RE: Vitamin C - now superfood

[Guest guest]

Carol,

Where are you getting your info? Everything I've read does not say this..

SuziCarol Minnick <carolminnick@...> wrote:

Just be aware that the vitamin B12 in the spirulina is an “analog” – even though there is Vitamin B12 in there, it’s not usable – it prevents Vitamin B12 uptake – so if you are a vegetarian you would need to get your B12 from some other place – try aphanizominon flos aquae.

Carol

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Spirulina Blue Green Algae: Spirulina is the most concentrated, nutritious food on this planet. It is the highest natural source of complete protein (75%). We use the only organically grown spirulina in the world, from Hawaii. The high amount of sunshine there makes this spirulina higher in Beta Carotene than any other. It is also a rich source of B-vitamins, especially B-12. Grown using water pumped from 2000 feet deep in the ocean, this spirulina is also one of the richest sources of minerals. One of the oldest types of algae, it has a

soft cell wall for easy digestion and assimilation.

[Guest guest]

Carol Minnick wrote:

> Aphanizomenon flos-aquae, has been tested by Lancaster Labs for B12

> analog levels using microbiological testing methods that are

> comparable to methods 952.20 and 960.46 of the Association of

> Analytical Chemists (AOAC).

>

> Vitamin B12, which is in the corrinoid family, contains four main

> analogs (cyanocobalamin, hydroxycobalamin, aquacobalamin and

> methylcobalamin) that show significant bioactivity. The testing

> results on Aphanizomenon flos-aquae, while not discerning exactly

> which corrinoids are present, indicate significant B12 activity.

>

> Unlike other plant foods such as Spirulina and Chlorella, which

> contain corrinoids with virtually no vitamin B12 activity,

> Aphanizomenon flos-aquae is a reliable source for vegetarians seeking

> to supplement their diets with a bioactive form of this important

> nutrient.

>

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Hi Carol,

What exactly are the microbiological testing methods 952.20 and 960.46

of the AOAC that you refer to? Which microbiological organism is used in

these testing methods and how is it accomplished? What exactly does this

testing show? Are the results truly applicable to the human life form?

It is my opinion that claiming AFA as a suitable source of B12 over

Spirulina is a little too much like claiming calcium form cows milk is a

better source than calcium derived from plants. While there is a lot of

calcium in cows milk it is terrible source for humans as it is bound up

with animal proteins which our bodies cannot process. While these AOAC

methods do not discern the available corrinoids in AFA or Spirulina,

bioavailable B12 can definitely be offset or totally inactivated by the

other present analogs that are not discerned by this approved AOAC

testing methods. This can render spirulina and AFA both worthless for

human bioactive B12.

Spirulina pacifica has shown bioactive B12 to match that of AFA. Truly

the only way to discern if the B12 in AFA or Spirulina is any good for

humans is if it cures B12 deficiency in humans

B12 is normally absorbed at the end of the small intestines or the

Ileum. However, it is well know that B12 is also absorbed in the colon

but not as efficiently. Why do older people become B12 deficient?

Because they use up all the stores in their liver? Possible, it takes 20

to 30 years to do this. They don't take in enough B12? A definite

possibility. Their body cannot convert what they do take in? Also

another definite possibility. Maybe they just don't take in enough of

the bacteria that produce it to keep them going and then on top of that

they have spent their whole lives eating the wrong foods and plugged up

their intestinal tract so nothing can be absorbed along with the die off

of this particular bacteria. Man originally did not wash his fruits and

veggies. Man did not suffer B12 deficiency where he had adequate access

to fresh fruits and veggies even though he ate no meat or animal

products. Of course man originally did not cook his food either.

Of course the best way to obtain B12 is direct from the source. Just do

what all kids instinctively do and eat a handful of dirt. Just do it

where man hasn't polluted it too much like in the mountains or some such

place.

This is my two cents worth on this subject.

--

Peace, love and light,

Don Quai

" Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal

and wakes in man. "

[Guest guest]

Don Quai,

That's all I know - I'm not at all knowledgeable about what type of

testing methods those numbers represent and really can't explain the

procedures - I suppose you could do a google search and find out more

info. It is known that generally only bacteria (not plants) synthesize

vitamin B12. In line with this, it should be remembered that

Aphanizomenon flos-aquae is not a typical " plant, " but is instead

technically termed a " cyanobacterium. " While it is possible, then, that

Aph. flos-aquae synthesizes B12, based on the best evidence available,

algologists are inclined to believe that Aph. flos-aquae accumulates B12

that has been synthesized by other bacteria, much as animals do by

assimilating it from their environment. By whatever method Aph.

flos-aquae obtains vitamin B12, numerous microbiological tests approved

by the Association of Analytical Chemists (AOAC) demonstrate that Aph.

flos-aquae does indeed contain significant amounts of this vital

nutrient. Specifically, Aph. flos-aquae has been tested by Lancaster

Labs for B12 levels using AOAC microbiological testing methods 952.20

and 960.46.

Carol

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From: Don Quai [mailto:mysticalherbalist@...]

Hi Carol,

What exactly are the microbiological testing methods 952.20 and 960.46

of the AOAC that you refer to? Which microbiological organism is used in

these testing methods and how is it accomplished? What exactly does this

testing show? Are the results truly applicable to the human life form?

[Guest guest]

Carol Minnick wrote:

> There probably is B-12 produced by microorganisms in dirt. You would be

> taking in a bunch of organisms, some of which might produce B-12. But

> there's no guarantee you'd be getting the organisms you want and there's

> a pretty good guarantee you'd be getting a bunch of other things, many

> of which you probably don't want.

>

> And who knows - maybe early man did eat algae to get his B12.

>

> Carol

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Good possibility of that. There are lots of B12 producing bacteria in

dirt. This is how animals and blue green algae get theirs. Yes I suspect

that eating dirt one would get more than they bargained for.

--

Peace, love and light,

Don Quai

" Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal

and wakes in man. "