Re: dental matters (was Just Another Coincidence)?

[Guest guest]

Ron: thanks. What about a hydrogen peroxide rinse? On the hp bottle it

says to use in the mouth as a rinse with a diluted 50% with water . HP

kills germs and I assume kills the bacteria associated with plaque (also a

helleva lot cheaper than the fancy mouthwashes) .

The following is entirely serious and unrelated to dental hygience and may

sound like a joke but I am not making it up ......I get dirt accumulated

inside my bellybutton and find the best way to clean it is with a q-tip

dipped in a hydrogen peroxide solution. (An old boyfriend of mine - oh

so long ago told me that there are two kinds of bellybuttons: " innies " and

" outies " - obviously I have an " innie " :-)))))

on 7/6/2004 9:27 PM, Ron Corselli at rcors wrote:

> It may be premature to attribute CR to changes in periodontal

> conditions. Periodontal disease waxes and wanes in its clinical

> manifestation. That it is, it is episodic-advancing and then

> plateauing for years in some individuals. As the commercials say,

> Listerine has been shown to reduce the bacteria associated with

> gingivitis and plaque when used as part of regular oral

> hygiene...blah, blah, blah. However, there is some concern among oral

> pathologists, Baskhar,et.al., regarding cellular changes in the

> mucosa from the alcohol. I haven't reviewed the literature in some

> time but I think there was some reference to regular use contributing

> to epitheleal dysplasia (nonmalignant cellular changes). Personally,

> I recommend using Waterpik as means to clean interdentally and Oral B

> 3D, or even manual brush for the buccal and lingual periodontal areas.

> Bleeding gums do not necessarily mean there is bacterial related gum

> disease. This can occur as a result of an inflammatory reaction the

> etiology of which is not completely understood but may be related to

> other unhealthy states in the body. Wherein, CR benefits would come

> into play in a positive manner. So there we are back to where we

> started: CR good. Inflammation bad.

[Guest guest]

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From: " john roberts " <johnhrob@n...>

Date: Tue Jul 6, 2004 9:36 pm

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Raisins ...................

lazy????

Finally regarding gum disease, the mouth just like the gut has a

micro-environment with friendly and unfriendly micro-organisms. I

recall reading about mother's passing the good flora to children thru

breast milk. While I have no doubt that mouthwash will probably just

kill them all. The mouth will get reinfested as soon as the mouthwash

wears off and " do you feel lucky " . I'm afraid I don't know any

strategy for seeding a mouth with healthy flora, and I'm sure that

even the healthy flora needs to be managed but like our gut good diet

(and brushing) may do it.

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More anectdotal evidence: Over many years, it has been my experience

that after eating meat I have a greater tendency to develop sore

throats than after eating milk products. Since I started eating

yogurt regularly several years ago, I have had a sore throat only

infrequently, and I have successfully treated it by chewing raw

garlic which has strong antiseptic properties.

It is possible that the bacteria that can grow on meat products are

more damaging to our tissues than the bacteria that thrive on milk

products. Regular consumption of kefir and yogurt may inhibit growth

of nastier bacteria.

Tony

[Guest guest]

There was some concern about the mutagenic potential of H202 but in

the small concentrations available to the public, there seemed little

evidence to support this fear. The problem is that regardless of the

product Listerine, H2O2, etc., it has been shown that these liquids

permeate only down about 1mm into the sulcus. In most adults sulcular

depth is 3-4 mm, leaving bacterial populations there intact. Best

treatment is the full debridement of bacterial infected tissue and

pockets as done by dentist or hygienist and then prevention of

repopulation of the offending species.