Guest guest Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 Hi, Marc! Well, regarding wooden shields, I had made some years ago (myself! :-)) a totally wooden house (hut) of some 6 square meters only, walls 2 inches wood, and it did give somewhat different feeling inside but I am not positive on the final conclusion... Than last year I made a bigger hut, of twice thinner wood, and the feeling was similar... I was not very happy with it (keep old stuff and garden tools now there)... But... Maybe it was worth more trials because it does make some difference... What I found the most pronounced was some dizziness after prolonged stay, like lack of mental brightness, but I dare to say that such dizziness is sometimes for me associated with places in wilderness where there is null radiation... Drasko > > > So I am not proposing any solution, just insisting that shielding > > is problematic. > > It sounds like some people have benefited from " shielding " with wood. > For those of you didn't like what happened after shielding with > normal shielding materials, have you tried using wood instead and > seen if it helped/hurt/didn't make a difference? > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 Previously some people here said that wood could be a good absorber, so maybe an interesting experiment is shielind material + wood inside... If I would build something new from scratch I would use concrete everywhere... I feel better in houses/buildings with a lot of concrete... > > PUK REPLIES - I have a log cabin at the end of my 80m garden its 3.5mx4m > made of 28mm sweedish pine, I find the space better than the house ie no > electricity just 12 volt lights and a wood burner. One thought is that the wood > probably offers very little protection against rf scources so while the > space offers warmth and light you are essentially sitting in the open like a > sitting duck. I rekon if I sat almost anywhere for long enough in the open > in one small area I would feel familiar ES symptoms. The log cabin has > sprung a leak in the roof due to poor quality felt and I was slow to fix it > so now I have to remediate black mold patches that set into the wood and as > for the wood burner which I made from a gas cinister although a very good > effort which served me well for 2 yrs I began to wonder if this was cuasing > me additional problems from both the kindling I was using ie, wooden fruit > boxes that are likely sprayed over with thiabendozole pesticde and also the > menace of carbin minoxide in such a small space - I am now saving to buy a > proper sealed wood burner and stainles steel flue. I also have the added > menace that when the couple who have the menacing Plasma TV go to bed at > 9pm, the man at the end of my garden behind the log cabin starts up his Ham > radio ! i REMAIN OPTOMISTIC nevertheless.. > > puk > > > In a message dated 23/03/2011 10:40:23 GMT Standard Time, > cvijovic@... writes: > > Hi, Marc! > Well, regarding wooden shields, I had made some years ago (myself! :-)) a > totally wooden house (hut) of some 6 square meters only, walls 2 inches > wood, and it did give somewhat different feeling inside but I am not positive > on the final conclusion... Than last year I made a bigger hut, of twice > thinner wood, and the feeling was similar... I was not very happy with it > (keep old stuff and garden tools now there)... > But... Maybe it was worth more trials because it does make some > difference... What I found the most pronounced was some dizziness after prolonged > stay, like lack of mental brightness, but I dare to say that such dizziness is > sometimes for me associated with places in wilderness where there is null > radiation... > > Drasko > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 Hello, it is not so, that wood is a good absorber. One may not compare one with another. With wood, it depends on the type of wood as well as the frequency.. In general the shiedling is ca 15 dB for GSM900, and ca 30 dB for GSM1800 and 3G. Prof. i and dr. Moldan did test a number of building materials qua shielding factor. It is available in a booklet: Reduzierung hochfrequenter Strahlung, Baustoffe und Abschirmmaterialien. It is written for building biologists. Be aware that in concrete, the metal reinforcement bars do work like an antenna, and they can work like a transmitter. They should be grounded correctly. A wooden house does not have these metal bars, but the electrical conduit cables may give electrical fields. I have measured, that some shielded cables may also work as an antenna, and their outer layer may bring GSM signals into the house. But tehre is also good paint, which keeps the high frequencies out, as well as the electrical fields. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Re: Wood Previously some people here said that wood could be a good absorber, so maybe an interesting experiment is shielind material + wood inside... If I would build something new from scratch I would use concrete everywhere... I feel better in houses/buildings with a lot of concrete... > > PUK REPLIES - I have a log cabin at the end of my 80m garden its 3.5mx4m > made of 28mm sweedish pine, I find the space better than the house ie no > electricity just 12 volt lights and a wood burner. One thought is that the wood > probably offers very little protection against rf scources so while the > space offers warmth and light you are essentially sitting in the open like a > sitting duck. I rekon if I sat almost anywhere for long enough in the open > in one small area I would feel familiar ES symptoms. The log cabin has > sprung a leak in the roof due to poor quality felt and I was slow to fix it > so now I have to remediate black mold patches that set into the wood and as > for the wood burner which I made from a gas cinister although a very good > effort which served me well for 2 yrs I began to wonder if this was cuasing > me additional problems from both the kindling I was using ie, wooden fruit > boxes that are likely sprayed over with thiabendozole pesticde and also the > menace of carbin minoxide in such a small space - I am now saving to buy a > proper sealed wood burner and stainles steel flue. I also have the added > menace that when the couple who have the menacing Plasma TV go to bed at > 9pm, the man at the end of my garden behind the log cabin starts up his Ham > radio ! i REMAIN OPTOMISTIC nevertheless.. > > puk > > > In a message dated 23/03/2011 10:40:23 GMT Standard Time, > cvijovic@... writes: > > Hi, Marc! > Well, regarding wooden shields, I had made some years ago (myself! :-)) a > totally wooden house (hut) of some 6 square meters only, walls 2 inches > wood, and it did give somewhat different feeling inside but I am not positive > on the final conclusion... Than last year I made a bigger hut, of twice > thinner wood, and the feeling was similar... I was not very happy with it > (keep old stuff and garden tools now there)... > But... Maybe it was worth more trials because it does make some > difference... What I found the most pronounced was some dizziness after prolonged > stay, like lack of mental brightness, but I dare to say that such dizziness is > sometimes for me associated with places in wilderness where there is null > radiation... > > Drasko > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 , What do you mean by stating dB effect of wooden shields?? Drasko > > > > PUK REPLIES - I have a log cabin at the end of my 80m garden its 3.5mx4m > > made of 28mm sweedish pine, I find the space better than the house ie no > > electricity just 12 volt lights and a wood burner. One thought is that the wood > > probably offers very little protection against rf scources so while the > > space offers warmth and light you are essentially sitting in the open like a > > sitting duck. I rekon if I sat almost anywhere for long enough in the open > > in one small area I would feel familiar ES symptoms. The log cabin has > > sprung a leak in the roof due to poor quality felt and I was slow to fix it > > so now I have to remediate black mold patches that set into the wood and as > > for the wood burner which I made from a gas cinister although a very good > > effort which served me well for 2 yrs I began to wonder if this was cuasing > > me additional problems from both the kindling I was using ie, wooden fruit > > boxes that are likely sprayed over with thiabendozole pesticde and also the > > menace of carbin minoxide in such a small space - I am now saving to buy a > > proper sealed wood burner and stainles steel flue. I also have the added > > menace that when the couple who have the menacing Plasma TV go to bed at > > 9pm, the man at the end of my garden behind the log cabin starts up his Ham > > radio ! i REMAIN OPTOMISTIC nevertheless.. > > > > puk > > > > > > In a message dated 23/03/2011 10:40:23 GMT Standard Time, > > cvijovic@ writes: > > > > Hi, Marc! > > Well, regarding wooden shields, I had made some years ago (myself! :-)) a > > totally wooden house (hut) of some 6 square meters only, walls 2 inches > > wood, and it did give somewhat different feeling inside but I am not positive > > on the final conclusion... Than last year I made a bigger hut, of twice > > thinner wood, and the feeling was similar... I was not very happy with it > > (keep old stuff and garden tools now there)... > > But... Maybe it was worth more trials because it does make some > > difference... What I found the most pronounced was some dizziness after prolonged > > stay, like lack of mental brightness, but I dare to say that such dizziness is > > sometimes for me associated with places in wilderness where there is null > > radiation... > > > > Drasko > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Hello Drasko, the effect of shielding is given in dB, as i and Moldan have published in their booklet. They did so for many materials en shielding materials. Among them a number of wood types. The curves shown by manufacturors of shielding materials, like Biologa, are made by i and Moldan. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Re: Wood , What do you mean by stating dB effect of wooden shields?? Drasko > > > > PUK REPLIES - I have a log cabin at the end of my 80m garden its 3.5mx4m > > made of 28mm sweedish pine, I find the space better than the house ie no > > electricity just 12 volt lights and a wood burner. One thought is that the wood > > probably offers very little protection against rf scources so while the > > space offers warmth and light you are essentially sitting in the open like a > > sitting duck. I rekon if I sat almost anywhere for long enough in the open > > in one small area I would feel familiar ES symptoms. The log cabin has > > sprung a leak in the roof due to poor quality felt and I was slow to fix it > > so now I have to remediate black mold patches that set into the wood and as > > for the wood burner which I made from a gas cinister although a very good > > effort which served me well for 2 yrs I began to wonder if this was cuasing > > me additional problems from both the kindling I was using ie, wooden fruit > > boxes that are likely sprayed over with thiabendozole pesticde and also the > > menace of carbin minoxide in such a small space - I am now saving to buy a > > proper sealed wood burner and stainles steel flue. I also have the added > > menace that when the couple who have the menacing Plasma TV go to bed at > > 9pm, the man at the end of my garden behind the log cabin starts up his Ham > > radio ! i REMAIN OPTOMISTIC nevertheless.. > > > > puk > > > > > > In a message dated 23/03/2011 10:40:23 GMT Standard Time, > > cvijovic@ writes: > > > > Hi, Marc! > > Well, regarding wooden shields, I had made some years ago (myself! :-)) a > > totally wooden house (hut) of some 6 square meters only, walls 2 inches > > wood, and it did give somewhat different feeling inside but I am not positive > > on the final conclusion... Than last year I made a bigger hut, of twice > > thinner wood, and the feeling was similar... I was not very happy with it > > (keep old stuff and garden tools now there)... > > But... Maybe it was worth more trials because it does make some > > difference... What I found the most pronounced was some dizziness after prolonged > > stay, like lack of mental brightness, but I dare to say that such dizziness is > > sometimes for me associated with places in wilderness where there is null > > radiation... > > > > Drasko > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 , I have just checked briefly that booklet, there is no such thing... You should know that wood has almost no shielding properties which can be accessed solely by objective means, i.e. measured the classic way... Wood doesn't stop EM waves. What we were talking about are possible wood properties in sense that it gives some *subjective* effect, which is still not well understood. Drasko > > > > > > PUK REPLIES - I have a log cabin at the end of my 80m garden its 3.5mx4m > > > made of 28mm sweedish pine, I find the space better than the house ie no > > > electricity just 12 volt lights and a wood burner. One thought is that the wood > > > probably offers very little protection against rf scources so while the > > > space offers warmth and light you are essentially sitting in the open like a > > > sitting duck. I rekon if I sat almost anywhere for long enough in the open > > > in one small area I would feel familiar ES symptoms. The log cabin has > > > sprung a leak in the roof due to poor quality felt and I was slow to fix it > > > so now I have to remediate black mold patches that set into the wood and as > > > for the wood burner which I made from a gas cinister although a very good > > > effort which served me well for 2 yrs I began to wonder if this was cuasing > > > me additional problems from both the kindling I was using ie, wooden fruit > > > boxes that are likely sprayed over with thiabendozole pesticde and also the > > > menace of carbin minoxide in such a small space - I am now saving to buy a > > > proper sealed wood burner and stainles steel flue. I also have the added > > > menace that when the couple who have the menacing Plasma TV go to bed at > > > 9pm, the man at the end of my garden behind the log cabin starts up his Ham > > > radio ! i REMAIN OPTOMISTIC nevertheless.. > > > > > > puk > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 23/03/2011 10:40:23 GMT Standard Time, > > > cvijovic@ writes: > > > > > > Hi, Marc! > > > Well, regarding wooden shields, I had made some years ago (myself! :-)) a > > > totally wooden house (hut) of some 6 square meters only, walls 2 inches > > > wood, and it did give somewhat different feeling inside but I am not positive > > > on the final conclusion... Than last year I made a bigger hut, of twice > > > thinner wood, and the feeling was similar... I was not very happy with it > > > (keep old stuff and garden tools now there)... > > > But... Maybe it was worth more trials because it does make some > > > difference... What I found the most pronounced was some dizziness after prolonged > > > stay, like lack of mental brightness, but I dare to say that such dizziness is > > > sometimes for me associated with places in wilderness where there is null > > > radiation... > > > > > > Drasko > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Hello Drasko, your checking was too brief. http://www.drmoldan.de/html/publikationen1.htm However, the second edition is out of print, but they are working on the third edition. And, wood stops EM waves, although 15 dB is not so much, but it is better than nothing. Another example can be seen here: http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pictures/Moldan2a.jpg Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Re: Wood , I have just checked briefly that booklet, there is no such thing... You should know that wood has almost no shielding properties which can be accessed solely by objective means, i.e. measured the classic way... Wood doesn't stop EM waves. What we were talking about are possible wood properties in sense that it gives some *subjective* effect, which is still not well understood. Drasko > > > > > > PUK REPLIES - I have a log cabin at the end of my 80m garden its 3.5mx4m > > > made of 28mm sweedish pine, I find the space better than the house ie no > > > electricity just 12 volt lights and a wood burner. One thought is that the wood > > > probably offers very little protection against rf scources so while the > > > space offers warmth and light you are essentially sitting in the open like a > > > sitting duck. I rekon if I sat almost anywhere for long enough in the open > > > in one small area I would feel familiar ES symptoms. The log cabin has > > > sprung a leak in the roof due to poor quality felt and I was slow to fix it > > > so now I have to remediate black mold patches that set into the wood and as > > > for the wood burner which I made from a gas cinister although a very good > > > effort which served me well for 2 yrs I began to wonder if this was cuasing > > > me additional problems from both the kindling I was using ie, wooden fruit > > > boxes that are likely sprayed over with thiabendozole pesticde and also the > > > menace of carbin minoxide in such a small space - I am now saving to buy a > > > proper sealed wood burner and stainles steel flue. I also have the added > > > menace that when the couple who have the menacing Plasma TV go to bed at > > > 9pm, the man at the end of my garden behind the log cabin starts up his Ham > > > radio ! i REMAIN OPTOMISTIC nevertheless.. > > > > > > puk > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 23/03/2011 10:40:23 GMT Standard Time, > > > cvijovic@ writes: > > > > > > Hi, Marc! > > > Well, regarding wooden shields, I had made some years ago (myself! :-)) a > > > totally wooden house (hut) of some 6 square meters only, walls 2 inches > > > wood, and it did give somewhat different feeling inside but I am not positive > > > on the final conclusion... Than last year I made a bigger hut, of twice > > > thinner wood, and the feeling was similar... I was not very happy with it > > > (keep old stuff and garden tools now there)... > > > But... Maybe it was worth more trials because it does make some > > > difference... What I found the most pronounced was some dizziness after prolonged > > > stay, like lack of mental brightness, but I dare to say that such dizziness is > > > sometimes for me associated with places in wilderness where there is null > > > radiation... > > > > > > Drasko > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 I have to agree. We're not going to find official validation for much of this info. A one size fits all just isn't going to work, because there are way too many variables. We all have different environments, probably vastly diff't when factoring in things like:individual health profiles, cell towers, antennas, bleed thru from neighbors equipt, what house is made of, how old, what type of construction, geo-pathic stress, subterranian water/mineral sources, antenna strength, directional feedback, pools/ponds/parabolic dishes from cable tv- anything that can reflect or amplify signals- the list goes on and on! Same goes for interior of house; such as mirrors, windows ect (yes! mirrors can and do reflect this energy)...Bottom line? Whatever each of us can do, in our homes- that helps to reduce/ lower these nasty energies is validation ENOUGH if " we can feel the difference " . I took down: mirrors, the pool, shut off the cable....and this reduced quite a bit of the harmful energies. Turn this whole argument/debate around, for a minute.....did we really need a doctor or a scientist to tell US- that these emf's were affecting us, making some of us very sick? Granted, knowing that many scientists " are " validating what we already know- does make us feel stronger in our convictions....but! We didn't need them to tell us what we already knew firsthand. Keep sharing, people. Keep being open minded. Remember, all of us are already doing battle with the close minded. Someone might offer up 10 things that helped them..maybe only 1 or 2 will prove helpful to you..but that s/thing that did work- wil be MORE then you had before! Blessings, Lizzie From: aliassmithandjones@... Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 17:57:26 +0000 Subject: Re: Wood What I hear you saying is that if you can't find something in a booklet somewhere to back up something your saying then it can't be true. This is nonsense. You're making two incorrect assumptions here. First you're assuming that if you read it in a book then it is true. Second, you're assuming that science has all the data and information already and that everything is known and is in a book. You're claiming that people who can't give you a reference from a book are being subjective. This is just unclear thinking. If I put wood on my ceiling and I notice that an atomic clock that gets a signal from somewhere in Colorado stops working correctly. And I know that it is the only thing different in that room. Then I am being very objective and making an objective, not subjective, observation about wood as a shielding material. Do I know how wood blocked that signal? Absolutely not. If you can't find an explanation for it in one of your books that doesn't make it subjective. > > > > > > > > PUK REPLIES - I have a log cabin at the end of my 80m garden its 3.5mx4m > > > > made of 28mm sweedish pine, I find the space better than the house ie no > > > > electricity just 12 volt lights and a wood burner. One thought is that the wood > > > > probably offers very little protection against rf scources so while the > > > > space offers warmth and light you are essentially sitting in the open like a > > > > sitting duck. I rekon if I sat almost anywhere for long enough in the open > > > > in one small area I would feel familiar ES symptoms. The log cabin has > > > > sprung a leak in the roof due to poor quality felt and I was slow to fix it > > > > so now I have to remediate black mold patches that set into the wood and as > > > > for the wood burner which I made from a gas cinister although a very good > > > > effort which served me well for 2 yrs I began to wonder if this was cuasing > > > > me additional problems from both the kindling I was using ie, wooden fruit > > > > boxes that are likely sprayed over with thiabendozole pesticde and also the > > > > menace of carbin minoxide in such a small space - I am now saving to buy a > > > > proper sealed wood burner and stainles steel flue. I also have the added > > > > menace that when the couple who have the menacing Plasma TV go to bed at > > > > 9pm, the man at the end of my garden behind the log cabin starts up his Ham > > > > radio ! i REMAIN OPTOMISTIC nevertheless.. > > > > > > > > puk > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 23/03/2011 10:40:23 GMT Standard Time, > > > > cvijovic@ writes: > > > > > > > > Hi, Marc! > > > > Well, regarding wooden shields, I had made some years ago (myself! :-)) a > > > > totally wooden house (hut) of some 6 square meters only, walls 2 inches > > > > wood, and it did give somewhat different feeling inside but I am not positive > > > > on the final conclusion... Than last year I made a bigger hut, of twice > > > > thinner wood, and the feeling was similar... I was not very happy with it > > > > (keep old stuff and garden tools now there)... > > > > But... Maybe it was worth more trials because it does make some > > > > difference... What I found the most pronounced was some dizziness after prolonged > > > > stay, like lack of mental brightness, but I dare to say that such dizziness is > > > > sometimes for me associated with places in wilderness where there is null > > > > radiation... > > > > > > > > Drasko > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 I'm not trying to knock science. I'm all for science when done correctly. I just hear people talking in a way that sounds scientific but really isn't. For instance, I once went to a dentist to try to get my mercury fillings removed. Not only did he not want to remove them but he wanted to put more mercury in my mouth. He then walked me over to a cut out of a couple sentence article that he had cut out of the Kansas City Star newspaper. He had put it on his wall. It said something like, " The government says mercury is safe " . That proved it to him. He had read it somewhere and he considered the source to be good and the matter was closed in his way of thinking which he thinks is reasonable or scientific. If I put wood up on my ceiling and that is the only thing different about the room and I notice the atomic clock stops working then there is some shielding taking place. All the other variables are the same unless you want to say that the signal is being blocked somewhere else before it gets into the room which I highly doubt. > > > > > > > > > > PUK REPLIES - I have a log cabin at the end of my 80m garden its 3.5mx4m > > > > > made of 28mm sweedish pine, I find the space better than the house ie no > > > > > electricity just 12 volt lights and a wood burner. One thought is that the wood > > > > > probably offers very little protection against rf scources so while the > > > > > space offers warmth and light you are essentially sitting in the open like a > > > > > sitting duck. I rekon if I sat almost anywhere for long enough in the open > > > > > in one small area I would feel familiar ES symptoms. The log cabin has > > > > > sprung a leak in the roof due to poor quality felt and I was slow to fix it > > > > > so now I have to remediate black mold patches that set into the wood and as > > > > > for the wood burner which I made from a gas cinister although a very good > > > > > effort which served me well for 2 yrs I began to wonder if this was cuasing > > > > > me additional problems from both the kindling I was using ie, wooden fruit > > > > > boxes that are likely sprayed over with thiabendozole pesticde and also the > > > > > menace of carbin minoxide in such a small space - I am now saving to buy a > > > > > proper sealed wood burner and stainles steel flue. I also have the added > > > > > menace that when the couple who have the menacing Plasma TV go to bed at > > > > > 9pm, the man at the end of my garden behind the log cabin starts up his Ham > > > > > radio ! i REMAIN OPTOMISTIC nevertheless.. > > > > > > > > > > puk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 23/03/2011 10:40:23 GMT Standard Time, > > > > > cvijovic@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Marc! > > > > > Well, regarding wooden shields, I had made some years ago (myself! :-)) a > > > > > totally wooden house (hut) of some 6 square meters only, walls 2 inches > > > > > wood, and it did give somewhat different feeling inside but I am not positive > > > > > on the final conclusion... Than last year I made a bigger hut, of twice > > > > > thinner wood, and the feeling was similar... I was not very happy with it > > > > > (keep old stuff and garden tools now there)... > > > > > But... Maybe it was worth more trials because it does make some > > > > > difference... What I found the most pronounced was some dizziness after prolonged > > > > > stay, like lack of mental brightness, but I dare to say that such dizziness is > > > > > sometimes for me associated with places in wilderness where there is null > > > > > radiation... > > > > > > > > > > Drasko > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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