Guest guest Posted October 9, 2010 Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 puk replies - I tried to sheild from my neighbours dect and wifi by laying mylar in the roof and sticking reflective window sheild on the windows that a signal could be picked up by my esmog detector, it stoppped most of the signal bar the upvc frames, it was great to begin with ie thought id cracked it feeling, but now I cant sleep at all up stairs, just lie there trying to ignore the tinitus and wurring sensations in my head, basically lyong all night awake but with my eyes closed !!!! I rekon I have done the same causing refelections and thus absorbing more due to lack of escape routes for the microwaves. I have found a spot elsewhere where I can sleep and actually enjoy a good dream in the bargain !!!! p In a message dated 09/10/2010 16:26:12 GMT Daylight Time, kirsty.weight@... writes: Hi all I am severely sensitive to electromagnetic stress (I think I've always been, but it's worsened so that these last three months I've had to avoid absolutely everything - the computer (try to keep it to no more than 15 minutes per day), hairdryers, the car (although I can't completely stay away from it). I've even had to switch off the fridge at the socket before using it, we're cooking on gas, etc. Anyway, I built myself a Faraday cage about two months ago. With aluminium insulation sheets, and aluminium fly mesh / screen over the windows. My and my husband's mobile phones both lose signal in there completely (different service providers). The trifield meter shows low readings, and the AM radio (my only 'meter' for higher frequencies is mostly quiet inside (as opposed to very noisy through the rest of the house). The problem is that after the first few days, I actually started feeling worse in the cage. It's like I can feel radiation reflecting off the walls, and I can also taste the metal in my mouth. And also a feeling of burning in my chest and down my spine (which is my usual EMF symptoms when sitting infront of the PC, etc). It's all interconnected (ohm meter reads between any two spots) and it's earthed with two earthing spikes. (I have to keep the earthing spike wet all the time, I can feel the difference when it goes dry). There's a energy saver street lamp right outside the window, I don't know whether it might be 'overloading' the cage, but I also get this feeling during the day when it's not on. So anyway, since I'm moving soon, I have decided to not redo the Faraday cage in my new house, nor get a canopy, which would be close to my body as well re breathing in metal ions etc. My question is: I have been thinking of getting metal curtains, like Naturel or ia. But would this not end up giving me the same problem? Will they not just also give of metal ions that I would breath in (or is this limited to certain metals like aluminium?) And would they not also act as an antenna for radiation, especially since most of them are not earthed? Thanks for any answers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2010 Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 You might want to try lining a good part of the enclosure with an RF absorber, such as this one: http://www.lessemf.com/fabric.html#259N It will abosrb the RF which is leaking into the enclosure, instead of your body doing it all. Emil Faraday cage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2010 Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 This is an interesting story for me, but for other reasons than for the people who reacted. I have done several small tests with aluminium foil and it didn't do anything. I thought that that's because aluminium is not magnetic (I really know hardly anything about physics). But here I read that aluminium materials do work. Can anyone explain to me where this difference comes from? My radio still worked fine wrapped in aluminium foil... Rixta > Hi all > > I am severely sensitive to electromagnetic stress (I think I've always been, but it's worsened so that these last three months I've had to avoid absolutely everything - the computer (try to keep it to no more than 15 minutes per day), hairdryers, the car (although I can't completely stay away from it). I've even had to switch off the fridge at the socket before using it, we're cooking on gas, etc. > > Anyway, I built myself a Faraday cage about two months ago. With aluminium insulation sheets, and aluminium fly mesh / screen over the windows. My and my husband's mobile phones both lose signal in there completely (different service providers). The trifield meter shows low readings, and the AM radio (my only 'meter' for higher frequencies is mostly quiet inside (as opposed to very noisy through the rest of the house). > > The problem is that after the first few days, I actually started feeling worse in the cage. It's like I can feel radiation reflecting off the walls, and I can also taste the metal in my mouth. And also a feeling of burning in my chest and down my spine (which is my usual EMF symptoms when sitting infront of the PC, etc). > > It's all interconnected (ohm meter reads between any two spots) and it's earthed with two earthing spikes. (I have to keep the earthing spike wet all the time, I can feel the difference when it goes dry). > > There's a energy saver street lamp right outside the window, I don't know whether it might be 'overloading' the cage, but I also get this feeling during the day when it's not on. > > So anyway, since I'm moving soon, I have decided to not redo the Faraday cage in my new house, nor get a canopy, which would be close to my body as well re breathing in metal ions etc. > > My question is: I have been thinking of getting metal curtains, like Naturel or ia. But would this not end up giving me the same problem? Will they not just also give of metal ions that I would breath in (or is this limited to certain metals like aluminium?) And would they not also act as an antenna for radiation, especially since most of them are not earthed? > > Thanks for any answers! > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 They say that aluminum reflects outward but also radiates inward. My mobile home is aluminum sided and skirted but I've had to put a second layer of shielding on the inside to get it to work for me. It takes a lot of shielding to get the desired effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 Hello There I have spent the summer sleeping in the camper because I cant stand being in the house. Fairly soon I will have to go back in. I have covered 3 walls of the bedroom with aluminum foil and grounded it outside the way Kikkie did. I did hear a low rumbling noise like a diesel engine in the bedroom, that is now gone, but there is now a high frequency noise. That noise actually feels good but the energy is pushy and keeps me awake, more or less permanently awake. I have also made a plug so I can unplug almost all of the electricity in the walls around the bedroom. Any idea of what this higher frequency is? There seems to be no way to escape it. I don't have any test equip. except an AM radio. I live in the country and there are very few people around, but are in a microwave corridor to feed people to the north. Could someone please give me a few ideas, Thanks xyz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 The obvious thing to try is foil on the ceiling. First make sure there is good conductivity across all the seams in your foil. Don't use a wire for grounding, use a strap of metal width to length ratio of 1/8. Make sure all connections are secure and moisture proof. For outdoors, conductive caulk is the easiest way, though it costs over $70 per tube (from Silicone solutions). On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 12:30 PM, xyzxyz12311@... < xyzxyz12311@...> wrote: > ** > > > Hello There > I have spent the summer sleeping in the camper because I cant stand being > in the house. Fairly soon I will have to go back in. > > I have covered 3 walls of the bedroom with aluminum foil and grounded it > outside the way Kikkie did. > > I did hear a low rumbling noise like a diesel engine in the bedroom, that > is now gone, but there is now a high frequency noise. That noise actually > feels good but the energy is pushy and keeps me awake, more or less > permanently awake. > > I have also made a plug so I can unplug almost all of the electricity in > the walls around the bedroom. > > Any idea of what this higher frequency is? There seems to be no way to > escape it. I don't have any test equip. except an AM radio. > > I live in the country and there are very few people around, but are in a > microwave corridor to feed people to the north. > > Could someone please give me a few ideas, > > Thanks xyz > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 perhaps its your own bodies frequency bouncing off the walls ? who knows ? In a message dated 03/09/2011 19:30:53 GMT Daylight Time, xyzxyz12311@... writes: Hello There I have spent the summer sleeping in the camper because I cant stand being in the house. Fairly soon I will have to go back in. I have covered 3 walls of the bedroom with aluminum foil and grounded it outside the way Kikkie did. I did hear a low rumbling noise like a diesel engine in the bedroom, that is now gone, but there is now a high frequency noise. That noise actually feels good but the energy is pushy and keeps me awake, more or less permanently awake. I have also made a plug so I can unplug almost all of the electricity in the walls around the bedroom. Any idea of what this higher frequency is? There seems to be no way to escape it. I don't have any test equip. except an AM radio. I live in the country and there are very few people around, but are in a microwave corridor to feed people to the north. Could someone please give me a few ideas, Thanks xyz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 Hi Bill It does have foil on the ceiling built into the insulation, it was grounded to the ceiling light but I moved it away in-case it was getting some noise from the electrical system? My camper has metal on all 6 sides. I also go to the cottage and after I am there a few days the high frequency goes away. How would i get a piece of tin 16 inches wide out of the house to get a ground? I have it grounded outside but with 2 wires. Yes I have used a battery, flashlight bulb and wire and there is good conductivety across the seams. Thanks xyz > > > ** > > > > > > Hello There > > I have spent the summer sleeping in the camper because I cant stand being > > in the house. Fairly soon I will have to go back in. > > > > I have covered 3 walls of the bedroom with aluminum foil and grounded it > > outside the way Kikkie did. > > > > I did hear a low rumbling noise like a diesel engine in the bedroom, that > > is now gone, but there is now a high frequency noise. That noise actually > > feels good but the energy is pushy and keeps me awake, more or less > > permanently awake. > > > > I have also made a plug so I can unplug almost all of the electricity in > > the walls around the bedroom. > > > > Any idea of what this higher frequency is? There seems to be no way to > > escape it. I don't have any test equip. except an AM radio. > > > > I live in the country and there are very few people around, but are in a > > microwave corridor to feed people to the north. > > > > Could someone please give me a few ideas, > > > > Thanks xyz > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 Hello It does stop when I step outside. I can stop it by humming OMM, but can't do that all night :-) xyz > > perhaps its your own bodies frequency bouncing off the walls ? who knows ? > > > In a message dated 03/09/2011 19:30:53 GMT Daylight Time, > xyzxyz12311@... writes: > > > > > Hello There > I have spent the summer sleeping in the camper because I cant stand being > in the house. Fairly soon I will have to go back in. > > I have covered 3 walls of the bedroom with aluminum foil and grounded it > outside the way Kikkie did. > > I did hear a low rumbling noise like a diesel engine in the bedroom, that > is now gone, but there is now a high frequency noise. That noise actually > feels good but the energy is pushy and keeps me awake, more or less > permanently awake. > > I have also made a plug so I can unplug almost all of the electricity in > the walls around the bedroom. > > Any idea of what this higher frequency is? There seems to be no way to > escape it. I don't have any test equip. except an AM radio. > > I live in the country and there are very few people around, but are in a > microwave corridor to feed people to the north. > > Could someone please give me a few ideas, > > Thanks xyz > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 Hello xyz, I don't know about the noise ... but I have experiences about the problem of your own body's charge that should be des-charged before you'll get benefit. I remember own experience at home to arrange a Faraday's cage, done by me with a metallic net around the my wife and mine bed: it was OK only for the first night, the second she returned with bad feelings till to leave the bed. Another case about a friend: she wanted to cover all the walls with special reflective Copper texture . Who installed advised her to approach to this room very slowly: to increase the time, day by day, to prepare the body to be descharged before to enter there , She took days. My regards > > Hello There > I have spent the summer sleeping in the camper because I cant stand being in the house. Fairly soon I will have to go back in. > > I have covered 3 walls of the bedroom with aluminum foil and grounded it outside the way Kikkie did. > > I did hear a low rumbling noise like a diesel engine in the bedroom, that is now gone, but there is now a high frequency noise. That noise actually feels good but the energy is pushy and keeps me awake, more or less permanently awake. > > I have also made a plug so I can unplug almost all of the electricity in the walls around the bedroom. > > Any idea of what this higher frequency is? There seems to be no way to escape it. I don't have any test equip. except an AM radio. > > I live in the country and there are very few people around, but are in a microwave corridor to feed people to the north. > > Could someone please give me a few ideas, > > Thanks xyz > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Regarding Faraday cages, they are the most weird issue for me! I am very happy to hear the stories like yours as that proves me I am not crazy with similar observations! Faraday cages are often worse than staying unprotected. Just to make it more weird, to mention that for my stays in wilderness I have a special all plastic trailer (camper) as I wanted to be sure to have no metal plates arround, so to avoid possible effects that we observe inside Faraday cages. There in wilderness there is no low freq hum, but the high one still can be observed, despite very low readings at the meters. So in wilderness there are places which keep me awake, like you have described, but I do rest there (!?), and most rare places are those that calm me down and enable full rest and deep sleep. I don't know where all that comes from, and what is the explanation, but have some rather bold hypothesis. I must say I am sorry for I missed to start a work group particularly dedicated to such issues, as I had announced, but I am still having it on my schedule and hope to make it soon. I believe that any progress in ES understanding would be strongly correlated with these questions. EMF readings are just a part of the issue, that can be called " environmental sensitivity " ... has made a good description in his recent message. Regards, Drasko > > Hello There > I have spent the summer sleeping in the camper because I cant stand being in the house. Fairly soon I will have to go back in. > > I have covered 3 walls of the bedroom with aluminum foil and grounded it outside the way Kikkie did. > > I did hear a low rumbling noise like a diesel engine in the bedroom, that is now gone, but there is now a high frequency noise. That noise actually feels good but the energy is pushy and keeps me awake, more or less permanently awake. > > I have also made a plug so I can unplug almost all of the electricity in the walls around the bedroom. > > Any idea of what this higher frequency is? There seems to be no way to escape it. I don't have any test equip. except an AM radio. > > I live in the country and there are very few people around, but are in a microwave corridor to feed people to the north. > > Could someone please give me a few ideas, > > Thanks xyz > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Hello Drasko, I have also observed very weird and alarming experiences with shieldings, especially when they are doubled. Please have a look at: http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Rapporten/Elektrosmog.pdf It explains a lot of what I have seen in the past twelve years. I have ordered the (costly) book already. Mail me your postal address. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Re: Faraday cage Regarding Faraday cages, they are the most weird issue for me! I am very happy to hear the stories like yours as that proves me I am not crazy with similar observations! Faraday cages are often worse than staying unprotected. Just to make it more weird, to mention that for my stays in wilderness I have a special all plastic trailer (camper) as I wanted to be sure to have no metal plates arround, so to avoid possible effects that we observe inside Faraday cages. There in wilderness there is no low freq hum, but the high one still can be observed, despite very low readings at the meters. So in wilderness there are places which keep me awake, like you have described, but I do rest there (!?), and most rare places are those that calm me down and enable full rest and deep sleep. I don't know where all that comes from, and what is the explanation, but have some rather bold hypothesis. I must say I am sorry for I missed to start a work group particularly dedicated to such issues, as I had announced, but I am still having it on my schedule and hope to make it soon. I believe that any progress in ES understanding would be strongly correlated with these questions. EMF readings are just a part of the issue, that can be called " environmental sensitivity " ... has made a good description in his recent message. Regards, Drasko > > Hello There > I have spent the summer sleeping in the camper because I cant stand being in the house. Fairly soon I will have to go back in. > > I have covered 3 walls of the bedroom with aluminum foil and grounded it outside the way Kikkie did. > > I did hear a low rumbling noise like a diesel engine in the bedroom, that is now gone, but there is now a high frequency noise. That noise actually feels good but the energy is pushy and keeps me awake, more or less permanently awake. > > I have also made a plug so I can unplug almost all of the electricity in the walls around the bedroom. > > Any idea of what this higher frequency is? There seems to be no way to escape it. I don't have any test equip. except an AM radio. > > I live in the country and there are very few people around, but are in a microwave corridor to feed people to the north. > > Could someone please give me a few ideas, > > Thanks xyz > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Anything longer than 8 times its width will have high inductance at high frequency. You may be able to connect a short strap through the wall, and connect that to a longer wider grounding piece. But a lot of people have run into such problems. On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 9:31 PM, xyzxyz12311@... <xyzxyz12311@... > wrote: > ** > > > Hi Bill > > It does have foil on the ceiling built into the insulation, it was grounded > to the ceiling light but I moved it away in-case it was getting some noise > from the electrical system? > > My camper has metal on all 6 sides. > > I also go to the cottage and after I am there a few days the high frequency > goes away. > > How would i get a piece of tin 16 inches wide out of the house to get a > ground? I have it grounded outside but with 2 wires. > > Yes I have used a battery, flashlight bulb and wire and there is good > conductivety across the seams. > > Thanks xyz > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > Hello There > > > I have spent the summer sleeping in the camper because I cant stand > being > > > in the house. Fairly soon I will have to go back in. > > > > > > I have covered 3 walls of the bedroom with aluminum foil and grounded > it > > > outside the way Kikkie did. > > > > > > I did hear a low rumbling noise like a diesel engine in the bedroom, > that > > > is now gone, but there is now a high frequency noise. That noise > actually > > > feels good but the energy is pushy and keeps me awake, more or less > > > permanently awake. > > > > > > I have also made a plug so I can unplug almost all of the electricity > in > > > the walls around the bedroom. > > > > > > Any idea of what this higher frequency is? There seems to be no way to > > > escape it. I don't have any test equip. except an AM radio. > > > > > > I live in the country and there are very few people around, but are in > a > > > microwave corridor to feed people to the north. > > > > > > Could someone please give me a few ideas, > > > > > > Thanks xyz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Hello Drasco I find it very interesting that you also have a high frequency. When I first tried my all metal camper the low frequency stopped right away but then the high frequency I heard got higher and kept me awake. I decided to ride it out and slept in the camper, after 3 to 5 days the high frequency went away :-) It was difficult to ride out the 3 to 5 day period, I was awake the whole period. I have now done that several years and have the same effect, I move into the camper, low frequency goes away and then 3 to 5 days latter the high frequency goes away. The camper is parked just 100 feet from my bedroom. I thought that the same thing would happen when I moved into my bedroom. The low stopped and the high started but after 3to 5 days the high was still there. That was last winter and the high frequency stayed on all winter, and I was more or less awake all winter and lived like a zombe. Just this morning in the camper almost all the frequencies stopped at 9 AM. There is farm machinery going up and down the field beside the house, I wonder if the machinery is discharging the electrical field around the house. (is that a good idea or dumb idea :-) xyz :-) > > > > Hello There > > I have spent the summer sleeping in the camper because I cant stand being in the house. Fairly soon I will have to go back in. > > > > I have covered 3 walls of the bedroom with aluminum foil and grounded it outside the way Kikkie did. > > > > I did hear a low rumbling noise like a diesel engine in the bedroom, that is now gone, but there is now a high frequency noise. That noise actually feels good but the energy is pushy and keeps me awake, more or less permanently awake. > > > > I have also made a plug so I can unplug almost all of the electricity in the walls around the bedroom. > > > > Any idea of what this higher frequency is? There seems to be no way to escape it. I don't have any test equip. except an AM radio. > > > > I live in the country and there are very few people around, but are in a microwave corridor to feed people to the north. > > > > Could someone please give me a few ideas, > > > > Thanks xyz > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Hi, ! Thank you for your input! I was unable to understand all that Mr. Gebbensleben suggests, especially regarding protection... Could you describe the instructions for protection shortly for us, please? His views are extremely interesting, I myself think that EMF influence can be compared to acoustic influence, when one reads acoustic medicine the symptoms of prolonged exposition to noise are very similar to " ours " ... But theoretically he offers not much. He is a dowser, what I don't disregard, but some rational support on statements is required... Again, I am concerned with practice, so taking into account anything, just can't overlook methodological faults... Drasko > > > > Hello There > > I have spent the summer sleeping in the camper because I cant stand being in the house. Fairly soon I will have to go back in. > > > > I have covered 3 walls of the bedroom with aluminum foil and grounded it outside the way Kikkie did. > > > > I did hear a low rumbling noise like a diesel engine in the bedroom, that is now gone, but there is now a high frequency noise. That noise actually feels good but the energy is pushy and keeps me awake, more or less permanently awake. > > > > I have also made a plug so I can unplug almost all of the electricity in the walls around the bedroom. > > > > Any idea of what this higher frequency is? There seems to be no way to escape it. I don't have any test equip. except an AM radio. > > > > I live in the country and there are very few people around, but are in a microwave corridor to feed people to the north. > > > > Could someone please give me a few ideas, > > > > Thanks xyz > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 , Thanks, but I can't read German. I had a bad experience with a faraday cage too. I tried to use the heavy duty one w/o having the smart meters removed & electrical issues not fixed yet. It is a bad idea. I felt weird tingling that felt like charges going from head to toe all night. They'd start on the head & work down the my feet & start at the head again. Caused me to wake up 5 times. I didn't use it again. Our cat got in it for a short time & didn't get back in either. She also refused to go in the room w the smart meter outside the window. From: charles <charles@...> Subject: Re: Re: Faraday cage  Hello Drasko, I have also observed very weird and alarming experiences with shieldings, especially when they are doubled. Please have a look at: http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Rapporten/Elektrosmog.pdf It explains a lot of what I have seen in the past twelve years. I have ordered the (costly) book already. Mail me your postal address. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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