Guest guest Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 Ornish has an explanation: Your body makes HDL to remove excessive fat and cholesterol in your diet, like a garbage truck. Most Americans consume a diet high in saturated fat and cholesterol, so those with higher HDL levels are at lower risk for heart disease since they will be more efficient at metabolizing and removing excessive saturated fat and cholesterol. In other words, those with higher HDL levels have more garbage trucks (HDL) to get rid of the garbage (excessive fat and cholesterol). However, when someone on a high-fat, high-cholesterol diet changes to a healthy low fat, low-cholesterol diet, their HDL levels may not increase or even decrease because there is less need for it. When you have less garbage, you need fewer garbage trucks to remove it, so a reduction in HDL on a low-fat diet is not harmful. In contrast, someone who increases the amount of fat and cholesterol in their diet (e.g., an Atkins diet) may increase their HDL because their body is trying to get rid of the extra garbage (fat and cholesterol) by increasing the number of available garbage trucks (HDL). For example, eating a stick of butter will raise HDL in those who are able to do so, but that does not mean that butter is good for your heart. Thus, HDL is predictive of heart disease risk only in populations in which everyone is eating a similar diet. A low HDL in the context of a healthy low-fat diet has a very different prognostic significance than a low HDL in someone eating a high-fat, high-cholesterol diet. People living in countries that consume a low-fat diet such as in Asia have low HDL levels yet the lowest rates of heart disease in the world. At best, HDL is only a risk factor for heart disease. In our studies over the past 25 years, we used actual measures of heart disease to see what happened to patients with severe coronary heart disease who consumed a low-fat, whole foods diet. They showed reversal of their heart disease using state-of-the-art measures such as quantitative coronary arteriography, cardiac PET scans, thallium scans, and radionuclide ventriculography in randomized controlled trials published in leading peer-reviewed journals. Also, there were 2.5 times fewer cardiac events in these patients. LDL decreased by 40% on average after one year and HDL decreased by 9%, yet these patients showed clear reversal of their heart disease in every way we could measure. In contrast, no one has ever shown that an Atkins, Zone, or Weight Watchers diet can reverse heart disease. The only study of the Atkins diet that used actual measures of cardiovascular disease rather than only risk factors showed that heart disease worsened in those on an Atkins diet but improved on an Ornish diet. Therefore, it would be highly misleading to say that cardiovascular risk is better on those diets than on an Ornish diet since it is the only one that has been scientifically proven to reverse heart disease. http://my.webmd.com/content/article/77/90389.htm?l astselectedguid={5FE84E90-BC77-4056-A91C-9531713CA348} > Reduction of dietary saturated fatty acids correlates with increased > plasma lecithin cholesterol acyltransferase activity in humans. > > Berard AM, Dabadie H, Palos-Pinto A, Dumon MF, Darmon M. > > Laboratoire de Biochimie et de Biologie Moleculaire, Universite > Victor Segalen Bordeaux, Bordeaux, France. annie.berard@u... > > Eur J Clin Nutr. 2004 Jun;58(6):881-7. > > OBJECTIVE: Increased HDL-cholesterol (HDL-C) concentrations have been > associated with lower coronary heart disease risk. On the other hand, > dietary fats are known to influence the fatty acid profile of plasma > lipids, including phospholipids that are substrates of lecithin > cholesterol acyltransferase (LCAT), an important enzyme in HDL > metabolism. The purpose of this study was to examine the association > between the saturated fatty acid (SFA) intake and LCAT activity. > DESIGN: An interventional study was performed in a monk community of > 25 men. SETTING: A French monk community, South West of France. > SUBJECTS AND INTERVENTIONS: The basal diet of the study cohort > contained SFA in a proportion of 13.5% of their total energy intake > (TEI). They were submitted to two experimental isocaloric diets > containing either 8.4% of the TEI in SFA (diet A) or 11% (diet , > each lasting 5 weeks. RESULTS: The elevation of SFA in diet B was > mainly obtained by decreasing carbohydrates. The only significant > difference among total fats between diets A and B was the myristic > acid content (0.6 and 1.2% of TEI, respectively). The elevation in > SFA in diet B resulted in a significant increase of HDL-C (P<0.04), > while plasma apo A-I concentration and LCAT activity both decreased > (P<0.02). CONCLUSION: Altogether, these results are consistent with a > negative effect of SFA on reverse cholesterol transport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 Maybe my last post referencing Ornish missed the point made in this study.. The study demonstrated a " negative effect of SFA on reverse cholesterol transport " even though HDL increased and Apolipoprotein A1 decreased (which btw is the major lipoprotein in HDL). So in other words a bad effect on cholesterol removal was observed in higher fat diet. My question is how do you achieve isocaloric diets while decreasing only carbohydrates in the one diet? > Reduction of dietary saturated fatty acids correlates with increased > plasma lecithin cholesterol acyltransferase activity in humans. > > Berard AM, Dabadie H, Palos-Pinto A, Dumon MF, Darmon M. > > Laboratoire de Biochimie et de Biologie Moleculaire, Universite > Victor Segalen Bordeaux, Bordeaux, France. annie.berard@u... > > Eur J Clin Nutr. 2004 Jun;58(6):881-7. > > OBJECTIVE: Increased HDL-cholesterol (HDL-C) concentrations have been > associated with lower coronary heart disease risk. On the other hand, > dietary fats are known to influence the fatty acid profile of plasma > lipids, including phospholipids that are substrates of lecithin > cholesterol acyltransferase (LCAT), an important enzyme in HDL > metabolism. The purpose of this study was to examine the association > between the saturated fatty acid (SFA) intake and LCAT activity. > DESIGN: An interventional study was performed in a monk community of > 25 men. SETTING: A French monk community, South West of France. > SUBJECTS AND INTERVENTIONS: The basal diet of the study cohort > contained SFA in a proportion of 13.5% of their total energy intake > (TEI). They were submitted to two experimental isocaloric diets > containing either 8.4% of the TEI in SFA (diet A) or 11% (diet , > each lasting 5 weeks. RESULTS: The elevation of SFA in diet B was > mainly obtained by decreasing carbohydrates. The only significant > difference among total fats between diets A and B was the myristic > acid content (0.6 and 1.2% of TEI, respectively). The elevation in > SFA in diet B resulted in a significant increase of HDL-C (P<0.04), > while plasma apo A-I concentration and LCAT activity both decreased > (P<0.02). CONCLUSION: Altogether, these results are consistent with a > negative effect of SFA on reverse cholesterol transport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 Logan, The paper by Berard basically corroborates Hegsted's work and U.S. Patent 5,382,442 (1995) by Perlman, et al. (http://tinyurl.com/4xdrc) on the cholesteremic effect of myristic acid. However this paper does not provide quantitative data. Freebird: " My question is how do you achieve isocaloric diets while decreasing only carbohydrates in the one diet? " -- You can't. They increased the fat and decreased the carbohydrates. Tony ======= From: " loganruns73 " <loganruns73@y...> Date: Sun Sep 12, 2004 12:31 pm Subject: Proof of Myristic Acid Being Bad? Reduction of dietary saturated fatty acids correlates with increased plasma lecithin cholesterol acyltransferase activity in humans. Berard AM, Dabadie H, Palos-Pinto A, Dumon MF, Darmon M. Laboratoire de Biochimie et de Biologie Moleculaire, Universite Victor Segalen Bordeaux, Bordeaux, France. annie.berard@u... Eur J Clin Nutr. 2004 Jun;58(6):881-7. The only significant difference among total fats between diets A and B was the myristic acid content (0.6 and 1.2% of TEI, respectively). The elevation in SFA in diet B resulted in a significant increase of HDL-C (P<0.04), while plasma apo A-I concentration and LCAT activity both decreased (P<0.02). CONCLUSION: Altogether, these results are consistent with a negative effect of SFA on reverse cholesterol transport. From: " freebird5005 " <freebird5005@y...> Date: Sun Sep 12, 2004 2:14 pm Subject: Re: Proof of Myristic Acid Being Bad? Maybe my last post referencing Ornish missed the point made in this study.. The study demonstrated a " negative effect of SFA on reverse cholesterol transport " even though HDL increased and Apolipoprotein A1 decreased (which btw is the major lipoprotein in HDL). So in other words a bad effect on cholesterol removal was observed in higher fat diet. My question is how do you achieve isocaloric diets while decreasing only carbohydrates in the one diet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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