Re: Wind Turbines: how far away does an EHSer have to be?

[Guest guest]

Wind turbines should not be any worse, distance wise, than a smart

meter. There will be some 60 Hz fields, some dirty electricity from

power conditioning, and maybe some cell phone calls. I would be

surprised if any of us could tell the difference between off and on,

based on physical response, at distances greater than say one half mile.

On 6/21/2011 1:53 PM, Elysia Drew wrote:

> Salut, all. I've wondered about wind turbines for some time. Two are under

construction about 20 miles from me. I'm severely electro-sensitive, & in just

the last 3 days, I cannot tolerate my CORDED phone anymore, which baffles me.

I'm wondering how far away from wind turbines is far away enough? (so that one

doesn't hear or feel the vibrations from the turbines). From EMFs, depending on

the severity of the exposure, I get: migraines, seizures, coordination problems,

SLEs, temporary vision loss, temporary paralysis, fevers, nausea etc. All these

symptoms have persisted & worsened, even tho I've been nowhere near a Smart

Meter in months, and have stopped using my cell, which I hardly ever used before

anyway. I still can't sleep more than 1 hr/nite, & woke up last nite w/ a

repetitive clicking sound in the back of my neck. It was like a dull explosion

repeatedly going off. I'm wondering if I'm within range of wind power, but I

don't know what the " safe "

> range is. Ideas, anyone?

> Love & blessings,Elysia

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, . Thanks for your response. I'm just wondering, considering that in my

case I have to be 5 miles or so from a Smart Meter not to be affected by it, I'm

wondering if it's really safe to say that 1/2 mile is safe. I read that w/ ultra

low-frequency wavelengths they emit, the wave/vibration can travel 19,000 miles!

I looked at a map of distribution of wind turbines, & found that in my state, in

2009, we went from having 47 turbines to 175 turbines; I had a stroke-like

episode that year, that permanently damaged my right side & nervous system etc.

By 2010 there were 266 wind turbines in my state, and my health really started

to tank that year, esp. in terms of seizure activity, although that got

astronomically worse w/ Smart Meters. 

> Salut, all. I've wondered about wind turbines for some time. Two are under

construction about 20 miles from me. I'm severely electro-sensitive, & in just

the last 3 days, I cannot tolerate my CORDED phone anymore, which baffles me.

I'm wondering how far away from wind turbines is far away enough? (so that one

doesn't hear or feel the vibrations from the turbines). From EMFs, depending on

the severity of the exposure, I get: migraines, seizures, coordination problems,

SLEs, temporary vision loss, temporary paralysis, fevers, nausea etc. All these

symptoms have persisted & worsened, even tho I've been nowhere near a Smart

Meter in months, and have stopped using my cell, which I hardly ever used before

anyway. I still can't sleep more than 1 hr/nite, & woke up last nite w/ a

repetitive clicking sound in the back of my neck. It was like a dull explosion

repeatedly going off. I'm wondering if I'm within range of wind power, but I

don't know what the " safe "

> range is. Ideas, anyone?

> Love & blessings,Elysia

>

>

[Guest guest]

On 6/21/2011 12:53 PM, Elysia Drew wrote:

> Salut, all. I've wondered about wind turbines for some time.

> Two are under construction about 20 miles from me.

It seems like 20 miles should be plenty of distance. I recent

went on a trip where there were many wind turbines near the

freeway (less than a mile). I did feel " off " when they were

close, but they were *much* closer than 20 miles...

Marc

[Guest guest]

Elysia:

I understand you are in bad health, which I wish was not the case. You

are looking for a cause, a villain, which may or may not exist. Your

question about 'safe' is one that does not have a short answer. Consider

the question: Is sunlight safe? Any honest answer would include the

following: Most of us need some sunlight for vitamin D production. Most

of us are less depressed when the days are longer. Excessive amounts can

cause cancer. How much is excessive depends on your ethnic background.

Our society demands black and white answers to these gray questions. Is

fluoride in our water safe? Is a certain level of radioactivity safe? A

bureaucrat in the USA picks a 'safe' level for electromagnetic exposure.

A bureaucrat in Russia picks a number a thousand times smaller. We in

the EHS community need to be careful about making the problem worse. We

should allow for detailed answers. If something is unsafe at all levels

(mercury?) we should not demand that someone pick an arbitrary number

where a little more is bad and a little less is good.

Having said all that, it is my expert opinion that wind turbines are

perfectly 100% safe for everyone outside the fence around the wind farm,

with the possible exception of a handful of people on this listserve,

who might be able to sense operation of a wind turbine at distances up

to a half mile or so.

On 6/21/2011 2:31 PM, Elysia Drew wrote:

> Hi, . Thanks for your response. I'm just wondering, considering that in my

case I have to be 5 miles or so from a Smart Meter not to be affected by it, I'm

wondering if it's really safe to say that 1/2 mile is safe. I read that w/ ultra

low-frequency wavelengths they emit, the wave/vibration can travel 19,000 miles!

I looked at a map of distribution of wind turbines, & found that in my state, in

2009, we went from having 47 turbines to 175 turbines; I had a stroke-like

episode that year, that permanently damaged my right side & nervous system etc.

By 2010 there were 266 wind turbines in my state, and my health really started

to tank that year, esp. in terms of seizure activity, although that got

astronomically worse w/ Smart Meters.

>

>

>

>> Salut, all. I've wondered about wind turbines for some time. Two are under

construction about 20 miles from me. I'm severely electro-sensitive, & in just

the last 3 days, I cannot tolerate my CORDED phone anymore, which baffles me.

I'm wondering how far away from wind turbines is far away enough? (so that one

doesn't hear or feel the vibrations from the turbines). From EMFs, depending on

the severity of the exposure, I get: migraines, seizures, coordination problems,

SLEs, temporary vision loss, temporary paralysis, fevers, nausea etc. All these

symptoms have persisted & worsened, even tho I've been nowhere near a Smart

Meter in months, and have stopped using my cell, which I hardly ever used before

anyway. I still can't sleep more than 1 hr/nite, & woke up last nite w/ a

repetitive clicking sound in the back of my neck. It was like a dull explosion

repeatedly going off. I'm wondering if I'm within range of wind power, but I

don't know what the " safe "

>> range is. Ideas, anyone?

>> Love & blessings,Elysia

>>

[Guest guest]

Magda Havas's website talks about wind turbines and says that " scientists in

Europe recommend between 1.5 to 2 km. " Can someone can verify this?

http://www.magdahavas.com/2009/10/05/wind-power-and-dirty-electricity/

> On 6/21/2011 2:31 PM, Elysia Drew wrote:

> > Hi, . Thanks for your response. I'm just wondering, considering that in

my case I have to be 5 miles or so from a Smart Meter not to be affected by it,

I'm wondering if it's really safe to say that 1/2 mile is safe. I read that w/

ultra low-frequency wavelengths they emit, the wave/vibration can travel 19,000

miles! I looked at a map of distribution of wind turbines, & found that in my

state, in 2009, we went from having 47 turbines to 175 turbines; I had a

stroke-like episode that year, that permanently damaged my right side & nervous

system etc. By 2010 there were 266 wind turbines in my state, and my health

really started to tank that year, esp. in terms of seizure activity, although

that got astronomically worse w/ Smart Meters.

[Guest guest]

That depends on the country in Europe.

In some 1500 meter is advised, in others there is a limit of 300 meters, and in

Belgium the authorities allowed a distance of 79 meter from a house. The height

of the turbine is 114 meter.

The distance from the turbine to the propane gastank is 58 meter.

The rules are regarding noise (and they can make an enormous amount of noise)

and the shadow of the blades.

The only people who benefit from wind turbines are the builders, because they

will receive large amounts of subsidaries.

I lived between 6 of them.

Most of the time they did not run.

Most of the time one of each (in turn) needed maintenance.

We did have a list of over 500 accidents with wind turbines.

(Among them persons who got cut in half by falling ice from the propellors)

It is possible that in winter, ice forming on the propellors may take place.

They have an excellent security system for that.

One day I got a visit by a representative of the provider of these wind

turbines.

They were looking for people like me to oversee the security.

They would provide me with a pair of binoculars.

I should have a VAT number and a mobile phone.

In winter, I must control the propellors to see that no ice was there.

As soon as the ice was gone, as I could see with the binoculars, I had to phone

the provider, so their maintanance people could come to start the turbines.

So far their superior ice watching system!

Qua elektrosmog, wind turbines do not play an important part, because the

current flows through shielded cables underground.

A problem may be, with certain wind layers, that there is a noise from the

propellors.

Very underestimated are the ultra low (ultrasound) frequencies generated by

them.

They can be very serious.

No engineer can calculate which way sound or waves are traveling.

We have lived in a 10 story appartment building along railways.

Each floor reacted different to the sounds; some weaker, some stronger.

On my website, under info, I have placed a number of recorded modulations of

elektrosmog.

Among them is *Melsbroek*, which is the military airport of Brussels.

I recorded that nasty sound there.

A week later, I measured this modulation suddenly also at my home, 60 km away

from Brussels.

Later on, it was not there anymore.

Outside, I now and then measured radar signals.

They were there, and they were gone. Weeks later they were there shortly.

So, waves/sounds do come and go.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

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Re: Wind Turbines: how far away does an EHSer have to be?

Magda Havas's website talks about wind turbines and says that " scientists in

Europe recommend between 1.5 to 2 km. " Can someone can verify this?

http://www.magdahavas.com/2009/10/05/wind-power-and-dirty-electricity/

> On 6/21/2011 2:31 PM, Elysia Drew wrote:

> > Hi, . Thanks for your response. I'm just wondering, considering that

in my case I have to be 5 miles or so from a Smart Meter not to be affected by

it, I'm wondering if it's really safe to say that 1/2 mile is safe. I read that

w/ ultra low-frequency wavelengths they emit, the wave/vibration can travel

19,000 miles! I looked at a map of distribution of wind turbines, & found that

in my state, in 2009, we went from having 47 turbines to 175 turbines; I had a

stroke-like episode that year, that permanently damaged my right side & nervous

system etc. By 2010 there were 266 wind turbines in my state, and my health

really started to tank that year, esp. in terms of seizure activity, although

that got astronomically worse w/ Smart Meters.

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