Guest guest Posted January 6, 2001 Report Share Posted January 6, 2001 Judith F Wisdom wrote: > Jerry, > > A former CFS expert told me if I want to break an allergic reaction to > take baking soda (or Alka Seltzer Gold--same thing almost, but came in > packets and easy to carry around) in sparkling water, and that the reason > it helps is that in an allergic response the body (what aspect--I dunno) > gets very acidic, and the baking soda reverses that. Hi! Judy I take 4 grams of Vitamin C everyday and I alkalize it by adding a 1/4 tsp of baking soda. (tastes like alka seltzer) Can't remember the reason why, but I remember it was important. As I am currently in remission, and don't bomb out until 8:30 in the evening, I'm not changing anything even if I can't remember why I'm doing it. Merle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2001 Report Share Posted January 6, 2001 I am very allergic and use the baking soda " trick " to help. It will not overcome all allergies, but it can help. I have heard there is " something " in baking soda which is not good for you, can't remember what. Aluminum perhaps. I worry about the baking soda imbalancing minerals in the body , or promoting yeasts in the gut. So, I try to use it only when I am in serious trouble, and then in a " physiological fashion " , i.e. I wait 30-45 minutes after I have eaten something to take it. This , I hope, simulates my body's natural production of bicarbonates by the pancreas, while still allowing my stomach produce acid. Zippy -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Jerry, > > > > A former CFS expert told me if I want to break an allergic reaction to > > take baking soda (or Alka Seltzer Gold--same thing almost, but came in > > packets and easy to carry around) in sparkling water, and that the reason > > it helps is that in an allergic response the body (what aspect--I dunno) > > gets very acidic, and the baking soda reverses that. > > Hi! Judy > > I take 4 grams of Vitamin C everyday and I alkalize it by adding a 1/4 tsp > of baking soda. (tastes like alka seltzer) Can't remember the reason why, > but I remember it was important. > > As I am currently in remission, and don't bomb out until 8:30 in the > evening, I'm not changing anything even if I can't remember why I'm > doing it. > > Merle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2001 Report Share Posted January 6, 2001 There are 4 things that will cause an acid release in the stomach, food, pH rise in the stomach above 4pH, histamines (things that cause an allergic response), and stress. If the acid release is due to an allergic response, logic tells me that to take baking soda would nuetralize the acids that are being produced but it may be interfering with the bodies attempts to do away with what is producing the allergy to begin with. Thus allowing whatever it is to travel further along the digestive system. The stomachs acidity is the bodies first line of defense in the digestive system. I think today that antacids are in common use for heartburn but I think that many people may be suffering from heartburn because they use too much antacid products. If the stomach acids are nuetralized, food proteins are not going to be fully broken down and vit.B12 absorption is inhibited. Having CFS, your body is probably more sensitive to any increased production of stomach acids. The key, I believe, is to get everything back into balance. All the best, Jim clements@... > Jerry, > > A former CFS expert told me if I want to break an allergic reaction to > take baking soda (or Alka Seltzer Gold--same thing almost, but came in > packets and easy to carry around) in sparkling water, and that the reason > it helps is that in an allergic response the body (what aspect--I dunno) > gets very acidic, and the baking soda reverses that. > > > Is that related here? Or , if not, has anyone else any knowledge of > this? Last week when I had that rather scary allergic reaction I threw > baking soda into a glass and drank it. Maybe took too much, but the > allergic congestion broke up. I assume but can't prove cause and effect. > > Any comments on this, as to why? > > Thanks. > > Judith > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2001 Report Share Posted January 6, 2001 Zippy. Some Baking powers contain aluminum, but not baking soda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2001 Report Share Posted January 6, 2001 Hi Judith, I was only able to eat yogurt for three years until, in the Summer of 1999 when I tried Alka Selzer to just see what would happen. Three weeks later I was eating solid food again. Now I am able to use Tri Salts by Ecological Formulas and it works as well. I read in a book about allergies that food allergies make some people too acid and others too alkaline. (People who are too alkaline would take Hydrocloric Acid for relief. Bonnie B (from now on I am going to sign with BB to save energy). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2001 Report Share Posted January 6, 2001 Hi, all, Looks like a hot topic! Judy, >A former CFS expert told me if I want to break an allergic reaction to >take baking soda (or Alka Seltzer Gold--same thing almost, but came in >packets and easy to carry around) in sparkling water, and that the reason >it helps is that in an allergic response the body (what aspect--I dunno) >gets very acidic, and the baking soda reverses that. > I know that allergic & inflammation reactions involve pH changes, but I don't believe that changing O2 carrying capacity of hemoblobin is a major player. The secretion of stomach acid (stimulated by histamine) is more likely the reason that baking soda reduces discomfort. Merle, >I take 4 grams of Vitamin C everyday and I alkalize it by adding a 1/4 tsp >of baking soda. (tastes like alka seltzer) Can't remember the reason why, >but I remember it was important. > Vit C is a weak acid. Taking enough of it as pure ascorbic acid can result in, among other things, etching enamel of the teeth. Adding some baking soda is an easy way of making sure that the pH of what is taken is about neutral. Zippy, >I have heard there is " something " in baking soda which is not good >for you, can't remember what. Aluminum perhaps. > Pure baking soda is sodium bicarbonate, with no additives. Baking powder, on the other hand, has more stuff in it - maybe that is what was being thought of? >I worry about the baking soda imbalancing minerals in the body , or >promoting yeasts in the gut. So, I try to use it only when I am in >serious trouble, and then in a " physiological fashion " , i.e. I wait >30-45 minutes after I have eaten something to take it. This , I >hope, simulates my body's natural production of bicarbonates by the >pancreas, while still allowing my stomach produce acid. > Depending on the amount, this could be good. But if too much is taken, it will raise stomach pH high enough to get another burst of acid secretion, which defeats the purpose. Jim, >If the acid release is due to an allergic response, logic tells me >that to take baking soda would nuetralize the acids that are being >produced but it may be interfering with the bodies attempts to do away >with what is producing the allergy to begin with. Thus allowing >whatever it is to travel further along the digestive system. The >stomachs acidity is the bodies first line of defense in the digestive >system. > That may be true in the case of a food allergy - obviously in the case of an allergen coming in thru the bloodstream this is not a consideration. The digestion of food into allergenic peptides may depend on what proteases are primarily used. Decreasing pepsin action in the stomach (by raising pH with baking soda) will result in more undigested stuff going into the intestines. There it will be digested by trypsin and chymotrypsin which will leave different (and possibly non-allergenic) peptides. So slowing stomach digestion is not necessarily a bad thing. Jerry _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2001 Report Share Posted January 6, 2001 My doctor has me take 1/2 tsp Vitamin C (ascorbic acid, 1/2 tsp = 2 grams) with 1/4 tsp of a compounded mixture of sodium/potassium bicarbonate 2:1, for allergic reactions. Works not only for foods but for inhalants - dogs, cats, grasses....Does not work as well for reactions from chemicals, i.e., gasoline, perfume... the MS type reactions. Works well and restore my breathing much better than any inhaler I have ever used. (I have asthma since childhood). in fact have only used an inhaler once since using the Vit C/bicarb mix and that was only because I forgot my bicarb/C mix and ran into a cat at a friend's house. Donna in NC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2001 Report Share Posted January 6, 2001 Jim, I think you answered the question I posed, as to why baking soda had been recommended as a first line defense when you find yourself getting an acute allergic response--not as a regular thing. If, as you've said, acid increases in the stomach due to histamine, that is probably it, though I think maybe the histamine increase is more extensive. In an acute allergic response, if it's histamine mediated, which allergic I think always involves, as a subset of other hypersensitivity responses, it will take longer for an antihistimine to break it (if symptoms are bad!) then the baking soda. And an epinephrine shot (e.g. EpiPen) is the next intervention, though in a bad reaction that gives you about 20 minutes I was told , to get to an ER. I shall pursue this if I can. But I agree, taking baking soda on a regular basis is probably unwise. I don't do it and see no reason to mess with stomach acids, necessary for digestion. Judith On Sat, 06 Jan 2001 16:31:26 -0000 clements@... writes: > > There are 4 things that will cause an acid release in the stomach, > food, pH rise in the stomach above 4pH, histamines (things that > cause > an allergic response), and stress. > > If the acid release is due to an allergic response, logic tells me > that to take baking soda would nuetralize the acids that are being > produced but it may be interfering with the bodies attempts to do > away > with what is producing the allergy to begin with. Thus allowing > whatever it is to travel further along the digestive system. The > stomachs acidity is the bodies first line of defense in the > digestive > system. > > I think today that antacids are in common use for heartburn but I > think that many people may be suffering from heartburn because they > use too much antacid products. If the stomach acids are > nuetralized, > food proteins are not going to be fully broken down and vit.B12 > absorption is inhibited. > > Having CFS, your body is probably more sensitive to any increased > production of stomach acids. The key, I believe, is to get > everything > back into balance. > > > All the best, > Jim > clements@... > > > > > > > Jerry, > > > > A former CFS expert told me if I want to break an allergic > reaction > to > > take baking soda (or Alka Seltzer Gold--same thing almost, but > came > in > > packets and easy to carry around) in sparkling water, and that the > > reason > > it helps is that in an allergic response the body (what aspect--I > dunno) > > gets very acidic, and the baking soda reverses that. > > > > > > Is that related here? Or , if not, has anyone else any knowledge > of > > this? Last week when I had that rather scary allergic reaction I > threw > > baking soda into a glass and drank it. Maybe took too much, but > the > > allergic congestion broke up. I assume but can't prove cause and > effect. > > > > Any comments on this, as to why? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Judith > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences > with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested > in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 I'm your typical lurker, but since almost everyone here is more knowledgeable than I. . . Here it goes. A friend of mine was doing bath salts and she was told not to use baking soda as an ingredient as it absorbs the scent (like little yellow boxes in refrigerators ). I just finished making five large tubs with baking soda included. Can anyone please explain this. I have yet to add my soluble dextrose and citric acid. Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2004 Report Share Posted December 25, 2004 , I presume I am going to make a tea out of these tinctures, and that it is available at the herb store. I am wondering if using the leaves and/or the fruit of one or both of these will do the same thing. I know we have elderberry here which grows wild, but I do not know about wolfberry. I will do somemore checking on this. Thank You! Merry Christmas! Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2004 Report Share Posted December 26, 2004 Jay, I put a partial dropper full into filtered water every day. I keep a shot glass handy on the counter and fill that with the water and then drop the two tinctures in. Why heat it up and take a chance on altering the chemistry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2005 Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 Hi Tamara, Depending on the kind of mouth sores you have - if they are viral type cold sores - you could try using some of the homeopathic medicine which has a alcohol base. It is the alcohol part that you are after and I find the 'Cold and 'flu remedy' is just fine. It burns like fire to start with but it clears them up in no time and if you put it on when they just start you can stop them in their tracks. It helps for the fungal sores as well. You could get Nizoral mouth gel - that also works quickly for fungal mouth sores. Sometimes one just has to have a course of antibiotics from your doctor to clear them and then keep them away by treating them quickly with alcohol. Hope it works for you. Joan Baking soda > Someone said something about baking soda would help neutralize the > acids in the mouth is this true and will it help with the mouth sores? > if so in what combination do you use it in? please let me know as my > mouth sores are driving me nuts thanks Tamara > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Could they also be apthos lesions -- otherwise known as cancer sores -- can get a bad outbreak after a virus -- they are an autoimmune response -- which tends to be what most of us are good at! > Hi Tamara, > Depending on the kind of mouth sores you have - if they are viral type cold > sores - you could try using some of the homeopathic medicine which has a > alcohol base. It is the alcohol part that you are after and I find the 'Cold > and 'flu remedy' is just fine. It burns like fire to start with but it > clears them up in no time and if you put it on when they just start you can > stop them in their tracks. It helps for the fungal sores as well. You could > get Nizoral mouth gel - that also works quickly for fungal mouth sores. > Sometimes one just has to have a course of antibiotics from your doctor to > clear them and then keep them away by treating them quickly with alcohol. > Hope it works for you. > Joan > Baking soda > > > > Someone said something about baking soda would help neutralize the > > acids in the mouth is this true and will it help with the mouth sores? > > if so in what combination do you use it in? please let me know as my > > mouth sores are driving me nuts thanks Tamara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Hi Tamara, I just use a tea spoon of baking soda mixed with warm water. Pretend it's a shot glass, only don't swallow :-) . Baking soda > Someone said something about baking soda would help neutralize the > acids in the mouth is this true and will it help with the mouth sores? > if so in what combination do you use it in? please let me know as my > mouth sores are driving me nuts thanks Tamara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 I was just checking out this same guy [] He is convinced cancer is a fungus. He says the fungus is always there with cancer (a form of candida) but that the common concept is that that is a side effect, not a cause. Here is a (translated) lecture http://video.google.it/videoplay?docid=-598800713255508140 & hl=it <http://video.google.it/videoplay?docid=-598800713255508140 & hl=it> 24 minutes. He treats with sodium bicarbonate and you see pictures of results in his presentation. I wonder if he will turn out like the two guys who won the Nobel prize for science in recent years. They were convinced ulcers were a virus and were heavily ridiculed by their peers for the idea. Finally they infected and cured themselves and made history. That cancer work combined with the ideas of baking soda helping stop the loss of calcium A long term acid state of the body is much like a chicken bone in a vinegar. The calcium is removed BY ACIDITY, not by alkalization. Thus the alkalization will reduce any leeching effect of the blood in removing the calcium from your bones, very much like acid rain that eats through Greek statues. The fact is, alkalization protects against calcium from leeching from the bones because it is the acid that eats through the calcium. http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/acv_baking_soda.html <http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/acv_baking_soda.html> has got me feeling good about taking it. Maybe I won't do it three times a day forever, but it feels right now. The guy quoted immediately above says he has been taking it for 35 years. I will report on the repeat lab work I will do soon. . . > > Man I am telling you this baking soda 3 times a day makes me feel > sooooooooooo much better. I think it is the cure for me When I > don't do it my left side feels pain, burning, imploded, weak. When I do > it, I feel strong like I did in my youth > > XO > > , I thought this was interesting since baking soda is helping you so > much. Isn't it like bicarb solution? Jess > > " Sodium bicarbonate – chemical compound used in the Simoncini therapy for > the disintegration of the fungin masses that cause cancer " > - from the Dr Simoncini site ( > http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/2-vocabulary-simoncini.html Try > this and go from there to the skin cancer page ) he talks about application > of bicarb solution > > and also about iodine painting. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 wrote: > > > I was just checking out this same guy [] He is convinced cancer is > a fungus. He says the fungus is always there with cancer (a form of > candida) but that the common concept is that that is a side effect, not > a cause. > > Here is a (translated) lecture > http://video.google.it/videoplay?docid=-598800713255508140 & hl=it > <http://video.google.it/videoplay?docid=-598800713255508140 & hl=it> > <http://video.google.it/videoplay?docid=-598800713255508140 & hl=it > <http://video.google.it/videoplay?docid=-598800713255508140 & hl=it>> 24 > minutes. > > He treats with sodium bicarbonate and you see pictures of results in his > presentation. > > I wonder if he will turn out like the two guys who won the Nobel prize > for science in recent years. They were convinced ulcers were a virus > and were heavily ridiculed by their peers for the idea. > > Finally they infected and cured themselves and made history. What really happened was that the last patents expired on prescription anti-acids. The fact that antibiotics worked was known for more than 10 years before the last patent expired. Likely, when the last of the basic cholesterol/statin patents expire in 2012, a similar change in " thinking " will occur. New drugs, like HDL enhancers will hit the market or something similar. > > That cancer work combined with the ideas of baking soda helping stop the > loss of calcium > > A long term acid state of the body is much like a chicken bone in a > vinegar. The calcium is removed BY ACIDITY, not by alkalization. Thus > the alkalization will reduce any leeching effect of the blood in > removing the calcium from your bones, very much like acid rain that eats > through Greek statues. The fact is, alkalization protects against > calcium from leeching from the bones because it is the acid that eats > through the calcium. > http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/acv_baking_soda.html > <http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/acv_baking_soda.html> > <http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/acv_baking_soda.html > <http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/acv_baking_soda.html>> > > has got me feeling good about taking it. > > Maybe I won't do it three times a day forever, but it feels right now. > The guy quoted immediately above says he has been taking it for 35 > years. > > I will report on the repeat lab work I will do soon. . . > > How much do y'all take and how do you take it? Are you concerned about the sodium content? It seems to me that one could take additional magnesium and potassium to also counteract an acidic diet, something that would naturally occur on a paleo diet. -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 And Rife was convinced that cancer is caused by the virus that he commonly saw and killed resulting in a cure just as MMS cures melanoma... while others attack it with pH balance and attribute it to an acidic system as these guys do... so all may be symptoms and not cause. My opinion, so far, is that cancer is an adaptation of the body to a particular stress or combination of stresses as a last resort in order to survive. For instance the liver is overburdened with toxins, so the body adjusts by sending them to the skin where it appears as skin cancer. . This theory has been suggested by others and makes sense to me. In the process, and in its weakened state, the body commonly picks up viruses and fungi which if killed off aid in the natural healing process resulting in a " cure " . This, if true, would mean that cancer is an adaptation to stress rather than a disease. wrote: > I was just checking out this same guy [] He is convinced cancer is > a fungus. He says the fungus is always there with cancer (a form of > candida) but that the common concept is that that is a side effect, not > a cause. > > Here is a (translated) lecture > http://video.google.it/videoplay?docid=-598800713255508140 & hl=it > <http://video.google.it/videoplay?docid=-598800713255508140 & hl=it> > <http://video.google.it/videoplay?docid=-598800713255508140 & hl=it > <http://video.google.it/videoplay?docid=-598800713255508140 & hl=it>> 24 > minutes. > > He treats with sodium bicarbonate and you see pictures of results in his > presentation. > > I wonder if he will turn out like the two guys who won the Nobel prize > for science in recent years. They were convinced ulcers were a virus > and were heavily ridiculed by their peers for the idea. > > Finally they infected and cured themselves and made history. > > That cancer work combined with the ideas of baking soda helping stop the > loss of calcium > > A long term acid state of the body is much like a chicken bone in a > vinegar. The calcium is removed BY ACIDITY, not by alkalization. Thus > the alkalization will reduce any leeching effect of the blood in > removing the calcium from your bones, very much like acid rain that eats > through Greek statues. The fact is, alkalization protects against > calcium from leeching from the bones because it is the acid that eats > through the calcium. > http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/acv_baking_soda.html > <http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/acv_baking_soda.html> > <http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/acv_baking_soda.html > <http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/acv_baking_soda.html>> > > has got me feeling good about taking it. > > Maybe I won't do it three times a day forever, but it feels right now. > The guy quoted immediately above says he has been taking it for 35 > years. > > I will report on the repeat lab work I will do soon. . . > > > > > > > > Man I am telling you this baking soda 3 times a day makes me feel > > sooooooooooo much better. I think it is the cure for me When I > > don't do it my left side feels pain, burning, imploded, weak. When I > do > > it, I feel strong like I did in my youth > > > > XO > > > > , I thought this was interesting since baking soda is helping > you so > > much. Isn't it like bicarb solution? Jess > > > > " Sodium bicarbonate - chemical compound used in the Simoncini > therapy for > > the disintegration of the fungin masses that cause cancer " > > - from the Dr Simoncini site ( > > http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/2-vocabulary-simoncini.html > <http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/2-vocabulary-simoncini.html> Try > > this and go from there to the skin cancer page ) he talks about > application > > of bicarb solution > > > > and also about iodine painting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 > > What really happened was that the last patents expired on prescription > anti-acids. The fact that antibiotics worked was known for more than 10 > years before the last patent expired. > Well the other version made for a good story at least, lol. Baking Soda > > How much do y'all take and how do you take it? I am doing 1-2 teaspoons of it in a glass with apple juice and/or water. The apple juice does a good job of covering the taste of the baking soda. For me it feels right to take this three times a day. I don't know if everyone would need that frequency or if I will need that much for a long time. One person who has used it baking soda a lot and for a long time suggests in general about 1/2 of what I am taking right now, but I think I have some catch up to do. It seems having it be the last thing to take before sleeping is good, especially for any acid reflux issues. As far as my ratio of water/apple juice, etc. : My feeling is I still want the benefits of many things that have acidity but I am too acidic overall so I am trying to correct that while not neglecting other nutrients. I just go with whatever concoction seems right at the moment. (my friend who used to own a vitamin store) had told me apple juice helps break down stones, and that most stones are cholesterol and/or calcium. > > Are you concerned about the sodium content? Not too much because : 1) I had quite a bit of baking soda the week prior to when the lab work I just had done. If the lab results are correct, everything was normal except that my bad cholesterol went down so much to dr thinks it's a lab anomaly. We will see when I re-test next week. 2) I am finding folks who have taken baking soda for very long periods of time with nothing but good things to say about it 3) Dr.s prescribe it for certain things anyway 4) I feel so much better on it > > It seems to me that one could take additional magnesium and potassium to > also counteract an acidic diet, something that would naturally occur on > a paleo diet. > Yes there seems to be a few ways to handle it, and I read studies showing that being too alkaline would be a problem too. It's just not many people are in this position. Also there was the study that said that : With advancing age, the severity of diet-dependent acidosis increases independently of diet (3, 4). That occurs because kidney function ordinarily declines substantially with age, resulting in a condition similar to that of chronic renal insufficiency (7). Renal insufficiency induces metabolic acidosis by reducing conservation of filtered bicarbonate and excretion of acid. http://www.mgwater.com/estend.shtml <http://www.mgwater.com/estend.shtml> I mean I don't want people to feel I am pushing it on them. For me, within a week of taking it I felt my heart rate and breathing rate calm to a permanent calm. I felt better on it than off it. It was very obvious. At that point where my heart and breathing rate stayed calm even without the baking soda immediately in my system, I experimented with staying off it but found I am doing much better on it. My instinct and interpretation of how I am feeling says I've got some pretty significant issues with acidity right now. Not everyone may be in that position. But according to what I'm reading it is common for adults with a western diet to be too acidic, and for that to get worse with age. > -- > > Steve - dudescholar4@... > > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at > http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html > > " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march > to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Thanks for your comments. I think I'm going to give it a try. In doing some research yesterday on sodium bicarbonate and potassium bicarbonate, I found a study that noted that athletes taking 300 mg/kg of body obtained very very significant performance gains and quick recovery time. For someone who weights 150 lbs, that would be about 20 grams a couple hours before exercise/performance. 150lbs/2.2(lbs/kg)*.3=20.45 grams. It did have a slight effect on raising blood PH but obviously, at least I think obviously, it's being stored somehow for use on demand. One can get the same effect by drinking a lot of high ph water. Some of this kind of water contains in solution calcium bicarbonate, a product that cannot be extracted from the water without destroying it. I might look into potassium bicarbonate as well since I take 3000 mg/day of potassium in the form of 9000 mg of potassium citrate. Potassium citrate is about 32% potassium. As to mixing it with apple juice, I tend to avoid all juices because of their glycemic index, juice's tendency to raise blood glucose and insulin levels, something that accelerates aging and body wear down. I'll probably just mix it with water or take it by weight and then wash down with water. I noticed that the " baking soda " we have in house at the moment says " not for human consumption " while another container of the same, different brand, notes it's use as a meat tenderizer and food cleaning. Steve wrote: > > > > > > > What really happened was that the last patents expired on prescription > > anti-acids. The fact that antibiotics worked was known for more than > 10 > > years before the last patent expired. > > > > Well the other version made for a good story at least, lol. > > Baking Soda > > > > How much do y'all take and how do you take it? > > I am doing 1-2 teaspoons of it in a glass with apple juice and/or water. > The apple juice does a good job of covering the taste of the baking > soda. > > For me it feels right to take this three times a day. I don't know if > everyone would need that frequency or if I will need that much for a > long time. > > One person who has used it baking soda a lot and for a long time > suggests in general about 1/2 of what I am taking right now, but I think > I have some catch up to do. > > It seems having it be the last thing to take before sleeping is good, > especially for any acid reflux issues. > > As far as my ratio of water/apple juice, etc. : > > My feeling is I still want the benefits of many things that have acidity > but I am too acidic overall so I am trying to correct that while not > neglecting other nutrients. I just go with whatever concoction seems > right at the moment. > > (my friend who used to own a vitamin store) had told me apple > juice helps break down stones, and that most stones are cholesterol > and/or calcium. > > > > > Are you concerned about the sodium content? > > Not too much because : > > 1) I had quite a bit of baking soda the week prior to when the lab work > I just had done. If the lab results are correct, everything was normal > except that my bad cholesterol went down so much to dr thinks it's a > lab anomaly. We will see when I re-test next week. > > 2) I am finding folks who have taken baking soda for very long periods > of time with nothing but good things to say about it > > 3) Dr.s prescribe it for certain things anyway > > 4) I feel so much better on it > > > > > It seems to me that one could take additional magnesium and potassium > to > > also counteract an acidic diet, something that would naturally occur > on > > a paleo diet. > > > > Yes there seems to be a few ways to handle it, and I read studies > showing that being too alkaline would be a problem too. It's just not > many people are in this position. Also there was the study that said > that : > > With advancing age, the severity of diet-dependent acidosis increases > independently of diet (3, 4). That occurs because kidney function > ordinarily declines substantially with age, resulting in a condition > similar to that of chronic renal insufficiency (7). Renal insufficiency > induces metabolic acidosis by reducing conservation of filtered > bicarbonate and excretion of acid. > > http://www.mgwater.com/estend.shtml <http://www.mgwater.com/estend.shtml> > <http://www.mgwater.com/estend.shtml <http://www.mgwater.com/estend.shtml>> > > I mean I don't want people to feel I am pushing it on them. For me, > within a week of taking it I felt my heart rate and breathing rate calm > to a permanent calm. I felt better on it than off it. It was very > obvious. > > At that point where my heart and breathing rate stayed calm even without > the baking soda immediately in my system, I experimented with staying > off it but found I am doing much better on it. > > My instinct and interpretation of how I am feeling says I've got some > pretty significant issues with acidity right now. > > Not everyone may be in that position. But according to what I'm reading > it is common for adults with a western diet to be too acidic, and for > that to get worse with age. > > > > > -- > > > > Steve - dudescholar4@... > > > > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at > > http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html > <http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html> > > > > " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march > > to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 I had worried about the sodium as I read it leeches calcium. This seems to be just what you need. If I were in your shoes, I would probably be doing just what you're doing. Your results have been remarkable. The cholesterol effect was unexpected. I had a girlfriend who tried baking soda because she read about it in a newsletter that it would reduce stomach acid. She had a negative reaction to the experiment, some sort of painful muscle thing ... she isn't a normal example though as she often had things wrong with her back then. I assume her electrolytes were whacky. I had a doctor who recommended the baths with baking soda & epsom salts (magnesium). He also recommended a product called 'Sea Veggie " - capsules containing a mix of trace minerals. wrote: > > > > Baking Soda > > > > How much do y'all take and how do you take it? > > I am doing 1-2 teaspoons of it in a glass with apple juice and/or water. > The apple juice does a good job of covering the taste of the baking > soda. > > For me it feels right to take this three times a day. I don't know if > everyone would need that frequency or if I will need that much for a > long time. > > One person who has used it baking soda a lot and for a long time > suggests in general about 1/2 of what I am taking right now, but I think > I have some catch up to do. > > It seems having it be the last thing to take before sleeping is good, > especially for any acid reflux issues. > > As far as my ratio of water/apple juice, etc. : > > My feeling is I still want the benefits of many things that have acidity > but I am too acidic overall so I am trying to correct that while not > neglecting other nutrients. I just go with whatever concoction seems > right at the moment. > > (my friend who used to own a vitamin store) had told me apple > juice helps break down stones, and that most stones are cholesterol > and/or calcium. > > > > > Are you concerned about the sodium content? > > Not too much because : > > 1) I had quite a bit of baking soda the week prior to when the lab work > I just had done. If the lab results are correct, everything was normal > except that my bad cholesterol went down so much to dr thinks it's a > lab anomaly. We will see when I re-test next week. > > 2) I am finding folks who have taken baking soda for very long periods > of time with nothing but good things to say about it > > 3) Dr.s prescribe it for certain things anyway > > 4) I feel so much better on it > > > > > It seems to me that one could take additional magnesium and potassium > to > > also counteract an acidic diet, something that would naturally occur > on > > a paleo diet. > > > > Yes there seems to be a few ways to handle it, and I read studies > showing that being too alkaline would be a problem too. It's just not > many people are in this position. Also there was the study that said > that : > > With advancing age, the severity of diet-dependent acidosis increases > independently of diet (3, 4). That occurs because kidney function > ordinarily declines substantially with age, resulting in a condition > similar to that of chronic renal insufficiency (7). Renal insufficiency > induces metabolic acidosis by reducing conservation of filtered > bicarbonate and excretion of acid. > > http://www.mgwater.com/estend.shtml <http://www.mgwater.com/estend.shtml> > <http://www.mgwater.com/estend.shtml > <http://www.mgwater.com/estend.shtml>> > > I mean I don't want people to feel I am pushing it on them. For me, > within a week of taking it I felt my heart rate and breathing rate calm > to a permanent calm. I felt better on it than off it. It was very > obvious. > > At that point where my heart and breathing rate stayed calm even without > the baking soda immediately in my system, I experimented with staying > off it but found I am doing much better on it. > > My instinct and interpretation of how I am feeling says I've got some > pretty significant issues with acidity right now. > > Not everyone may be in that position. But according to what I'm reading > it is common for adults with a western diet to be too acidic, and for > that to get worse with age. > > > > > -- > > > > Steve - dudescholar4@... > > > > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at > > http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html > <http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html> > > > > " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march > > to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Steve, It's a bit expensive, but I just noticed a product that has both sodium bicarbonate and potassium bicarbonate : http://www.enzymedica.com/products/pH_Basic?PHPSESSID=ba34c7f4799ea4d826\ e515b32aaa8445 <http://www.enzymedica.com/products/pH_Basic?PHPSESSID=ba34c7f4799ea4d82\ 6e515b32aaa8445> If nothing else, it is interesting to note what's in their supplement and it's suggested amounts to take for use and therapeutic use. Also here are some various alkalizing formulas not involving apple juice : http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/alkalizing_formulas.html <http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/alkalizing_formulas.html> > > > > > > > > > > > > What really happened was that the last patents expired on prescription > > > anti-acids. The fact that antibiotics worked was known for more than > > 10 > > > years before the last patent expired. > > > > > > > Well the other version made for a good story at least, lol. > > > > Baking Soda > > > > > > How much do y'all take and how do you take it? > > > > I am doing 1-2 teaspoons of it in a glass with apple juice and/or water. > > The apple juice does a good job of covering the taste of the baking > > soda. > > > > For me it feels right to take this three times a day. I don't know if > > everyone would need that frequency or if I will need that much for a > > long time. > > > > One person who has used it baking soda a lot and for a long time > > suggests in general about 1/2 of what I am taking right now, but I think > > I have some catch up to do. > > > > It seems having it be the last thing to take before sleeping is good, > > especially for any acid reflux issues. > > > > As far as my ratio of water/apple juice, etc. : > > > > My feeling is I still want the benefits of many things that have acidity > > but I am too acidic overall so I am trying to correct that while not > > neglecting other nutrients. I just go with whatever concoction seems > > right at the moment. > > > > (my friend who used to own a vitamin store) had told me apple > > juice helps break down stones, and that most stones are cholesterol > > and/or calcium. > > > > > > > > Are you concerned about the sodium content? > > > > Not too much because : > > > > 1) I had quite a bit of baking soda the week prior to when the lab work > > I just had done. If the lab results are correct, everything was normal > > except that my bad cholesterol went down so much to dr thinks it's a > > lab anomaly. We will see when I re-test next week. > > > > 2) I am finding folks who have taken baking soda for very long periods > > of time with nothing but good things to say about it > > > > 3) Dr.s prescribe it for certain things anyway > > > > 4) I feel so much better on it > > > > > > > > It seems to me that one could take additional magnesium and potassium > > to > > > also counteract an acidic diet, something that would naturally occur > > on > > > a paleo diet. > > > > > > > Yes there seems to be a few ways to handle it, and I read studies > > showing that being too alkaline would be a problem too. It's just not > > many people are in this position. Also there was the study that said > > that : > > > > With advancing age, the severity of diet-dependent acidosis increases > > independently of diet (3, 4). That occurs because kidney function > > ordinarily declines substantially with age, resulting in a condition > > similar to that of chronic renal insufficiency (7). Renal insufficiency > > induces metabolic acidosis by reducing conservation of filtered > > bicarbonate and excretion of acid. > > > > http://www.mgwater.com/estend.shtml <http://www.mgwater.com/estend.shtml> > > <http://www.mgwater.com/estend.shtml <http://www.mgwater.com/estend.shtml>> > > > > I mean I don't want people to feel I am pushing it on them. For me, > > within a week of taking it I felt my heart rate and breathing rate calm > > to a permanent calm. I felt better on it than off it. It was very > > obvious. > > > > At that point where my heart and breathing rate stayed calm even without > > the baking soda immediately in my system, I experimented with staying > > off it but found I am doing much better on it. > > > > My instinct and interpretation of how I am feeling says I've got some > > pretty significant issues with acidity right now. > > > > Not everyone may be in that position. But according to what I'm reading > > it is common for adults with a western diet to be too acidic, and for > > that to get worse with age. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Steve - dudescholar4@ > > > > > > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at > > > http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html > > <http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html> > > > > > > " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march > > > to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 soya, potatoes, wheat bran, wheat germ = all nice high potassium On 30/04/2008, <kekikamiller@...> wrote: > > Steve, > > It's a bit expensive, but I just noticed a product that has both sodium > bicarbonate and potassium bicarbonate : > > http://www.enzymedica.com/products/pH_Basic?PHPSESSID=ba34c7f4799ea4d826\ > e515b32aaa8445<http://www.enzymedica.com/products/pH_Basic?PHPSESSID=ba34c7f4799\ ea4d826e515b32aaa8445> > <http://www.enzymedica.com/products/pH_Basic?PHPSESSID=ba34c7f4799ea4d82\ > 6e515b32aaa8445<http://www.enzymedica.com/products/pH_Basic?PHPSESSID=ba34c7f479\ 9ea4d826e515b32aaa8445> > > > > If nothing else, it is interesting to note what's in their supplement > and it's suggested amounts to take for use and therapeutic use. > > Also here are some various alkalizing formulas not involving apple juice > : > > http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/alkalizing_formulas.html > <http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/alkalizing_formulas.html> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What really happened was that the last patents expired on > prescription > > > > anti-acids. The fact that antibiotics worked was known for more > than > > > 10 > > > > years before the last patent expired. > > > > > > > > > > Well the other version made for a good story at least, lol. > > > > > > Baking Soda > > > > > > > > How much do y'all take and how do you take it? > > > > > > I am doing 1-2 teaspoons of it in a glass with apple juice and/or > water. > > > The apple juice does a good job of covering the taste of the baking > > > soda. > > > > > > For me it feels right to take this three times a day. I don't know > if > > > everyone would need that frequency or if I will need that much for a > > > long time. > > > > > > One person who has used it baking soda a lot and for a long time > > > suggests in general about 1/2 of what I am taking right now, but I > think > > > I have some catch up to do. > > > > > > It seems having it be the last thing to take before sleeping is > good, > > > especially for any acid reflux issues. > > > > > > As far as my ratio of water/apple juice, etc. : > > > > > > My feeling is I still want the benefits of many things that have > acidity > > > but I am too acidic overall so I am trying to correct that while not > > > neglecting other nutrients. I just go with whatever concoction seems > > > right at the moment. > > > > > > (my friend who used to own a vitamin store) had told me apple > > > juice helps break down stones, and that most stones are cholesterol > > > and/or calcium. > > > > > > > > > > > Are you concerned about the sodium content? > > > > > > Not too much because : > > > > > > 1) I had quite a bit of baking soda the week prior to when the lab > work > > > I just had done. If the lab results are correct, everything was > normal > > > except that my bad cholesterol went down so much to dr thinks it's a > > > lab anomaly. We will see when I re-test next week. > > > > > > 2) I am finding folks who have taken baking soda for very long > periods > > > of time with nothing but good things to say about it > > > > > > 3) Dr.s prescribe it for certain things anyway > > > > > > 4) I feel so much better on it > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me that one could take additional magnesium and > potassium > > > to > > > > also counteract an acidic diet, something that would naturally > occur > > > on > > > > a paleo diet. > > > > > > > > > > Yes there seems to be a few ways to handle it, and I read studies > > > showing that being too alkaline would be a problem too. It's just > not > > > many people are in this position. Also there was the study that said > > > that : > > > > > > With advancing age, the severity of diet-dependent acidosis > increases > > > independently of diet (3, 4). That occurs because kidney function > > > ordinarily declines substantially with age, resulting in a condition > > > similar to that of chronic renal insufficiency (7). Renal > insufficiency > > > induces metabolic acidosis by reducing conservation of filtered > > > bicarbonate and excretion of acid. > > > > > > http://www.mgwater.com/estend.shtml > <http://www.mgwater.com/estend.shtml> > > > <http://www.mgwater.com/estend.shtml > <http://www.mgwater.com/estend.shtml>> > > > > > > I mean I don't want people to feel I am pushing it on them. For me, > > > within a week of taking it I felt my heart rate and breathing rate > calm > > > to a permanent calm. I felt better on it than off it. It was very > > > obvious. > > > > > > At that point where my heart and breathing rate stayed calm even > without > > > the baking soda immediately in my system, I experimented with > staying > > > off it but found I am doing much better on it. > > > > > > My instinct and interpretation of how I am feeling says I've got > some > > > pretty significant issues with acidity right now. > > > > > > Not everyone may be in that position. But according to what I'm > reading > > > it is common for adults with a western diet to be too acidic, and > for > > > that to get worse with age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Steve - dudescholar4@ > > > > > > > > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at > > > > http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html > > > <http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html> > > > > > > > > " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march > > > > to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 I don't and won't eat soy(I don't need estrogen mimics), avoid starches like potatoes most of the time, and am working to reduce grain consumption including wheat having eliminated most, but not all, consumption of grains including wheat, corn, corn syrup, etc. I'm moving towards a paleo diet. Potassium in the future will come primarily from an increase in veggie consumption although most of my calories are protein and fat. I personally take extra potassium because my heart speeds up if I don't. I get about 1.5 grams from low sodium tomato juice, 1.5 grams from other sources, and 3 grams from supplements, specifically potassium citrate. I most likely will be able to develop my diet into one that gets more potassium. Steve C.G wrote: > > > soya, potatoes, wheat bran, wheat germ = all nice high potassium > > On 30/04/2008, <kekikamiller@... > <mailto:kekikamiller%40>> wrote: > > > > Steve, > > > > It's a bit expensive, but I just noticed a product that has both sodium > > bicarbonate and potassium bicarbonate : > > > > http://www.enzymedica.com/products/pH_Basic?PHPSESSID=ba34c7f4799ea4d826\ > <http://www.enzymedica.com/products/pH_Basic?PHPSESSID=ba34c7f4799ea4d826>> > e515b32aaa8445<http://www.enzymedica.com/products/pH_Basic?PHPSESSID=ba34c7f4799\ ea4d826e515b32aaa8445 > <http://www.enzymedica.com/products/pH_Basic?PHPSESSID=ba34c7f4799ea4d826e515b32\ aaa8445>> > > <http://www.enzymedica.com/products/pH_Basic?PHPSESSID=ba34c7f4799ea4d82\ > <http://www.enzymedica.com/products/pH_Basic?PHPSESSID=ba34c7f4799ea4d82>> > 6e515b32aaa8445<http://www.enzymedica.com/products/pH_Basic?PHPSESSID=ba34c7f479\ 9ea4d826e515b32aaa8445 > <http://www.enzymedica.com/products/pH_Basic?PHPSESSID=ba34c7f4799ea4d826e515b32\ aaa8445>> > > > > > > > If nothing else, it is interesting to note what's in their supplement > > and it's suggested amounts to take for use and therapeutic use. > > > > Also here are some various alkalizing formulas not involving apple juice > > : > > > > http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/alkalizing_formulas.html > <http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/alkalizing_formulas.html> > > <http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/alkalizing_formulas.html > <http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/alkalizing_formulas.html>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What really happened was that the last patents expired on > > prescription > > > > > anti-acids. The fact that antibiotics worked was known for more > > than > > > > 10 > > > > > years before the last patent expired. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well the other version made for a good story at least, lol. > > > > > > > > Baking Soda > > > > > > > > > > How much do y'all take and how do you take it? > > > > > > > > I am doing 1-2 teaspoons of it in a glass with apple juice and/or > > water. > > > > The apple juice does a good job of covering the taste of the baking > > > > soda. > > > > > > > > For me it feels right to take this three times a day. I don't know > > if > > > > everyone would need that frequency or if I will need that much for a > > > > long time. > > > > > > > > One person who has used it baking soda a lot and for a long time > > > > suggests in general about 1/2 of what I am taking right now, but I > > think > > > > I have some catch up to do. > > > > > > > > It seems having it be the last thing to take before sleeping is > > good, > > > > especially for any acid reflux issues. > > > > > > > > As far as my ratio of water/apple juice, etc. : > > > > > > > > My feeling is I still want the benefits of many things that have > > acidity > > > > but I am too acidic overall so I am trying to correct that while not > > > > neglecting other nutrients. I just go with whatever concoction seems > > > > right at the moment. > > > > > > > > (my friend who used to own a vitamin store) had told me apple > > > > juice helps break down stones, and that most stones are cholesterol > > > > and/or calcium. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you concerned about the sodium content? > > > > > > > > Not too much because : > > > > > > > > 1) I had quite a bit of baking soda the week prior to when the lab > > work > > > > I just had done. If the lab results are correct, everything was > > normal > > > > except that my bad cholesterol went down so much to dr thinks it's a > > > > lab anomaly. We will see when I re-test next week. > > > > > > > > 2) I am finding folks who have taken baking soda for very long > > periods > > > > of time with nothing but good things to say about it > > > > > > > > 3) Dr.s prescribe it for certain things anyway > > > > > > > > 4) I feel so much better on it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me that one could take additional magnesium and > > potassium > > > > to > > > > > also counteract an acidic diet, something that would naturally > > occur > > > > on > > > > > a paleo diet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes there seems to be a few ways to handle it, and I read studies > > > > showing that being too alkaline would be a problem too. It's just > > not > > > > many people are in this position. Also there was the study that said > > > > that : > > > > > > > > With advancing age, the severity of diet-dependent acidosis > > increases > > > > independently of diet (3, 4). That occurs because kidney function > > > > ordinarily declines substantially with age, resulting in a condition > > > > similar to that of chronic renal insufficiency (7). Renal > > insufficiency > > > > induces metabolic acidosis by reducing conservation of filtered > > > > bicarbonate and excretion of acid. > > > > > > > > http://www.mgwater.com/estend.shtml > <http://www.mgwater.com/estend.shtml> > > <http://www.mgwater.com/estend.shtml > <http://www.mgwater.com/estend.shtml>> > > > > <http://www.mgwater.com/estend.shtml > <http://www.mgwater.com/estend.shtml> > > <http://www.mgwater.com/estend.shtml > <http://www.mgwater.com/estend.shtml>>> > > > > > > > > I mean I don't want people to feel I am pushing it on them. For me, > > > > within a week of taking it I felt my heart rate and breathing rate > > calm > > > > to a permanent calm. I felt better on it than off it. It was very > > > > obvious. > > > > > > > > At that point where my heart and breathing rate stayed calm even > > without > > > > the baking soda immediately in my system, I experimented with > > staying > > > > off it but found I am doing much better on it. > > > > > > > > My instinct and interpretation of how I am feeling says I've got > > some > > > > pretty significant issues with acidity right now. > > > > > > > > Not everyone may be in that position. But according to what I'm > > reading > > > > it is common for adults with a western diet to be too acidic, and > > for > > > > that to get worse with age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Steve - dudescholar4@ > > > > > > > > > > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at > > > > > http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html > <http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html> > > > > <http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html > <http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html>> > > > > > > > > > > " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march > > > > > to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Interesting product but it's something that I would eliminate immediately as a choice because it doesn't meet my critera of specifying each item including the amount of each item in each capsule. Anything that just says a " blend " , even fro just part of the product, I cannot track how much I'm taking. I also, if I found something I like, can price shop for better prices when I know exactly how much of what to compare per gram from product to product. Steve wrote: > > > Steve, > > It's a bit expensive, but I just noticed a product that has both sodium > bicarbonate and potassium bicarbonate : > > http://www.enzymedica.com/products/pH_Basic?PHPSESSID=ba34c7f4799ea4d826\ > e515b32aaa8445 > <http://www.enzymedica.com/products/pH_Basic?PHPSESSID=ba34c7f4799ea4d826e515b32\ aaa8445> > <http://www.enzymedica.com/products/pH_Basic?PHPSESSID=ba34c7f4799ea4d82\ > 6e515b32aaa8445 > <http://www.enzymedica.com/products/pH_Basic?PHPSESSID=ba34c7f4799ea4d826e515b32\ aaa8445>> > > If nothing else, it is interesting to note what's in their supplement > and it's suggested amounts to take for use and therapeutic use. Now this site was more interesting. I used to squeeze lemons into my water but doing this every day aggravated/created some gout so I stopped. > Also here are some various alkalizing formulas not involving apple juice > : > > http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/alkalizing_formulas.html > <http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/alkalizing_formulas.html> > <http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/alkalizing_formulas.html > <http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/alkalizing_formulas.html>> > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What really happened was that the last patents expired on > prescription > > > > anti-acids. The fact that antibiotics worked was known for more > than > > > 10 > > > > years before the last patent expired. > > > > > > > > > > Well the other version made for a good story at least, lol. > > > > > > Baking Soda > > > > > > > > How much do y'all take and how do you take it? > > > > > > I am doing 1-2 teaspoons of it in a glass with apple juice and/or > water. > > > The apple juice does a good job of covering the taste of the baking > > > soda. > > > > > > For me it feels right to take this three times a day. I don't know > if > > > everyone would need that frequency or if I will need that much for a > > > long time. > > > > > > One person who has used it baking soda a lot and for a long time > > > suggests in general about 1/2 of what I am taking right now, but I > think > > > I have some catch up to do. > > > > > > It seems having it be the last thing to take before sleeping is > good, > > > especially for any acid reflux issues. > > > > > > As far as my ratio of water/apple juice, etc. : > > > > > > My feeling is I still want the benefits of many things that have > acidity > > > but I am too acidic overall so I am trying to correct that while not > > > neglecting other nutrients. I just go with whatever concoction seems > > > right at the moment. > > > > > > (my friend who used to own a vitamin store) had told me apple > > > juice helps break down stones, and that most stones are cholesterol > > > and/or calcium. > > > > > > > > > > > Are you concerned about the sodium content? > > > > > > Not too much because : > > > > > > 1) I had quite a bit of baking soda the week prior to when the lab > work > > > I just had done. If the lab results are correct, everything was > normal > > > except that my bad cholesterol went down so much to dr thinks it's a > > > lab anomaly. We will see when I re-test next week. > > > > > > 2) I am finding folks who have taken baking soda for very long > periods > > > of time with nothing but good things to say about it > > > > > > 3) Dr.s prescribe it for certain things anyway > > > > > > 4) I feel so much better on it > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me that one could take additional magnesium and > potassium > > > to > > > > also counteract an acidic diet, something that would naturally > occur > > > on > > > > a paleo diet. > > > > > > > > > > Yes there seems to be a few ways to handle it, and I read studies > > > showing that being too alkaline would be a problem too. It's just > not > > > many people are in this position. Also there was the study that said > > > that : > > > > > > With advancing age, the severity of diet-dependent acidosis > increases > > > independently of diet (3, 4). That occurs because kidney function > > > ordinarily declines substantially with age, resulting in a condition > > > similar to that of chronic renal insufficiency (7). Renal > insufficiency > > > induces metabolic acidosis by reducing conservation of filtered > > > bicarbonate and excretion of acid. > > > > > > http://www.mgwater.com/estend.shtml > <http://www.mgwater.com/estend.shtml> > <http://www.mgwater.com/estend.shtml <http://www.mgwater.com/estend.shtml>> > > > <http://www.mgwater.com/estend.shtml > <http://www.mgwater.com/estend.shtml> > <http://www.mgwater.com/estend.shtml <http://www.mgwater.com/estend.shtml>>> > > > > > > I mean I don't want people to feel I am pushing it on them. For me, > > > within a week of taking it I felt my heart rate and breathing rate > calm > > > to a permanent calm. I felt better on it than off it. It was very > > > obvious. > > > > > > At that point where my heart and breathing rate stayed calm even > without > > > the baking soda immediately in my system, I experimented with > staying > > > off it but found I am doing much better on it. > > > > > > My instinct and interpretation of how I am feeling says I've got > some > > > pretty significant issues with acidity right now. > > > > > > Not everyone may be in that position. But according to what I'm > reading > > > it is common for adults with a western diet to be too acidic, and > for > > > that to get worse with age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Steve - dudescholar4@ > > > > > > > > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at > > > > http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html > <http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html> > > > <http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html > <http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html>> > > > > > > > > " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march > > > > to truth we must still march on. 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Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 The general recommendation for baking soda is to take 1/2 teaspoon three times per day. Yes, baking soda will deplete certain vitamins and minerals, so you need to compensate by supplementing. My wife and I haven't had any problems taking it. If you take too much, like I did at first to get rid of a non-urination problem, you can get diarrhea. I use it regularly now to prevent any bladder infections. It is excellent for ridding the body of candida albicans (ie, cancer)in the digestive tract. To rid the body of a malignancy in a specific location, say the breasts, a catheter is required to administer the sodium bicarbonate as it must come into direct contact with the fungi, according to Dr. Simoncini. > > Hi folks: > > I seem to have missed the response as to how much baking soda to take > daily internally. I searched but did not see a response so forgive me > if I'm missing it. Does anyone know how much is safe to take > internally? I did a google search and found some negative info about > it being dangerous so not sure what to believe. > thanks > > found this: > > Baking Soda Cures > > Updated: 10/24/2008 > > EARTH CLINIC'S WARNING RE: BAKING SODA > > *** BAKING SODA CAN DEPLETE THE BODY OF ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND > MINERALS, ESPECIALLY B VITAMINS, FOLIC ACID AND CHROMIUM! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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