Guest guest Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Wow, thanks . I am i Sweden and they started with 4G here in my town. > > > > Can anyone direct me to some appropriate sites about the new emerging 4G wireless technology. It appears that this is intended to replace the current 3G technology. I wonder how much worse this is than 3G. I read that there are two transmission technologies used for 4G, but I dont know the transmission spectrums. How are the transmission towers set up and do they require the same number of towers than 3G or more? I really dread this new technology. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 > For Flanders/Brussels/Belgium, normally they're selling the licence for > 4G by the end of this year. I live in a city which already has 4G coverage everywhere I go, and I haven't noticed any new symptoms... but then again, I'm no longer as sensitive as many of the people here. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 --- At 11:37 AM 28 02 2011, alstrup@... wrote: > >Can anyone direct me to some appropriate sites about the new emerging 4G wireless technology. It appears that this is intended to replace the current 3G technology. I wonder how much worse this is than 3G. I read that there are two transmission technologies used for 4G, but I dont know the transmission spectrums. How are the transmission towers set up and do they require the same number of towers than 3G or more? I really dread this new technology. 3G4G Wireless Resource Center http://www.3g4g.co.uk/ http://www.3g4g.co.uk/Broadband/ 4G Mobile Broadband Evolution - 3GPP Release 10 and Beyond - HSPA+, SAE/LTE AND LTE-Advanced 4G Americas - February 2011 PDF: - http://www.3g4g.co.uk/Broadband/MB_WP_4GAmericas_1102.pdf ~~~~~~~ 4G - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G_Americas http://www.3gamericas.org/ Access schemes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G#Access_schemes History of 4G and pre-4G technologies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G#History_of_4G_and_pre-4G_technologies Additional resources http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G#Additional_resources 4G LTE Advanced Tutorial <http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/cellulartelecomms/lte-long-term-evolution\ /3gpp-4g-imt-lte-advanced-tutorial.php> http://www.radio-electronics.com/ Orthogonal frequency-division multiple access (OFDMA) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OFDMA WiMAX - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAX LTE Advanced http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTE_Advanced http://www.3gpp.org/article/lte-advanced 3GPP Long Term Evolution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_Evolution http://www.3gpp.org/ 3rd Generation Partnership Project (3GPP) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP Universal Mobile Telecommunications System (UMTS) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS ~~~~~~~ technical info at Scribd: - register for your free password: - 4G LTE Course - PowerPoint document - http://www.scribd.com/doc/35946508/LTE-Course 4G Wireless System - General Specifications - PowerPoint document - http://www.scribd.com/doc/30279283/4G-Wireless-System-Ppt technical PDFs at Scribd: - LTE Protocol Overview - White Paper - 2008-10 http://www.scribd.com/doc/18094043/LTE-Protocol-Overview LTE for UMTS - OFDMA and SC-FDMA Based Radio Access - Book - 2009 http://www.scribd.com/doc/45314485/LTE-The-UMTS-Long-Term-Evolution Key features of the LTE radio interface - sson Review No. 2, 2008 http://www.scribd.com/doc/38949479/6-Lte UMTS Long Term Evolution (LTE) Technology Introduction- 2007-03 http://www.scribd.com/doc/36532092/Lte-Wp-0703-Rands LTE: The Evolution of Mobile Broadband - IEEE Comm Mag - April 2009 http://www.scribd.com/doc/36679064/LTE-The-Evolution-of-Mobile-Broadband .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 In the firmware update V 37 for the Spectran HF V4, the LTE frequency bands of LTE 800 and LTE 2600 are present now. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Re: 4G Technology --- At 11:37 AM 28 02 2011, alstrup@... wrote: > >Can anyone direct me to some appropriate sites about the new emerging 4G wireless technology. It appears that this is intended to replace the current 3G technology. I wonder how much worse this is than 3G. I read that there are two transmission technologies used for 4G, but I dont know the transmission spectrums. How are the transmission towers set up and do they require the same number of towers than 3G or more? I really dread this new technology. 3G4G Wireless Resource Center http://www.3g4g.co.uk/ http://www.3g4g.co.uk/Broadband/ 4G Mobile Broadband Evolution - 3GPP Release 10 and Beyond - HSPA+, SAE/LTE AND LTE-Advanced 4G Americas - February 2011 PDF: - http://www.3g4g.co.uk/Broadband/MB_WP_4GAmericas_1102.pdf ~~~~~~~ 4G - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G_Americas http://www.3gamericas.org/ Access schemes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G#Access_schemes History of 4G and pre-4G technologies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G#History_of_4G_and_pre-4G_technologies Additional resources http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G#Additional_resources 4G LTE Advanced Tutorial <http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/cellulartelecomms/lte-long-term-evolution\ /3gpp-4g-imt-lte-advanced-tutorial.php> http://www.radio-electronics.com/ Orthogonal frequency-division multiple access (OFDMA) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OFDMA WiMAX - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAX LTE Advanced http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTE_Advanced http://www.3gpp.org/article/lte-advanced 3GPP Long Term Evolution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_Evolution http://www.3gpp.org/ 3rd Generation Partnership Project (3GPP) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP Universal Mobile Telecommunications System (UMTS) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS ~~~~~~~ technical info at Scribd: - register for your free password: - 4G LTE Course - PowerPoint document - http://www.scribd.com/doc/35946508/LTE-Course 4G Wireless System - General Specifications - PowerPoint document - http://www.scribd.com/doc/30279283/4G-Wireless-System-Ppt technical PDFs at Scribd: - LTE Protocol Overview - White Paper - 2008-10 http://www.scribd.com/doc/18094043/LTE-Protocol-Overview LTE for UMTS - OFDMA and SC-FDMA Based Radio Access - Book - 2009 http://www.scribd.com/doc/45314485/LTE-The-UMTS-Long-Term-Evolution Key features of the LTE radio interface - sson Review No. 2, 2008 http://www.scribd.com/doc/38949479/6-Lte UMTS Long Term Evolution (LTE) Technology Introduction- 2007-03 http://www.scribd.com/doc/36532092/Lte-Wp-0703-Rands LTE: The Evolution of Mobile Broadband - IEEE Comm Mag - April 2009 http://www.scribd.com/doc/36679064/LTE-The-Evolution-of-Mobile-Broadband ... ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 I really feel you...are you in the U.S.? I guess 5G will be the next craze. I'm in NJ and I'm trying to figure out how to deal with these solar panels that they've put in front of many houses, schools, businesses and municipal buildings. I guess they must be 4G, as well. I get fried on almost every street now. No one ever asked anyone's permission. They have only been up for about 6 to 10 months with the complete arrays only about 6 to 8 months. Most people do not notice these things. If they don't feel them (most don't), they won't see them. For me, these solar panels have replaced cell phone masts as the most annoying frequencies because they are almost everywhere amping up everything.  I guess I won't find that discussion online here until the new system finds its way into your communities. I wonder if they are a part of the new Smart Meter technology. I recall hearing that they were apart of the " smart grid " technology. You all are in for quite a treat with this technology. It's like frying in WIFI but a few times stronger, 24/7- down almost every block. Oh here's the clinch...  PSE & G had the contract with Petra Solar to place 200,000 in municipalities throughout NJ back in early summer. Then in around July, they contracted with AT & T to set-up a wireless connection between each panel. I walk, which is utterly loathsome--but technically, driving is equally bothersome in this " brave new world. "    Maybe we should each wait to see where it all ends up, because it seems that as soon as we catch up with a new technology...the next is waiting in the wings to dwarf that one.  Hang in there my people...strap yourselves in... It's going to be quite a ride~ Love you guys!  From: alstrup@... <alstrup@...> Subject: 4G Technology Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 2:37 PM  Can anyone direct me to some appropriate sites about the new emerging 4G wireless technology. It appears that this is intended to replace the current 3G technology. I wonder how much worse this is than 3G. I read that there are two transmission technologies used for 4G, but I dont know the transmission spectrums. How are the transmission towers set up and do they require the same number of towers than 3G or more? I really dread this new technology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Overhere we also do have solar panels. However those panels do not produce elektrosmog. Elektrosmog comes form the tranformers, where the DC current is transformed into AC curretnt. And these tranformerboxes do produce what I call *dirty air*, VLF frequencies, where electrosensitives may react to heavily. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton 4G Technology Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 2:37 PM Can anyone direct me to some appropriate sites about the new emerging 4G wireless technology. It appears that this is intended to replace the current 3G technology. I wonder how much worse this is than 3G. I read that there are two transmission technologies used for 4G, but I dont know the transmission spectrums. How are the transmission towers set up and do they require the same number of towers than 3G or more? I really dread this new technology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 28 FEB 2011 Jerusalem: Officials say upgrading infrastructure to for 4G cellular phones could increase use of such technologies and increase public's exposure to radiation. The Health and Environmental Protection ministries told the Communications Ministry on Sunday that they will oppose the expansion of cellular phone infrastructure to accommodate " fourth-generation " (4G) devices, at least until any health effects from the radiation are examined in depth. Source: http://www.jpost.com/Health/Article.aspx?id=210138 > > > From: alstrup@... <alstrup@...> > Subject: 4G Technology > > Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 2:37 PM > > > Â > > > > Can anyone direct me to some appropriate sites about the new emerging 4G wireless technology. It appears that this is intended to replace the current 3G technology. I wonder how much worse this is than 3G. I read that there are two transmission technologies used for 4G, but I dont know the transmission spectrums. How are the transmission towers set up and do they require the same number of towers than 3G or more? I really dread this new technology. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 Thanks to those who sent all the links - tons of stuff to go through - a bit overwhelming - could someone make it short and " sweet " for me right now?  Basically I want to know: * The preferred transmission system for 4G is Wimax? * Are new cellular towers to be put up for 4G and are these just as many or more than the number of 3G towers? ________________________________ From: <@...> Sent: Thu, 3 March, 2011 13:05:09 Subject: Re: 4G Technology  28 FEB 2011 Jerusalem: Officials say upgrading infrastructure to for 4G cellular phones could increase use of such technologies and increase public's exposure to radiation. The Health and Environmental Protection ministries told the Communications Ministry on Sunday that they will oppose the expansion of cellular phone infrastructure to accommodate " fourth-generation " (4G) devices, at least until any health effects from the radiation are examined in depth. Source: http://www.jpost.com/Health/Article.aspx?id=210138 > > > From: alstrup@... <alstrup@...> > Subject: 4G Technology > > Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 2:37 PM > > >  > > > > Can anyone direct me to some appropriate sites about the new emerging 4G >wireless technology. It appears that this is intended to replace the current 3G >technology. I wonder how much worse this is than 3G. I read that there are two >transmission technologies used for 4G, but I dont know the transmission >spectrums. How are the transmission towers set up and do they require the same >number of towers than 3G or more? I really dread this new technology. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 No, Wimax is quite a different system. Wimax works on the 3,5 GHz frequency band, and is meant for internet. 4G is the successor for 3 G, and works on the 800 MHz and on the 2,6 GHz frequency band. On the 800 MHz band it is meant for stationairy use, on the 2,6 GHz band it is meant for mobile use. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton 4G Technology > > Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 2:37 PM > > > Â > > > > Can anyone direct me to some appropriate sites about the new emerging 4G >wireless technology. It appears that this is intended to replace the current 3G >technology. I wonder how much worse this is than 3G. I read that there are two >transmission technologies used for 4G, but I dont know the transmission >spectrums. How are the transmission towers set up and do they require the same >number of towers than 3G or more? I really dread this new technology. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 OK many thanks for that info . Anyone happen to know about the 4G requirements for cellular towers? ________________________________ From: charles <charles@...> Sent: Thu, 3 March, 2011 15:29:37 Subject: Re: Re: 4G Technology  No, Wimax is quite a different system. Wimax works on the 3,5 GHz frequency band, and is meant for internet. 4G is the successor for 3 G, and works on the 800 MHz and on the 2,6 GHz frequency band. On the 800 MHz band it is meant for stationairy use, on the 2,6 GHz band it is meant for mobile use. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton 4G Technology > > Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 2:37 PM > > > Â > > > > Can anyone direct me to some appropriate sites about the new emerging 4G >wireless technology. It appears that this is intended to replace the current 3G >technology. I wonder how much worse this is than 3G. I read that there are two >transmission technologies used for 4G, but I dont know the transmission >spectrums. How are the transmission towers set up and do they require the same >number of towers than 3G or more? I really dread this new technology. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 LTE and Wimax are different, different frequencies and all that and not that I really care what's in a name, but both are considered by some/many as " 4G " ... 4G standing for more advanced and more bits being transfered than 3G... I copy/paste from a post of me a week ago: This is a good text on 4G (in Europe) and about the different technologies that are named 4G: http://www.capgemini.com/insights-and-resources/by-publication/3G-4G_strategies_\ \ \ for_operators_in_europe/ (register and then download the pdf is very easy and it is worthwhile) > > > > > > From: alstrup@ <alstrup@> > > Subject: 4G Technology > > > > Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 2:37 PM > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > Can anyone direct me to some appropriate sites about the new emerging 4G > >wireless technology. It appears that this is intended to replace the current 3G > >technology. I wonder how much worse this is than 3G. I read that there are two > >transmission technologies used for 4G, but I dont know the transmission > >spectrums. How are the transmission towers set up and do they require the same > >number of towers than 3G or more? I really dread this new technology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 Loni wrote: > What exactly does that all mean for us? Loni > More Addicted Users = More Noise, and More Pain. The lower frequencies can travel farther and through walls better. When they accomplish their goal of deploying everywhere, it will mean.... Trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 >The lower frequencies can travel farther and through walls better. When >they accomplish their goal of deploying everywhere, it will mean.... So are you saying that 4G is a lower frequency than 3G? Loni  > What exactly does that all mean for us? Loni > More Addicted Users = More Noise, and More Pain. The lower frequencies can travel farther and through walls better. When they accomplish their goal of deploying everywhere, it will mean.... Trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Hi A UK friend of mine is a electronic engineer and works (amongst other things) with shielding equipment from EMF. I mailed him this morning re the 4G and this is his reply (I'm copy-pasting the whole email, although some of it's not relevant to 4G specifically). My email question: Anyhow, if something has lower frequency, such as 4G vs 3G, will that mean the wave lengths will be longer? So will it be easier to shield with aluminium mosquito net? His reply: Ok yes you are correct lower frequency means longer wavelength. Longer wavelengths (lower frequencies) are easier to shield in terms of a faraday cage and yes you are correct lower frequencies have more penetrating ability through non metallic material such as rocks and buildings. Theory can explain this. Something also related to radio waves getting through whatever is in their way is the power they have at their source. I think you will be shocked that TV can be 100's of kW's (enough to power many many many houses with all the lights on as well as heaters and cookers etc.) while the mobile phone cell sites are only like 1 kW. The big difference is that the TV masts are long way away on the tops of lovely back to nature type Hills like very easily 30 to 60km away. As we know the strength of radio waves decreases very rapidly with distance and there are equations that determine the field strength at various distances. Was at an EMC risk assessment workshop a few weeks ago and the expert in this field says that the effect of a 1kW phone mast at 1m distance is the same as that of a mobile phone next to your head. My comment was there is no way I would feel happy 1m from such a mast (a 1kW microwave oven) with everyone agreeing with me and the expert saying lets move on. Well in this instance there was no close proximity to the mast so I was not bothered. This is the problem that experts in the field so no problem with EMF as long as it does not affect equipment which is designed to be very immune to such fields. The only thing that is a problem is the heart pacemaker as I do not think they can shield the wire connections so they are susceptible and even EMC experts are willing to accept that many otherwise considered safe areas are not safe for those with pace makers. > > > So are you saying that 4G is a lower frequency than 3G? Loni > > With Verizon in the USA, this appears to be true: > > Verizon 3G: 800 Mhz or 1900 Mhz > Verizon 4G: 700 Mhz > > Lower frequencies have better penetration through walls... > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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