Guest guest Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 Yes, I bought the Furman power strip(s) online. I've got PST-8's and a PST-10 (which I think is now discontinued). The cheaper power strips give me a sharp pain in my head -- the Stetzer filters do the same thing. As for " why I chose Furman " , if you review my past posts on power strips, you'll see that I own MANY brands of power strips, and tested them with my meters and also my reaction to them. So it was mostly a trial & error thing. I also like my old quantumproducts.com power strips -- in fact, these are my favorite, although I understand the ones they sell today are not the same ones that I bought 10 years ago (some have complained of off-gassing with the newer ones). Marc On Sun, 08 May 2011 10:45 -0400, " thode " <lizt777@...> wrote: > > Hey Marc, > Did you order the Furman on line? Is it the PST-8 model? I had a radio shack one, it was oblong with slightly rounded corners...it worked great. but then it died and I bought a 60 dollar strip with high joule...nasty energy from that one. Can you tell me how the dirty energy effects you? And what's the difference betw all the other pricy ones and the linear strip? I don't mind paying the 145 bucks..I just want it to work without making my head pound..do you leave yours plugged in at night? I could leave my old one plugged in at night...the less I have to plug and unplug, the better I am. > My computer is on its own brand new circuit..properly wired, using mc cables so I'm pretty sure this time, " its not the wiring " . I mean there's like a bazillion surge protector strips out there, what made you choose the furman linear? > Thanks for being so helpful. > Lizzie > > > > > From: marc@... > Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 19:58:50 -0700 > Subject: RE: Hey! > > > > > > > > Also on another note, I also found that the newer surge protection strips, cause us me problems (my head pounds at night from these) whereas, the older ones don't cause a problem. It does NOT matter if the outlet is totally fixed, wired safetly, wired with low emf MC shielded cable or not...My theory had to do with the capacitators being used in these surge protectors. I think the capacitors are bringing in a form level of dirty energy. > > Any feedback on this, people? > > Ironically, I find that it is the power strips with EMI/EMR filtering that cause bad reactions. I think this is because cheap circuitry is used that causes more problems than it solves. The more expensive power strips with higher quality filters (like the Furman linear filtering power strips) don't cause me any problems. Or the power strips with no filtering at all. > > Marc > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 Thanks, it was because I remembered reading your many posts on the power strips that made me realize what the problem was. As for the stetzer filters, I found an interesting article awhile back stating that those can actually cause the power to back up on the lines. The article says: " Any type of capacittive filter installed in an attempt to lower EMI, w/o the knowledge that there are wiring errors. then the field will exist as both Magnetic and Electrical fields. Basically, a stezter filter just changes the form, not elimates. Capacitors allow energy to flow in BOTH directions, now an extremely dirty energy is going to infect the hot lead with more dirt then there was to start with. " This is from: www.emfrelief.com/capacitive-filters.html That;s what it felt like to me, like the energy/electricity was literally BACKING up on my wiring. Nasty energy!!! So as much as I sympathize with all your trial and error (have had many of my own) I am VERY THANKFUL that you had posted about the power strips. And ** that I remembered having read quite a bit but at the time, I didn't truly understand. NOW I DO! Question: to my favorite techie guru/hero Marc. Do not all power strip/surge protectors have these capacitors? Including the Furman? Lizzie From: marc@... Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 08:29:04 -0700 Subject: RE: Power Strips Yes, I bought the Furman power strip(s) online. I've got PST-8's and a PST-10 (which I think is now discontinued). The cheaper power strips give me a sharp pain in my head -- the Stetzer filters do the same thing. As for " why I chose Furman " , if you review my past posts on power strips, you'll see that I own MANY brands of power strips, and tested them with my meters and also my reaction to them. So it was mostly a trial & error thing. I also like my old quantumproducts.com power strips -- in fact, these are my favorite, although I understand the ones they sell today are not the same ones that I bought 10 years ago (some have complained of off-gassing with the newer ones). Marc On Sun, 08 May 2011 10:45 -0400, " thode " <lizt777@...> wrote: > > Hey Marc, > Did you order the Furman on line? Is it the PST-8 model? I had a radio shack one, it was oblong with slightly rounded corners...it worked great. but then it died and I bought a 60 dollar strip with high joule...nasty energy from that one. Can you tell me how the dirty energy effects you? And what's the difference betw all the other pricy ones and the linear strip? I don't mind paying the 145 bucks..I just want it to work without making my head pound..do you leave yours plugged in at night? I could leave my old one plugged in at night...the less I have to plug and unplug, the better I am. > My computer is on its own brand new circuit..properly wired, using mc cables so I'm pretty sure this time, " its not the wiring " . I mean there's like a bazillion surge protector strips out there, what made you choose the furman linear? > Thanks for being so helpful. > Lizzie > > > > > From: marc@... > Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 19:58:50 -0700 > Subject: RE: Hey! > > > > > > > > Also on another note, I also found that the newer surge protection strips, cause us me problems (my head pounds at night from these) whereas, the older ones don't cause a problem. It does NOT matter if the outlet is totally fixed, wired safetly, wired with low emf MC shielded cable or not...My theory had to do with the capacitators being used in these surge protectors. I think the capacitors are bringing in a form level of dirty energy. > > Any feedback on this, people? > > Ironically, I find that it is the power strips with EMI/EMR filtering that cause bad reactions. I think this is because cheap circuitry is used that causes more problems than it solves. The more expensive power strips with higher quality filters (like the Furman linear filtering power strips) don't cause me any problems. Or the power strips with no filtering at all. > > Marc > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 > Do not all power strip/surge protectors have these capacitors? Including the Furman? The type of filters that give me problems are the " shunt capacitor " variety. These transfer the noise on the hot wire to the neutral wire. Not all filters work this way. But most of the ones on cheap surge protectors do, I think. Furman's marketing indicate that cheap filters may filter at one frequency range, but then cause " spikes " at higher frequencies. Whereas the Furmans decrease the noise in a more " linear " (straight line) fashion, without spikes. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 > As for the stetzer filters, I found an interesting article awhile back stating that those can actually > cause the power to back up on the lines. Yes, I recall reading something like that when someone pointed out the RxDNA and MxDNA noise filters. I'm not sure exactly what people mean by power/noise " backing up " on the lines, as the way it is worded makes it sound like nonsense (to me). BTW, did anyone here actually try an RxDNA or MxDNA filter? They sounded interesting, but the high price tag (~ US$600) kept me away. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 Yea...when you stop to think about, it does sound weird, doesn't It? I think of a crimp in a water hose...with pressure backing up. Actually, I think the correct explanation is " the current travels in both directions " - which if you look at an actual diagram of current, its not supposed to! (not that way, anyway.) The " feeling of the power backing up is the best way I know to explain it..because I can feel and literally hear what my wiring is doing.- *although I often don't understand exactly what is happening, or the technical explanation, I just know that something is NOT right. ....in both your case and mine, the steztr filters gave us a sharp pain in our head...mine happened only when i was laying right near an outlet with a stezter filter in it. OUch! But when the house is quiet, at night, if something is not right, the energy and sounds i hear are like this: If there's something plugged in that is bringing in more dirty energy, my head will throb AND I will hear not a hum but like a draaaggg on the wiring. The throbbing I noticed (due to trial and error) can take different forms. It can be a sharp pinging throb, it can be a low ebbing throb, it can be a fast medium throb...and the sounds I hear from the wiring will either be that draaaggging sound, or even a spooky sound that for years I mistook as ghosts..but was actually BAD WIRING. As I clean up the wiring errors, this spooky sound is gone...except if something " new " is plugged in somewhere, that is bringing or somehow amplifying wiring gone wrong. Current can piggyback, and make twin " net " currents.... this happened in my house...and the feeling I get and sounds I hear are quite distinctive. It's gotten so I don't even want to plug in anything different or new!! When the utility company fixed the line behind mine, the ceramic insulator was broken...that cleared up quite a bit of problems, as it was putting out some mighty high harmonics on my line and god only knows how much that situation could have played in a role in further exasperating my wiring problems. When I say it feels like the energy/current is backing up--its sort of like when bile backs up to your throat, that acidy feeling, you know? " Consciously most of us would recognize that " that's now how its supposed to be " . Anyway, thanks for all your input. Much appreciated. Lizzie From: marc@... Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 11:40:36 -0700 Subject: RE: Power Strips > As for the stetzer filters, I found an interesting article awhile back stating that those can actually > cause the power to back up on the lines. Yes, I recall reading something like that when someone pointed out the RxDNA and MxDNA noise filters. I'm not sure exactly what people mean by power/noise " backing up " on the lines, as the way it is worded makes it sound like nonsense (to me). BTW, did anyone here actually try an RxDNA or MxDNA filter? They sounded interesting, but the high price tag (~ US$600) kept me away. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 > Yea...when you stop to think about, it does sound weird, doesn't It? > I think of a crimp in a water hose...with pressure backing up. Well, these shunt capacitor EMI filters do " send back " the noise along the neutral wire, so I guess it could seem like the noise is " backing up " , as prior to the filter you've now got noise on the hot AND the neutral wire, while after the filter you've got less noise on the hot wire. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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