77% oleic acid. I quote: " Our delicious

KETO seems to be using a mixture of NuSun and High Oleic or perhaps a

low-grade High Oleic:

http://www.oilseedssf.com/health/heal_nusun.html

> One more point. One gallon of oil is about 5 Kg. or about 45,000

> calories which you would have to eat within a month or let it go

> rancid. Not a very good CR diet.

That certainly applies to other vegetable oils, but not olive oil or

high oleic sunflower oil due to the low level of polys. Do you have

some evidence of the long-term shelf stability of either?

Logan

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What is the point of posting it (just because you happened to find it) if

it's impractical for us to use?

on 8/16/2004 1:33 PM, loganruns73 at loganruns73@... wrote:

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>> KIC bulk prices at $70.00 Dollars per gallon? And canola oil at

>> $55.00 Dollars per gallon?

>

> These are individual, sample prices. Their normal size is 420 gallon

> drums! This was the only source I could find offering economical

> gallon sizes.

>

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Logan,

The last link that you provided for KIC did have the percent

composition:

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http://www.kicgroup.com/hosunflower.htm

High-Oleic Sunflower Oil

TYPICAL FATTY ACID COMPOSITION, %:

C 16 (Palmitic) : 3

C 18 (Stearic) : 4

C 18'1 (Oleic) : 85 Min

C 18'2 (Linoleic) : 4

C 18'3 (Linolenic) : 0.5

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However, notice ALA (C18:3) is only 0.5%

The Batchkins link

(http://batchkins.com//customer/product.php?productid=19092)

says of High-Oleic Sunflower Oil: " HOSO is a rich source (at 10%) of

essential fatty adic[sic] alpha linoleic acid (ALA) " .

We cannot assume that the HOSO is the same for KIC and Batchkins, but

if it is, the above statement is false. This is why it is necessary

to verify claims by looking at the fatty acid compositions. Some

people will buy the oil under the delusion that it is high in ALA.

As far as the shelf life, there is this statement in the KIC web site

for canola oil:

" STORAGE & SHELF LIFE: Store at 65 °F to 75 °F in a dry and

odor-free environment for a shelf life of approximately 3 months in

unopened containers. "

A container that has been opened and exposed to the air will have a

shorter shelf life.

Tony

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> The Batchkins link

> (http://batchkins.com//customer/product.php?productid=19092)

> says of High-Oleic Sunflower Oil: " HOSO is a rich source (at 10%) of

> essential fatty adic[sic] alpha linoleic acid (ALA) " .

>

> We cannot assume that the HOSO is the same for KIC and Batchkins,

but

> if it is, the above statement is false. This is why it is necessary

It's not the same source oil judging by the differeing mono content.

And I already mentioned in my first post the reference to ALA was

wrong. It should be to LA.

> to verify claims by looking at the fatty acid compositions. Some

> people will buy the oil under the delusion that it is high in ALA.

I agree. It seems like KETO themselves are responsible for

perpetuating this error, as opposted to the retailer I provided, so I

will contact them about it.

> " STORAGE & SHELF LIFE: Store at 65 °F to 75 °F in a dry and

> odor-free environment for a shelf life of approximately 3 months in

> unopened containers. "

That's an interesting point. Does olive oil have a similar shelf

life unopened? I would assume it's a lot longer than that.

Logan

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Maybe for you, but I regularly buy gallon tins of extra virgin olive

oil to save money.

The other link was for 8 oz. Isn't that practical?

Logan

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> > --- In , " citpeks " <citpeks@y...>

wrote:

> >> KIC bulk prices at $70.00 Dollars per gallon? And canola oil at

> >> $55.00 Dollars per gallon?

> >

> > These are individual, sample prices. Their normal size is 420

gallon

> > drums! This was the only source I could find offering economical

> > gallon sizes.

> >