Re: suggestions needed/welcomed

[Guest guest]

>>Jeff: do you have any handouts?

Sure,

Heading out of town right now till Monday but will get back to you than,.

[Guest guest]

Hi Francesca:

Suggestions? As Marsha says, if they are studying physics they are

likely to be more open than average to numerical stuff. So I suggest

adding (in order of escalating complication) the calculations for:

WC/H; BMI; and the US Navy formula for body fat percentage. (Add a

one sheet handout for all three).

Also, after alerting them to the fact that CVD is the leading cause

of death by far (I am astonished at how few kids are aware of that)

show them the comparison of heart disease risk factors between the

WUSTL subjects and the controls. (Handout, perhaps).

Also, it would be illuminating to cover briefly the use of survival

curves to show the distinction (and the significance of the

distinction) between 'rectangularizing the curve' versus moving the

lower right end of the curve rightwards. (Leave another one sheet

handout so they can go over this at leisure afterwards if they didn't

quite get the concept initially).

As recommended reading to pursue later, I suggest the wonderful

chapter in Roy's book on the nature and reliability of the different

types of evidence. That, if absorbed, will have practical usefulness

for a lifetime, in many pursuits in addition to, and far beyond, CRON.

Rodney.

> My husband teaches physics at GWU right down the road from us.

During the

> semester he's can spend a bit of time on any educational " OT " of his

> choosing - so he asked me to come in and give a lecture about CRON.

>

> Any suggestions for a bunch of college kids? My plan so far is to

bring in

> Walford's book and read from a few enticing sections, show them a

very

> recent article in the Washington Post that heart disease starts in

> adolescence, and let them sample some CRONIE food (probably

something easy

> and portable for a class of about 20 such as V-8 and some mixed

unsalted

> nuts).

>

> Jeff: do you have any handouts?

[Guest guest]

Thanks to all. Keep the suggestions coming as the ones so far have been

excellent.

Upon reflecting on how I felt about health and mortality when I was around

18-20 and in college, as most kids do - I thought I would live forever.

Therefore I plan to acknowledge that this is probably how they feel about

life and health (even Clinton didn't succumb to CVD til he was 58- which to

them probably sounds like eons from now). BUT I will tell them to pass on

the info to parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles etc. or whoever they care

about who might be more interested in this stuff.

I do remember some awful bouts of the illness such as flu when I was in

school and will emphasize that I rarely ever get sick anymore. If I had

known back then how to stave off feeling sick and lousy, I might have

listened - so perhaps that approach will resonate with them.

on 9/9/2004 12:46 PM, Rodney at perspect1111@... wrote:

> Hi Francesca:

>

> Suggestions? As Marsha says, if they are studying physics they are

> likely to be more open than average to numerical stuff. So I suggest

> adding (in order of escalating complication) the calculations for:

> WC/H; BMI; and the US Navy formula for body fat percentage. (Add a

> one sheet handout for all three).

>

[Guest guest]

Think back to your mindset back when you were college age.

Death and mortality were distant, abstract concepts and very low priority. I

would not expect kids to resonate with discussions of lifespan extension.

While DR Walford is a pioneer and certainly deserving of admiration, being

dead he will not make an effective poster boy to college age students. An

alterative is to suggest that many models and (mostly female) movie stars

are practicing defacto CR by restricting calories. Many do age better than

the general population, give or take a little plastic surgery. I would save

mentioning Dr Walford until after you've hooked as many as you can on the

" benefit " .

The hot button that I would try to push with college age kids is the fact

they are physically at the prime of their life. By restricting calories they

can stay at that sweet spot longer. While some may be in a hurry to grow up,

nobody is ever in a hurry to grow old.

Channeling into the spirit of a college kid, I would prefer beer and nachos

to CR food, but perhaps a tasty compromise would be some low calorie

smoothies made with

soy protein, frozen strawberries, blueberries, and blackberries. I'd use

kefir but a few pints of non-far yogurt would be easier to use for the demo.

A little splenda could satisfy any sweet tooth's in the audience.

Of course I could be wrong, it's been a while since I was college age :-)

(fwiw I still like beer and nachos, just forgo the nachos).

-----Original Message-----

From: Francesca Skelton [mailto:fskelton@...]

Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:42 AM

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Subject: [ ] suggestions needed/welcomed

My husband teaches physics at GWU right down the road from us. During the

semester he's can spend a bit of time on any educational " OT " of his

choosing - so he asked me to come in and give a lecture about CRON.

Any suggestions for a bunch of college kids? My plan so far is to bring in

Walford's book and read from a few enticing sections, show them a very

recent article in the Washington Post that heart disease starts in

adolescence, and let them sample some CRONIE food (probably something easy

and portable for a class of about 20 such as V-8 and some mixed unsalted

nuts).

Jeff: do you have any handouts?

[Guest guest]

Hi JR:

I don't think we should expect any of these kids to act on the

information in the very near term. But by putting some good solid

knowledge in the back of their minds right now, many of them will

start paying much more attention to time goes by.

In particular, it should strongly reinforce in their minds (without

even saying it, subliminally) that obesity is not the way to go.

Rodney.

--- In , " " <crjohnr@b...>

wrote:

> Think back to your mindset back when you were college age.

> Death and mortality were distant, abstract concepts and very low

priority. I

> would not expect kids to resonate with discussions of lifespan

extension.

>

> While DR Walford is a pioneer and certainly deserving of

admiration, being

> dead he will not make an effective poster boy to college age

students. An

> alterative is to suggest that many models and (mostly female) movie

stars

> are practicing defacto CR by restricting calories. Many do age

better than

> the general population, give or take a little plastic surgery. I

would save

> mentioning Dr Walford until after you've hooked as many as you can

on the

> " benefit " .

>

> The hot button that I would try to push with college age kids is

the fact

> they are physically at the prime of their life. By restricting

calories they

> can stay at that sweet spot longer. While some may be in a hurry to

grow up,

> nobody is ever in a hurry to grow old.

>

> Channeling into the spirit of a college kid, I would prefer beer

and nachos

> to CR food, but perhaps a tasty compromise would be some low calorie

> smoothies made with

> soy protein, frozen strawberries, blueberries, and blackberries.

I'd use

> kefir but a few pints of non-far yogurt would be easier to use for

the demo.

> A little splenda could satisfy any sweet tooth's in the audience.

>

> Of course I could be wrong, it's been a while since I was college

age :-)

> (fwiw I still like beer and nachos, just forgo the nachos).

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Francesca Skelton [mailto:fskelton@e...]

> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:42 AM

> support group

> Subject: [ ] suggestions needed/welcomed

>

>

> My husband teaches physics at GWU right down the road from us.

During the

> semester he's can spend a bit of time on any educational " OT " of his

> choosing - so he asked me to come in and give a lecture about CRON.

>

> Any suggestions for a bunch of college kids? My plan so far is to

bring in

> Walford's book and read from a few enticing sections, show them a

very

> recent article in the Washington Post that heart disease starts in

> adolescence, and let them sample some CRONIE food (probably

something easy

> and portable for a class of about 20 such as V-8 and some mixed

unsalted

> nuts).

>

> Jeff: do you have any handouts?

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was pretty weird, even back in college: I baked my own whole grain bread,

made my own yogurt, was vegetarian, cooked every recipe in the " Moosewood

Cookbook, " even practiced CR (economicallly motivated) for a time....

College is a time to be radical. I'll bet some small percentage of college

kids would go for CR.

>From: " " <crjohnr@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: RE: [ ] suggestions needed/welcomed

>Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:32:45 -0500

>

>Think back to your mindset back when you were college age.

>Death and mortality were distant, abstract concepts and very low priority.

>I

>would not expect kids to resonate with discussions of lifespan extension.

>

>While DR Walford is a pioneer and certainly deserving of admiration, being

>dead he will not make an effective poster boy to college age students. An

>alterative is to suggest that many models and (mostly female) movie stars

>are practicing defacto CR by restricting calories. Many do age better than

>the general population, give or take a little plastic surgery. I would save

>mentioning Dr Walford until after you've hooked as many as you can on the

> " benefit " .

>

>The hot button that I would try to push with college age kids is the fact

>they are physically at the prime of their life. By restricting calories

>they

>can stay at that sweet spot longer. While some may be in a hurry to grow

>up,

>nobody is ever in a hurry to grow old.

>

>Channeling into the spirit of a college kid, I would prefer beer and nachos

>to CR food, but perhaps a tasty compromise would be some low calorie

>smoothies made with

>soy protein, frozen strawberries, blueberries, and blackberries. I'd use

>kefir but a few pints of non-far yogurt would be easier to use for the

>demo.

>A little splenda could satisfy any sweet tooth's in the audience.

>

>Of course I could be wrong, it's been a while since I was college age :-)

>(fwiw I still like beer and nachos, just forgo the nachos).

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From: Francesca Skelton [mailto:fskelton@...]

>Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:42 AM

>support group

>Subject: [ ] suggestions needed/welcomed

>

>

>My husband teaches physics at GWU right down the road from us. During the

>semester he's can spend a bit of time on any educational " OT " of his

>choosing - so he asked me to come in and give a lecture about CRON.

>

>Any suggestions for a bunch of college kids? My plan so far is to bring in

>Walford's book and read from a few enticing sections, show them a very

>recent article in the Washington Post that heart disease starts in

>adolescence, and let them sample some CRONIE food (probably something easy

>and portable for a class of about 20 such as V-8 and some mixed unsalted

>nuts).

>

>Jeff: do you have any handouts?

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

They reported yesterday that 30% of school kids in Arkansas are

overweight.... I think we need to come up with ways to impact their

immediate behavior.

Death don't mean squat to kids... but sex and being buff does....

JR

-----Original Message-----

From: Rodney [mailto:perspect1111@...]

Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:47 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: suggestions needed/welcomed

Hi JR:

I don't think we should expect any of these kids to act on the

information in the very near term. But by putting some good solid

knowledge in the back of their minds right now, many of them will

start paying much more attention to time goes by.

In particular, it should strongly reinforce in their minds (without

even saying it, subliminally) that obesity is not the way to go.

Rodney.

--- In , " " <crjohnr@b...>

wrote:

> Think back to your mindset back when you were college age.

> Death and mortality were distant, abstract concepts and very low

priority. I

>

[Guest guest]

I like what you're saying . If I were were writing a cheap local commercial for this to young people I would work on "you could be looking sexier (hotter?) and feeling sexier longer." In my opinion, those of us who have reduced sexuality because of cr are going farther than Walford would have recommended. Francesca, you can consult the Willcox book on the Okinawa Program for data to make your case for preservation of sexuality. In addition, a cr program for an active college age person, if it were moderate, leaves plenty of calories for some beer...but not nachos! My own experience with this (sexuality) at age 72 is that if my exercise program is just right, especially the strength training, I'm a little more sexually responsive than I was at say, age 64 or 65. Never mind 20. That's all remembered through some sort of a red haze...I could have used severe cr. Perhaps some sort of physical restraints as well. With cr, I might even have been sane.

I don't know about the young women. The guys want to be sexual athletes for as long as possible.

I once wrote a very effective spot for young people that started..."you can have it all...today!..." Makes me want to throw up.

Ed S.

----- Original Message -----

From:

Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:32 AM

Subject: RE: [ ] suggestions needed/welcomed

Think back to your mindset back when you were college age. Channeling into the spirit of a college kid, I would prefer beer and nachosto CR food, but perhaps a tasty compromise would be some low caloriesmoothies made withsoy protein, frozen strawberries, blueberries, and blackberries. I'd usekefir but a few pints of non-far yogurt would be easier to use for the demo.A little splenda could satisfy any sweet tooth's in the audience.Of course I could be wrong, it's been a while since I was college age :-)(fwiw I still like beer and nachos, just forgo the nachos). Any suggestions for a bunch of college kids? My plan so far is to bring inWalford's book and read from a few enticing sections, show them a veryrecent article in the Washington Post that heart disease starts inadolescence, and let them sample some CRONIE food (probably something easyand portable for a class of about 20 such as V-8 and some mixed unsaltednuts).

[Guest guest]

I'm with Rodney on this point. Mortality is just not a pressing issue for

that age, but knowledge could be planted that might bear fruit later on.

I also expect that stressing the fact that CR is very scientific, and not a

fad or even a " diet " per se, might go over well. Sell it as the " thinking

person's lifestyle " , and how much it differs from what Joe Blow in the

street is doing.

I would mention, too, that occasional splurges are not forbidden, as long as

portions are controlled and everything is accounted for.

I've been trying to sell my brother on CRON, and he's exactly in this age

group. Naturally, living longer only marginally interested him, but he is

interested in his appearance and in overall health, and he was fairly

impressed to hear how easily weight is lost on CRON. That might also be

appealing.

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>

> Hi JR:

>

> I don't think we should expect any of these kids to act on the

> information in the very near term. But by putting some good solid

> knowledge in the back of their minds right now, many of them will

> start paying much more attention to time goes by.

>

> In particular, it should strongly reinforce in their minds (without

> even saying it, subliminally) that obesity is not the way to go.

>

> Rodney.

>

>

> > Think back to your mindset back when you were college age.

> > Death and mortality were distant, abstract concepts and very low

> priority. I

> > would not expect kids to resonate with discussions of lifespan

> extension.

> >

> > While DR Walford is a pioneer and certainly deserving of

> admiration, being

> > dead he will not make an effective poster boy to college age

> students. An

> > alterative is to suggest that many models and (mostly female) movie

> stars

> > are practicing defacto CR by restricting calories. Many do age

> better than

> > the general population, give or take a little plastic surgery. I

> would save

> > mentioning Dr Walford until after you've hooked as many as you can

> on the

> > " benefit " .

> >

> > The hot button that I would try to push with college age kids is

> the fact

> > they are physically at the prime of their life. By restricting

> calories they

> > can stay at that sweet spot longer. While some may be in a hurry to

> grow up,

> > nobody is ever in a hurry to grow old.

> >

> > Channeling into the spirit of a college kid, I would prefer beer

> and nachos

> > to CR food, but perhaps a tasty compromise would be some low calorie

> > smoothies made with

> > soy protein, frozen strawberries, blueberries, and blackberries.

> I'd use

> > kefir but a few pints of non-far yogurt would be easier to use for

> the demo.

> > A little splenda could satisfy any sweet tooth's in the audience.

> >

> > Of course I could be wrong, it's been a while since I was college

> age :-)

> > (fwiw I still like beer and nachos, just forgo the nachos).

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: Francesca Skelton [mailto:fskelton@e...]

> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:42 AM

> > support group

> > Subject: [ ] suggestions needed/welcomed

> >

> >

> > My husband teaches physics at GWU right down the road from us.

> During the

> > semester he's can spend a bit of time on any educational " OT " of his

> > choosing - so he asked me to come in and give a lecture about CRON.

> >

> > Any suggestions for a bunch of college kids? My plan so far is to

> bring in

> > Walford's book and read from a few enticing sections, show them a

> very

> > recent article in the Washington Post that heart disease starts in

> > adolescence, and let them sample some CRONIE food (probably

> something easy

> > and portable for a class of about 20 such as V-8 and some mixed

> unsalted

> > nuts).

> >

> > Jeff: do you have any handouts?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >