Guest guest Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Most are not born with PA and HTN and low K so BP and renin and aldo were normal before they developed it. Abnormal renin and aldo likely proceed the development of high blood pressure. On Mar 2, 2008, at 12:59 PM, Valarie wrote: > I didn't see anything about beeturia and I don't recall anything about > people not starting out with PA. > > Val > > From: hyperaldosteronism > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim > > Is Ellen the only one not getting my notes?? > > On Mar 2, 2008, at 12:31 PM, Clarence Grim wrote: > > > Guess you did not get my note on beeturia??? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 NOPE! You're pulling my leg, right? However, generally beet juice is a good thing. I usually juice 1 beet and all kinds of veggies about once a week, including a whole bunch of carrots. My liver thanks me for it. One beet does not give me any problems, although it does stain doo-doos a bit, not urine. Ellen Clarence Grim wrote: > Guess you did not get my note on beeturia??? > > On Mar 2, 2008, at 10:58 AM, Ellen wrote: > > > Yesterday, I passed along the advice that 2 cups of beet juice could > > lower BP. Yesterday afternoon, I drank 2 cups of Biota beet juice. > > Well, guess what? In the evening, I had horrible intestinal cramping > > and reddish diarrhea, not to mention that the juice stained my urine a > > lovely pale fuchsia pink. Guess the label was right: it said the juice > > was for cleansing and fasting. Then I read drink 1 cup, not 2. My > > advice is to drink only 1/2 cup after that episode, and drink lots of > > water and eat along with it. I took Pepto-Bismol, soda crackers, > > chamomile tea, and a heating pad to bed and slept it off. Sometimes, > > you can have too much of a good thing. Nothing else I ingested could > > have caused this. Today, bowels are normal. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Here is a page I found on beets lowering HBP: http://www.diabeteshealth.com/read/2008/02/17/5654.html Ellen jwwright wrote: > If red comes thru it's not a natural red which should be digested. > At least, I've never seen any color from any vegetable unless artifically > colored. > I've made a beet stew with greens several times with no effect. > Probably not as strong as a commercial beet juice might be. > I don't ascribe any particular value to beets, just variety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 It it causes diarrhea in most folks as it did in you then the sodium loss (100 mM per liter of diarrhea) will lower BP. Please tell us about science not snake oil. On Mar 2, 2008, at 6:49 PM, Ellen wrote: > Here is a page I found on beets lowering HBP: > http://www.diabeteshealth.com/read/2008/02/17/5654.html > Ellen > > jwwright wrote: > > > If red comes thru it's not a natural red which should be digested. > > At least, I've never seen any color from any vegetable unless > artifically > > colored. > > I've made a beet stew with greens several times with no effect. > > Probably not as strong as a commercial beet juice might be. > > I don't ascribe any particular value to beets, just variety. > > May your pressure be low! CE Grim BS, MS, MD High Blood Pressure Consulting Specializing in Difficult to Manage High Blood Pressure Consult the following at for details bloodpressureline hyperaldosteronism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 And the evidence that beet juice is a good thing is???? By that I mean controlled trials. On Mar 2, 2008, at 5:56 PM, Ellen wrote: > NOPE! You're pulling my leg, right? However, generally beet juice is a > good > thing. I usually juice 1 beet and all kinds of veggies about once a > week, > including a whole bunch of carrots. My liver thanks me for it. One > beet > does not give me any problems, although it does stain doo-doos a bit, > not > urine. > Ellen > > Clarence Grim wrote: > > > Guess you did not get my note on beeturia??? > > > > On Mar 2, 2008, at 10:58 AM, Ellen wrote: > > > > > Yesterday, I passed along the advice that 2 cups of beet juice > could > > > lower BP. Yesterday afternoon, I drank 2 cups of Biota beet juice. > > > Well, guess what? In the evening, I had horrible intestinal > cramping > > > and reddish diarrhea, not to mention that the juice stained my > urine a > > > lovely pale fuchsia pink. Guess the label was right: it said the > juice > > > was for cleansing and fasting. Then I read drink 1 cup, not 2. My > > > advice is to drink only 1/2 cup after that episode, and drink > lots of > > > water and eat along with it. I took Pepto-Bismol, soda crackers, > > > chamomile tea, and a heating pad to bed and slept it off. > Sometimes, > > > you can have too much of a good thing. Nothing else I ingested > could > > > have caused this. Today, bowels are normal. > > > > > > May your pressure be low! CE Grim BS, MS, MD High Blood Pressure Consulting Specializing in Difficult to Manage High Blood Pressure Consult the following at for details bloodpressureline hyperaldosteronism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 If red comes thru it's not a natural red which should be digested. At least, I've never seen any color from any vegetable unless artifically colored. I've made a beet stew with greens several times with no effect. Probably not as strong as a commercial beet juice might be. I don't ascribe any particular value to beets, just variety. Regards Re: Warning NOPE! You're pulling my leg, right? However, generally beet juice is a good thing. I usually juice 1 beet and all kinds of veggies about once a week, including a whole bunch of carrots. My liver thanks me for it. One beet does not give me any problems, although it does stain doo-doos a bit, not urine. Ellen Clarence Grim wrote: > Guess you did not get my note on beeturia??? > > On Mar 2, 2008, at 10:58 AM, Ellen wrote: > > > Yesterday, I passed along the advice that 2 cups of beet juice could > > lower BP. Yesterday afternoon, I drank 2 cups of Biota beet juice. > > Well, guess what? In the evening, I had horrible intestinal cramping > > and reddish diarrhea, not to mention that the juice stained my urine a > > lovely pale fuchsia pink. Guess the label was right: it said the juice > > was for cleansing and fasting. Then I read drink 1 cup, not 2. My > > advice is to drink only 1/2 cup after that episode, and drink lots of > > water and eat along with it. I took Pepto-Bismol, soda crackers, > > chamomile tea, and a heating pad to bed and slept it off. Sometimes, > > you can have too much of a good thing. Nothing else I ingested could > > have caused this. Today, bowels are normal. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 I don't get the snake oil comment. Please explain. Thanks, Ellen Clarence Grim wrote: > It it causes diarrhea in most folks as it did in you then the sodium > loss (100 mM per liter of diarrhea) will lower BP. Please tell us about > science not snake oil. > On Mar 2, 2008, at 6:49 PM, Ellen wrote: > > > Here is a page I found on beets lowering HBP: > > http://www.diabeteshealth.com/read/2008/02/17/5654.html > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 Snake oil salesman =google it for more info. On Mar 3, 2008, at 7:29 AM, Ellen wrote: > I don't get the snake oil comment. Please explain. > Thanks, > Ellen > > Clarence Grim wrote: > > > It it causes diarrhea in most folks as it did in you then the sodium > > loss (100 mM per liter of diarrhea) will lower BP. Please tell us > about > > science not snake oil. > > On Mar 2, 2008, at 6:49 PM, Ellen wrote: > > > > > Here is a page I found on beets lowering HBP: > > > http://www.diabeteshealth.com/read/2008/02/17/5654.html > > > > > > May your pressure be low! CE Grim BS, MS, MD High Blood Pressure Consulting Specializing in Difficult to Manage High Blood Pressure Consult the following at for details bloodpressureline hyperaldosteronism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 Yes, I know what snake oil salesmen are. However, I was referring to the fact that you called beets snake oil. The fact that beets can lower bp hardly qualifies as snake oil. Witness the study in the journal Hypertension. Ellen Clarence Grim wrote: > Snake oil salesman =google it for more info. > > On Mar 3, 2008, at 7:29 AM, Ellen wrote: > > > I don't get the snake oil comment. Please explain. > > Thanks, > > Ellen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 The simple fact is they are expressing a technique that is already well known. If I know about it must be well known. An insulin surge occurs in some people that drops the blood sugar, and that drops the blood pressure. Not a function of HTN. We just know about it because we take our BP more often. Ever notice how people fall asleep after a big meal? I did this yesterday using 2 glasses of low sodium V8. Drops 10 mmHg - no big deal. Certainly not something I can use to control my BP. Try a 1/2 cup of grits - no butter. Regards Re: Warning Yes, I know what snake oil salesmen are. However, I was referring to the fact that you called beets snake oil. The fact that beets can lower bp hardly qualifies as snake oil. Witness the study in the journal Hypertension. Ellen Clarence Grim wrote: > Snake oil salesman =google it for more info. > > On Mar 3, 2008, at 7:29 AM, Ellen wrote: > > > I don't get the snake oil comment. Please explain. > > Thanks, > > Ellen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 what about get an ecg and bringing a dect phone base with you ask the operator to suspend disbeleif and check the results, add caveat that there is often a time limit etc..... puk In a message dated 10/05/2010 22:34:55 GMT Daylight Time, evie15422@... writes: But we go to the doctor and all the blood tests come out perfectly negative Then we're accused of being delusional. After all, nobody else feels it. Eli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 That would possibly work, also, . I have also had EMG abnormalites, but at the time I had these, my docs (nor I) had any clue as to the cause. I was once told by a doc that my body magnetism was so high I nearly broke his ECG equipment, tho.  Diane From: paulpjc@... <paulpjc@...> Subject: Re: Re: Warning Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 5:36 PM  what about get an ecg and bringing a dect phone base with you ask the operator to suspend disbeleif and check the results, add caveat that there is often a time limit etc..... puk In a message dated 10/05/2010 22:34:55 GMT Daylight Time, evie15422 (DOT) com writes: But we go to the doctor and all the blood tests come out perfectly negative Then we're accused of being delusional. After all, nobody else feels it. Eli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Amen to that! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: "CherylH" <boernecheryl@...>Sender: Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 22:17:38 -0000< >Reply Subject: Warning I have to post a warning to anyone considering WLS surgery. Dr. Aceves is the best surgeon for your procedure if you decide to go forward. But please be warned! You will become ADDICTED to shopping for skinny clothes!!! LOL! I am having SO MUCH FUN buying " girl " clothes again instead of looking for the Tent Maker to make something to just cover my bulk!High heels again - because my feet and knees no longer hurt!Skirts and dresses again - because my thighs no longer rub together!Cute jeans again - because I can!Just wanted to warn you! All that money you are going to save on food? Forget about it! You will be spending it on new clothes!!!(Love you Dr. A!)Cheryl* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Cheryl, You are too funny. But it is the truth, and as you lose more along the way. You can give or trade for some new clothes. I know that there are a lot of people who need larger size clothing so consider a women's shelter a some place like that to give to larger size clothing too. Yeah for you for loving shopping it is sooooooooooooooo much fun. Suzanne In a message dated 2/9/2011 10:51:50 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, boernecheryl@... writes: I have to post a warning to anyone considering WLS surgery. Dr. Aceves is the best surgeon for your procedure if you decide to go forward. But please be warned! You will become ADDICTED to shopping for skinny clothes!!! LOL! I am having SO MUCH FUN buying "girl" clothes again instead of looking for the Tent Maker to make something to just cover my bulk!High heels again - because my feet and knees no longer hurt!Skirts and dresses again - because my thighs no longer rub together!Cute jeans again - because I can!Just wanted to warn you! All that money you are going to save on food? Forget about it! You will be spending it on new clothes!!!(Love you Dr. A!)Cheryl* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 I'm right there with you girl I shop for something just about every pay check now. New tops, jeans, shoes, makeup. It's been so fun and such an exciting experience. I have to tell you at Christmas I went looking for a dress for my company party. I mustard up the guts to take like 5 slinky strapless or spagett dresses in to try. They ALL look great. I was floored. Floored I tell you, I cried in the dressing room. I went to the party in spagetti strap red shinny dress. I look good girl!!! I'd do it all over again in a heart beat!!! Love My Sleeve!! 5/15/2010 214/138/130 then/now/goal down 76 pounds in 9 months From: CherylH <boernecheryl@...> Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 5:17:38 PMSubject: Warning I have to post a warning to anyone considering WLS surgery. Dr. Aceves is the best surgeon for your procedure if you decide to go forward. But please be warned! You will become ADDICTED to shopping for skinny clothes!!! LOL! I am having SO MUCH FUN buying "girl" clothes again instead of looking for the Tent Maker to make something to just cover my bulk!High heels again - because my feet and knees no longer hurt!Skirts and dresses again - because my thighs no longer rub together!Cute jeans again - because I can!Just wanted to warn you! All that money you are going to save on food? Forget about it! You will be spending it on new clothes!!!(Love you Dr. A!)Cheryl* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 I think its a great idea though the word pinch is appropriate here. You learned the difficult way. (grin) velda -----Original Message----- From: " A " <blwkk2@...> Subj: warning Date: Mon May 2, 2011 8:33 am Size: 4K < > Just in case anybody is as dumb as me. If you run out of greens for your morning green smoothie and you remember you have lots of dehydrated collards and turnip greens.....just use a small amount. I guess I wasn’t thinking about how greens dry up to nothing and I got a handful. My smoothie tasted reeeally collardy. Dried greens are not my first choice but I thought they would work in a pinch. I dry them at 125 degrees. I had recently dehydrated a huge bunch that filled 4 or 5 trays and all of it fit into a half gallon jar when dried. I have lots of jars of dried greens in my pantry from last year. I dried them for cooking not for smoothies. Freezing is out of the question because my 2 freezers are overflowing. Has anyone else used dehydrated greens? I could have rehydrated them first but I was in a hurry. A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 Velda, I’m afraid that seems to be the only way I learn. A From: solomon@... Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 3:42 PM Subject: Re: warning I think its a great idea though the word pinch is appropriate here. You learned the difficult way. (grin)velda-----Original Message-----From: " A" <mailto:blwkk2%40comcast.net>Subj: warningDate: Mon May 2, 2011 8:33 amSize: 4K<mailto:%40>Just in case anybody is as dumb as me. If you run out of greens for your morning green smoothie and you remember you have lots of dehydrated collards and turnip greens.....just use a small amount. I guess I wasn’t thinking about how greens dry up to nothing and I got a handful. My smoothie tasted reeeally collardy. Dried greens are not my first choice but I thought they would work in a pinch. I dry them at 125 degrees. I had recently dehydrated a huge bunch that filled 4 or 5 trays and all of it fit into a half gallon jar when dried. I have lots of jars of dried greens in my pantry from last year. I dried them for cooking not for smoothies. Freezing is out of the question because my 2 freezers are overflowing. Has anyone else used dehydrated greens? I could have rehydrated them first but I was in a hurry. A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 We can't call it dumb (because I did it too - with dehydrated spinach powder ;-)Live and learn…Live and learn. Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL(321) 773-7088 (home)(321-961-9219 (cell)))><'>www.VitamixLady.comwww..com<))>< On May 2, 2011, at 11:32 AM, A wrote: Just in case anybody is as dumb as me. If you run out of greens for your morning green smoothie and you remember you have lots of dehydrated collards and turnip greens.....just use a small amount. I guess I wasn’t thinking about how greens dry up to nothing and I got a handful. My smoothie tasted reeeally collardy. Dried greens are not my first choice but I thought they would work in a pinch. I dry them at 125 degrees. I had recently dehydrated a huge bunch that filled 4 or 5 trays and all of it fit into a half gallon jar when dried. I have lots of jars of dried greens in my pantry from last year. I dried them for cooking not for smoothies. Freezing is out of the question because my 2 freezers are overflowing. Has anyone else used dehydrated greens? I could have rehydrated them first but I was in a hurry. A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 Me too at times but at least we learn. Haha I have drunk a few smoothies which were combos I would not do again. velda Re: warning I think its a great idea though the word pinch is appropriate here. You learned the difficult way. (grin) velda -----Original Message----- From: " A " <mailto:blwkk2%40comcast.net> Subj: warning Date: Mon May 2, 2011 8:33 am Size: 4K <mailto:%40> Just in case anybody is as dumb as me. If you run out of greens for your morning green smoothie and you remember you have lots of dehydrated collards and turnip greens.....just use a small amount. I guess I wasnt thinking about how greens dry up to nothing and I got a handful. My smoothie tasted reeeally collardy.. Dried greens are not my first choice but I thought they would work in a pinch. I dry them at 125 degrees. I had recently dehydrated a huge bunch that filled 4 or 5 trays and all of it fit into a half gallon jar when dried. I have lots of jars of dried greens in my pantry from last year. I dried them for cooking not for smoothies. Freezing is out of the question because my 2 freezers are overflowing. Has anyone else used dehydrated greens? I could have rehydrated them first but I was in a hurry. A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 And today I put only kale and a very small amount of fresh pineapple, a piece of ginger, a date, some flax and chia, plus ice and water and a generous slice of lemon in a smoothie to see if I could tolerate mostly green. It was pretty "green" tasting, but not too bad. Think a bit more pineapple or other fruit would nicely cover the small amount of bitter I tasted. Live and learn. Velda On 5/2/2011 2:49 PM, Lea Ann Savage wrote: We can't call it dumb (because I did it too - with dehydrated spinach powder ;-) Live and learn… Live and learn. Blessings, Lea Ann Savage Satellite Beach, FL (321) 773-7088 (home) (321-961-9219 (cell) www.VitamixLady.com www..com <))>< On May 2, 2011, at 11:32 AM, A wrote:  Just in case anybody is as dumb as me. If you run out of greens for your morning green smoothie and you remember you have lots of dehydrated collards and turnip greens.....just use a small amount. I guess I wasn’t thinking about how greens dry up to nothing and I got a handful. My smoothie tasted reeeally collardy. Dried greens are not my first choice but I thought they would work in a pinch. I dry them at 125 degrees. I had recently dehydrated a huge bunch that filled 4 or 5 trays and all of it fit into a half gallon jar when dried. I have lots of jars of dried greens in my pantry from last year. I dried them for cooking not for smoothies. Freezing is out of the question because my 2 freezers are overflowing. Has anyone else used dehydrated greens? I could have rehydrated them first but I was in a hurry. A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 Lea Ann...when I do green juice..either a head of Romaine or Spinach I always add 1 or 2 Pink Lady apples or any other juicy apple....everyone loves it.. B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Hi I have a warning that keeps appearing before the password screen (SCIO) It claims that after 75 sessions it will flip to Demo mode unless I send information of the date of purchase. I attempted to email and phone number on screen with no success. I don't get on here often or check emails so I am just hearing about this lock out. Is this it? Any suggestions to solving this pop up? I appreciate your help Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 , I would call the person or company you purchased your program from. The lock-out happens once you sign on to the Clasp 32 and enter your password. It just knocks you back to your opening and cannot go any further until you get the newest update. You will have to call Quantum Computers or Quantum Alliance. I think that is right. I have not called and updated mine yet, but the number I am going to call is 1-877-388-2004. I hope this helps. If not, let me know and I'll see if I have other information for you. I just have not had the time to worry about getting mine updated yet, but I do need to take care of this soon too. Best of luck, 7/7/11, <pichejen@...> wrote:From: <pichejen@...>Subject: Warning" " < >Date: Thursday, July 7, 2011, 1:38 PM Hi I have a warning that keeps appearing before the password screen (SCIO) It claims that after 75 sessions it will flip to Demo mode unless I send information of the date of purchase. I attempted to email and phone number on screen with no success. I don't get on here often or check emails so I am just hearing about this lock out. Is this it? Any suggestions to solving this pop up? I appreciate your help Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 The 75 that appears is the countdown which is on some of the older programs, this number is reset (back to 100) as soon as you plug your SCIO back into your computer and it is recognized (finds the SCIO and the bodyviewer), the countdown activates each time you use the computer with the program only in subspace (the box is not attached) or if the box is not attached to the correct port, or the comport is not set to Comport 1. Any of these things will cause the SCIO program to not recognize the box and begin the countdown. I hope that helps. Yours in Health, Kathy From: Eichorn <geichorn1@...> Sent: Sun, July 24, 2011 4:31:29 PMSubject: Re: Warning , I would call the person or company you purchased your program from. The lock-out happens once you sign on to the Clasp 32 and enter your password. It just knocks you back to your opening and cannot go any further until you get the newest update. You will have to call Quantum Computers or Quantum Alliance. I think that is right. I have not called and updated mine yet, but the number I am going to call is 1-877-388-2004. I hope this helps. If not, let me know and I'll see if I have other information for you. I just have not had the time to worry about getting mine updated yet, but I do need to take care of this soon too. Best of luck, 7/7/11, <pichejen@...> wrote: From: <pichejen@...>Subject: Warning" " < >Date: Thursday, July 7, 2011, 1:38 PM Hi I have a warning that keeps appearing before the password screen (SCIO) It claims that after 75 sessions it will flip to Demo mode unless I send information of the date of purchase. I attempted to email and phone number on screen with no success. I don't get on here often or check emails so I am just hearing about this lock out. Is this it? Any suggestions to solving this pop up? I appreciate your help Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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