Re: Reducing High BP (???)

[Guest guest]

Very interesting. Where does one get sesame oil??? Chinese grocery?

on 8/13/2004 11:43 AM, Rodney at perspect1111@... wrote:

> Hi Folks:

>

> For anyone for whom high blood pressure is of interest, the following

> may be worth taking a look at:

>

> PMID: 15294632

>

> Rodney.

>

[Guest guest]

Sesame oil may drop BP when substituted for other fats, as do other veg oils substituted for animal fats, or corn oil, eg. BUT, substituting no oil is better than the "best" which was olive oil. There are hundreds of these type of fat/oil intake compares. What I never saw was the biochem that tells me why one oil is better than another. Same for n-3's and PCa.

Now they need to compare sesame oil with olive oil, then sesame oil with no oil.

I reviewed many of these several years ago and noted they left out the olive oil/ no oil compare and subsequently they did that and found no oil was better.

For me, that goes for EPA/DHA as well.

The chemical that lowers BP has to open the smooth muscle, or make you pee. Or, of course, lose you weight.

Sesame oil is found in oriental markets. Looks balanced in mono/linoleic, low 18:3.

BTW, are you using high oleic safflower oil or high linoleic?

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From: Rodney

Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 10:43 AM

Subject: [ ] Reducing High BP (???)

Hi Folks:For anyone for whom high blood pressure is of interest, the following may be worth taking a look at:PMID: 15294632Rodney.

[Guest guest]

Hi folks:

Yes. Sesame oil can certainly be found in japanese and chinese

grocery stores. It is quite distinctively aromatic.

As for whether it is as good as no oil, I couldn't say. But the

reported decline in BP is substantial. More, I would have guessed,

than would result from dropping oil altogether. But that is just a

guess. Also, I do not know what kind of oil the sesame oil replaced

in this study. Does anyone know what kind of oil is predominantly

used in India?

As regards oleic and linoleic ............ mine has ~78%

polyunsaturated (I presume linoleic); ~13% mono (presumably oleic);

and ~9% saturated. Does this help? If not, I could bug the store

and try to get more information.

Rodney.

--- In , " jwwright " <jwwright@e...>

wrote:

> Sesame oil may drop BP when substituted for other fats, as do other

veg oils substituted for animal fats, or corn oil, eg. BUT,

substituting no oil is better than the " best " which was olive oil.

There are hundreds of these type of fat/oil intake compares. What I

never saw was the biochem that tells me why one oil is better than

another. Same for n-3's and PCa.

> Now they need to compare sesame oil with olive oil, then sesame oil

with no oil.

> I reviewed many of these several years ago and noted they left out

the olive oil/ no oil compare and subsequently they did that and

found no oil was better.

> For me, that goes for EPA/DHA as well.

>

> The chemical that lowers BP has to open the smooth muscle, or make

you pee. Or, of course, lose you weight.

> Sesame oil is found in oriental markets. Looks balanced in

mono/linoleic, low 18:3.

>

> BTW, are you using high oleic safflower oil or high linoleic?

>

> Regards.

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Rodney

>

> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 10:43 AM

> Subject: [ ] Reducing High BP (???)

>

>

> Hi Folks:

>

> For anyone for whom high blood pressure is of interest, the

following

> may be worth taking a look at:

>

> PMID: 15294632

>

> Rodney.

[Guest guest]

Hi folks:

Yes. Sesame oil can certainly be found in japanese and chinese

grocery stores. It is quite distinctively aromatic.

As for whether it is as good as no oil, I couldn't say. But the

reported decline in BP is substantial. More, I would have guessed,

than would result from dropping oil altogether. But that is just a

guess. Also, I do not know what kind of oil the sesame oil replaced

in this study. Does anyone know what kind of oil is predominantly

used in India?

As regards oleic and linoleic ............ mine has ~78%

polyunsaturated (I presume linoleic); ~13% mono (presumably oleic);

and ~9% saturated. Does this help? If not, I could bug the store

and try to get more information.

Rodney.

--- In , " jwwright " <jwwright@e...>

wrote:

> Sesame oil may drop BP when substituted for other fats, as do other

veg oils substituted for animal fats, or corn oil, eg. BUT,

substituting no oil is better than the " best " which was olive oil.

There are hundreds of these type of fat/oil intake compares. What I

never saw was the biochem that tells me why one oil is better than

another. Same for n-3's and PCa.

> Now they need to compare sesame oil with olive oil, then sesame oil

with no oil.

> I reviewed many of these several years ago and noted they left out

the olive oil/ no oil compare and subsequently they did that and

found no oil was better.

> For me, that goes for EPA/DHA as well.

>

> The chemical that lowers BP has to open the smooth muscle, or make

you pee. Or, of course, lose you weight.

> Sesame oil is found in oriental markets. Looks balanced in

mono/linoleic, low 18:3.

>

> BTW, are you using high oleic safflower oil or high linoleic?

>

> Regards.

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Rodney

>

> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 10:43 AM

> Subject: [ ] Reducing High BP (???)

>

>

> Hi Folks:

>

> For anyone for whom high blood pressure is of interest, the

following

> may be worth taking a look at:

>

> PMID: 15294632

>

> Rodney.

[Guest guest]

--- In , " Rodney " <perspect1111@y...>

wrote:

> Hi Folks:

>

> For anyone for whom high blood pressure is of interest, the

following

> may be worth taking a look at:

>

> PMID: 15294632

>

> Rodney.

Hi Croners:

Well really hesitate to mention this but if you want to reduce bp try

the following. Make sure you are not wearing any tight clothing or

have a constricting belt on. Sit up straight in the chair when

measuring bp and even elevating your arm a little (due to Rho*g*h

effect) helps. O.K. NO scientific studies to quote here, but if you

have your own bp measuring equiptment try it. First wear a vey tight

belt and sit hunched over and let your arm dangle down to your side

when measuring. Next try totally loose belt, sit up straight, and

elevate your arm a little when measuring.

Methinks you'll find that bp measurements, just like wc measurements

are prone to natural variations.

Aequalsz

PS Disclaimer. This opinion is not that of the board moderator or

probably even that of any other group members other than myself. This

testimony should not be construed as representing the position of the

CRONie Group and represents solely the dim thoughts of one sole

group member. That group member (Aequalsz) is not responsible for any

injuries occurring to those undertaking this experiment. And this

experiment should only be done under the direct guidance of a fully

qualified medical doctor.

[Guest guest]

> > Hi Folks:

> >

> > For anyone for whom high blood pressure is of interest, the

> following

> > may be worth taking a look at:

> >

> > PMID: 15294632

> >

> > Rodney.

>

> Hi Croners:

>

> Well really hesitate to mention this but if you want to reduce bp

try

> the following. Make sure you are not wearing any tight clothing or

> have a constricting belt on. Sit up straight in the chair when

> measuring bp and even elevating your arm a little (due to Rho*g*h

> effect) helps. O.K. NO scientific studies to quote here, but if you

> have your own bp measuring equiptment try it. First wear a vey

tight

> belt and sit hunched over and let your arm dangle down to your side

> when measuring. Next try totally loose belt, sit up straight, and

> elevate your arm a little when measuring.

>

> Methinks you'll find that bp measurements, just like wc measurements

> are prone to natural variations.

>

> Aequalsz

>

> PS Disclaimer. This opinion is not that of the board moderator or

> probably even that of any other group members other than myself.

This

> testimony should not be construed as representing the position of

the

> CRONie Group and represents solely the dim thoughts of one

sole

> group member. That group member (Aequalsz) is not responsible for

any

> injuries occurring to those undertaking this experiment. And this

> experiment should only be done under the direct guidance of a fully

> qualified medical doctor.

Just tried the " experiment " again.

148/90 (yikes) with tight belt, bad posture, arm dangling down at my

side.

124/76 with totally loose belt, good posture, and arm resting on

table.

Aequalsz

PS Time to reduce my salt back a little methinks. Also - the reader

should not attempt this dangerous experiment at home unless a doctor

is present. (I've had many many years of experience at reading my own

bp.) :-)

[Guest guest]

Hi JW:

" But I wonder now why we eat any monos or polys " .

The (female) Nurses' Health Study found those who had consumed the

most polys had considerably less heart disease. I am guessing the

same would probably apply to males.

Of course, as usual, there is the dangling

question ............. " less relative to what? " . Probably, less

relative to plenty of hydrogenated fats. My recollection is that

monos were also found to be beneficial, but much less so than polys.

The above is a major reason why I use safflower oil. But I don't use

a lot of it. And I also use some (less) olive oil and butter (much

less).

Rodney.

> > Sesame oil may drop BP when substituted for other fats, as do

other

> veg oils substituted for animal fats, or corn oil, eg. BUT,

> substituting no oil is better than the " best " which was olive

oil.

> There are hundreds of these type of fat/oil intake compares. What

I

> never saw was the biochem that tells me why one oil is better

than

> another. Same for n-3's and PCa.

> > Now they need to compare sesame oil with olive oil, then sesame

oil

> with no oil.

> > I reviewed many of these several years ago and noted they left

out

> the olive oil/ no oil compare and subsequently they did that and

> found no oil was better.

> > For me, that goes for EPA/DHA as well.

> >

> > The chemical that lowers BP has to open the smooth muscle, or

make

> you pee. Or, of course, lose you weight.

> > Sesame oil is found in oriental markets. Looks balanced in

> mono/linoleic, low 18:3.

> >

> > BTW, are you using high oleic safflower oil or high linoleic?

> >

> > Regards.

> >

[Guest guest]

" antioxidants interfere with the ROS which the body (and chemotherapy)

excites to kill cancer cells. "

Can you give me more info regarding this? What is ROS?

> > Sesame oil may drop BP when substituted for other fats, as do other

> veg oils substituted for animal fats, or corn oil, eg. BUT,

> substituting no oil is better than the " best " which was olive oil.

> There are hundreds of these type of fat/oil intake compares. What I

> never saw was the biochem that tells me why one oil is better than

> another. Same for n-3's and PCa.

> > Now they need to compare sesame oil with olive oil, then sesame oil

> with no oil.

> > I reviewed many of these several years ago and noted they left out

> the olive oil/ no oil compare and subsequently they did that and

> found no oil was better.

> > For me, that goes for EPA/DHA as well.

> >

> > The chemical that lowers BP has to open the smooth muscle, or make

> you pee. Or, of course, lose you weight.

> > Sesame oil is found in oriental markets. Looks balanced in

> mono/linoleic, low 18:3.

> >

> > BTW, are you using high oleic safflower oil or high linoleic?

> >

> > Regards.

> >

[Guest guest]

Hello Rodney,

Is that a pubmed number or???? I cannot find the article and would like to

send it to a friend who's in trouble. Could you tell me how to get to it?

Many thanks in advance!

MM

[Guest guest]

Hi Mam:

Yes, that is a pubmed number. Go to pubmed. Enter that number in

the box (nothing else). Then hit 'Go'. Then click on the yellow

marker at the left end of the reference. That will give you the

abstract. If you want more you will likely have to pay for it (give

your VISA number etc).

Rodney.

> Hello Rodney,

> Is that a pubmed number or???? I cannot find the article and would

like to

> send it to a friend who's in trouble. Could you tell me how to get

to it?

> Many thanks in advance!

> MM

[Guest guest]

> Hello Rodney,

> Is that a pubmed number or???? I cannot find the article and would

like to

> send it to a friend who's in trouble. Could you tell me how to get

to it?

> Many thanks in advance!

> MM

Hi All,

Try the pdf-available:

Tanasescu M, Cho E, Manson JE, Hu FB.

Dietary fat and cholesterol and the risk of

cardiovascular disease among women with type

2 diabetes.

Am J Clin Nutr. 2004 Jun;79(6):999-1005.

PMID: 15159229 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Cheers, Al Pater.