Baking Soda

[Guest guest]

Just a precaution about baking soda.

I had 's disease, not knowing I had it and I took baking soda

and I almost had a heart attack.

My potassium got so far off that I almost died on the spot.

The Doctor told me to never take baking soda again that it throws all

your important factors off. Sodium and Potassium levels.

I would say to take the Sea salt is a good to take and stay on.

>

> Hi folks:

>

> I seem to have missed the response as to how much baking soda to

take

> daily internally. I searched but did not see a response so forgive

me

> if I'm missing it. Does anyone know how much is safe to take

> internally? I did a google search and found some negative info about

> it being dangerous so not sure what to believe.

> thanks

>

> found this:

>

> Baking Soda Cures

>

> Updated: 10/24/2008

>

> EARTH CLINIC'S WARNING RE: BAKING SODA

>

> *** BAKING SODA CAN DEPLETE THE BODY OF ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND

> MINERALS, ESPECIALLY B VITAMINS, FOLIC ACID AND CHROMIUM!

>

[Guest guest]

Three time a day is the only way for me to stay alkalin and my doc does direct injections into the tumor with the bicarb.

Duke Dallas - Texas

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iodine From: yburkett@...Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:17:18 +0000Subject: Re: Baking soda

The general recommendation for baking soda is to take 1/2 teaspoon three times per day.Yes, baking soda will deplete certain vitamins and minerals, so you need to compensate by supplementing. My wife and I haven't had any problems taking it. If you take too much, like I did at first to get rid of a non-urination problem, you can get diarrhea. I use it regularly now to prevent any bladder infections. It is excellent for ridding the body of candida albicans (ie, cancer)in the digestive tract.To rid the body of a malignancy in a specific location, say the breasts, a catheter is required to administer the sodium bicarbonate as it must come into direct contact with the fungi, according to Dr. Simoncini.>> Hi folks:> > I seem to have missed the response as to how much baking soda to take> daily internally. I searched but did not see a response so forgive me> if I'm missing it. Does anyone know how much is safe to take> internally? I did a google search and found some negative info about> it being dangerous so not sure what to believe.> thanks> > found this:> > Baking Soda Cures> > Updated: 10/24/2008> > EARTH CLINIC'S WARNING RE: BAKING SODA> > *** BAKING SODA CAN DEPLETE THE BODY OF ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND> MINERALS, ESPECIALLY B VITAMINS, FOLIC ACID AND CHROMIUM!> Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. Try it

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I just bought yesterday 6 big jugs of the Ozarka reverse osmosis processed drinking water with calcium, magnesium and baking soda added to it. After seeing this thread, i put those jugs aside. I would have loved to continue taking it so that i could be more alkaline, but since it would throw off vitamins and minerals, i decided to be on the safe side.

Thanks for all those warnings.

[Guest guest]

Don't toss the jugs too quickly. The thing that I have noticed in all

of my research online and talking to people who have tried all the

things that I have researched, is that it appears that everything in

moderation is best. If we didn't take anything that had some kind of

affect on something else we wouldn't take anything. After having cancer

and a heart attack (not in that order) I am determined to not go

through either again. I believe a little oxygenation, alkalination,

exercise, plenty of green food and only meats that are alkaline or

closer to alkaline that the others but all in moderation is the way too

go. I took lipitor for years until my bones and joints feel like they

are going to explode. Study the side effects of statins and you won't

take a single one. Ask a dr. and he or she will tell you there is there

is nothing wrong with statins. We have been taking prescription meds

for years causing tons of problems to our system. If all you have to do

is take twice as much mag and calcium in order to take your jugs of

Ozarka water ino order to become alkaline then maybe it's not so bad.

Some say baking soda is the way to go. Some say Alkaseltzer Gold is the

way to go. I found if I take to much of either they mess with my blood

pressure. So I do a little and not on the same day. I don't think any

of us know how much is too much but then neither do my Doctors with

their prescript writing mania. Good luck in your search. As a matter of

fact good luck to all of us. ph

>

> I just bought yesterday 6 big jugs of the Ozarka reverse osmosis

processed drinking water with calcium, magnesium and baking soda added

to it.  After seeing this thread, i  put those jugs aside.  I would

have loved to continue taking it so that i could be more alkaline, but

since it would throw off vitamins and minerals, i decided to be on the

safe side.

>  

> Thanks for all those warnings.

>  

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> the reason you put baking soda in cows milk is after its been frozen with the

soda, when it thaws it goes back together like fresh...but with goats milk you

dont need to do that because its naturally homogized and it goes back to normal

without the baking soda.

>  

>                    Maxine F. Henthorne 

>   Blessings Beyond Measure To You And Yours!  

>

Hi Maxine,

How much baking soda do you use for cow's milk? I don't freeze my milk because I

hate to lose the cream.

Thanks for the info.

Jackie

[Guest guest]

>

> the reason you put baking soda in cows milk is after its been frozen with the

soda, when it thaws it goes back together like fresh...but with goats milk you

dont need to do that because its naturally homogized and it goes back to normal

without the baking soda.

>  

>                    Maxine F. Henthorne 

>   Blessings Beyond Measure To You And Yours!  

>

Hi Maxine,

How much baking soda do you use for cow's milk? I don't freeze my milk because I

hate to lose the cream.

Thanks for the info.

Jackie

[Guest guest]

Good ideas . Baking soda has a million uses. It is so cheap too. I use it in the bottom of the bird cage, guinea pig cage, to scrub the kitchen sink....

I don't use fluoride so to make things easier I buy Tom's natural toothpaste but I have used baking soda. It does make your teeth squeaky clean.

hugs,

Sue

From: Carlene <carlene.grimshaw>Subject: Re: What Foods are High in Magnesium ? Fish; Greens; Beans; Nuts; Seeds.Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 12:52 AM

Hi - So much pain for one person to go through, I really feelfor you. I'm glad you reminded me about magnesium citrate and calciumcitrate as I did take that for awhile. Even though I do eat a widevariety of foods. But just lately my feet are cramping in the toes area.So I must buy some of the magnesium/calcium product again. Like you, Ido feel gratitude whenever there is improvement.On Christmas day 1984 (big family get-together) I had my first truemigraine. Couldn't turn, bend, or even think straight, and the pain wasexcruciating. I think I had a second lesser migraine a few years later.Thankfully, besides normal headaches I have never experienced any moremigraines. The reason I'm telling you this is because I do know howpainful and dragging-down it can be. But for you to endure 4wksmigraines, and kidney stone pains must have been terrible. I'm sorry youhad to

suffer so. I suppose not getting the flu is the bonus out of itall.I am concerned about you using bleach. I stopped using bleach about 8 -10yrs ago. There is the toxic smell and it is a powerful chemical. Ithink very detrimental to our health...call it a hunch if you like. Ihope you don't have to endure further migraines or unrelenting kidneypain. Take care and you are in my thoughts and prayers.Merry Christmas & Peace to you and your loved ones.Love & hugsCarlene>> I agree with you Carlene, I myself take daily magnesium citrate andcalcuim citrate which using both together usually prevents me fromhaving severe muscle spasms and cramps

in my feet and calves. I stillunfortunately have them in both sides of my rib cages though quiteoften, but at least------------ --------- --------- ------

[Guest guest]

My momma used to have me brush my teeth with baking soda every Sat night so they'd be pretty for church on Sunday : )

Carolina

From: Carlene <carlene.grimshaw>Subject: Re: What Foods are High in Magnesium ? Fish; Greens; Beans; Nuts; Seeds.Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 12:52 AM

Hi - So much pain for one person to go through, I really feelfor you. I'm glad you reminded me about magnesium citrate and calciumcitrate as I did take that for awhile. Even though I do eat a widevariety of foods. But just lately my feet are cramping in the toes area.So I must buy some of the magnesium/calcium product again. Like you, Ido feel gratitude whenever there is improvement.On Christmas day 1984 (big family get-together) I had my first truemigraine. Couldn't turn, bend, or even think straight, and the pain wasexcruciating. I think I had a second lesser migraine a few years later.Thankfully, besides normal headaches I have never experienced any moremigraines. The reason I'm telling you this is because I do know howpainful and dragging-down it can be. But for you to endure 4wksmigraines, and kidney stone pains must have been terrible. I'm sorry youhad to

suffer so. I suppose not getting the flu is the bonus out of itall.I am concerned about you using bleach. I stopped using bleach about 8 -10yrs ago. There is the toxic smell and it is a powerful chemical. Ithink very detrimental to our health...call it a hunch if you like. Ihope you don't have to endure further migraines or unrelenting kidneypain. Take care and you are in my thoughts and prayers.Merry Christmas & Peace to you and your loved ones.Love & hugsCarlene>> I agree with you Carlene, I myself take daily magnesium citrate andcalcuim citrate which using both together usually prevents me fromhaving severe muscle spasms and cramps

in my feet and calves. I stillunfortunately have them in both sides of my rib cages though quiteoften, but at least------------ --------- --------- ------

[Guest guest]

I use either a mixture of bkg soda and peroxide but slight amount just to make a paste, however since I've been so sick I've been using Tom's as well. /FLSent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeedFrom: Gaduyon <noerzmom@...>Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:23:30 -0800 (PST)< >Subject: Re: Re: baking soda My momma used to have me brush my teeth with baking soda every Sat night so they'd be pretty for church on Sunday : ) Carolina From: Carlene <carlene.grimshaw>Subject: Re: What Foods are High in Magnesium ? Fish; Greens; Beans; Nuts; Seeds.Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 12:52 AMHi - So much pain for one person to go through, I really feelfor you. I'm glad you reminded me about magnesium citrate and calciumcitrate as I did take that for awhile. Even though I do eat a widevariety of foods. But just lately my feet are cramping in the toes area.So I must buy some of the magnesium/calcium product again. Like you, Ido feel gratitude whenever there is improvement.On Christmas day 1984 (big family get-together) I had my first truemigraine. Couldn't turn, bend, or even think straight, and the pain wasexcruciating. I think I had a second lesser migraine a few years later.Thankfully, besides normal headaches I have never experienced any moremigraines. The reason I'm telling you this is because I do know howpainful and dragging-down it can be. But for you to endure 4wksmigraines, and kidney stone pains must have been terrible. I'm sorry youhad tosuffer so. I suppose not getting the flu is the bonus out of itall.I am concerned about you using bleach. I stopped using bleach about 8 -10yrs ago. There is the toxic smell and it is a powerful chemical. Ithink very detrimental to our health...call it a hunch if you like. Ihope you don't have to endure further migraines or unrelenting kidneypain. Take care and you are in my thoughts and prayers.Merry Christmas & Peace to you and your loved ones.Love & hugsCarlene>> I agree with you Carlene, I myself take daily magnesium citrate andcalcuim citrate which using both together usually prevents me fromhaving severe muscle spasms and crampsin my feet and calves. I stillunfortunately have them in both sides of my rib cages though quiteoften, but at least------------ --------- --------- ------

[Guest guest]

I'm jealous , just kidding, but I did use to have a pet himaylian abisinian guinea pig, had long white coat, with pink eyes. As a child coming home from school, it would always know it was me coming in the door, it also could tell even from clear down the hallway into another room, that I was getting it some lettuce from our refridgerator to give to him to eat, and it would let out a piercing high pitched squeak, so cute, it would get so exicited and wiggle it's rear end up in the air in delight whenever given a treat or during bath time. I became allergic to it, it affected my breathing, so I had to give it to my best friend. Guess what, her mother found out she as well was allergic to it, so they had to give it away to someone. So therefore I was very

disappointed and upset over this, because now I would never see my guinea pig ever again. At least we gave to my best girlfriend it's homemade huge cage that me and my Dad built for it together. So my guinea pig had a nice big space to run around in, hopefully it was loved and taken good care of up until it's departure from earth. So I can see that you as well love pets in your life and family. Take Care. journeyintolife

From: Carlene <carlene.grimshaw>Subject: Re: What Foods are High in Magnesium ? Fish; Greens; Beans; Nuts; Seeds.Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 12:52 AM

Hi - So much pain for one person to go through, I really feelfor you. I'm glad you reminded me about magnesium citrate and calciumcitrate as I did take that for awhile. Even though I do eat a widevariety of foods. But just lately my feet are cramping in the toes area.So I must buy some of the magnesium/calcium product again. Like you, Ido feel gratitude whenever there is improvement.On Christmas day 1984 (big family get-together) I had my first truemigraine. Couldn't turn, bend, or even think straight, and the pain wasexcruciating. I think I had a second lesser migraine a few years later.Thankfully, besides normal headaches I have never experienced any moremigraines. The reason I'm telling you this is because I do know howpainful and dragging-down it can be. But for you to endure 4wksmigraines, and kidney stone pains must have been terrible. I'm sorry youhad to

suffer so. I suppose not getting the flu is the bonus out of itall.I am concerned about you using bleach. I stopped using bleach about 8 -10yrs ago. There is the toxic smell and it is a powerful chemical. Ithink very detrimental to our health...call it a hunch if you like. Ihope you don't have to endure further migraines or unrelenting kidneypain. Take care and you are in my thoughts and prayers.Merry Christmas & Peace to you and your loved ones.Love & hugsCarlene>> I agree with you Carlene, I myself take daily magnesium citrate andcalcuim citrate which using both together usually prevents me fromhaving severe muscle spasms and cramps

in my feet and calves. I stillunfortunately have them in both sides of my rib cages though quiteoften, but at least------------ --------- --------- ------

[Guest guest]

Baking soda is still working for most of my body as far as the crawling

and biting go, but for the first time both arms are covered with

bite-size lesions (up to 1/4 " each).

I resumed 2x daily doses of seabuckthorn berry oil (2/3 dropper each

time) and the lesions are fading. Also, neither the baking soda nor the

Arm and Hammer laundry detergent are killing the things in my scalp.

Also, as a result of (apparently) more critters in my scalp, I'm also

having more fallout from my head, including more crawling on my face,

brows, etc.

I may have to go back to daily lice combing. Ugh. Thought I could

(happily) let that go.

katie

>

> Hi all

>

> The baking soda has me worried some. The store bought stuff is cheaper

and it has that alunimum sulphate or what ever it is in it. I want to

switch over to cream of Tarter. Going to check my health food store for

it in bulk to try and get it cheaper.

>

> I decided last night and this morn not to use the baking soda. Guess

what. Less stinging. But way more crawling. At first the skin was almost

quiet. My hubby took me out on a date. I left the house with one in my

right ear. Tiny one. A semi biter on the bottom of my right foot. Than I

don't recall feeling anything else. I used my sea salt and the new hope

soap twice. Let it dry on each time. Rinsed off the first session after

5 min. Than left on the secound session. By 1 pm. 1 light movement in

the hair. By 3 pm. slight pinching on the shoulders and arms and

crawlers in the pubic area. Biter on bottom of both feet. Now 9 pm. and

crawling on my palms, bottoms of my feet, my cheeks, and also feel

tickles of things crawling on the ends of my hair. Some slight pinch

biters on my front thighs. So now I am going to go do my shower routine

and do my Baking powder. Than my sea salt, Than my New hope soap 2 and

than get out and put on body balm. I am very disapointed.

>

> Now for fun. We took a 1/2 hour drive and went to a huge place called

The Bass Shop. Oh was I in heaven. Really needed this to lift my

spirits. Being stuck in the house all week made me bother everyone here

like mad. This forum feels like a relief zone. Sorry everyone. Well this

store had lots of woods and animals replicas and antlers. You even got

to walk through a giant tree as if you were in the red wood forest. I

quickly shot by all the clothes and quickly found my target. Fishing. Oh

if I could only be uncrippled enough to go fishing. That would be

heaven. My patient husband whom is not a fishing fan patiently went down

every isle in that part of the department. I studied every pole and reel

and bait, and tackle and gadgets that did things I never seen before. I

even fallowed a small group of men around to listen to them talk to see

what they said about the poles they were looking at. I am short so they

did not seem to notice me lingering near by. At one point my husband

asked me I was doing kinda skipping around a bit like that. I told them

I had to see what they said. Kinda got the vib they knew what the poles

did and how to use them for what types of fishing. Ohhhh. Sweet heaven.

Finally after and hour or so of that we looked at the giant aquarium

with giant fish and I lucked out and a big fish came right at me to the

glass and made a huge open mouth. It was so cooolllll...

>

> Next the elevator with a glass wall so you could see the andriodic

type style floor plan from a veiw. Top floor. Weapons. Drool. They had

lazar tag target practice. Boy my eyes are bad. Had a hard time seeing

the target reflectors I was aiming for that made cute things happen.

Also my arms shook some after holding the gun up. Than we looked at gun

safes, rifles and hand guns. Maybe go try some of them out some day. A

safe place to play. On the way out I finally did take notice of the

clothes a little. I am not very girlie for a girl. Did see some clothes

that looked comfortable but knew better than to take a closer look.

Probably says " Is Your Wallet Full? " lol. Well its been awhile sense I

shot anything. Once apon a time I could shoot a 22 with one hand and

holding a flash light in the other and hit my target in the dark. Nada

anymore. I would probably shoot my eye out. lol.

>

> We polished it all off with a shared burgar and onions rings from Red

Robin. Yum. Love Red Robin.

>

> Got my herbal healer package today. Tomarrow will start on the third

part of the 3 parts plan. I will continue part of the 2 part for two

more months and the third part also a full three months. But with it

next month I will be doing the Pau de' Arco. Glad all this info was

given to me in stages. I would have been scared of and to exhausted to

try something so extensive and missed out on the benifits I have been

getting. This morning I woke up with no feeling of bugs on me. For an

hour after I got up I did not feel anything. They were quiet untill that

Collidal Silver made them struggle. Than I count about three and got

into the shower.

>

> Whats really weird. The skin feels like it is moving whare my pants

are touching my legs. Either the pant legs are slowly riding up or there

is movement in the material or on my skin. I am guessing its my skin.

The shin area. That is whare I turn red alot and use to get horrible

swelling all the time.

>

> Got one more important thing to share. When a poster talked about the

air bubbles. Well I never knew. When I would put anything on. Like the

baking soda, sea salt, shaving cream, New Hope Soap, Dr. Bronners

pepperment shampoo makes this happen big time. I get blurps of bubbles

from under the arms and private area. Than two days ago I was in the

shower and I put on my shave cream on my legs and as I started to shave

a leg. Little pockets formed. As if they were air holes. Really weird.

Than it did it on the other leg when I lathered it up.

>

> Well tonight I will probably dream about fishing. I hate dreaming

about fishing. I get fishing nightmares at least twice a year on

adverage. My most odd fishing nightmare is. I use to climb down all

sorts of boulder to get to a favorite place in the river years ago in

real life. I would dream of a river with boulders on both side as far as

I could see. The water would be running to fast and that gave me some

trouble. Than military men would start their way down the rock across

the water and I would try to munuver my lines and spinner around their

movment. They would be shooting and yelling and scaring the fish and

bombs would go off. I would wake up so mad that they had to start a

battle right whare I was fishing. lol.

>

> In Light Lynn

>

[Guest guest]

Torpedo,Stop pls.I think You are taking baking powder and not baking soda(baking

powder contains aluminum)...not positive but think it could be so...this may

account for the irritation...Love,and hugs,Rose R ps I think maybe you are a

cupcake or a angel food cake lol

--- kajay109@... wrote:

From: " katiejill109 " <kajay109@...>

bird mites

Subject: Re: Baking Soda

Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:57:40 -0000

Baking soda is still working for most of my body as far as the crawling

and biting go, but for the first time both arms are covered with

bite-size lesions (up to 1/4 " each).

I resumed 2x daily doses of seabuckthorn berry oil (2/3 dropper each

time) and the lesions are fading. Also, neither the baking soda nor the

Arm and Hammer laundry detergent are killing the things in my scalp.

Also, as a result of (apparently) more critters in my scalp, I'm also

having more fallout from my head, including more crawling on my face,

brows, etc.

I may have to go back to daily lice combing. Ugh. Thought I could

(happily) let that go.

katie

>

> Hi all

>

> The baking soda has me worried some. The store bought stuff is cheaper

and it has that alunimum sulphate or what ever it is in it. I want to

switch over to cream of Tarter. Going to check my health food store for

it in bulk to try and get it cheaper.

>

> I decided last night and this morn not to use the baking soda. Guess

what. Less stinging. But way more crawling. At first the skin was almost

quiet. My hubby took me out on a date. I left the house with one in my

right ear. Tiny one. A semi biter on the bottom of my right foot. Than I

don't recall feeling anything else. I used my sea salt and the new hope

soap twice. Let it dry on each time. Rinsed off the first session after

5 min. Than left on the secound session. By 1 pm. 1 light movement in

the hair. By 3 pm. slight pinching on the shoulders and arms and

crawlers in the pubic area. Biter on bottom of both feet. Now 9 pm. and

crawling on my palms, bottoms of my feet, my cheeks, and also feel

tickles of things crawling on the ends of my hair. Some slight pinch

biters on my front thighs. So now I am going to go do my shower routine

and do my Baking powder. Than my sea salt, Than my New hope soap 2 and

than get out and put on body balm. I am very disapointed.

>

> Now for fun. We took a 1/2 hour drive and went to a huge place called

The Bass Shop. Oh was I in heaven. Really needed this to lift my

spirits. Being stuck in the house all week made me bother everyone here

like mad. This forum feels like a relief zone. Sorry everyone. Well this

store had lots of woods and animals replicas and antlers. You even got

to walk through a giant tree as if you were in the red wood forest. I

quickly shot by all the clothes and quickly found my target. Fishing. Oh

if I could only be uncrippled enough to go fishing. That would be

heaven. My patient husband whom is not a fishing fan patiently went down

every isle in that part of the department. I studied every pole and reel

and bait, and tackle and gadgets that did things I never seen before. I

even fallowed a small group of men around to listen to them talk to see

what they said about the poles they were looking at. I am short so they

did not seem to notice me lingering near by. At one point my husband

asked me I was doing kinda skipping around a bit like that. I told them

I had to see what they said. Kinda got the vib they knew what the poles

did and how to use them for what types of fishing. Ohhhh. Sweet heaven.

Finally after and hour or so of that we looked at the giant aquarium

with giant fish and I lucked out and a big fish came right at me to the

glass and made a huge open mouth. It was so cooolllll...

>

> Next the elevator with a glass wall so you could see the andriodic

type style floor plan from a veiw. Top floor. Weapons. Drool. They had

lazar tag target practice. Boy my eyes are bad. Had a hard time seeing

the target reflectors I was aiming for that made cute things happen.

Also my arms shook some after holding the gun up. Than we looked at gun

safes, rifles and hand guns. Maybe go try some of them out some day. A

safe place to play. On the way out I finally did take notice of the

clothes a little. I am not very girlie for a girl. Did see some clothes

that looked comfortable but knew better than to take a closer look.

Probably says " Is Your Wallet Full? " lol. Well its been awhile sense I

shot anything. Once apon a time I could shoot a 22 with one hand and

holding a flash light in the other and hit my target in the dark. Nada

anymore. I would probably shoot my eye out. lol.

>

> We polished it all off with a shared burgar and onions rings from Red

Robin. Yum. Love Red Robin.

>

> Got my herbal healer package today. Tomarrow will start on the third

part of the 3 parts plan. I will continue part of the 2 part for two

more months and the third part also a full three months. But with it

next month I will be doing the Pau de' Arco. Glad all this info was

given to me in stages. I would have been scared of and to exhausted to

try something so extensive and missed out on the benifits I have been

getting. This morning I woke up with no feeling of bugs on me. For an

hour after I got up I did not feel anything. They were quiet untill that

Collidal Silver made them struggle. Than I count about three and got

into the shower.

>

> Whats really weird. The skin feels like it is moving whare my pants

are touching my legs. Either the pant legs are slowly riding up or there

is movement in the material or on my skin. I am guessing its my skin.

The shin area. That is whare I turn red alot and use to get horrible

swelling all the time.

>

> Got one more important thing to share. When a poster talked about the

air bubbles. Well I never knew. When I would put anything on. Like the

baking soda, sea salt, shaving cream, New Hope Soap, Dr. Bronners

pepperment shampoo makes this happen big time. I get blurps of bubbles

from under the arms and private area. Than two days ago I was in the

shower and I put on my shave cream on my legs and as I started to shave

a leg. Little pockets formed. As if they were air holes. Really weird.

Than it did it on the other leg when I lathered it up.

>

> Well tonight I will probably dream about fishing. I hate dreaming

about fishing. I get fishing nightmares at least twice a year on

adverage. My most odd fishing nightmare is. I use to climb down all

sorts of boulder to get to a favorite place in the river years ago in

real life. I would dream of a river with boulders on both side as far as

I could see. The water would be running to fast and that gave me some

trouble. Than military men would start their way down the rock across

the water and I would try to munuver my lines and spinner around their

movment. They would be shooting and yelling and scaring the fish and

bombs would go off. I would wake up so mad that they had to start a

battle right whare I was fishing. lol.

>

> In Light Lynn

>

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

Can someone please tell me how they use the baking soda. Do you just put some baking soda in a bowl & mix with a little bit of water & rub it on your skin & then rinse it off? How do you use this stuff?

Thanks,

From: katiejill109 <kajay109@...>Subject: Re: Baking Sodabird mites Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 12:53 PM

Baking soda is still working for most of my body as far as the SYMPTOMSgo, but with the pink oil I almost never had the lesions and I got smallones all over my left arm on Friday and many on my right arm as well. Istarted back on 2x daily doses of seabuckthorn berry oil (2/3 droppereach time) and they are going away. Also, neither the baking nor laundrysoda (Arm and Hammer) are killing the things in my scalp. I may have togo back to daily lice combing.katie>> Hi all>> The baking soda has me worried some. The store bought stuff is cheaperand it has that alunimum sulphate or what ever it is in it. I want toswitch over to cream of

Tarter. Going to check my health food store forit in bulk to try and get it cheaper.>> I decided last night and this morn not to use the baking soda. Guesswhat. Less stinging. But way more crawling. At first the skin was almostquiet. My hubby took me out on a date. I left the house with one in myright ear. Tiny one. A semi biter on the bottom of my right foot. Than Idon't recall feeling anything else. I used my sea salt and the new hopesoap twice. Let it dry on each time. Rinsed off the first session after5 min. Than left on the secound session. By 1 pm. 1 light movement inthe hair. By 3 pm. slight pinching on the shoulders and arms andcrawlers in the pubic area. Biter on bottom of both feet. Now 9 pm. andcrawling on my palms, bottoms of my feet, my cheeks, and also feeltickles of things crawling on the ends of my hair. Some slight pinchbiters on my front thighs. So now I am going to go do my

shower routineand do my Baking powder. Than my sea salt, Than my New hope soap 2 andthan get out and put on body balm. I am very disapointed.>> Now for fun. We took a 1/2 hour drive and went to a huge place calledThe Bass Shop. Oh was I in heaven. Really needed this to lift myspirits. Being stuck in the house all week made me bother everyone herelike mad. This forum feels like a relief zone. Sorry everyone. Well thisstore had lots of woods and animals replicas and antlers. You even gotto walk through a giant tree as if you were in the red wood forest. Iquickly shot by all the clothes and quickly found my target. Fishing. Ohif I could only be uncrippled enough to go fishing. That would beheaven. My patient husband whom is not a fishing fan patiently went downevery isle in that part of the department. I studied every pole and reeland bait, and tackle and gadgets that did things I never seen

before. Ieven fallowed a small group of men around to listen to them talk to seewhat they said about the poles they were looking at. I am short so theydid not seem to notice me lingering near by. At one point my husbandasked me I was doing kinda skipping around a bit like that. I told themI had to see what they said. Kinda got the vib they knew what the polesdid and how to use them for what types of fishing. Ohhhh. Sweet heaven.Finally after and hour or so of that we looked at the giant aquariumwith giant fish and I lucked out and a big fish came right at me to theglass and made a huge open mouth. It was so cooolllll...>> Next the elevator with a glass wall so you could see the andriodictype style floor plan from a veiw. Top floor. Weapons. Drool. They hadlazar tag target practice. Boy my eyes are bad. Had a hard time seeingthe target reflectors I was aiming for that made cute things

happen.Also my arms shook some after holding the gun up. Than we looked at gunsafes, rifles and hand guns. Maybe go try some of them out some day. Asafe place to play. On the way out I finally did take notice of theclothes a little. I am not very girlie for a girl. Did see some clothesthat looked comfortable but knew better than to take a closer look.Probably says "Is Your Wallet Full?" lol. Well its been awhile sense Ishot anything. Once apon a time I could shoot a 22 with one hand andholding a flash light in the other and hit my target in the dark. Nadaanymore. I would probably shoot my eye out. lol.>> We polished it all off with a shared burgar and onions rings from RedRobin. Yum. Love Red Robin.>> Got my herbal healer package today. Tomarrow will start on the thirdpart of the 3 parts plan. I will continue part of the 2 part for twomore months and the third part also a full

three months. But with itnext month I will be doing the Pau de' Arco. Glad all this info wasgiven to me in stages. I would have been scared of and to exhausted totry something so extensive and missed out on the benifits I have beengetting. This morning I woke up with no feeling of bugs on me. For anhour after I got up I did not feel anything. They were quiet untill thatCollidal Silver made them struggle. Than I count about three and gotinto the shower.>> Whats really weird. The skin feels like it is moving whare my pantsare touching my legs. Either the pant legs are slowly riding up or thereis movement in the material or on my skin. I am guessing its my skin.The shin area. That is whare I turn red alot and use to get horribleswelling all the time.>> Got one more important thing to share. When a poster talked about theair bubbles. Well I never knew. When I would put anything on.

Like thebaking soda, sea salt, shaving cream, New Hope Soap, Dr. Bronnerspepperment shampoo makes this happen big time. I get blurps of bubblesfrom under the arms and private area. Than two days ago I was in theshower and I put on my shave cream on my legs and as I started to shavea leg. Little pockets formed. As if they were air holes. Really weird.Than it did it on the other leg when I lathered it up.>> Well tonight I will probably dream about fishing. I hate dreamingabout fishing. I get fishing nightmares at least twice a year onadverage. My most odd fishing nightmare is. I use to climb down allsorts of boulder to get to a favorite place in the river years ago inreal life. I would dream of a river with boulders on both side as far asI could see. The water would be running to fast and that gave me sometrouble. Than military men would start their way down the rock acrossthe water and I

would try to munuver my lines and spinner around theirmovment. They would be shooting and yelling and scaring the fish andbombs would go off. I would wake up so mad that they had to start abattle right whare I was fishing. lol.>> In Light Lynn>

[Guest guest]

Hi

I use 1 teasp baking soda & 1 cup of water & dump it over my head & coat my

whole body & leave it to dry. , it is awesome. It feels like there are no bugs

1 hr later.

I put it in my shoes & it kills them , it is caustic. I put in 1/2 inch of

baking soda in my boots one day & it disollved my callouses , I put a thick

paste on my back & layed in a puddle of baking soda for 30 min it gave me a

bright red sunburn , I rinsed it off & all the pain dissapeared in 20 mins ,

but when I looked a my back I could see all the bumps they were living in, it

made them visaible . I then began soakind daily in a borax , I put a puddle of

1/4 cup borax per gal of water with a damp towel on my deflated air matress ,

it has killed 90 pecent of the bugs on my back , in 60 days of this soaking 2

times per day all should be soaked out & poisoned ..I hope. It worked for my

feet I soaked my feet in 2 tbls borax & 2 cups of water for 30 mins per day 2

times daily for 60 days in a pair of rubber boots , my feet are bugless. They

did not come back. I wear cowboy boots always to protect my feet . I bleach the

boots w/ 2 cups bleach & 3

gal of water for 12 hrs weekly. They can take it because they are Dickes El

Paso boots from Miejors or any shoe store, or on line $60.00 They last for 6

months of this bug abuse I am forced to do. It dosnt hurt them , they alway look

like new & my feet never get bit unless I take my boots off. I lost a ddate last

week when she asked me to take my boots of before I walk in to her house with 2

cats ... yikes ...!

I should of said I have terrible poison ivy on my feet from a vacation , & it

is best for them to be left in the boots. I am so slow & stupid, I said I never

take my boots off. What a moron I am . she thought I was being rude .The date

was over ... More bug abuse ... its really hard.

I am stopping the bug very well with arm & hammer powdered laundry soap 1 cup

per gallon of water in a sprayer & 1 teasp per cup of water on my skin & left

on

God bless you ,

Bye ,

Bill

Reyes wrote:

>  

> Hi All,

> Can someone please tell me how they use the baking soda. Do you just put some

baking soda in a bowl & mix with a little bit of water & rub it on your skin &

then rinse it off? How do you use this stuff?

>  

> Thanks,

>

> From: katiejill109 <kajay109 (DOT) com> Subject: Re: Baking

Soda bird mites Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 12:53 PM

>  

> Baking soda is still working for most of my body as far as the SYMPTOMS go,

but with the pink oil I almost never had the lesions and I got small ones all

over my left arm on Friday and many on my right arm as well. I started back on

2x daily doses of seabuckthorn berry oil (2/3 dropper each time) and they are

going away. Also, neither the baking nor laundry soda (Arm and Hammer) are

killing the things in my scalp. I may have to go back to daily lice combing.

katie >

> Hi all > > The baking soda has me worried some. The store bought stuff is

cheaper and it has that alunimum sulphate or what ever it is in it. I want to

switch over to cream of

> Tarter. Going to check my health food store for it in bulk to try and get it

cheaper. > > I decided last night and this morn not to use the baking soda.

Guess what. Less stinging. But way more crawling. At first the skin was almost

quiet. My hubby took me out on a date. I left the house with one in my right

ear. Tiny one. A semi biter on the bottom of my right foot. Than I don't recall

feeling anything else. I used my sea salt and the new hope soap twice. Let it

dry on each time. Rinsed off the first session after 5 min. Than left on the

secound session. By 1 pm. 1 light movement in the hair. By 3 pm. slight pinching

on the shoulders and arms and crawlers in the pubic area. Biter on bottom of

both feet. Now 9 pm. and crawling on my palms, bottoms of my feet, my cheeks,

and also feel tickles of things crawling on the ends of my hair. Some slight

pinch biters on my front thighs. So now I am going to go do my

> shower routine and do my Baking powder. Than my sea salt, Than my New hope

soap 2 and than get out and put on body balm. I am very disapointed. > > Now for

fun. We took a 1/2 hour drive and went to a huge place called The Bass Shop. Oh

was I in heaven. Really needed this to lift my spirits. Being stuck in the house

all week made me bother everyone here like mad. This forum feels like a relief

zone. Sorry everyone. Well this store had lots of woods and animals replicas and

antlers. You even got to walk through a giant tree as if you were in the red

wood forest. I quickly shot by all the clothes and quickly found my target.

Fishing. Oh if I could only be uncrippled enough to go fishing. That would be

heaven. My patient husband whom is not a fishing fan patiently went down every

isle in that part of the department. I studied every pole and reel and bait, and

tackle and gadgets that did things I never seen

> before. I even fallowed a small group of men around to listen to them talk to

see what they said about the poles they were looking at. I am short so they did

not seem to notice me lingering near by. At one point my husband asked me I was

doing kinda skipping around a bit like that. I told them I had to see what they

said. Kinda got the vib they knew what the poles did and how to use them for

what types of fishing. Ohhhh. Sweet heaven. Finally after and hour or so of that

we looked at the giant aquarium with giant fish and I lucked out and a big fish

came right at me to the glass and made a huge open mouth. It was so cooolllll...

> > Next the elevator with a glass wall so you could see the andriodic type

style floor plan from a veiw. Top floor. Weapons. Drool. They had lazar tag

target practice. Boy my eyes are bad. Had a hard time seeing the target

reflectors I was aiming for that made cute things

> happen. Also my arms shook some after holding the gun up. Than we looked at

gun safes, rifles and hand guns. Maybe go try some of them out some day. A safe

place to play. On the way out I finally did take notice of the clothes a little.

I am not very girlie for a girl. Did see some clothes that looked comfortable

but knew better than to take a closer look. Probably says " Is Your Wallet Full? "

lol. Well its been awhile sense I shot anything. Once apon a time I could shoot

a 22 with one hand and holding a flash light in the other and hit my target in

the dark. Nada anymore. I would probably shoot my eye out. lol. > > We polished

it all off with a shared burgar and onions rings from Red Robin. Yum. Love Red

Robin. > > Got my herbal healer package today. Tomarrow will start on the third

part of the 3 parts plan. I will continue part of the 2 part for two more months

and the third part also a full

> three months. But with it next month I will be doing the Pau de' Arco. Glad

all this info was given to me in stages. I would have been scared of and to

exhausted to try something so extensive and missed out on the benifits I have

been getting. This morning I woke up with no feeling of bugs on me. For an hour

after I got up I did not feel anything. They were quiet untill that Collidal

Silver made them struggle. Than I count about three and got into the shower. > >

Whats really weird. The skin feels like it is moving whare my pants are touching

my legs. Either the pant legs are slowly riding up or there is movement in the

material or on my skin. I am guessing its my skin. The shin area. That is whare

I turn red alot and use to get horrible swelling all the time. > > Got one more

important thing to share. When a poster talked about the air bubbles. Well I

never knew. When I would put anything on.

> Like the baking soda, sea salt, shaving cream, New Hope Soap, Dr. Bronners

pepperment shampoo makes this happen big time. I get blurps of bubbles from

under the arms and private area. Than two days ago I was in the shower and I put

on my shave cream on my legs and as I started to shave a leg. Little pockets

formed. As if they were air holes. Really weird. Than it did it on the other leg

when I lathered it up. > > Well tonight I will probably dream about fishing. I

hate dreaming about fishing. I get fishing nightmares at least twice a year on

adverage. My most odd fishing nightmare is. I use to climb down all sorts of

boulder to get to a favorite place in the river years ago in real life. I would

dream of a river with boulders on both side as far as I could see. The water

would be running to fast and that gave me some trouble. Than military men would

start their way down the rock across the water and I

> would try to munuver my lines and spinner around their movment. They would be

shooting and yelling and scaring the fish and bombs would go off. I would wake

up so mad that they had to start a battle right whare I was fishing. lol. > > In

Light Lynn >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynn,

Are you confusing baking powder and baking soda? I've never seen baking soda

with any other ingredients than sodium bicarbonate.

Baking powder can contain aluminum.

Just a question for clarity.

Wishing you the best,

Rose N.

>

> Hi all

>

> The baking soda has me worried some. The store bought stuff is cheaper and it

has that alunimum sulphate or what ever it is in it. I want to switch over to

cream of Tarter. Going to check my health food store for it in bulk to try and

get it cheaper.

>

> I decided last night and this morn not to use the baking soda. Guess what.

Less stinging. But way more crawling. At first the skin was almost quiet. My

hubby took me out on a date. I left the house with one in my right ear. Tiny

one. A semi biter on the bottom of my right foot. Than I don't recall feeling

anything else. I used my sea salt and the new hope soap twice. Let it dry on

each time. Rinsed off the first session after 5 min. Than left on the secound

session. By 1 pm. 1 light movement in the hair. By 3 pm. slight pinching on the

shoulders and arms and crawlers in the pubic area. Biter on bottom of both feet.

Now 9 pm. and crawling on my palms, bottoms of my feet, my cheeks, and also feel

tickles of things crawling on the ends of my hair. Some slight pinch biters on

my front thighs. So now I am going to go do my shower routine and do my Baking

powder. Than my sea salt, Than my New hope soap 2 and than get out and put on

body balm. I am very disapointed.

>

> Now for fun. We took a 1/2 hour drive and went to a huge place called The Bass

Shop. Oh was I in heaven. Really needed this to lift my spirits. Being stuck in

the house all week made me bother everyone here like mad. This forum feels like

a relief zone. Sorry everyone. Well this store had lots of woods and animals

replicas and antlers. You even got to walk through a giant tree as if you were

in the red wood forest. I quickly shot by all the clothes and quickly found my

target. Fishing. Oh if I could only be uncrippled enough to go fishing. That

would be heaven. My patient husband whom is not a fishing fan patiently went

down every isle in that part of the department. I studied every pole and reel

and bait, and tackle and gadgets that did things I never seen before. I even

fallowed a small group of men around to listen to them talk to see what they

said about the poles they were looking at. I am short so they did not seem to

notice me lingering near by. At one point my husband asked me I was doing kinda

skipping around a bit like that. I told them I had to see what they said. Kinda

got the vib they knew what the poles did and how to use them for what types of

fishing. Ohhhh. Sweet heaven. Finally after and hour or so of that we looked at

the giant aquarium with giant fish and I lucked out and a big fish came right at

me to the glass and made a huge open mouth. It was so cooolllll...

>

> Next the elevator with a glass wall so you could see the andriodic type style

floor plan from a veiw. Top floor. Weapons. Drool. They had lazar tag target

practice. Boy my eyes are bad. Had a hard time seeing the target reflectors I

was aiming for that made cute things happen. Also my arms shook some after

holding the gun up. Than we looked at gun safes, rifles and hand guns. Maybe go

try some of them out some day. A safe place to play. On the way out I finally

did take notice of the clothes a little. I am not very girlie for a girl. Did

see some clothes that looked comfortable but knew better than to take a closer

look. Probably says " Is Your Wallet Full? " lol. Well its been awhile sense I

shot anything. Once apon a time I could shoot a 22 with one hand and holding a

flash light in the other and hit my target in the dark. Nada anymore. I would

probably shoot my eye out. lol.

>

> We polished it all off with a shared burgar and onions rings from Red Robin.

Yum. Love Red Robin.

>

> Got my herbal healer package today. Tomarrow will start on the third part of

the 3 parts plan. I will continue part of the 2 part for two more months and the

third part also a full three months. But with it next month I will be doing the

Pau de' Arco. Glad all this info was given to me in stages. I would have been

scared of and to exhausted to try something so extensive and missed out on the

benifits I have been getting. This morning I woke up with no feeling of bugs on

me. For an hour after I got up I did not feel anything. They were quiet untill

that Collidal Silver made them struggle. Than I count about three and got into

the shower.

>

> Whats really weird. The skin feels like it is moving whare my pants are

touching my legs. Either the pant legs are slowly riding up or there is movement

in the material or on my skin. I am guessing its my skin. The shin area. That is

whare I turn red alot and use to get horrible swelling all the time.

>

> Got one more important thing to share. When a poster talked about the air

bubbles. Well I never knew. When I would put anything on. Like the baking soda,

sea salt, shaving cream, New Hope Soap, Dr. Bronners pepperment shampoo makes

this happen big time. I get blurps of bubbles from under the arms and private

area. Than two days ago I was in the shower and I put on my shave cream on my

legs and as I started to shave a leg. Little pockets formed. As if they were air

holes. Really weird. Than it did it on the other leg when I lathered it up.

>

> Well tonight I will probably dream about fishing. I hate dreaming about

fishing. I get fishing nightmares at least twice a year on adverage. My most odd

fishing nightmare is. I use to climb down all sorts of boulder to get to a

favorite place in the river years ago in real life. I would dream of a river

with boulders on both side as far as I could see. The water would be running to

fast and that gave me some trouble. Than military men would start their way down

the rock across the water and I would try to munuver my lines and spinner around

their movment. They would be shooting and yelling and scaring the fish and bombs

would go off. I would wake up so mad that they had to start a battle right whare

I was fishing. lol.

>

> In Light Lynn

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry Lynn, I read further and see you have clarified for yourself.

All the Best,

R.

> >

> > Hi all

> >

> > The baking soda has me worried some. The store bought stuff is cheaper and

it has that alunimum sulphate or what ever it is in it. I want to switch over to

cream of Tarter. Going to check my health food store for it in bulk to try and

get it cheaper.

> >

> > I decided last night and this morn not to use the baking soda. Guess what.

Less stinging. But way more crawling. At first the skin was almost quiet. My

hubby took me out on a date. I left the house with one in my right ear. Tiny

one. A semi biter on the bottom of my right foot. Than I don't recall feeling

anything else. I used my sea salt and the new hope soap twice. Let it dry on

each time. Rinsed off the first session after 5 min. Than left on the secound

session. By 1 pm. 1 light movement in the hair. By 3 pm. slight pinching on the

shoulders and arms and crawlers in the pubic area. Biter on bottom of both feet.

Now 9 pm. and crawling on my palms, bottoms of my feet, my cheeks, and also feel

tickles of things crawling on the ends of my hair. Some slight pinch biters on

my front thighs. So now I am going to go do my shower routine and do my Baking

powder. Than my sea salt, Than my New hope soap 2 and than get out and put on

body balm. I am very disapointed.

> >

> > Now for fun. We took a 1/2 hour drive and went to a huge place called The

Bass Shop. Oh was I in heaven. Really needed this to lift my spirits. Being

stuck in the house all week made me bother everyone here like mad. This forum

feels like a relief zone. Sorry everyone. Well this store had lots of woods and

animals replicas and antlers. You even got to walk through a giant tree as if

you were in the red wood forest. I quickly shot by all the clothes and quickly

found my target. Fishing. Oh if I could only be uncrippled enough to go fishing.

That would be heaven. My patient husband whom is not a fishing fan patiently

went down every isle in that part of the department. I studied every pole and

reel and bait, and tackle and gadgets that did things I never seen before. I

even fallowed a small group of men around to listen to them talk to see what

they said about the poles they were looking at. I am short so they did not seem

to notice me lingering near by. At one point my husband asked me I was doing

kinda skipping around a bit like that. I told them I had to see what they said.

Kinda got the vib they knew what the poles did and how to use them for what

types of fishing. Ohhhh. Sweet heaven. Finally after and hour or so of that we

looked at the giant aquarium with giant fish and I lucked out and a big fish

came right at me to the glass and made a huge open mouth. It was so cooolllll...

> >

> > Next the elevator with a glass wall so you could see the andriodic type

style floor plan from a veiw. Top floor. Weapons. Drool. They had lazar tag

target practice. Boy my eyes are bad. Had a hard time seeing the target

reflectors I was aiming for that made cute things happen. Also my arms shook

some after holding the gun up. Than we looked at gun safes, rifles and hand

guns. Maybe go try some of them out some day. A safe place to play. On the way

out I finally did take notice of the clothes a little. I am not very girlie for

a girl. Did see some clothes that looked comfortable but knew better than to

take a closer look. Probably says " Is Your Wallet Full? " lol. Well its been

awhile sense I shot anything. Once apon a time I could shoot a 22 with one hand

and holding a flash light in the other and hit my target in the dark. Nada

anymore. I would probably shoot my eye out. lol.

> >

> > We polished it all off with a shared burgar and onions rings from Red Robin.

Yum. Love Red Robin.

> >

> > Got my herbal healer package today. Tomarrow will start on the third part of

the 3 parts plan. I will continue part of the 2 part for two more months and the

third part also a full three months. But with it next month I will be doing the

Pau de' Arco. Glad all this info was given to me in stages. I would have been

scared of and to exhausted to try something so extensive and missed out on the

benifits I have been getting. This morning I woke up with no feeling of bugs on

me. For an hour after I got up I did not feel anything. They were quiet untill

that Collidal Silver made them struggle. Than I count about three and got into

the shower.

> >

> > Whats really weird. The skin feels like it is moving whare my pants are

touching my legs. Either the pant legs are slowly riding up or there is movement

in the material or on my skin. I am guessing its my skin. The shin area. That is

whare I turn red alot and use to get horrible swelling all the time.

> >

> > Got one more important thing to share. When a poster talked about the air

bubbles. Well I never knew. When I would put anything on. Like the baking soda,

sea salt, shaving cream, New Hope Soap, Dr. Bronners pepperment shampoo makes

this happen big time. I get blurps of bubbles from under the arms and private

area. Than two days ago I was in the shower and I put on my shave cream on my

legs and as I started to shave a leg. Little pockets formed. As if they were air

holes. Really weird. Than it did it on the other leg when I lathered it up.

> >

> > Well tonight I will probably dream about fishing. I hate dreaming about

fishing. I get fishing nightmares at least twice a year on adverage. My most odd

fishing nightmare is. I use to climb down all sorts of boulder to get to a

favorite place in the river years ago in real life. I would dream of a river

with boulders on both side as far as I could see. The water would be running to

fast and that gave me some trouble. Than military men would start their way down

the rock across the water and I would try to munuver my lines and spinner around

their movment. They would be shooting and yelling and scaring the fish and bombs

would go off. I would wake up so mad that they had to start a battle right whare

I was fishing. lol.

> >

> > In Light Lynn

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Lynn. Also, the seabuckthorn berry oil is working its magic and my lesions are nearly gone. If I keep taking 2/3 dropperful 2x daily for a couple of weeks, they won't come back unless I shed fresh critters on my arms from my head. I have to contain my scalp rascals. They are the worst when they fall out on the top of my feet and on my arms.

Love ya.

katie

PS I take 1 tsp baking SODA in a glass of water 2x daily also, and I mix 3 TBSP in a cup of warm water and, after I shower using blue Dawn as shower gel, and rinse, I drizzle the baking soda mixture over me with this bottle. It seems about the right strength once I towel off most of it.

From: Lynn <torpedolynn@...>bird mites Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 2:30:42 AMSubject: Re: Baking Soda

Hi Glad to hear the Baking Soda is still working. Sorry about the rest through. I was thinking of you off and on wondering and hoping. I had cut back my use of Baking Soda, but may have to put it back in a while longer. Its aweful that we can not get away with anything. In Light Lynn> >> > Hi all> >> > The baking soda has me worried some. The store bought stuff is cheaper> and it has that alunimum sulphate or what ever it is in it. I want to> switch over to cream of Tarter. Going to check my health food store for> it in bulk to try and get it cheaper.> >> > I decided last night and

this morn not to use the baking soda. Guess> what. Less stinging. But way more crawling. At first the skin was almost> quiet. My hubby took me out on a date. I left the house with one in my> right ear. Tiny one. A semi biter on the bottom of my right foot. Than I> don't recall feeling anything else. I used my sea salt and the new hope> soap twice. Let it dry on each time. Rinsed off the first session after> 5 min. Than left on the secound session. By 1 pm. 1 light movement in> the hair. By 3 pm. slight pinching on the shoulders and arms and> crawlers in the pubic area. Biter on bottom of both feet. Now 9 pm. and> crawling on my palms, bottoms of my feet, my cheeks, and also feel> tickles of things crawling on the ends of my hair. Some slight pinch> biters on my front thighs. So now I am going to go do my shower routine> and do my Baking powder. Than my sea salt, Than my

New hope soap 2 and> than get out and put on body balm. I am very disapointed.> >> > Now for fun. We took a 1/2 hour drive and went to a huge place called> The Bass Shop. Oh was I in heaven. Really needed this to lift my> spirits. Being stuck in the house all week made me bother everyone here> like mad. This forum feels like a relief zone. Sorry everyone. Well this> store had lots of woods and animals replicas and antlers. You even got> to walk through a giant tree as if you were in the red wood forest. I> quickly shot by all the clothes and quickly found my target. Fishing. Oh> if I could only be uncrippled enough to go fishing. That would be> heaven. My patient husband whom is not a fishing fan patiently went down> every isle in that part of the department. I studied every pole and reel> and bait, and tackle and gadgets that did things I never seen before.

I> even fallowed a small group of men around to listen to them talk to see> what they said about the poles they were looking at. I am short so they> did not seem to notice me lingering near by. At one point my husband> asked me I was doing kinda skipping around a bit like that. I told them> I had to see what they said. Kinda got the vib they knew what the poles> did and how to use them for what types of fishing. Ohhhh. Sweet heaven.> Finally after and hour or so of that we looked at the giant aquarium> with giant fish and I lucked out and a big fish came right at me to the> glass and made a huge open mouth. It was so cooolllll...> >> > Next the elevator with a glass wall so you could see the andriodic> type style floor plan from a veiw. Top floor. Weapons. Drool. They had> lazar tag target practice. Boy my eyes are bad. Had a hard time seeing> the

target reflectors I was aiming for that made cute things happen.> Also my arms shook some after holding the gun up. Than we looked at gun> safes, rifles and hand guns. Maybe go try some of them out some day. A> safe place to play. On the way out I finally did take notice of the> clothes a little. I am not very girlie for a girl. Did see some clothes> that looked comfortable but knew better than to take a closer look.> Probably says "Is Your Wallet Full?" lol. Well its been awhile sense I> shot anything. Once apon a time I could shoot a 22 with one hand and> holding a flash light in the other and hit my target in the dark. Nada> anymore. I would probably shoot my eye out. lol.> >> > We polished it all off with a shared burgar and onions rings from Red> Robin. Yum. Love Red Robin.> >> > Got my herbal healer package today. Tomarrow will start on

the third> part of the 3 parts plan. I will continue part of the 2 part for two> more months and the third part also a full three months. But with it> next month I will be doing the Pau de' Arco. Glad all this info was> given to me in stages. I would have been scared of and to exhausted to> try something so extensive and missed out on the benifits I have been> getting. This morning I woke up with no feeling of bugs on me. For an> hour after I got up I did not feel anything. They were quiet untill that> Collidal Silver made them struggle. Than I count about three and got> into the shower.> >> > Whats really weird. The skin feels like it is moving whare my pants> are touching my legs. Either the pant legs are slowly riding up or there> is movement in the material or on my skin. I am guessing its my skin.> The shin area. That is whare I turn red alot and

use to get horrible> swelling all the time.> >> > Got one more important thing to share. When a poster talked about the> air bubbles. Well I never knew. When I would put anything on. Like the> baking soda, sea salt, shaving cream, New Hope Soap, Dr. Bronners> pepperment shampoo makes this happen big time. I get blurps of bubbles> from under the arms and private area. Than two days ago I was in the> shower and I put on my shave cream on my legs and as I started to shave> a leg. Little pockets formed. As if they were air holes. Really weird.> Than it did it on the other leg when I lathered it up.> >> > Well tonight I will probably dream about fishing. I hate dreaming> about fishing. I get fishing nightmares at least twice a year on> adverage. My most odd fishing nightmare is. I use to climb down all> sorts of boulder to get to a favorite

place in the river years ago in> real life. I would dream of a river with boulders on both side as far as> I could see. The water would be running to fast and that gave me some> trouble. Than military men would start their way down the rock across> the water and I would try to munuver my lines and spinner around their> movment. They would be shooting and yelling and scaring the fish and> bombs would go off. I would wake up so mad that they had to start a> battle right whare I was fishing. lol.> >> > In Light Lynn> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kajay and Lynn.Same with the scalp critters.They bite arms and back but arms

mainly.Think must be seasonal thing.Anyway Hugs too You and Lynny it will get

better.We are smart girls!!!

--- kajay109@... wrote:

From: Kajay109 <kajay109@...>

bird mites

Subject: Re: Re: Baking Soda

Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:06:38 -0800 (PST)

Thank you, Lynn. Also, the seabuckthorn berry oil is working its magic and my

lesions are nearly gone. If I keep taking 2/3 dropperful 2x daily for a couple

of weeks, they won't come back unless I shed fresh critters on my arms from my

head. I have to contain my scalp rascals. They are the worst when they fall out

on the top of my feet and on my arms.

Love ya.

katie

PS I take 1 tsp baking SODA in a glass of water 2x daily also, and I mix 3 TBSP

in a cup of warm water and, after I shower using blue Dawn as shower gel, and

rinse, I drizzle the baking soda mixture over me with this bottle. It seems

about the right strength once I towel off most of it.

________________________________

From: Lynn <torpedolynn@...>

bird mites

Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 2:30:42 AM

Subject: Re: Baking Soda

 

Hi

Glad to hear the Baking Soda is still working. Sorry about the rest through. I

was thinking of you off and on wondering and hoping. I had cut back my use of

Baking Soda, but may have to put it back in a while longer. Its aweful that we

can not get away with anything.

In Light Lynn

> >

> > Hi all

> >

> > The baking soda has me worried some. The store bought stuff is cheaper

> and it has that alunimum sulphate or what ever it is in it. I want to

> switch over to cream of Tarter. Going to check my health food store for

> it in bulk to try and get it cheaper.

> >

> > I decided last night and this morn not to use the baking soda. Guess

> what. Less stinging. But way more crawling. At first the skin was almost

> quiet. My hubby took me out on a date. I left the house with one in my

> right ear. Tiny one. A semi biter on the bottom of my right foot. Than I

> don't recall feeling anything else. I used my sea salt and the new hope

> soap twice. Let it dry on each time. Rinsed off the first session after

> 5 min. Than left on the secound session. By 1 pm. 1 light movement in

> the hair. By 3 pm. slight pinching on the shoulders and arms and

> crawlers in the pubic area. Biter on bottom of both feet. Now 9 pm. and

> crawling on my palms, bottoms of my feet, my cheeks, and also feel

> tickles of things crawling on the ends of my hair. Some slight pinch

> biters on my front thighs. So now I am going to go do my shower routine

> and do my Baking powder. Than my sea salt, Than my New hope soap 2 and

> than get out and put on body balm. I am very disapointed.

> >

> > Now for fun. We took a 1/2 hour drive and went to a huge place called

> The Bass Shop. Oh was I in heaven. Really needed this to lift my

> spirits. Being stuck in the house all week made me bother everyone here

> like mad. This forum feels like a relief zone. Sorry everyone. Well this

> store had lots of woods and animals replicas and antlers. You even got

> to walk through a giant tree as if you were in the red wood forest. I

> quickly shot by all the clothes and quickly found my target. Fishing. Oh

> if I could only be uncrippled enough to go fishing. That would be

> heaven. My patient husband whom is not a fishing fan patiently went down

> every isle in that part of the department. I studied every pole and reel

> and bait, and tackle and gadgets that did things I never seen before. I

> even fallowed a small group of men around to listen to them talk to see

> what they said about the poles they were looking at. I am short so they

> did not seem to notice me lingering near by. At one point my husband

> asked me I was doing kinda skipping around a bit like that. I told them

> I had to see what they said. Kinda got the vib they knew what the poles

> did and how to use them for what types of fishing. Ohhhh. Sweet heaven.

> Finally after and hour or so of that we looked at the giant aquarium

> with giant fish and I lucked out and a big fish came right at me to the

> glass and made a huge open mouth. It was so cooolllll...

> >

> > Next the elevator with a glass wall so you could see the andriodic

> type style floor plan from a veiw. Top floor. Weapons. Drool. They had

> lazar tag target practice. Boy my eyes are bad. Had a hard time seeing

> the target reflectors I was aiming for that made cute things happen.

> Also my arms shook some after holding the gun up. Than we looked at gun

> safes, rifles and hand guns. Maybe go try some of them out some day. A

> safe place to play. On the way out I finally did take notice of the

> clothes a little. I am not very girlie for a girl. Did see some clothes

> that looked comfortable but knew better than to take a closer look.

> Probably says " Is Your Wallet Full? " lol. Well its been awhile sense I

> shot anything. Once apon a time I could shoot a 22 with one hand and

> holding a flash light in the other and hit my target in the dark. Nada

> anymore. I would probably shoot my eye out. lol.

> >

> > We polished it all off with a shared burgar and onions rings from Red

> Robin. Yum. Love Red Robin.

> >

> > Got my herbal healer package today. Tomarrow will start on the third

> part of the 3 parts plan. I will continue part of the 2 part for two

> more months and the third part also a full three months. But with it

> next month I will be doing the Pau de' Arco. Glad all this info was

> given to me in stages. I would have been scared of and to exhausted to

> try something so extensive and missed out on the benifits I have been

> getting. This morning I woke up with no feeling of bugs on me. For an

> hour after I got up I did not feel anything. They were quiet untill that

> Collidal Silver made them struggle. Than I count about three and got

> into the shower.

> >

> > Whats really weird. The skin feels like it is moving whare my pants

> are touching my legs. Either the pant legs are slowly riding up or there

> is movement in the material or on my skin. I am guessing its my skin.

> The shin area. That is whare I turn red alot and use to get horrible

> swelling all the time.

> >

> > Got one more important thing to share. When a poster talked about the

> air bubbles. Well I never knew. When I would put anything on. Like the

> baking soda, sea salt, shaving cream, New Hope Soap, Dr. Bronners

> pepperment shampoo makes this happen big time. I get blurps of bubbles

> from under the arms and private area. Than two days ago I was in the

> shower and I put on my shave cream on my legs and as I started to shave

> a leg. Little pockets formed. As if they were air holes. Really weird.

> Than it did it on the other leg when I lathered it up.

> >

> > Well tonight I will probably dream about fishing. I hate dreaming

> about fishing. I get fishing nightmares at least twice a year on

> adverage. My most odd fishing nightmare is. I use to climb down all

> sorts of boulder to get to a favorite place in the river years ago in

> real life. I would dream of a river with boulders on both side as far as

> I could see. The water would be running to fast and that gave me some

> trouble. Than military men would start their way down the rock across

> the water and I would try to munuver my lines and spinner around their

> movment. They would be shooting and yelling and scaring the fish and

> bombs would go off. I would wake up so mad that they had to start a

> battle right whare I was fishing. lol.

> >

> > In Light Lynn

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Oh well I am just glad a nice girl like You is o.k...We will all be getting more

help soon...We are good people like Rita has said..these things are a stessor

but one We can beat!!

--- torpedolynn@... wrote:

From: " Lynn " <torpedolynn@...>

bird mites

Subject: Re: Baking Soda

Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 06:31:13 -0000

Yes I was. I use the Baking Soda and for some reason I thought it had the

alunimum in it. I do this kind of thing often. lol.

In Light Lynn

>

> Hi Lynn,

>

> Are you confusing baking powder and baking soda? I've never seen baking soda

with any other ingredients than sodium bicarbonate.

>

> Baking powder can contain aluminum.

>

> Just a question for clarity.

>

> Wishing you the best,

>

> Rose N.

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Believe it or not, the person I am today I OWE to the bugs. They made me choose to start living my life, to get it off permanent hold. They did that by making me realize two things: that time was wasting (I was about 50 when I started really living my life fully, bugs or not) and that I might be dealing with these in some form for an indefinite period (hopefully shorter, lol), so if I wanted a life at all, I might just have to live it around them. Now I think I may be able to live it without them, but it is slow going, they are so very established in my body.

katie

From: Lynn <torpedolynn@...>bird mites Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 1:41:53 AMSubject: Re: Baking Soda

I will take a look at the sebucthorn berry oil. I have old leasons that are still there. Might put that in the receipe gave me.In Light Lynnp.s. I was talking with someone today and was in awe and wonderment how you got through all these years. I think of this often. It amazes me how you have gotten through it. You are way stronger inside than I am. I do not believe I could have made it. >> Thank you, Lynn. Also, the seabuckthorn berry oil is working its magic and my lesions are nearly gone. If I keep taking 2/3 dropperful 2x daily for a couple of weeks, they won't come back unless I shed fresh critters on my arms from my head. I have to contain my scalp rascals. They are the worst when they fall out on the top

of my feet and on my arms.> > Love ya.> katie> > PS I take 1 tsp baking SODA in a glass of water 2x daily also, and I mix 3 TBSP in a cup of warm water and, after I shower using blue Dawn as shower gel, and rinse, I drizzle the baking soda mixture over me with this bottle. It seems about the right strength once I towel off most of it.

[Guest guest]

I noticed this(esp In You)sometimes Love and Service are the greatest

gift...also I believe We have a loving bunch of people on this forum...It has

been said adversity can really bring out our best...Just don't dress them up in

doll clothes...but We can live around them and We can live without them...lol

Hugs,Rose..

--- kajay109@... wrote:

From: Kajay109 <kajay109@...>

bird mites

Subject: Re: Re: Baking Soda

Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:18:11 -0800 (PST)

Believe it or not, the person I am today I OWE to the bugs. They made me choose

to start living my life, to get it off permanent hold. They did that by making

me realize two things: that time was wasting (I was about 50 when I started

really living my life fully, bugs or not) and that I might be dealing with these

in some form for an indefinite period (hopefully shorter, lol), so if I wanted a

life at all, I might just have to live it around them. Now I think I may be able

to live it without them, but it is slow going, they are so very established in

my body.

katie

________________________________

From: Lynn <torpedolynn@...>

bird mites

Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 1:41:53 AM

Subject: Re: Baking Soda

 

I will take a look at the sebucthorn berry oil. I have old leasons that are

still there. Might put that in the receipe gave me.

In Light Lynn

p.s. I was talking with someone today and was in awe and wonderment how you got

through all these years. I think of this often. It amazes me how you have gotten

through it. You are way stronger inside than I am. I do not believe I could have

made it.

>

> Thank you, Lynn. Also, the seabuckthorn berry oil is working its magic and my

lesions are nearly gone. If I keep taking 2/3 dropperful 2x daily for a couple

of weeks, they won't come back unless I shed fresh critters on my arms from my

head. I have to contain my scalp rascals. They are the worst when they fall out

on the top of my feet and on my arms.

>

> Love ya.

> katie

>

> PS I take 1 tsp baking SODA in a glass of water 2x daily also, and I mix 3

TBSP in a cup of warm water and, after I shower using blue Dawn as shower

gel, and rinse, I drizzle the baking soda mixture over me with this bottle.

It seems about the right strength once I towel off most of it.

[Guest guest]

I agree we have a loving bunch of people here. I want to say something about how groups evolve to that point, in preparation for the inevitable disruption that occurs around those who arrive here tapped out mentally, financially, medically, AND SPIRITUALLY. There is no emotion left in them but pain. I've certainly been there.

And even in a group without all of the issues each of us deals with daily, every group goes through an inevitable developmental process that I have never been able to avoid, even though I have understood it for a generation. And that (some of you have heard this before, but our crowd does evolve, so I like to run it by everyone so those who need it have it) is the stages human beings go through emotionally when they belong to a group.

First is the most startling thing, the definition of a group. A group becomes a new group with a change (addition OR subtraction) of even just one person. So an established bridge club who has to replace an ill member with a new person, even if the person is already known to the group, IS A BRAND NEW CLUB.

Second, why does this happen? The answer lies in what motivates human behavior. The first and most important thing is survival/procreation. The second one involves our relationships. The farther we go on the list of what makes us behave as we do, the less vital the motivators. The least important to our survival is self-actualization: doing what we know we were born to do. But if we lose our job / income / mate, we go back to that basic survival level. It is like a triangle, with the have to haves on the bottom, and the nice to haves up at the top. If our bottom level of our triangle gets knocked out from under us, our priorities immediately change: we forget all about love and self-actualization and do whatever it takes to get a job, a home, food, sex (yes, more important than love in the survival scale).

So in a group like ours, here are the stages:

Someone arrives. They walk in and when they write/speak, they do not know what those who have been here a while (us) know. They ask questions we've long since answered. Loudly. Pushing aside the questions that the long-timers are researching at level 87 or something. The newbies come in at level 1 and want us to get down off level 87 and play with them.

That is not much different than every group of people who come together for any other reason.

FORMING

So the first thing that has to happen for the group to return to its previous level of functioning is that the newbie gets in, looks around, asks questions, we answer them, and then they start to feel okay being here. They are recognized, accepted. The group has re-formed.

STORMING

Then the newbie, who now knows a little more about the group, starts asking even more questions because they are here to get answers just like us, and just like us, bring their own other life experiences and knowledge. They know they are part of the group. They are in the room. But where do they sit? Whose chair do they take, lol?

NORMING

Everyone figures out where to sit and they've found a chair for their newest MEMBER. The group starts getting back to business. There is still some explaining by longtimers to newcomers, and some learning in the other direction, often a LOT, but the group is settling down.

PERFORMING

This is what happens when a group has completely integrated, formed alliances, in our case usually based on a combination of EMOTIONAL SUPPORT, that is, everyone figures out who they click the best with, they develop and redevelop friendships and subgroups, and the group begins to function as or more efficiently than it did before, because now it has "fresh blood" (expertise, experiential history, personality) and SHARED RESEARCH.

That is a lovely place to be, and it sounds like we are there.

Enjoy it! Because this is a cycle. We are never static. But I encourage you to ALSO enjoy observing us, we are a dynamic, persistent, creative, wonderfully diverse group of people who just happen to be here because we share something not so nice. But frankly, my life would be far less complete without all of you. So for whatever reason, I feel BLESSED to be here, and all of you are the reasonS why.

Love,

> > > > Thank you, Lynn. Also, the seabuckthorn berry oil is working its magic and my lesions are nearly gone. If I keep taking 2/3 dropperful 2x daily for a couple of weeks, they won't come back unless I shed fresh critters on my arms from my head. I have to contain my scalp rascals. They are the worst when they fall out on the top of my feet and on my arms. > > > > Love ya. > > katie > > > > PS I take 1 tsp baking SODA in a glass of water 2x daily also, and I mix 3 TBSP in a cup of warm water and, after I shower using blue Dawn as shower gel, and rinse, I drizzle the baking soda mixture over me with this bottle. It seems about the right strength once I towel off most of it.>

[Guest guest]

i like it too and I'd like to add that we all have a primary need to be accepted

by the tribe...even on a crummy day or day when We think We know it all...not to

say that i know something I practice all the time because I fail.

--- torpedolynn@... wrote:

From: " Lynn " <torpedolynn@...>

bird mites

Subject: Re: Baking Soda

Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:38:25 -0000

I think this was nice. I like it.

In Light Lynn

>

>

> I agree we have a loving bunch of people here. I want to say something

> about how groups evolve to that point, in preparation for the inevitable

> disruption that occurs around those who arrive here tapped out mentally,

> financially, medically, AND SPIRITUALLY. There is no emotion left in

> them but pain. I've certainly been there.

>

> And even in a group without all of the issues each of us deals with

> daily, every group goes through an inevitable developmental process that

> I have never been able to avoid, even though I have understood it for a

> generation. And that (some of you have heard this before, but our crowd

> does evolve, so I like to run it by everyone so those who need it have

> it) is the stages human beings go through emotionally when they belong

> to a group.

>

> First is the most startling thing, the definition of a group. A group

> becomes a new group with a change (addition OR subtraction) of even just

> one person. So an established bridge club who has to replace an ill

> member with a new person, even if the person is already known to the

> group, IS A BRAND NEW CLUB.

>

> Second, why does this happen? The answer lies in what motivates human

> behavior. The first and most important thing is survival/procreation.

> The second one involves our relationships. The farther we go on the list

> of what makes us behave as we do, the less vital the motivators. The

> least important to our survival is self-actualization: doing what we

> know we were born to do. But if we lose our job / income / mate, we go

> back to that basic survival level. It is like a triangle, with the have

> to haves on the bottom, and the nice to haves up at the top. If our

> bottom level of our triangle gets knocked out from under us, our

> priorities immediately change: we forget all about love and

> self-actualization and do whatever it takes to get a job, a home, food,

> sex (yes, more important than love in the survival scale).

>

> So in a group like ours, here are the stages:

>

> Someone arrives. They walk in and when they write/speak, they do not

> know what those who have been here a while (us) know. They ask questions

> we've long since answered. Loudly. Pushing aside the questions that the

> long-timers are researching at level 87 or something. The newbies come

> in at level 1 and want us to get down off level 87 and play with them.

>

> That is not much different than every group of people who come together

> for any other reason.

>

> FORMING

>

> So the first thing that has to happen for the group to return to its

> previous level of functioning is that the newbie gets in, looks around,

> asks questions, we answer them, and then they start to feel okay being

> here. They are recognized, accepted. The group has re-formed.

>

> STORMING

>

> Then the newbie, who now knows a little more about the group, starts

> asking even more questions because they are here to get answers just

> like us, and just like us, bring their own other life experiences and

> knowledge. They know they are part of the group. They are in the room.

> But where do they sit? Whose chair do they take, lol?

>

> NORMING

>

> Everyone figures out where to sit and they've found a chair for their

> newest MEMBER. The group starts getting back to business. There is still

> some explaining by longtimers to newcomers, and some learning in the

> other direction, often a LOT, but the group is settling down.

>

> PERFORMING

>

> This is what happens when a group has completely integrated, formed

> alliances, in our case usually based on a combination of EMOTIONAL

> SUPPORT, that is, everyone figures out who they click the best with,

> they develop and redevelop friendships and subgroups, and the group

> begins to function as or more efficiently than it did before, because

> now it has " fresh blood " (expertise, experiential history, personality)

> and SHARED RESEARCH.

>

> That is a lovely place to be, and it sounds like we are there.

>

> Enjoy it! Because this is a cycle. We are never static. But I encourage

> you to ALSO enjoy observing us, we are a dynamic, persistent, creative,

> wonderfully diverse group of people who just happen to be here because

> we share something not so nice. But frankly, my life would be far less

> complete without all of you. So for whatever reason, I feel BLESSED to

> be here, and all of you are the reasonS why.

>

> Love,

>

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

That is an excellent question, Lynn. Actually, I thought I had fleas,

awful mean fleas, the icepick biters that look like the kind of weevils

that get in flour. Those are my black speck mites. They are all over my

body, but the ones I have studied the most, that are the easiest to

collect, live within the flesh of my scalp and feet.

I was crying on my desk at work, begging my boss to spray, and being

told NO ONE WAS BEING BOTHERED BUT ME.

After a lot of research, I learned the terms " host specific " and " host

loyal. "

They mean completely different things, of course.

To recap briefly, " host specific " alleges that a particular parasite

only bites or resides in a particular species. An article posted years

ago on a scabies board by a Louisiana farmer (and thoughtfully reposted

periodically by Doe here) scoffs at the idea that something that

lives on blood would be choosy about the source. Also, since I've found

termites, flies, springtails, weevils, lice, fleas, and now mostly

morgellons living off my well fed and obviously tasty blood, I speak

also from experience. This unfortunately means that everyone is fair

game.

However... " host loyal, " however, is a trait shared by cat fleas and rat

mites, among many others, and it just means that a particular parasite

PREFERS its host to others. I now believe this may be simply because

the rest of their " group " lives on the host, so if they went to another,

they would find it lonely and thus one of the prime mover for all

creatures, procreation, more challenging. Acquired taste for a

particular host may also translate to a preference for the blood of the

familiar host, or also, since we now know that parasites bring, farm,

and feed on various funguses, if they leave us, they are also moving

away from their OTHER food (other than our blood per se).

One of my fellow employees summed up my particular situation and helped

me to accept my unhappy uniqueness when she said, " Have you ever

wondered, , why YOU are the ONLY ONE BEING BITTEN? " Of course we

get that a lot here... but then others, and we never know who they will

be, catch them from us almost immediately.

I instinctively knew my mother would be vulnerable. She has awful

allergies and sometimes gets thrush (a fungus) on her tongue. I felt

like she already has the farm, just not the farmers. So I have steered

clear of her house as much as possible.

The good news is at work, though I turned myself in a pariah by trying

to ensure others were safe, and inspired my bosses to try to get rid of

me by underhanded means (since they can't get me on productivity, that

is excellent), that no one, since my first parasite (which I now think

was birdmites from my turkey gobbler) in 1985, has EVER gotten this from

me. Of course I don't hug, shake hands, or spend time in people's homes,

I have (now) a custom antistatic mat that covers my entire work area

($450 worth out of my pocket) so I vacuum the walkway outside my area

but swiffer my mat with the Lysol sheets given to me by my boss. I am

not allowed to spray for bugs (though I use NO pesticides), or anything

else I bring from home. I was also written up for vacuuming too much in

my old office (I was providing the filters and vacuuming my area daily

and the whole office at the time, which was six workspaces and common

areas) for free weekly. Written up. But it has paid off. Like I said, in

all these years, knock wood, I have not transmitted this to anyone other

than my poor sweet husband, whose gout (uric acid) kills them, so they

don't stick around on him. They come to me.

I know I wrote a very long answer to a simple question, but I have never

really explained all this in one place, that is, that I haven't

transmitted it and why I think that is true.

Thanks for asking--I feel better now!

Love,

> >

> > Believe it or not, the person I am today I OWE to the bugs. They

made me choose to start living my life, to get it off permanent hold.

They did that by making me realize two things: that time was wasting (I

was about 50 when I started really living my life fully, bugs or not)

and that I might be dealing with these in some form for an indefinite

period (hopefully shorter, lol), so if I wanted a life at all, I might

just have to live it around them. Now I think I may be able to live it

without them, but it is slow going, they are so very established in my

body.

> > katie

>

[Guest guest]

Exactly.

> >

> >

> > I agree we have a loving bunch of people here. I want to say something

> > about how groups evolve to that point, in preparation for the inevitable

> > disruption that occurs around those who arrive here tapped out mentally,

> > financially, medically, AND SPIRITUALLY. There is no emotion left in

> > them but pain. I've certainly been there.

> >

> > And even in a group without all of the issues each of us deals with

> > daily, every group goes through an inevitable developmental process that

> > I have never been able to avoid, even though I have understood it for a

> > generation. And that (some of you have heard this before, but our crowd

> > does evolve, so I like to run it by everyone so those who need it have

> > it) is the stages human beings go through emotionally when they belong

> > to a group.

> >

> > First is the most startling thing, the definition of a group. A group

> > becomes a new group with a change (addition OR subtraction) of even just

> > one person. So an established bridge club who has to replace an ill

> > member with a new person, even if the person is already known to the

> > group, IS A BRAND NEW CLUB.

> >

> > Second, why does this happen? The answer lies in what motivates human

> > behavior. The first and most important thing is survival/procreation.

> > The second one involves our relationships. The farther we go on the list

> > of what makes us behave as we do, the less vital the motivators. The

> > least important to our survival is self-actualization: doing what we

> > know we were born to do. But if we lose our job / income / mate, we go

> > back to that basic survival level. It is like a triangle, with the have

> > to haves on the bottom, and the nice to haves up at the top. If our

> > bottom level of our triangle gets knocked out from under us, our

> > priorities immediately change: we forget all about love and

> > self-actualization and do whatever it takes to get a job, a home, food,

> > sex (yes, more important than love in the survival scale).

> >

> > So in a group like ours, here are the stages:

> >

> > Someone arrives. They walk in and when they write/speak, they do not

> > know what those who have been here a while (us) know. They ask questions

> > we've long since answered. Loudly. Pushing aside the questions that the

> > long-timers are researching at level 87 or something. The newbies come

> > in at level 1 and want us to get down off level 87 and play with them.

> >

> > That is not much different than every group of people who come together

> > for any other reason.

> >

> > FORMING

> >

> > So the first thing that has to happen for the group to return to its

> > previous level of functioning is that the newbie gets in, looks around,

> > asks questions, we answer them, and then they start to feel okay being

> > here. They are recognized, accepted. The group has re-formed.

> >

> > STORMING

> >

> > Then the newbie, who now knows a little more about the group, starts

> > asking even more questions because they are here to get answers just

> > like us, and just like us, bring their own other life experiences and

> > knowledge. They know they are part of the group. They are in the room.

> > But where do they sit? Whose chair do they take, lol?

> >

> > NORMING

> >

> > Everyone figures out where to sit and they've found a chair for their

> > newest MEMBER. The group starts getting back to business. There is still

> > some explaining by longtimers to newcomers, and some learning in the

> > other direction, often a LOT, but the group is settling down.

> >

> > PERFORMING

> >

> > This is what happens when a group has completely integrated, formed

> > alliances, in our case usually based on a combination of EMOTIONAL

> > SUPPORT, that is, everyone figures out who they click the best with,

> > they develop and redevelop friendships and subgroups, and the group

> > begins to function as or more efficiently than it did before, because

> > now it has " fresh blood " (expertise, experiential history, personality)

> > and SHARED RESEARCH.

> >

> > That is a lovely place to be, and it sounds like we are there.

> >

> > Enjoy it! Because this is a cycle. We are never static. But I encourage

> > you to ALSO enjoy observing us, we are a dynamic, persistent, creative,

> > wonderfully diverse group of people who just happen to be here because

> > we share something not so nice. But frankly, my life would be far less

> > complete without all of you. So for whatever reason, I feel BLESSED to

> > be here, and all of you are the reasonS why.

> >

> > Love,

> >

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