Re: Re: Fw: [mscured] s great information

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Aegis......

Maybe Aegis would like to advise Epousebar on the effects of anti-biotics on starting LDN.

Epousebar needs some consoling, and since you wrote such a nice welcoming letter......

I chose to start at a bad time (7 days ago.) A heavy dose of the flu which led to a UTI for which I really had to take anti-biotics,a few days after starting 4.5gr of LDN.

Now feeling the worst effects of MS including historic effects not felt for some time Could it be the timing and/or the anti-biotics.

Thanks for your advise,

Epousebar

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From: low dose naltrexone

Date: Saturday, 12 June 2004 6:53:53 AM

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Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Fw: [mscured] s great information

Aegis thinks is pandering to the masses. The good doctor needs to join politics and leave medicine. > > *************************************************************> > I know I don't need to restate this, but I will for the> > record: I think most prescription drugs are needless, and> > most are downright detrimental to your health. What crap, the two most commonly presecribed drug classes are pain killers and antibiotics. These are life saving drugs. Remember, the next time you are in pain, or need antibiotics, skip them on the advise of Mr.s.That having> > been said, I also know that most doctors deal out> > prescriptions like they're Halloween candy, and that most> > patients do what their doctors tell them to - which means> > somehow getting those prescriptions filled without going> > bankrupt. Patients demand antibiotics and other drugs, docs oblige when they agree. Medicine is a business, if the doc does not follow your dictates, what do people do, change docs. How easy has it been to get your doc to prescribe LDN ?.So consider:> >> > Fact #1: The pharmaceutical industry is this country's most> > profitable business.So whats wrong with that ?. Perhaps Mr. s should go and live in Zambia. Aegis hears that the pharmaceutical companies are not doing too well over there.> > Fact #2: Americans pay more for prescription drugs than> > citizens of any other country.That's because they earn 10 x more. Drugs are expensive all over the world when priced in native currencies. You can ask the canadians/mexicans or even the Zambians if they find the drugs cheap ?.> >> > Fact #3: More than a million Americans save money by buying> > their prescription drugs in Canada. And technically, this> > makes every one of these people a criminal.This is a technical loophole that is being misapplied. The idea is that the FDA does not want shopkeepers importing cheap drugs from thirld world and other countries that can harm Americans. It would be unfair to say that drugs from Zambia cannot be imported, while those from Canada can be imported. Therefore, the FDA discourages it. If they were to allow it, what is to stop some unscrupulous drug dealers from Zambia (as an example only), setting up shop in Canada for export to the US ?. Imagine getting your copaxone or other drug being made in a country which has lower quality standards ?.>> > I'll tell you what the difference is: A 50% greater profit> > for the drug's manufacturer!Does Mr. know how much it costs to develop a drug ?. For every one drug that makes it to the markets, thousands of compounds dont. Can we ethically expect the Zambians to share in the drug development as opposed to manufacturing costs ?, when they dont have enough to eat. Once the drug has been identified, it is quite cheap to manufacture it, but who pays for identifying the drug in the first place ?. So if the costs of developing the drug are high, these are being ploughed back into the economy. Lets say the companies spends a million on reagent A, the raw materials for this are likely purchased from company B, who in turn gives business to company C and so on.So let's say the pharma company finally makes a profit, and its stock price goes up, who owns the company shares, its the American public.Has the brilliant Mr. thought what happens if Pharma goes bankrupt ?. Who will develop the new MS drugs ?. Aegis> >> >

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Espousebar...

I have always had my worst flare ups as well as temporary increases in symptoms following a course of antibiotics. I've learned to avoid antibiotics unless seriously in need of them. Last summer I did take Cipro for a UTI, and experienced a reduction in overall strength that I have yet to regain. Of course the UTI can't be left untreated, so I don't know what the answer is there...

Following the antibiotic have you taken probiotics to normalize your gut flora? Maybe they will help you get back to normal.

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From: barreanne

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Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 8:27 PM

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Fw: [mscured] s great information

Aegis......

Maybe Aegis would like to advise Epousebar on the effects of anti-biotics on starting LDN.

Epousebar needs some consoling, and since you wrote such a nice welcoming letter......

I chose to start at a bad time (7 days ago.) A heavy dose of the flu which led to a UTI for which I really had to take anti-biotics,a few days after starting 4.5gr of LDN.

Now feeling the worst effects of MS including historic effects not felt for some time Could it be the timing and/or the anti-biotics.

Thanks for your advise,

Epousebar

-------Original Message-------

From: low dose naltrexone

Date: Saturday, 12 June 2004 6:53:53 AM

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Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Fw: [mscured] s great information

Aegis thinks is pandering to the masses. The good doctor needs to join politics and leave medicine. > > *************************************************************> > I know I don't need to restate this, but I will for the> > record: I think most prescription drugs are needless, and> > most are downright detrimental to your health. What crap, the two most commonly presecribed drug classes are pain killers and antibiotics. These are life saving drugs. Remember, the next time you are in pain, or need antibiotics, skip them on the advise of Mr.s.That having> > been said, I also know that most doctors deal out> > prescriptions like they're Halloween candy, and that most> > patients do what their doctors tell them to - which means> > somehow getting those prescriptions filled without going> > bankrupt. Patients demand antibiotics and other drugs, docs oblige when they agree. Medicine is a business, if the doc does not follow your dictates, what do people do, change docs. How easy has it been to get your doc to prescribe LDN ?.So consider:> >> > Fact #1: The pharmaceutical industry is this country's most> > profitable business.So whats wrong with that ?. Perhaps Mr. s should go and live in Zambia. Aegis hears that the pharmaceutical companies are not doing too well over there.> > Fact #2: Americans pay more for prescription drugs than> > citizens of any other country.That's because they earn 10 x more. Drugs are expensive all over the world when priced in native currencies. You can ask the canadians/mexicans or even the Zambians if they find the drugs cheap ?.> >> > Fact #3: More than a million Americans save money by buying> > their prescription drugs in Canada. And technically, this> > makes every one of these people a criminal.This is a technical loophole that is being misapplied. The idea is that the FDA does not want shopkeepers importing cheap drugs from thirld world and other countries that can harm Americans. It would be unfair to say that drugs from Zambia cannot be imported, while those from Canada can be imported. Therefore, the FDA discourages it. If they were to allow it, what is to stop some unscrupulous drug dealers from Zambia (as an example only), setting up shop in Canada for export to the US ?. Imagine getting your copaxone or other drug being made in a country which has lower quality standards ?.>> > I'll tell you what the difference is: A 50% greater profit> > for the drug's manufacturer!Does Mr. know how much it costs to develop a drug ?. For every one drug that makes it to the markets, thousands of compounds dont. Can we ethically expect the Zambians to share in the drug development as opposed to manufacturing costs ?, when they dont have enough to eat. Once the drug has been identified, it is quite cheap to manufacture it, but who pays for identifying the drug in the first place ?. So if the costs of developing the drug are high, these are being ploughed back into the economy. Lets say the companies spends a million on reagent A, the raw materials for this are likely purchased from company B, who in turn gives business to company C and so on.So let's say the pharma company finally makes a profit, and its stock price goes up, who owns the company shares, its the American public.Has the brilliant Mr. thought what happens if Pharma goes bankrupt ?. Who will develop the new MS drugs ?. Aegis> >> >

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thanks for your speedy reply,

Yes, I will be taking acidopholus after finishing my course and not surprised at your reaction to the antibiotics, there was one penicillin course I did that made me really ill.

Epousebar

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From: low dose naltrexone

Date: Saturday, 12 June 2004 2:12:21 PM

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Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Fw: [mscured] s great information

Espousebar...

I have always had my worst flare ups as well as temporary increases in symptoms following a course of antibiotics. I've learned to avoid antibiotics unless seriously in need of them. Last summer I did take Cipro for a UTI, and experienced a reduction in overall strength that I have yet to regain. Of course the UTI can't be left untreated, so I don't know what the answer is there...

Following the antibiotic have you taken probiotics to normalize your gut flora? Maybe they will help you get back to normal.

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From: barreanne

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Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 8:27 PM

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Fw: [mscured] s great information

Aegis......

Maybe Aegis would like to advise Epousebar on the effects of anti-biotics on starting LDN.

Epousebar needs some consoling, and since you wrote such a nice welcoming letter......

I chose to start at a bad time (7 days ago.) A heavy dose of the flu which led to a UTI for which I really had to take anti-biotics,a few days after starting 4.5gr of LDN.

Now feeling the worst effects of MS including historic effects not felt for some time Could it be the timing and/or the anti-biotics.

Thanks for your advise,

Epousebar

-------Original Message-------

From: low dose naltrexone

Date: Saturday, 12 June 2004 6:53:53 AM

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Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Fw: [mscured] s great information

Aegis thinks is pandering to the masses. The good doctor needs to join politics and leave medicine. > > *************************************************************> > I know I don't need to restate this, but I will for the> > record: I think most prescription drugs are needless, and> > most are downright detrimental to your health. What crap, the two most commonly presecribed drug classes are pain killers and antibiotics. These are life saving drugs. Remember, the next time you are in pain, or need antibiotics, skip them on the advise of Mr.s.That having> > been said, I also know that most doctors deal out> > prescriptions like they're Halloween candy, and that most> > patients do what their doctors tell them to - which means> > somehow getting those prescriptions filled without going> > bankrupt. Patients demand antibiotics and other drugs, docs oblige when they agree. Medicine is a business, if the doc does not follow your dictates, what do people do, change docs. How easy has it been to get your doc to prescribe LDN ?.So consider:> >> > Fact #1: The pharmaceutical industry is this country's most> > profitable business.So whats wrong with that ?. Perhaps Mr. s should go and live in Zambia. Aegis hears that the pharmaceutical companies are not doing too well over there.> > Fact #2: Americans pay more for prescription drugs than> > citizens of any other country.That's because they earn 10 x more. Drugs are expensive all over the world when priced in native currencies. You can ask the canadians/mexicans or even the Zambians if they find the drugs cheap ?.> >> > Fact #3: More than a million Americans save money by buying> > their prescription drugs in Canada. And technically, this> > makes every one of these people a criminal.This is a technical loophole that is being misapplied. The idea is that the FDA does not want shopkeepers importing cheap drugs from thirld world and other countries that can harm Americans. It would be unfair to say that drugs from Zambia cannot be imported, while those from Canada can be imported. Therefore, the FDA discourages it. If they were to allow it, what is to stop some unscrupulous drug dealers from Zambia (as an example only), setting up shop in Canada for export to the US ?. Imagine getting your copaxone or other drug being made in a country which has lower quality standards ?.>> > I'll tell you what the difference is: A 50% greater profit> > for the drug's manufacturer!Does Mr. know how much it costs to develop a drug ?. For every one drug that makes it to the markets, thousands of compounds dont. Can we ethically expect the Zambians to share in the drug development as opposed to manufacturing costs ?, when they dont have enough to eat. Once the drug has been identified, it is quite cheap to manufacture it, but who pays for identifying the drug in the first place ?. So if the costs of developing the drug are high, these are being ploughed back into the economy. Lets say the companies spends a million on reagent A, the raw materials for this are likely purchased from company B, who in turn gives business to company C and so on.So let's say the pharma company finally makes a profit, and its stock price goes up, who owns the company shares, its the American public.Has the brilliant Mr. thought what happens if Pharma goes bankrupt ?. Who will develop the new MS drugs ?. Aegis> >> >

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And of course lots of water. That's always a problem for me. I just don't drink enough, I don't get thirsty, then when I realize I haven't had anything to drink all day I'll get a glass of water and find myself chugging a full glass and going back for more. I'm so hard to train...

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From: barreanne

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Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 9:22 PM

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Fw: [mscured] s great information

thanks for your speedy reply,

Yes, I will be taking acidopholus after finishing my course and not surprised at your reaction to the antibiotics, there was one penicillin course I did that made me really ill.

Epousebar

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From: low dose naltrexone

Date: Saturday, 12 June 2004 2:12:21 PM

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Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Fw: [mscured] s great information

Espousebar...

I have always had my worst flare ups as well as temporary increases in symptoms following a course of antibiotics. I've learned to avoid antibiotics unless seriously in need of them. Last summer I did take Cipro for a UTI, and experienced a reduction in overall strength that I have yet to regain. Of course the UTI can't be left untreated, so I don't know what the answer is there...

Following the antibiotic have you taken probiotics to normalize your gut flora? Maybe they will help you get back to normal.

----- Original Message -----

From: barreanne

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Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 8:27 PM

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Fw: [mscured] s great information

Aegis......

Maybe Aegis would like to advise Epousebar on the effects of anti-biotics on starting LDN.

Epousebar needs some consoling, and since you wrote such a nice welcoming letter......

I chose to start at a bad time (7 days ago.) A heavy dose of the flu which led to a UTI for which I really had to take anti-biotics,a few days after starting 4.5gr of LDN.

Now feeling the worst effects of MS including historic effects not felt for some time Could it be the timing and/or the anti-biotics.

Thanks for your advise,

Epousebar

-------Original Message-------

From: low dose naltrexone

Date: Saturday, 12 June 2004 6:53:53 AM

low dose naltrexone

Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Fw: [mscured] s great information

Aegis thinks is pandering to the masses. The good doctor needs to join politics and leave medicine. > > *************************************************************> > I know I don't need to restate this, but I will for the> > record: I think most prescription drugs are needless, and> > most are downright detrimental to your health. What crap, the two most commonly presecribed drug classes are pain killers and antibiotics. These are life saving drugs. Remember, the next time you are in pain, or need antibiotics, skip them on the advise of Mr.s.That having> > been said, I also know that most doctors deal out> > prescriptions like they're Halloween candy, and that most> > patients do what their doctors tell them to - which means> > somehow getting those prescriptions filled without going> > bankrupt. Patients demand antibiotics and other drugs, docs oblige when they agree. Medicine is a business, if the doc does not follow your dictates, what do people do, change docs. How easy has it been to get your doc to prescribe LDN ?.So consider:> >> > Fact #1: The pharmaceutical industry is this country's most> > profitable business.So whats wrong with that ?. Perhaps Mr. s should go and live in Zambia. Aegis hears that the pharmaceutical companies are not doing too well over there.> > Fact #2: Americans pay more for prescription drugs than> > citizens of any other country.That's because they earn 10 x more. Drugs are expensive all over the world when priced in native currencies. You can ask the canadians/mexicans or even the Zambians if they find the drugs cheap ?.> >> > Fact #3: More than a million Americans save money by buying> > their prescription drugs in Canada. And technically, this> > makes every one of these people a criminal.This is a technical loophole that is being misapplied. The idea is that the FDA does not want shopkeepers importing cheap drugs from thirld world and other countries that can harm Americans. It would be unfair to say that drugs from Zambia cannot be imported, while those from Canada can be imported. Therefore, the FDA discourages it. If they were to allow it, what is to stop some unscrupulous drug dealers from Zambia (as an example only), setting up shop in Canada for export to the US ?. Imagine getting your copaxone or other drug being made in a country which has lower quality standards ?.>> > I'll tell you what the difference is: A 50% greater profit> > for the drug's manufacturer!Does Mr. know how much it costs to develop a drug ?. For every one drug that makes it to the markets, thousands of compounds dont. Can we ethically expect the Zambians to share in the drug development as opposed to manufacturing costs ?, when they dont have enough to eat. Once the drug has been identified, it is quite cheap to manufacture it, but who pays for identifying the drug in the first place ?. So if the costs of developing the drug are high, these are being ploughed back into the economy. Lets say the companies spends a million on reagent A, the raw materials for this are likely purchased from company B, who in turn gives business to company C and so on.So let's say the pharma company finally makes a profit, and its stock price goes up, who owns the company shares, its the American public.Has the brilliant Mr. thought what happens if Pharma goes bankrupt ?. Who will develop the new MS drugs ?. Aegis> >> >

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,

Ditto for me. It seems to be one of the hardest things to remember

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From: low dose naltrexone

Date: Saturday, 12 June 2004 2:28:08 PM

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Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Fw: [mscured] s great information

And of course lots of water. That's always a problem for me. I just don't drink enough, I don't get thirsty, then when I realize I haven't had anything to drink all day I'll get a glass of water and find myself chugging a full glass and going back for more. I'm so hard to train...

----- Original Message -----

From: barreanne

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Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 9:22 PM

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Fw: [mscured] s great information

thanks for your speedy reply,

Yes, I will be taking acidopholus after finishing my course and not surprised at your reaction to the antibiotics, there was one penicillin course I did that made me really ill.

Epousebar

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From: low dose naltrexone

Date: Saturday, 12 June 2004 2:12:21 PM

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Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Fw: [mscured] s great information

Espousebar...

I have always had my worst flare ups as well as temporary increases in symptoms following a course of antibiotics. I've learned to avoid antibiotics unless seriously in need of them. Last summer I did take Cipro for a UTI, and experienced a reduction in overall strength that I have yet to regain. Of course the UTI can't be left untreated, so I don't know what the answer is there...

Following the antibiotic have you taken probiotics to normalize your gut flora? Maybe they will help you get back to normal.

----- Original Message -----

From: barreanne

low dose naltrexone

Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 8:27 PM

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Fw: [mscured] s great information

Aegis......

Maybe Aegis would like to advise Epousebar on the effects of anti-biotics on starting LDN.

Epousebar needs some consoling, and since you wrote such a nice welcoming letter......

I chose to start at a bad time (7 days ago.) A heavy dose of the flu which led to a UTI for which I really had to take anti-biotics,a few days after starting 4.5gr of LDN.

Now feeling the worst effects of MS including historic effects not felt for some time Could it be the timing and/or the anti-biotics.

Thanks for your advise,

Epousebar

-------Original Message-------

From: low dose naltrexone

Date: Saturday, 12 June 2004 6:53:53 AM

low dose naltrexone

Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Fw: [mscured] s great information

Aegis thinks is pandering to the masses. The good doctor needs to join politics and leave medicine. > > *************************************************************> > I know I don't need to restate this, but I will for the> > record: I think most prescription drugs are needless, and> > most are downright detrimental to your health. What crap, the two most commonly presecribed drug classes are pain killers and antibiotics. These are life saving drugs. Remember, the next time you are in pain, or need antibiotics, skip them on the advise of Mr.s.That having> > been said, I also know that most doctors deal out> > prescriptions like they're Halloween candy, and that most> > patients do what their doctors tell them to - which means> > somehow getting those prescriptions filled without going> > bankrupt. Patients demand antibiotics and other drugs, docs oblige when they agree. Medicine is a business, if the doc does not follow your dictates, what do people do, change docs. How easy has it been to get your doc to prescribe LDN ?.So consider:> >> > Fact #1: The pharmaceutical industry is this country's most> > profitable business.So whats wrong with that ?. Perhaps Mr. s should go and live in Zambia. Aegis hears that the pharmaceutical companies are not doing too well over there.> > Fact #2: Americans pay more for prescription drugs than> > citizens of any other country.That's because they earn 10 x more. Drugs are expensive all over the world when priced in native currencies. You can ask the canadians/mexicans or even the Zambians if they find the drugs cheap ?.> >> > Fact #3: More than a million Americans save money by buying> > their prescription drugs in Canada. And technically, this> > makes every one of these people a criminal.This is a technical loophole that is being misapplied. The idea is that the FDA does not want shopkeepers importing cheap drugs from thirld world and other countries that can harm Americans. It would be unfair to say that drugs from Zambia cannot be imported, while those from Canada can be imported. Therefore, the FDA discourages it. If they were to allow it, what is to stop some unscrupulous drug dealers from Zambia (as an example only), setting up shop in Canada for export to the US ?. Imagine getting your copaxone or other drug being made in a country which has lower quality standards ?.>> > I'll tell you what the difference is: A 50% greater profit> > for the drug's manufacturer!Does Mr. know how much it costs to develop a drug ?. For every one drug that makes it to the markets, thousands of compounds dont. Can we ethically expect the Zambians to share in the drug development as opposed to manufacturing costs ?, when they dont have enough to eat. Once the drug has been identified, it is quite cheap to manufacture it, but who pays for identifying the drug in the first place ?. So if the costs of developing the drug are high, these are being ploughed back into the economy. Lets say the companies spends a million on reagent A, the raw materials for this are likely purchased from company B, who in turn gives business to company C and so on.So let's say the pharma company finally makes a profit, and its stock price goes up, who owns the company shares, its the American public.Has the brilliant Mr. thought what happens if Pharma goes bankrupt ?. Who will develop the new MS drugs ?. Aegis> >> >

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Okay, so we're both going right now for a nice glass of water. Right???

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From: barreanne

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Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 9:30 PM

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Fw: [mscured] s great information

,

Ditto for me. It seems to be one of the hardest things to remember

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From: low dose naltrexone

Date: Saturday, 12 June 2004 2:28:08 PM

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Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Fw: [mscured] s great information

And of course lots of water. That's always a problem for me. I just don't drink enough, I don't get thirsty, then when I realize I haven't had anything to drink all day I'll get a glass of water and find myself chugging a full glass and going back for more. I'm so hard to train...

----- Original Message -----

From: barreanne

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Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 9:22 PM

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Fw: [mscured] s great information

thanks for your speedy reply,

Yes, I will be taking acidopholus after finishing my course and not surprised at your reaction to the antibiotics, there was one penicillin course I did that made me really ill.

Epousebar

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From: low dose naltrexone

Date: Saturday, 12 June 2004 2:12:21 PM

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Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Fw: [mscured] s great information

Espousebar...

I have always had my worst flare ups as well as temporary increases in symptoms following a course of antibiotics. I've learned to avoid antibiotics unless seriously in need of them. Last summer I did take Cipro for a UTI, and experienced a reduction in overall strength that I have yet to regain. Of course the UTI can't be left untreated, so I don't know what the answer is there...

Following the antibiotic have you taken probiotics to normalize your gut flora? Maybe they will help you get back to normal.

----- Original Message -----

From: barreanne

low dose naltrexone

Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 8:27 PM

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Fw: [mscured] s great information

Aegis......

Maybe Aegis would like to advise Epousebar on the effects of anti-biotics on starting LDN.

Epousebar needs some consoling, and since you wrote such a nice welcoming letter......

I chose to start at a bad time (7 days ago.) A heavy dose of the flu which led to a UTI for which I really had to take anti-biotics,a few days after starting 4.5gr of LDN.

Now feeling the worst effects of MS including historic effects not felt for some time Could it be the timing and/or the anti-biotics.

Thanks for your advise,

Epousebar

-------Original Message-------

From: low dose naltrexone

Date: Saturday, 12 June 2004 6:53:53 AM

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Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Fw: [mscured] s great information

Aegis thinks is pandering to the masses. The good doctor needs to join politics and leave medicine. > > *************************************************************> > I know I don't need to restate this, but I will for the> > record: I think most prescription drugs are needless, and> > most are downright detrimental to your health. What crap, the two most commonly presecribed drug classes are pain killers and antibiotics. These are life saving drugs. Remember, the next time you are in pain, or need antibiotics, skip them on the advise of Mr.s.That having> > been said, I also know that most doctors deal out> > prescriptions like they're Halloween candy, and that most> > patients do what their doctors tell them to - which means> > somehow getting those prescriptions filled without going> > bankrupt. Patients demand antibiotics and other drugs, docs oblige when they agree. Medicine is a business, if the doc does not follow your dictates, what do people do, change docs. How easy has it been to get your doc to prescribe LDN ?.So consider:> >> > Fact #1: The pharmaceutical industry is this country's most> > profitable business.So whats wrong with that ?. Perhaps Mr. s should go and live in Zambia. Aegis hears that the pharmaceutical companies are not doing too well over there.> > Fact #2: Americans pay more for prescription drugs than> > citizens of any other country.That's because they earn 10 x more. Drugs are expensive all over the world when priced in native currencies. You can ask the canadians/mexicans or even the Zambians if they find the drugs cheap ?.> >> > Fact #3: More than a million Americans save money by buying> > their prescription drugs in Canada. And technically, this> > makes every one of these people a criminal.This is a technical loophole that is being misapplied. The idea is that the FDA does not want shopkeepers importing cheap drugs from thirld world and other countries that can harm Americans. It would be unfair to say that drugs from Zambia cannot be imported, while those from Canada can be imported. Therefore, the FDA discourages it. If they were to allow it, what is to stop some unscrupulous drug dealers from Zambia (as an example only), setting up shop in Canada for export to the US ?. Imagine getting your copaxone or other drug being made in a country which has lower quality standards ?.>> > I'll tell you what the difference is: A 50% greater profit> > for the drug's manufacturer!Does Mr. know how much it costs to develop a drug ?. For every one drug that makes it to the markets, thousands of compounds dont. Can we ethically expect the Zambians to share in the drug development as opposed to manufacturing costs ?, when they dont have enough to eat. Once the drug has been identified, it is quite cheap to manufacture it, but who pays for identifying the drug in the first place ?. So if the costs of developing the drug are high, these are being ploughed back into the economy. Lets say the companies spends a million on reagent A, the raw materials for this are likely purchased from company B, who in turn gives business to company C and so on.So let's say the pharma company finally makes a profit, and its stock price goes up, who owns the company shares, its the American public.Has the brilliant Mr. thought what happens if Pharma goes bankrupt ?. Who will develop the new MS drugs ?. Aegis> >> >

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right, then a glass of cranberry juice.....

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From: low dose naltrexone

Date: Saturday, 12 June 2004 2:37:04 PM

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Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Fw: [mscured] s great information

Okay, so we're both going right now for a nice glass of water. Right???

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From: barreanne

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Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 9:30 PM

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Fw: [mscured] s great information

,

Ditto for me. It seems to be one of the hardest things to remember

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From: low dose naltrexone

Date: Saturday, 12 June 2004 2:28:08 PM

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Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Fw: [mscured] s great information

And of course lots of water. That's always a problem for me. I just don't drink enough, I don't get thirsty, then when I realize I haven't had anything to drink all day I'll get a glass of water and find myself chugging a full glass and going back for more. I'm so hard to train...

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From: barreanne

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Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 9:22 PM

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Fw: [mscured] s great information

thanks for your speedy reply,

Yes, I will be taking acidopholus after finishing my course and not surprised at your reaction to the antibiotics, there was one penicillin course I did that made me really ill.

Epousebar

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From: low dose naltrexone

Date: Saturday, 12 June 2004 2:12:21 PM

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Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Fw: [mscured] s great information

Espousebar...

I have always had my worst flare ups as well as temporary increases in symptoms following a course of antibiotics. I've learned to avoid antibiotics unless seriously in need of them. Last summer I did take Cipro for a UTI, and experienced a reduction in overall strength that I have yet to regain. Of course the UTI can't be left untreated, so I don't know what the answer is there...

Following the antibiotic have you taken probiotics to normalize your gut flora? Maybe they will help you get back to normal.

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From: barreanne

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Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 8:27 PM

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Fw: [mscured] s great information

Aegis......

Maybe Aegis would like to advise Epousebar on the effects of anti-biotics on starting LDN.

Epousebar needs some consoling, and since you wrote such a nice welcoming letter......

I chose to start at a bad time (7 days ago.) A heavy dose of the flu which led to a UTI for which I really had to take anti-biotics,a few days after starting 4.5gr of LDN.

Now feeling the worst effects of MS including historic effects not felt for some time Could it be the timing and/or the anti-biotics.

Thanks for your advise,

Epousebar

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From: low dose naltrexone

Date: Saturday, 12 June 2004 6:53:53 AM

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Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Fw: [mscured] s great information

Aegis thinks is pandering to the masses. The good doctor needs to join politics and leave medicine. > > *************************************************************> > I know I don't need to restate this, but I will for the> > record: I think most prescription drugs are needless, and> > most are downright detrimental to your health. What crap, the two most commonly presecribed drug classes are pain killers and antibiotics. These are life saving drugs. Remember, the next time you are in pain, or need antibiotics, skip them on the advise of Mr.s.That having> > been said, I also know that most doctors deal out> > prescriptions like they're Halloween candy, and that most> > patients do what their doctors tell them to - which means> > somehow getting those prescriptions filled without going> > bankrupt. Patients demand antibiotics and other drugs, docs oblige when they agree. Medicine is a business, if the doc does not follow your dictates, what do people do, change docs. How easy has it been to get your doc to prescribe LDN ?.So consider:> >> > Fact #1: The pharmaceutical industry is this country's most> > profitable business.So whats wrong with that ?. Perhaps Mr. s should go and live in Zambia. Aegis hears that the pharmaceutical companies are not doing too well over there.> > Fact #2: Americans pay more for prescription drugs than> > citizens of any other country.That's because they earn 10 x more. Drugs are expensive all over the world when priced in native currencies. You can ask the canadians/mexicans or even the Zambians if they find the drugs cheap ?.> >> > Fact #3: More than a million Americans save money by buying> > their prescription drugs in Canada. And technically, this> > makes every one of these people a criminal.This is a technical loophole that is being misapplied. The idea is that the FDA does not want shopkeepers importing cheap drugs from thirld world and other countries that can harm Americans. It would be unfair to say that drugs from Zambia cannot be imported, while those from Canada can be imported. Therefore, the FDA discourages it. If they were to allow it, what is to stop some unscrupulous drug dealers from Zambia (as an example only), setting up shop in Canada for export to the US ?. Imagine getting your copaxone or other drug being made in a country which has lower quality standards ?.>> > I'll tell you what the difference is: A 50% greater profit> > for the drug's manufacturer!Does Mr. know how much it costs to develop a drug ?. For every one drug that makes it to the markets, thousands of compounds dont. Can we ethically expect the Zambians to share in the drug development as opposed to manufacturing costs ?, when they dont have enough to eat. Once the drug has been identified, it is quite cheap to manufacture it, but who pays for identifying the drug in the first place ?. So if the costs of developing the drug are high, these are being ploughed back into the economy. Lets say the companies spends a million on reagent A, the raw materials for this are likely purchased from company B, who in turn gives business to company C and so on.So let's say the pharma company finally makes a profit, and its stock price goes up, who owns the company shares, its the American public.Has the brilliant Mr. thought what happens if Pharma goes bankrupt ?. Who will develop the new MS drugs ?. Aegis> >> >

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Judith,

Where are u?? Everyone fast asleep in here

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From: low dose naltrexone

Date: Saturday, 12 June 2004 2:12:21 PM

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Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Fw: [mscured] s great information

Espousebar...

I have always had my worst flare ups as well as temporary increases in symptoms following a course of antibiotics. I've learned to avoid antibiotics unless seriously in need of them. Last summer I did take Cipro for a UTI, and experienced a reduction in overall strength that I have yet to regain. Of course the UTI can't be left untreated, so I don't know what the answer is there...

Following the antibiotic have you taken probiotics to normalize your gut flora? Maybe they will help you get back to normal.

----- Original Message -----

From: barreanne

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Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 8:27 PM

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Fw: [mscured] s great information

Aegis......

Maybe Aegis would like to advise Epousebar on the effects of anti-biotics on starting LDN.

Epousebar needs some consoling, and since you wrote such a nice welcoming letter......

I chose to start at a bad time (7 days ago.) A heavy dose of the flu which led to a UTI for which I really had to take anti-biotics,a few days after starting 4.5gr of LDN.

Now feeling the worst effects of MS including historic effects not felt for some time Could it be the timing and/or the anti-biotics.

Thanks for your advise,

Epousebar

-------Original Message-------

From: low dose naltrexone

Date: Saturday, 12 June 2004 6:53:53 AM

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Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Fw: [mscured] s great information

Aegis thinks is pandering to the masses. The good doctor needs to join politics and leave medicine. > > *************************************************************> > I know I don't need to restate this, but I will for the> > record: I think most prescription drugs are needless, and> > most are downright detrimental to your health. What crap, the two most commonly presecribed drug classes are pain killers and antibiotics. These are life saving drugs. Remember, the next time you are in pain, or need antibiotics, skip them on the advise of Mr.s.That having> > been said, I also know that most doctors deal out> > prescriptions like they're Halloween candy, and that most> > patients do what their doctors tell them to - which means> > somehow getting those prescriptions filled without going> > bankrupt. Patients demand antibiotics and other drugs, docs oblige when they agree. Medicine is a business, if the doc does not follow your dictates, what do people do, change docs. How easy has it been to get your doc to prescribe LDN ?.So consider:> >> > Fact #1: The pharmaceutical industry is this country's most> > profitable business.So whats wrong with that ?. Perhaps Mr. s should go and live in Zambia. Aegis hears that the pharmaceutical companies are not doing too well over there.> > Fact #2: Americans pay more for prescription drugs than> > citizens of any other country.That's because they earn 10 x more. Drugs are expensive all over the world when priced in native currencies. You can ask the canadians/mexicans or even the Zambians if they find the drugs cheap ?.> >> > Fact #3: More than a million Americans save money by buying> > their prescription drugs in Canada. And technically, this> > makes every one of these people a criminal.This is a technical loophole that is being misapplied. The idea is that the FDA does not want shopkeepers importing cheap drugs from thirld world and other countries that can harm Americans. It would be unfair to say that drugs from Zambia cannot be imported, while those from Canada can be imported. Therefore, the FDA discourages it. If they were to allow it, what is to stop some unscrupulous drug dealers from Zambia (as an example only), setting up shop in Canada for export to the US ?. Imagine getting your copaxone or other drug being made in a country which has lower quality standards ?.>> > I'll tell you what the difference is: A 50% greater profit> > for the drug's manufacturer!Does Mr. know how much it costs to develop a drug ?. For every one drug that makes it to the markets, thousands of compounds dont. Can we ethically expect the Zambians to share in the drug development as opposed to manufacturing costs ?, when they dont have enough to eat. Once the drug has been identified, it is quite cheap to manufacture it, but who pays for identifying the drug in the first place ?. So if the costs of developing the drug are high, these are being ploughed back into the economy. Lets say the companies spends a million on reagent A, the raw materials for this are likely purchased from company B, who in turn gives business to company C and so on.So let's say the pharma company finally makes a profit, and its stock price goes up, who owns the company shares, its the American public.Has the brilliant Mr. thought what happens if Pharma goes bankrupt ?. Who will develop the new MS drugs ?. Aegis> >> >

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This is interesting that you guys brought this up, I know that prior to ldn I was getting a flue or cold or something that I shouldn't have at least once a month, Now that seven months of ldn has passed I can honestly say that there has been no incedence of a viral disease at all.

No I have actually been (except for the odd bad days,I do have M.S. yet)very well.The last flue I had put me in bed completely helpless for three days, I did loose ten pounds though after the week that I was sick,but that's not a good wieght loss program at all.

I think I will not get my flu shot this fall as it may be causing more harm than good.

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From: low dose naltrexone

Date: 06/12/04 06:50:05

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Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Fw: [mscured] s great information

Epousebar: Aegis is not well practiced in the art of consoling, but there are others who are.All Aegis can think of is that the flu causes some real nastiness to otherwise healthy people, the effects on MS patients would likely be felt more. Your use of LDN was incidental.A> Aegis......> > Maybe Aegis would like to advise Epousebar on the effects of anti-biotics on> starting LDN.> Epousebar needs some consoling, and since you wrote such a nice welcoming> letter......> > I chose to start at a bad time (7 days ago.) A heavy dose of the flu which> led to a UTI for which I really had to take anti-biotics,a few days after> starting 4.5gr of LDN.> > Now feeling the worst effects of MS including historic effects not felt for> some time Could it be the timing and/or the anti-biotics.> Thanks for your advise,> > Epousebar> > -------Original Message-------> > From: low dose naltrexone > Date: Saturday, 12 June 2004 6:53:53 AM> low dose naltrexone > Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Fw: [mscured] s> great information> > Aegis thinks is pandering to the masses. The > good doctor needs to join politics and leave medicine. > > > *************************************************************> > > I know I don't need to restate this, but I will for the> > > record: I think most prescription drugs are needless, and> > > most are downright detrimental to your health. > > What crap, the two most commonly presecribed drug classes are pain > killers and antibiotics. These are life saving drugs. Remember, the > next time you are in pain, or need antibiotics, skip them on the > advise of Mr.s.> > That having> > > been said, I also know that most doctors deal out> > > prescriptions like they're Halloween candy, and that most> > > patients do what their doctors tell them to - which means> > > somehow getting those prescriptions filled without going> > > bankrupt. > > Patients demand antibiotics and other drugs, docs oblige when they > agree. Medicine is a business, if the doc does not follow your > dictates, what do people do, change docs. How easy has it been to get > your doc to prescribe LDN ?.> > So consider:> > >> > > Fact #1: The pharmaceutical industry is this country's most> > > profitable business.> > So whats wrong with that ?. Perhaps Mr. s should go and live > in Zambia. Aegis hears that the pharmaceutical companies are not > doing too well over there.> > > > Fact #2: Americans pay more for prescription drugs than> > > citizens of any other country.> > That's because they earn 10 x more. Drugs are expensive all over the > world when priced in native currencies. You can ask the > canadians/mexicans or even the Zambians if they find the drugs > cheap ?.> > >> > > Fact #3: More than a million Americans save money by buying> > > their prescription drugs in Canada. And technically, this> > > makes every one of these people a criminal.> > This is a technical loophole that is being misapplied. The idea is > that the FDA does not want shopkeepers importing cheap drugs from > thirld world and other countries that can harm Americans. It would be > unfair to say that drugs from Zambia cannot be imported, while those > from Canada can be imported. Therefore, the FDA discourages it. If > they were to allow it, what is to stop some unscrupulous drug dealers > from Zambia (as an example only), setting up shop in Canada for > export to the US ?. Imagine getting your copaxone or other drug being > made in a country which has lower quality standards ?.> > >> > I'll tell you what the difference is: A 50% greater profit> > > for the drug's manufacturer!> > Does Mr. know how much it costs to develop a drug ?. For every > one drug that makes it to the markets, thousands of compounds dont. > Can we ethically expect the Zambians to share in the drug development > as opposed to manufacturing costs ?, when they dont have enough to > eat. Once the drug has been identified, it is quite cheap to > manufacture it, but who pays for identifying the drug in the first > place ?. So if the costs of developing the drug are high, these are > being ploughed back into the economy. Lets say the companies spends a > million on reagent A, the raw materials for this are likely purchased > from company B, who in turn gives business to company C and so on.> So let's say the pharma company finally makes a profit, and its stock > price goes up, who owns the company shares, its the American public.> > Has the brilliant Mr. thought what happens if Pharma goes > bankrupt ?. Who will develop the new MS drugs ?. > > Aegis> > >> > >> > >