Guest guest Posted May 5, 2004 Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 CHICAGO, Illinois (AP) -- In a growing practice that troubles some ethicists, a Chicago laboratory helped create five healthy babies so that they could serve as stem-cell donors for their ailing brothers and sisters. The made-to-order infants, from different families, were screened and selected when they were still embryos to make sure they would be compatible donors. Their siblings suffered from leukemia or a rare and potentially lethal anemia. This is the first time embryo tissue-typing has been done for common disorders like leukemia that are not inherited, and the results suggest that many more children than previously thought could benefit from the technology, said Dr. Anver Kuliev, a Chicago doctor who participated in the research. "This technology has wide implications in medical practice," Kuliev said Tuesday at a news conference. The Chicago doctors said the healthy embryos that were not matches were frozen for potential future use. But some ethicists said such perfectly healthy embryos could end up being discarded. "This was a search-and-destroy mission," said Doerflinger of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. The chosen embryos "were allowed to be born so they could donate tissue to benefit someone else." Unregulated industry Valparaiso University professor Gilbert Meilaender, a member of the President's Council on Bioethics, called the practice "morally troubling." The council recently called for increased scrutiny of the largely unregulated U.S. infertility industry. The cases involved prenatal tests called pre-implantation HLA testing, pioneered at Chicago's Reproductive Genetics Institute. The tests are an offshoot of pre-implantation genetic diagnosis, which has been done for more than 1,000 couples worldwide to weed out test-tube embryos with genetic diseases such as Down syndrome, or, more recently, for sex selection. The institute's doctors made headlines four years ago after performing embryo tissue typing plus genetic disease screening for a Colorado couple who wanted to create another baby to save their daughter, who had a rare inherited disease called Fanconi anemia. The resulting baby boy, Adam Nash, donated bone marrow in an operation doctors said was a success. Since then, embryo tissue typing with genetic disease testing has been performed more than three dozen times worldwide, with most of the cases done at the Chicago institute, Kuliev said. Kuliev said the latest cases are the first instances in which embryos were tissue-typed but not screened genetically for diseases. Selective conception The cases, reported in Wednesday's Journal of the American Medical Association, involved nine couples who submitted embryos that underwent tissue-typing tests during 2002 and 2003. Five had infants considered suitable donors. So far, stem cells from the umbilical cord blood of one infant have been donated to an ailing sibling, Kuliev said. He called the operation a success but said the older child will need continued monitoring to be sure. Another baby was born last June to an English couple who traveled to Chicago after British fertility authorities denied them permission to undergo the procedure in England, said Dr. Mohammed Taranissi, a London doctor who co-authored the JAMA report. The couple's older child has Diamond-Blackfan anemia, a rare blood ailment that can lead to leukemia. Taranissi said a transplant from the baby boy's umbilical cord blood is scheduled soon. Kuliev said the institute has done HLA embryo testing alone for more than a dozen other couples and demand is growing. More than 13,000 U.S. residents are diagnosed yearly with one of the leukemias involved in the research -- acute myeloid leukemia and acute lymphoid leukemia, the most common childhood leukemia. Taranissi disagreed with ethicists concerned about discarding disease-free embryos. He noted that it often happens with in vitro fertilization, when doctors frequently create more test-tube embryos than are needed. Of all the reasons people have babies, this would seem to be a wonderful reason. Most reasons are either mindless sex or selfish reasons. -- Norman Fost, University of Wisconsin medical ethicist With tissue-typing embryos, "you're doing this as a lifesaving procedure most of the time," Taranissi said. For years, families with sick children have conceived babies without costly test-tube procedures, taking a 1-in-4 chance that the child will be a match for the ailing sibling, said University of Wisconsin medical ethicist Norman Fost, who wrote a JAMA editorial. Some have had abortions when standard prenatal testing showed the child would not be a suitable donor, he said. The new procedure, he noted, does not involve abortion and poses no known risks to the embryos. Furthermore, parents seeking donor babies typically are well-intentioned and love the donor children, Fost said. "Of all the reasons people have babies, this would seem to be a wonderful reason. Most reasons are either mindless sex or selfish reasons," he said. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 I am so sorry this has cropped up for you . Yeast sucks. My family doctor put me on probiotics 2 weeks ago for my candida in my intestines. Interesting though, there's no yeast infection in my . I know there are several online tests you can do for candida. I took the results to my family doc and that's how I got diagnosed. I had no idea this was going on. All I know is that I didn't feel good.I am keeping you in my prayers that you will get better quickly and that there's no further yeast problems for you. I found an online candida support link that's on Facebook that I sent to your Facebook account. I'm finding it quite interesting.Love you,Traci"Feeling down? Saddle up." ~Author Unknown From: iluvmy3pets <spinkscl@...>Subject: Interesting news Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 2:15 PM I have a rash on my chest and back. I also have the other Lupus symptoms and so I thought for sure it would come back as a Lupus rash. I had it biopsied and it came back as Pityriasis Versicolor (tinea). I looked this up and it is a fungal/yeast infection on my skin - yikes. Anyhow, it takes a special shampoo to clear up. It makes me wonder if I still have a lot of yeast issues going on inside too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Hi ,So sorry about your rash! I had itching skin above my navel and on the top of my foot. Whenever I used tolnaftate (an antifungal spray powder, it went away.) Once I found out I was toxic though I tried to find a more natural remedy. I saw a lot of people recommending apple cider vinegar and it worked! It's supposed to be good in lightening melasma(another fungus) too. I take ACV baths a couple times a week. I was told to make sure to use Bragg's The Mother brand because it is unfiltered. Also, in my local health newspaper, one of the top naturopaths recommends drinking 1 t of ACV in water a day to rid the body of internal fungi that's out of control. Do you still have to stay away from tea and garlic due to intolerances? On the autism forums, parents talk about what success they've had with biotin and grapefruit seed extract in getting rid of their kids' yeast. I've been on both for a few months. I wonder if coconut oil would be good for the rash too?http://what.a.mess.tribe.net/thread/0faf10db-e742-4bab-a832-45d00a358c84 Good luck! Love, PH >> I have a rash on my chest and back. I also have the other Lupus > symptoms and so I thought for sure it would come back as a Lupus rash. > I had it biopsied and it came back as Pityriasis Versicolor (tinea). I > looked this up and it is a fungal/yeast infection on my skin - yikes. > > Anyhow, it takes a special shampoo to clear up. It makes me wonder if > I still have a lot of yeast issues going on inside too?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Hi PH,I take my sense of humour as seriously as I do my meds, probiotics, surgery, etc., in the battle against implant illness.Well at least I didn't say I didn't have yeast in my .Love you,Traci"Feeling down? Saddle up." ~Author Unknown From: perfecthealth68 <perfecthealth68@...>Subject: Re: Interesting news Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 3:03 PM You are hilarious Traci! Thanks for the laugh. Love, PH > From: iluvmy3pets > <spinkscl@.. .> > Subject: Interesting news > > Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 2:15 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a rash on my chest and back. I also have the other Lupus > > symptoms and so I thought for sure it would come back as a Lupus rash. > > I had it biopsied and it came back as Pityriasis Versicolor (tinea). I > > looked this up and it is a fungal/yeast infection on my skin - yikes. > > > > Anyhow, it takes a special shampoo to clear up. It makes me wonder if > > I still have a lot of yeast issues going on inside too? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Hey Traci, Yeah, I was surprised that some forms of melasma are fungal too. I had only heard it was hormonal related and a side effect of contraceptives. There is definitely some type of hormonal/fungal connection in women but I can't figure it out. I've never been able to take birth control pills due to yeast side effects. See this for natural melasma cures. http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/melasma.html Someone in there writes " I believe liver spots, melasma, age spots, whatever they are called are mostly related to an internal fungal condition " . I never had an age spot until two years ago at 37 and suddenly I had tons of liver spots all over my hands and super dark brown moles all over my chest that appeared out of nowhere...right as I became ill. We had a thread on this long ago about how several of us had moles that cropped up when we got sick. Love, Ph > From: perfecthealth68 <perfecthealth68@...> > Subject: Re: Interesting news > > Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 3:00 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi , > So sorry about your rash! I had itching skin above my navel and on the top of my foot. Whenever I used tolnaftate (an antifungal spray powder, it went away.) Once I found out I was toxic though I tried to find a more natural remedy. I saw a lot of people recommending apple cider vinegar and it worked! It's supposed to be good in lightening melasma(another fungus) too. I take ACV baths a couple times a week. I was told to make sure to use Bragg's The Mother brand because it is unfiltered. > Also, in my local health newspaper, one of the top naturopaths recommends drinking 1 t of ACV in water a day to rid the body of internal fungi that's out of control. Do you still have to stay away from tea and garlic due to intolerances? On the autism forums, parents talk about what success they've had with biotin and grapefruit seed extract in getting rid of their kids' yeast. I've been on both for a few months. > I wonder if coconut oil would be good for the rash too? > http://what. a.mess.tribe. net/thread/ 0faf10db- e742-4bab- a832- 45d00a358c8 4 > Good luck! Love, PH > --- In , " iluvmy3pets " <spinkscl@> wrote: > > > > I have a rash on my chest and back. I also have the other Lupus > > symptoms and so I thought for sure it would come back as a Lupus rash. > > I had it biopsied and it came back as Pityriasis Versicolor (tinea). I > > looked this up and it is a fungal/yeast infection on my skin - yikes. > > > > Anyhow, it takes a special shampoo to clear up. It makes me wonder if > > I still have a lot of yeast issues going on inside too? > > > > --- In , " iluvmy3pets " <spinkscl@> wrote: > > > > I have a rash on my chest and back. I also have the other Lupus > > symptoms and so I thought for sure it would come back as a Lupus rash. > > I had it biopsied and it came back as Pityriasis Versicolor (tinea). I > > looked this up and it is a fungal/yeast infection on my skin - yikes. > > > > Anyhow, it takes a special shampoo to clear up. It makes me wonder if > > I still have a lot of yeast issues going on inside too? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Normally we have 300+ fungal organisms in our body - harmlessly! . . . Just part of the "normal" flora of our bodies. They really don't hurt us. . . What hurts is the imbalance between the bad organisms and the normal, good, organisms we must have to keep everything in check. One of the problems the medical profession has with treating fungal issues is that we all test positive. . . . When they give us antibiotics or steriods, the drugs kill off friend and foe alike. Many of the negative organisms are hardier than the friendly organisms, so the bad ones rebound faster . . . keeping the friendly ones out. Most doctors don't address the resulting fungal issues, or understand that the friendly organisms must be replaced. I found myself explaining this to my ear surgeon just recently . . . To his credit, he was interested and listened. But he didn't even know what a probiotic was! There have been a number of books on the subject written by scholarly writers . . . Yet many in the allopathic medical profession has yet to take the issue seriously. In my dream world, egos would be set aside as the various schools of medicine took time to learn from each other . . . Then maybe we could all get well faster! Rogene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Traci . .. Normally one would start with an antifungal, rather than probiotics . . . However, prescription antifungals can be too strong initially. That's why I like some of the OTC probiotics. . . . The die-off from fungal issues creates toxins that the liver must flush. . . To much, too fast can make you feel horrible and cause liver issues. IMHO, it's best to ease into an antifungal program, then work it for an extended period . . . The friendly guys have to rebuild their own colonies . . . that takes time! Hugs, Rogene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Thanks Rogene,I will tell my family doc about it and will keep you posted. I'm taking OTC probiotics.Love Traci"Feeling down? Saddle up." ~Author Unknown From: saxony01 <saxony01@...>Subject: Re: Interesting news Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 4:57 PM Traci . .. Normally one would start with an antifungal, rather than probiotics . . . However, prescription antifungals can be too strong initially. That's why I like some of the OTC probiotics. . . . The die-off from fungal issues creates toxins that the liver must flush. . . To much, too fast can make you feel horrible and cause liver issues. IMHO, it's best to ease into an antifungal program, then work it for an extended period . . . The friendly guys have to rebuild their own colonies . . . that takes time! Hugs, Rogene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 If we weren't living in a world where almost everything is grown on corporate farms where soils are treated for with fertilizers, herbicides and pesticides . . . then treated with sanitizers and preservatives before shipping and processing, we would be getting natural organisms from the soil - The way nature intended. Then we wouldn't take probiotics to put those organisms back in our bodies. IMHO, we're in the midst of a fungal epidemic that's affecting people of all ages, in all walks of life, dramatically. . . Instead of identifying fungal issues as a problem, they are becoming the new "norm". Those of us who have had the implant experience are dealing with issues at the extreme (high) end of the scale. For us, we can't get better without addressing these issues. Other people, whose issues aren't as severe, can go on for years, never knowing how negatively they are impacted by fungal issues. Rogene Re: Interesting news Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 4:57 PM Traci . .. Normally one would start with an antifungal, rather than probiotics . . . However, prescription antifungals can be too strong initially. That's why I like some of the OTC probiotics. . . . The die-off from fungal issues creates toxins that the liver must flush. . . To much, too fast can make you feel horrible and cause liver issues. IMHO, it's best to ease into an antifungal program, then work it for an extended period . . . The friendly guys have to rebuild their own colonies . . . that takes time! Hugs, Rogene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Thanks PH! You've given me a lot of things to try. Hugs, CLynn > > > > I have a rash on my chest and back. I also have the other Lupus > > symptoms and so I thought for sure it would come back as a Lupus rash. > > I had it biopsied and it came back as Pityriasis Versicolor (tinea). I > > looked this up and it is a fungal/yeast infection on my skin - yikes. > > > > Anyhow, it takes a special shampoo to clear up. It makes me wonder if > > I still have a lot of yeast issues going on inside too? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 HA HA... you make me laugh Traci!! I saw your invite to the facebook group. How are the probiotics working? Hugs, > From: iluvmy3pets > <spinkscl@...> > Subject: Interesting news > > Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 2:15 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a rash on my chest and back. I also have the other Lupus > > symptoms and so I thought for sure it would come back as a Lupus rash. > > I had it biopsied and it came back as Pityriasis Versicolor (tinea). I > > looked this up and it is a fungal/yeast infection on my skin - yikes. > > > > Anyhow, it takes a special shampoo to clear up. It makes me wonder if > > I still have a lot of yeast issues going on inside too? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 Hey , Sorry about the rashes. I also used Apple Cider Vinegar to get rid a fungal infection - I had athletes foot - it took longer than creams do, it took about a month, but I felt good about using it. I used Braggs as well. Sis > > > > I have a rash on my chest and back. I also have the other Lupus > > symptoms and so I thought for sure it would come back as a Lupus rash. > > I had it biopsied and it came back as Pityriasis Versicolor (tinea). I > > looked this up and it is a fungal/yeast infection on my skin - yikes. > > > > Anyhow, it takes a special shampoo to clear up. It makes me wonder if > > I still have a lot of yeast issues going on inside too? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 Hi ladies, I wanted to thank all of you for your support over the last several weeks. Unfortunately, my daughter did decide to go through with her surgery. The surgery went well, she had no reactions to the anesthesia and is recovering quickly. She did have the silicone implants put in. I know in my heart that I did everything humanly possible to stop the procedure. Many of you were a part of that effort and I will always be grateful! On another note, her boyfriend's mother has fibromyalgia. Many of you have mentioned that illness and are receiving treatment for it. I don't know anything about it, but told that I would email my saline support group and ask for advice. Thanks again for all of your support! You are a great group of women and I feel blessed to have been given your support as 's mom. Janineauntsisnj <auntsisnj@...> wrote: Hey ,Sorry about the rashes. I also used Apple Cider Vinegar to get rid a fungal infection - I had athletes foot - it took longer than creams do, it took about a month, but I felt good about using it. I used Braggs as well. Sis > >> > I have a rash on my chest and back. I also have the other Lupus> > symptoms and so I thought for sure it would come back as a Lupus rash.> > I had it biopsied and it came back as Pityriasis Versicolor (tinea). I> > looked this up and it is a fungal/yeast infection on my skin - yikes.> >> > Anyhow, it takes a special shampoo to clear up. It makes me wonder if> > I still have a lot of yeast issues going on inside too?> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 Janine, I'm sorry to hear the news that your daughter went through with this. I sincerely hope that she does not suffer any health consequences as a result. Maybe she will be one of the lucky ones...and I pray that any future children she may have will also be lucky and be spared any long term health issues. I hope that if things do start creeping up on her that she will not reject the notion that the implants may have anything to do with it. Alot of women remain in denial for years, thanks in large part to their doctors who take the politically correct approach, rather than to implicate implants in any way. Fibromyalgia can be treated through detoxing appropriately, and supporting hormonal imbalances. In fact, my mother was just confirmed as having fibromyalgia a few weeks ago, and I sent her copies of letters from a woman who claimed that she beat her fibromyalgia this way. If you are interested in copies of those letters from this group, just let me know, but the bottom line is that deficiencies need to be treated and detoxing is a MUST. Patty > > > > > > I have a rash on my chest and back. I also have the other Lupus > > > symptoms and so I thought for sure it would come back as a Lupus > rash. > > > I had it biopsied and it came back as Pityriasis Versicolor > (tinea). I > > > looked this up and it is a fungal/yeast infection on my skin - > yikes. > > > > > > Anyhow, it takes a special shampoo to clear up. It makes me > wonder if > > > I still have a lot of yeast issues going on inside too? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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