Bee venom

[Guest guest]

Dear Geoff,

Yes, I found it very interesting. The bee venom idea keeps coming around, but

for some reason it keeps getting pooh-poohed. When you commented, " The chemical

in the venom opens the cell wall (a potentially dangerous act for the host BTW, "

was that your way of saying you're not in favor of the procedure?

Ellen

rheumatic Bee Venom

Hi Gang! Geoff here.

For those of you who've been on the list awhile, you'll remember Lisbeth from

New Zealand. Lisbeth was using bee venom for awhile to combat the problem she

was having with lupus. She's on to different modalities now with some

success,

but the bee venom has always stayed with me as curious.

A few days ago my bride and I were watching one of those shows on Discovery or

The Learning Channel or some such about bees, and especially bee venom. (I

know

it wasn't a UC broadcast, it was far too interesting and easy not to snooze.)

The show was new (2003) so the info was probably not a lot more than 18 months

out of date. <BG> Scientists continued, and continue, to be intrigued by the

properties of bee venom. People get injected with it (by the bee) and in

adequate amounts swelling in joints (inflammation) is significantly reduced or

removed, healing process occurs noted by warmth, etc., and people with joint

issues get better. Probably not all people or we'd all have hives in our

yards

and homes.

So they've been analyzing the venom with all of our state-of-the-art,

know-it-all, " gee whiz " , technology. " They " have isolated 45 chemical

compounds

in bee venom, a true breakthrough. " They've " only been able to identify 12 of

the 45, but that's OK. One of the 12 causes cell walls to " open " revealing

the

contents of the cells.

Let that sink in...

1. Mycoplasma, a cell-wall deficient quasi-bacterium/parasite we

know

and accept as fact inhabits human cells.

2. These inhabited cells appear normal and healthy to scientific

research until such time as the bacterium exits the cell to reproduce after

which it re-enters or enters new cells.

3. Our " gee-whiz " technology is unable to identify inhabited cells;

the only way we can " detect " mycoplasma is by finding traces of their stray

DNA

free-floating in blood sera like effluvia in a river downstream from the

sewage

pipe.

4. The chemical in the venom opens the cell wall (a potentially

dange

rous act for the host, BTW) and there is a known and recognized healing

process

characterized by localized fever, etc., and that joint gets better.

Thought y'all might find that little factoid interesting.

Geoff

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[Guest guest]

Ellen,

Imagine the position of a T-Cell, roughly 1/100th the size of a regular cell and

able to detect the presence of an invasive organism inside that cell but unable

to get to the organism through the cell's intact wall. It stands guard and

sends out a chemical alarm for help, thousands of T-Cells arrive and they begin

trying to dismantle what " science " believes to be a perfectly good cell, since

science is unable to " see " the invader.

Now imagine that cell's wall is opened by this chemical in the venom and that

lonely T-Cell has access to attack the invasive organism, which now has no

defense since its entire defense is one of being hidden from view and protected

by the victim/host.

I see great potential, but I really, really, really hate being stung by

anything. ;-)

I think we also have potential with mega-doses of IV ascorbic acid, and I do

not discount the approach Dr. Mercola has been working on. Those in medicine

and research know full well that healing is done by the patient, not the drugs.

Geoff

Re: rheumatic Bee Venom

>

>

> Dear Geoff,

>

> Yes, I found it very interesting. The bee venom idea keeps coming around,

but

> for some reason it keeps getting pooh-poohed. When you commented, " The

> chemical in the venom opens the cell wall (a potentially dangerous act for the

> host BTW, " was that your way of saying you're not in favor of the procedure?

>

> Ellen

[Guest guest]

Beverly, it's just a question of timing. I joined the group in early

January and at the time there was quite a lot of dicusssion about bee

stings. If you go back to posts from the beginning of 2004, you'll find

them.