Re: Resveratrol/NAD (was: Re: What is Caloric Restriction?)

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Not meant to be derogatory to Hayflick,

Just to point out his view doesn't seem to agree with the telomerase idea.

regards.

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From: Dowling

Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 1:13 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Resveratrol/NAD (was: Re: What is Caloric Restriction?)

I might choose another term for Hayflick's pronouncements.>From: "jwwright" <jwwright@...>>Reply- >< >>Subject: Re: [ ] Resveratrol/NAD (was: Re: What is Caloric >Restriction?)>Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:49:33 -0500>>Just some more stuff:>> J Gerontol A Biol Sci Med Sci. 2004 Jun;59(6):B573-8.>>>"Anti-aging" is an oxymoron.>>Hayflick L.>>Professor of Anatomy, Department of Anatomy, University of California, San >Francisco, School of Medicine, P.O. Box 89, The Sea Ranch, CA 95497, USA. >len@...>>No intervention will slow, stop, or reverse the aging process in humans. >Whether anti-aging medicine is, or is not, a legitimate science is >completely dependent upon the definition of key terms that define the >finitude of life: longevity determination, aging, and age-associated >diseases. Only intervention in the latter by humans has been shown to >affect life expectancy. When it becomes possible to slow, stop, or reverse >the aging process in the simpler molecules that compose inanimate objects, >such as machines, then that prospect may become tenable for the complex >molecules that compose life forms. Most of the resources available under >the rubric "aging research" are not used for that purpose at all, thus >making the likelihood of intervention in the process even more remote. If >age changes are the greatest risk factor for age-associated diseases (an >almost universal belief), then why is the study of aging virtually >neglected?>>PMID: 15215267

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I wouldn't mind if you were a bit derogatory regarding his statements.

>From: " jwwright " <jwwright@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: Re: [ ] Resveratrol/NAD (was: Re: What is Caloric

>Restriction?)

>Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:36:48 -0500

>

>Not meant to be derogatory to Hayflick,

>Just to point out his view doesn't seem to agree with the telomerase idea.

>regards.

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Dowling

>

> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 1:13 PM

> Subject: Re: [ ] Resveratrol/NAD (was: Re: What is Caloric

>Restriction?)

>

>

> I might choose another term for Hayflick's pronouncements.

>

>

> >From: " jwwright " <jwwright@...>

> >Reply-

> >< >

> >Subject: Re: [ ] Resveratrol/NAD (was: Re: What is Caloric

> >Restriction?)

> >Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:49:33 -0500

> >

> >Just some more stuff:

> >

> > J Gerontol A Biol Sci Med Sci. 2004 Jun;59(6):B573-8.

> >

> >

> > " Anti-aging " is an oxymoron.

> >

> >Hayflick L.

> >

> >Professor of Anatomy, Department of Anatomy, University of California,

>San

> >Francisco, School of Medicine, P.O. Box 89, The Sea Ranch, CA 95497,

>USA.

> >len@...

> >

> >No intervention will slow, stop, or reverse the aging process in

>humans.

> >Whether anti-aging medicine is, or is not, a legitimate science is

> >completely dependent upon the definition of key terms that define the

> >finitude of life: longevity determination, aging, and age-associated

> >diseases. Only intervention in the latter by humans has been shown to

> >affect life expectancy. When it becomes possible to slow, stop, or

>reverse

> >the aging process in the simpler molecules that compose inanimate

>objects,

> >such as machines, then that prospect may become tenable for the complex

> >molecules that compose life forms. Most of the resources available

>under

> >the rubric " aging research " are not used for that purpose at all, thus

> >making the likelihood of intervention in the process even more remote.

>If

> >age changes are the greatest risk factor for age-associated diseases

>(an

> >almost universal belief), then why is the study of aging virtually

> >neglected?

> >

> >PMID: 15215267

>

>

>

>

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I made a statement in the other group. MY BP was probably a little higher that day. Ever since we put people on the moon, I have hated the word can't. I have forced everyone in any meeting I attended to use different language just to set the mood. So they switched to a more polite "we have to be careful". That didn't fly either.

I would like to get paid and published for saying we can't do something. More time (and money) could be spent to fund the people who are doing it.

I've witnessed a Digeorge child recover from a heart op for an ASD. a VSD and a restricted aorta, right arch, to see a child with >180 IQ. Goes against the data, because in the past, the ones with bad hearts died. What was not thought possible 10 yrs ago is common practice today. I went thru the data one night and noticed a hole -they were always talking about a different Digeorge symptom.

I KNOW the medical articles are not infallible. And there are many, many holes.

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dowling

Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 4:18 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Resveratrol/NAD (was: Re: What is Caloric Restriction?)

I wouldn't mind if you were a bit derogatory regarding his statements.>From: "jwwright" <jwwright@...>>Reply- >< >>Subject: Re: [ ] Resveratrol/NAD (was: Re: What is Caloric >Restriction?)>Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:36:48 -0500>>Not meant to be derogatory to Hayflick,>Just to point out his view doesn't seem to agree with the telomerase idea.>regards.>>> ----- Original Message -----> From: Dowling> > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 1:13 PM> Subject: Re: [ ] Resveratrol/NAD (was: Re: What is Caloric >Restriction?)>>> I might choose another term for Hayflick's pronouncements.>>> >From: "jwwright" <jwwright@...>> >Reply- > >< >> >Subject: Re: [ ] Resveratrol/NAD (was: Re: What is Caloric> >Restriction?)> >Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:49:33 -0500> >> >Just some more stuff:> >> > J Gerontol A Biol Sci Med Sci. 2004 Jun;59(6):B573-8.> >> >> >"Anti-aging" is an oxymoron.> >> >Hayflick L.> >> >Professor of Anatomy, Department of Anatomy, University of California, >San> >Francisco, School of Medicine, P.O. Box 89, The Sea Ranch, CA 95497, >USA.> >len@...> >> >No intervention will slow, stop, or reverse the aging process in >humans.> >Whether anti-aging medicine is, or is not, a legitimate science is> >completely dependent upon the definition of key terms that define the> >finitude of life: longevity determination, aging, and age-associated> >diseases. Only intervention in the latter by humans has been shown to> >affect life expectancy. When it becomes possible to slow, stop, or >reverse> >the aging process in the simpler molecules that compose inanimate >objects,> >such as machines, then that prospect may become tenable for the complex> >molecules that compose life forms. Most of the resources available >under> >the rubric "aging research" are not used for that purpose at all, thus> >making the likelihood of intervention in the process even more remote. >If> >age changes are the greatest risk factor for age-associated diseases >(an> >almost universal belief), then why is the study of aging virtually> >neglected?> >> >PMID: 15215267>>>>