Guest guest Posted July 29, 2000 Report Share Posted July 29, 2000 Wouldn't the answer to this be high mega doses of Vitamin C? Those who have histimine in excess would benefit no? Kathy [ ] Histamine ><< > But H2 blockers (to reduce stomach acid) DO block the way that the >immune >> system gets told to calm down by histamine. >> >> Andy >If you have time, can you explain a little more for me? >> > >Your body uses a whole bunch of different signalling molecules. Adrenaline, >dopamine, histamine, etc. > >It in fact uses some of them in many different places and roles. > >A lot of the time your body even has different " buttons " for each type of >signalling molecule to push so that it can send one signal and have it do >different things in different places. > >These " buttons " are generally cell surface receptor proteins, and the >different ones have a name and subscript. So histamine has H1 receptors, and >H2 receptors, and H3 receptors. > >All these are used to do one kind of thing in your brain and another kind of >thing in your body since your blood-brain barrier keeps histamine from >passing through. This is why some antihistamines make you sleepy - they get >through the BBB and are brain antihistamines as well as body antihistamines. >In the brain, histamine is responsible for arousal and awareness. > >In the body it does a lot of things. > >H1 receptors make you itchy and runny and wheezy when some nasty allergen >gets your mast cells to release histamine. " antihistamines " are H1 blockers. > >H2 receptors cause your stomach to make acid. They also cause your immune >system to turn down the inflammatory stuff and be less sensitive. > >Remember me talking about how chemicals are stupid and no matter how much you >lecture them, they do whatever it is they are going to do once they get >inside your body? Well, when you take some H2 blocker like Zantac to get >your stomach to make less acid, it also blocks the H2 receptors on your >immune system cells so they don't get any feedback to calm down. So if you >are having allergies, they get worse. The normal mechanism by which >allergies are limited to some reasonable level is blocked by the H2 blockers. > >Andy Cutler > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2000 Report Share Posted July 29, 2000 Was wondering about something here...something I see in my son and daughter My son has a greyish color to his skin, almost like his oxygen saturation is NOT GOOD. We removed his tonsils becuase of apnea, and he does have SUSPECTED mito disorder (of course of late it looks like mercury poisining). Does mercury do something to the palour of your skin? He just doesn't look well (of course), but something beyond that I cannot seem to pinpoint? AND Would that apply to the transluscence of skin tone as well, as many autistics seem to possess this characteristic, as well as vitaligo. (I have that personally, now if you heard of the stealth virus, they say that is also the cause). Your thoughts? AND Does the stealth virus really appear to be something that is in all of us and the mercuralism is the culprit for not excretting/the body identifying it, like mercury is tightly bond in the cells? Also, I am doing the ALA every three hours for a week, time to hang off now right? I am also doing it, and I never sneezed so much in my life, my nose is dripping like a hose? No prescedent cold coming on, out of the blue? This coming from a person who NEVER experienced allergies before (detected at least). Kathy [ ] Histamine ><< > But H2 blockers (to reduce stomach acid) DO block the way that the >immune >> system gets told to calm down by histamine. >> >> Andy >If you have time, can you explain a little more for me? >> > >Your body uses a whole bunch of different signalling molecules. Adrenaline, >dopamine, histamine, etc. > >It in fact uses some of them in many different places and roles. > >A lot of the time your body even has different " buttons " for each type of >signalling molecule to push so that it can send one signal and have it do >different things in different places. > >These " buttons " are generally cell surface receptor proteins, and the >different ones have a name and subscript. So histamine has H1 receptors, and >H2 receptors, and H3 receptors. > >All these are used to do one kind of thing in your brain and another kind of >thing in your body since your blood-brain barrier keeps histamine from >passing through. This is why some antihistamines make you sleepy - they get >through the BBB and are brain antihistamines as well as body antihistamines. >In the brain, histamine is responsible for arousal and awareness. > >In the body it does a lot of things. > >H1 receptors make you itchy and runny and wheezy when some nasty allergen >gets your mast cells to release histamine. " antihistamines " are H1 blockers. > >H2 receptors cause your stomach to make acid. They also cause your immune >system to turn down the inflammatory stuff and be less sensitive. > >Remember me talking about how chemicals are stupid and no matter how much you >lecture them, they do whatever it is they are going to do once they get >inside your body? Well, when you take some H2 blocker like Zantac to get >your stomach to make less acid, it also blocks the H2 receptors on your >immune system cells so they don't get any feedback to calm down. So if you >are having allergies, they get worse. The normal mechanism by which >allergies are limited to some reasonable level is blocked by the H2 blockers. > >Andy Cutler > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2000 Report Share Posted October 17, 2000 >Permeability Factors that has L-Glutamine, NAG, Borage Seed Oil, Rice >Bran Oil and Lecithin in it. She also had me eliminate histamine >stimulating foods: all dairy, and only occasionally citrus fruits, strawberries >and peanuts. Also no spicy foods. And we went through a candida >elimination program. , This sounds similar to what I did. I used permeability factors from Tyler but I don't have a bottle left to look at what all it had in it. I also gave up all citrus fruits, dairy, wheat... It did help quite a bit, along with lowering my fat intake (, I know what you mean about high fat food sending you to the restroom!) -Theresa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2002 Report Share Posted October 30, 2002 Hi, I have a question for whoever knows the answer. Andy, maybe you could tell me your opinion about this... I was reading these days about histamine... I want to find reasons for giving my son carnosine (or for not giving him). So what I understand is that the release of histamine (for whatever reason) opens the endothelial cell junctions of the BBB. It's my understanding that this would make the BBB more permeable. Would this be a possible reason for why some kids get poisoned and others don't? Maybe some have high histamine before the vaccines? Maybe this is really stupid but I just want to know what others think about this... Also, would it be a dumb idea to chelate and increase your histamine a lot? Would this make the mercury stored in your brain to come out easier? Would this help ALA pick up more mercury? Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2002 Report Share Posted October 31, 2002 How do you lower histamine levels...can they be measured by a test of some kind?? [ ] Re: histamine > My son is high histamine; he is so much like me with identical > pricking, runny nose, sore throat, etc. I think he inherited the > problem from me. I gave him carnosine for 2 days and I had to stop > it because his ears became very red in patches. It looked awful. I > also had to stop his chelation because of having so much histamine. > I don't think it is a good idea to have so much histamine. It can > cause the nose to run which in turn causes cascading symptoms like > ear infections,inner ear system problems (central vestibular system) > which can lead to severe phobias, dyslexia, and even meniere's(a > condition involving dizziness.) Also,if a person become fearful due > to high histamine levels, it can lead to not talking. Conversely, I > am trying to lower his histamine all I can. > Going back to the time he had his MMR booster at age 12, and > regressed so severely, his histamines levels may have been very high > as it had been about 2 weeks since he had recovered from a cold. My > personal opinion is that having high histamine levels is nothing but > bad news. I would definitely stay away from trying to rigg up > someone's histamine levels to become high for any purpose. I wish I > knew then what I know now. This is my 2 cents' worth. Rose > > > > > Hi, > > > > I have a question for whoever knows the answer. > > Andy, maybe you could tell me your opinion about this... > > I was reading these days about histamine... I want to find reasons > for giving my son carnosine (or for not giving him). > > So what I understand is that the release of histamine (for whatever > reason) opens the endothelial cell junctions of the BBB. It's my > understanding that this would make the BBB more permeable. Would this > be a possible reason for why some kids get poisoned and others don't? > Maybe some have high histamine before the vaccines? > > Maybe this is really stupid but I just want to know what others > think about this... > > > > Also, would it be a dumb idea to chelate and increase your > histamine a lot? Would this make the mercury stored in your brain to > come out easier? Would this help ALA pick up more mercury? > > > > > > Valentina > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2002 Report Share Posted October 31, 2002 My son is high histamine; he is so much like me with identical pricking, runny nose, sore throat, etc. I think he inherited the problem from me. I gave him carnosine for 2 days and I had to stop it because his ears became very red in patches. It looked awful. I also had to stop his chelation because of having so much histamine. I don't think it is a good idea to have so much histamine. It can cause the nose to run which in turn causes cascading symptoms like ear infections,inner ear system problems (central vestibular system) which can lead to severe phobias, dyslexia, and even meniere's(a condition involving dizziness.) Also,if a person become fearful due to high histamine levels, it can lead to not talking. Conversely, I am trying to lower his histamine all I can. Going back to the time he had his MMR booster at age 12, and regressed so severely, his histamines levels may have been very high as it had been about 2 weeks since he had recovered from a cold. My personal opinion is that having high histamine levels is nothing but bad news. I would definitely stay away from trying to rigg up someone's histamine levels to become high for any purpose. I wish I knew then what I know now. This is my 2 cents' worth. Rose > Hi, > > I have a question for whoever knows the answer. > Andy, maybe you could tell me your opinion about this... > I was reading these days about histamine... I want to find reasons for giving my son carnosine (or for not giving him). > So what I understand is that the release of histamine (for whatever reason) opens the endothelial cell junctions of the BBB. It's my understanding that this would make the BBB more permeable. Would this be a possible reason for why some kids get poisoned and others don't? Maybe some have high histamine before the vaccines? > Maybe this is really stupid but I just want to know what others think about this... > > Also, would it be a dumb idea to chelate and increase your histamine a lot? Would this make the mercury stored in your brain to come out easier? Would this help ALA pick up more mercury? > > > Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2002 Report Share Posted October 31, 2002 There is a lot of information about testing for histamine, diet, etc. on this web site. Even though it is not about autism, I find it very informative. The link is as follows: http://www.goldbaum.net/balance/Whats_Histamine.html Rose > > > Hi, > > > > > > I have a question for whoever knows the answer. > > > Andy, maybe you could tell me your opinion about this... > > > I was reading these days about histamine... I want to find reasons > > for giving my son carnosine (or for not giving him). > > > So what I understand is that the release of histamine (for whatever > > reason) opens the endothelial cell junctions of the BBB. It's my > > understanding that this would make the BBB more permeable. Would this > > be a possible reason for why some kids get poisoned and others don't? > > Maybe some have high histamine before the vaccines? > > > Maybe this is really stupid but I just want to know what others > > think about this... > > > > > > Also, would it be a dumb idea to chelate and increase your > > histamine a lot? Would this make the mercury stored in your brain to > > come out easier? Would this help ALA pick up more mercury? > > > > > > > > > Valentina > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2002 Report Share Posted October 31, 2002 > My son is high histamine; Hi Rose, Did you test your son? Or you know this from his symptoms? > I gave him carnosine for 2 days and I had to stop > it because his ears became very red in patches. I am sorry to hear this Hope he's better now... > It looked awful. I > also had to stop his chelation because of having so much histamine. > I don't think it is a good idea to have so much histamine. It can > cause the nose to run which in turn causes cascading symptoms like > ear infections,inner ear system problems (central vestibular system) > which can lead to severe phobias, dyslexia, and even meniere's(a > condition involving dizziness.) You know... before I asked that question about increasing the histamine, I made some reading... I always had this feeling that autism has A LOT to do with the histamine. I don't know... maybe it's stupid, but it's just a feeling I have. Trying to find " stuff " about histamine, I also read about treatments for the Meniere's Disease, for the Autoimmune Inner Ear Disease... I don't know how reliable the information that I found is, but they were talking about *using* histamine to TREAT these conditions. I am thinking that if your son reacted so bad to the increase of histamine, maybe his fighting some virus... Just an idea... Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2002 Report Share Posted October 31, 2002 That's an interesting topic raised here. I do recall my son has a LOT of " congestion " since he's baby. You could hear the " congesting sound " from his nose or throat almost daily; but he wasn't sick. I even took him to a Ear/Throat specialist but nothing was found. He snores loud even since he's a baby. Just recently, he's finally granted a " allergy " title and have to take Claritin and Singular daily for couple of months now. All these times,I also have been suspecting part of his " autism " condition may have something to do with histamine but just can't point a finger to it. > > My son is high histamine; > > Hi Rose, > Did you test your son? Or you know this from his symptoms? > > > > I gave him carnosine for 2 days and I had to stop > > it because his ears became very red in patches. > > I am sorry to hear this > Hope he's better now... > > > > It looked awful. I > > also had to stop his chelation because of having so much histamine. > > I don't think it is a good idea to have so much histamine. It can > > cause the nose to run which in turn causes cascading symptoms like > > ear infections,inner ear system problems (central vestibular system) > > which can lead to severe phobias, dyslexia, and even meniere's(a > > condition involving dizziness.) > > You know... before I asked that question about increasing the histamine, I > made some reading... I always had this feeling that autism has A LOT to do > with the histamine. I don't know... maybe it's stupid, but it's just a > feeling I have. > Trying to find " stuff " about histamine, I also read about treatments for the > Meniere's Disease, for the Autoimmune Inner Ear Disease... I don't know how > reliable the information that I found is, but they were talking about *using* > histamine to TREAT these conditions. > > I am thinking that if your son reacted so bad to the increase of histamine, > maybe his fighting some virus... Just an idea... > > > Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2002 Report Share Posted October 31, 2002 Hi Valentina, actually, the information I read about Meniere's concerned the fact that they needed the histamine lowered, not raised. There are Google groups I have visited lately where these people with Meniere's were told that they had high histamine. They were put on antihistimines and left at that. They did not know that they could go on a low histamine diet and do other things to help with that problem. I am most certain that my son has high histamine because he itches, has red ears, a runny nose, etc., has food intolerances which cause histamine to be increased, food intolerances because of pst deficiency, intolerance to chlorine. Mercury poisoning binds certain enzymes and causes these intolerances and as a result, these intolerances cause the histamine to be raised, therefore the red ears, runny nose and high histamine symptoms. Here are some links on histamine: http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/condindex.html#H My favorite books on histamine are Nutrition and Elemental Nutrients and Mental and Elemental Nutrients, both by Carl Pheiffer, ph.D., M.D. I would recommend these books highly to anyone with any kind of a histamine problem. I go by the symptoms as my son would not let the ENT test him. Rose [ ] Re: histamine > My son is high histamine; Hi Rose, Did you test your son? Or you know this from his symptoms? > I gave him carnosine for 2 days and I had to stop > it because his ears became very red in patches. I am sorry to hear this Hope he's better now... > It looked awful. I > also had to stop his chelation because of having so much histamine. > I don't think it is a good idea to have so much histamine. It can > cause the nose to run which in turn causes cascading symptoms like > ear infections,inner ear system problems (central vestibular system) > which can lead to severe phobias, dyslexia, and even meniere's(a > condition involving dizziness.) You know... before I asked that question about increasing the histamine, I made some reading... I always had this feeling that autism has A LOT to do with the histamine. I don't know... maybe it's stupid, but it's just a feeling I have. Trying to find " stuff " about histamine, I also read about treatments for the Meniere's Disease, for the Autoimmune Inner Ear Disease... I don't know how reliable the information that I found is, but they were talking about *using* histamine to TREAT these conditions. I am thinking that if your son reacted so bad to the increase of histamine, maybe his fighting some virus... Just an idea... Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2002 Report Share Posted October 31, 2002 > Hi Valentina, actually, the information I read about Meniere's concerned the fact that they needed the histamine lowered, not raised. It depends. For some people apparently is better to be raised, and for other lowered. I made a search on Medline and... look: Medical treatment in Meniere's disease: avoiding vestibular neurectomy and facilitating postoperative compensation. Colletti V. ENT Department, University of Verona, Italy. The efficacy of medical treatment in preventing the need for vestibular neurectomy (VN) in patients with disabling Meniere's disease, and in facilitating postoperative compensation of equilibrium after VN, was investigated. Ninety-five patients with classic symptoms of unilateral incapacitating Meniere's disease were included. Patients were treated with either 16 mg betahistine three-times daily (n = 49) or 125 mg acetazolamide once-daily (n = 46) for 6 months. The study showed that marked benefit was achieved in 51 of the 95 patients, of whom significantly more were in the betahistine group than in the acetazolamide group [32 (65%) vs 19 (41%); p < 0.05]. Twenty-seven patients in the acetazolamide group and 17 in the betahistine group experienced no benefit from medical treatment and therefore underwent VN. Twelve patients in the betahistine group and 6 in the acetazolamide group eventually experienced a relapse and thus also underwent VN. Therefore 62 patients in total underwent VN. Following surgery, patients were given medical treatment in an attempt to facilitate vestibular compensation; 28 received betahistine (16 mg three-times daily) and 34 received cinnarizine (25 mg three-times daily) for 3 months. The patients treated with betahistine had a shorter period of disability and significantly better results on rotatory testing. In conclusion we recommend the use of betahistine in patients who have undergone VN. PMID: 10904798 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] The use of low-dose histamine therapy in otolaryngology. King WP. Low-dose histamine therapy has been prescribed by otolaryngologists primarily to treat Bell's palsy, vestibular disorders, vascular headache, Meniere's attacks, and urticaria vasculitis. The scientific explanations for the usefulness of this once-empiric treatment are becoming more apparent. Two methods of establishing the appropriate dosages have emerged: the empiric, optimum-dosage approach and the objective, endpoint-titration approach. In this article, the author describes and recommends the latter approach. The author also reports on a 100-patient retrospective clinical study that revealed that the objective, endpoint-titration approach was effective in treating 80% of patients. In light of such success and the ease and economy of this treatment, low-dose histamine therapy appears to be a valuable clinical tool. PMID: 10355198 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] [The use of betaserk in patients with cochlear-vestibular disorders] [Article in Russian] Kadymov MI, Poliakova TS, Vladimirova TN. 20-year experience with 220 cases of cochleovestibular disorders treated with betaserk shows high efficacy of this drug in the above patients, especially at initial stages of Meniere's disease. Betaserk is recommended for wide outpatient practice. PMID: 9793432 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] [The effects of betahistine on the function of equilibrium system] [Article in Polish] Kubiczkowa J. Kliniki Otolaryngologicznej Wojskowego Instytutu Medycyny Lotniczej w Warszawie. The authors present a pilot investigation of the effect of betahistine on vestibular disorders of peripheral and central origin. The evaluation of drug efficacy was based on subjective symptoms (vertigo, dizziness) and values of nystagmus parameters in ENG. and stability records made during posturographic tests, before and after drug administration. The regression or moderation of symptoms, such as vertigo and dizziness, was noted as well as the reduction of nystagmus slow phase velocity and the amplitude and the reduction of parameters during posturographic test. The reduction was observed during the treatment, especially during the studies after 4 hours following drug administration. After 6 months, values of the parameters, especially those made during posturographic tests, were close to initial values. The criteria, helpful for diagnosing subjective ailments were discussed with the emphasis placed on the significance of the processes responsible for equilibrium system function return. The review was made of the literature concerning the role of betahistine in the treatment of vestibular disorders. PMID: 9757700 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > There are Google groups I have visited lately where these people with Meniere's were told that they had high histamine. They were put on antihistimines and left at that. Rose, I'm not saying you're not right. You seem to know a lot more about these things than I do. What I'm saying is that I've read the contrary. It doesn't mean anything for me, of course... People who are sick with this disease probably know better than anybody what works for them. > I am most certain that my son has high histamine because he itches, has red ears, a runny nose, etc., has food intolerances which cause histamine to be increased, food intolerances because of pst deficiency, intolerance to chlorine. Mercury poisoning binds certain enzymes and causes these intolerances and as a result, these intolerances cause the histamine to be raised, therefore the red ears, runny nose and high histamine symptoms. Did you know that it's not necessary to have high histamine levels in order to have allergic reactions? There are some enzymes in our body (their name is histaminases) that are copper dependant and they are responsible for the inactivation of histamine. When you are low copper (that's one scenario) your body can't get rid of the histamine after it's used because it can't manufacture histaminases, so this is why for some people the allergies are never ending... They might be low histamine, but if their body can't get rid of the used histamine in time, they have allergic reactions. Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2002 Report Share Posted November 1, 2002 Valentina, you hit the nail on the head!!! Yes, my son has low copper, and I have realized since the last 2 weeks, that copper is needed to eliminate high levels of histamine. I have been giving him nuts to eat every day in an effort to lower his histamine levels. I don't know how much good this will do. but; as I wrote before, I am doing everything I know of to lower his histamine levels. I still don't buy that Medline theory, though. I never have really liked studies. There are too many factors involved besides what they are studying. Thanks so much for your input. I really appreciate it. Rose Did you know that it's not necessary to have high histamine levels in order to have allergic reactions? There are some enzymes in our body (their name is histaminases) that are copper dependant and they are responsible for the inactivation of histamine. When you are low copper (that's one scenario) your body can't get rid of the histamine after it's used because it can't manufacture histaminases, so this is why for some people the allergies are never ending... They might be low histamine, but if their body can't get rid of the used histamine in time, they have allergic reactions. Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2002 Report Share Posted November 1, 2002 > Yes, my son has low copper, and I have realized since the last 2 weeks, that copper is needed to eliminate high levels of histamine. Hi Rose, You might also try magnesium (I guess you already give him that, but just in case) and... the good old antihistamine drugs. They help a lot! Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2002 Report Share Posted November 1, 2002 Thanks so much, Valentina. You are very knowledgeable. Rose > > Yes, my son has low copper, and I have realized since the last 2 weeks, that copper is needed to eliminate high levels of histamine. > > Hi Rose, > You might also try magnesium (I guess you already give him that, but just in case) and... the good old antihistamine drugs. They help a lot! > > > Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2002 Report Share Posted November 1, 2002 > Thanks so much, Valentina. You are very knowledgeable. Thank you Rose. I was reading some of your old posts and I was thinking... You started to give your son Lauricidin 6 weeks ago. Then he had cold-like symptoms. Then you added Carnosine, which increases histamine, so the response to the antigen. It's obvious to me that your son has some virus or yeast or something that causes this reactions. I doubt that his problem is sulfur related (just my impression). Maybe you could give him more Vit.C and E? magnesium might also be helpful... Or try some other antiviral? Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2002 Report Share Posted November 1, 2002 Valentina, I am giving him a lot of vit.C, E., magnesium, zinc, calcium, selenium, chromium, glucosamine sulfate, vit. A, B complex, B 12, potassium, iodine, nuts for copper, ProEfa, and No Fenol, also have recently added echinacea for the virus, coQ 10 to lower histamine, Transfer Factor for the immune system, methionine for methylation and Ojibwa Tea for detoxification. I stopped the Lauricidin and the Carnaware. He did so much better on the Ecological Formulas Monolaurin, but he had to put up with the soapy taste since he doesn't swallow capsules. He has responded well to echinacea and Ojibwa Tea in the past. If he doesn't improve with the recently added echinacea and Ojibwa Tea, I plan to change his antiviral to Olive Leaf D'lenolate from East Park Research. That should get rid of most kinds of viruses and parasites. Thanks so much for the tips and your concern. Rose > > Thanks so much, Valentina. You are very knowledgeable. > > Thank you Rose. > I was reading some of your old posts and I was thinking... You started to > give your son Lauricidin 6 weeks ago. Then he had cold-like symptoms. Then > you added Carnosine, which increases histamine, so the response to the > antigen. It's obvious to me that your son has some virus or yeast or > something that causes this reactions. I doubt that his problem is sulfur > related (just my impression). > Maybe you could give him more Vit.C and E? magnesium might also be helpful... > > Or try some other antiviral? > > > Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2003 Report Share Posted November 17, 2003 It is a mystery to me, as well. Certainly they give us antihistimine to help aid in sinisitus and allergie reactions. -dz-o_ravonelle <o_ravonelle@...> wrote: I thought it was histamine that makes hep people itch so much? Histamine is what is released in allergic reactions, colds, bites etc. I sure don't understand how giving us more is going to help. Anyone have any input on that article? I'm sure there is something I'm missing.Nina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2003 Report Share Posted November 17, 2003 I'm right here!!!!! Diane, if you will forward me privately your address I will gladly send you the dollar I owe you. My Packers kicked booty yesterday! Got Tampa. We're back in the race after the Raiders were kind enough to whomp on Minnesota for us. -dz-Janet <jfw4359@...> wrote: Ok where is everyone at today?? Diane..Sharon.Terry.Dave??? R all of U MIA???? Get in touch when ya'll can and to those of you I messed ya'll be sure and get in touch too!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2003 Report Share Posted November 17, 2003 By the way, I promise not to ever show up on your doorstep without express written consent... -dz-Dave <dhz920@...> wrote: I'm right here!!!!! Diane, if you will forward me privately your address I will gladly send you the dollar I owe you. My Packers kicked booty yesterday! Got Tampa. We're back in the race after the Raiders were kind enough to whomp on Minnesota for us. -dz-Janet <jfw4359@...> wrote: Ok where is everyone at today?? Diane..Sharon.Terry.Dave??? R all of U MIA???? Get in touch when ya'll can and to those of you I messed ya'll be sure and get in touch too!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 My interist suggested that I try histamine. Our compound pharmacist quoted about $250 a month. The MD thought I should be able to find a sourse for it out of the US. Maybe Australia. Does anyone know? I had gotten Goodshape's one month sample. but didn't notice any difference. It was suggested that I try it for longer than on e month. His mixture recipe sounds too complicated for me at this time. Thanks for any information that someone might have or personal experiences. Thank you. Ilene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 That price sounds like the Procarin patch price. I tried it a couple of years ago, but no luck. I get my histamine from live bees. Just a personal preference though. I do think histamine is worth a try. Go for it! Marcie (PPMS) In a message dated 6/14/2004 12:40:44 PM Central Standard Time, aliyalex@... writes: My interist suggested that I try histamine. Our compound pharmacist quoted about $250 a month. The MD thought I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2004 Report Share Posted July 8, 2004 Hi All, Mark has an appointment at his GP tomorrow. He has had very little success with LDN, although he's not giving up. Dr Lawrence told him that it will take time because of the steroids he has had in the past. Dr Lawrence has recommended that Mark try histamine. I read an article in New Pathways about Cerc-16 which was successful for the person writing. I then went on the Good Shape site to look into it and they talked a lot about topical histamine. I'm now totally confused about what he should be asking for. Any suggestions or recommendations? Please bear in mind his GP is like 99% of all other GP's in that he poo-poo's a lot of what we ask for!!!! Anyway, thanks in advance. Ali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2004 Report Share Posted July 8, 2004 Ali, Again, I think it's an individual thing. The topical seems to work well for some while the Prokarin patch works for others. I haven't personally heard of anyone's experience with an oral type. Myself, I do live bee venom therapy. Histamine is supposed to be a large component in it, and I am very pleased. I am not allergic, at least not so far, and they are free of charge!! I would suggest that you try histamine in some form, and go from there. I don't think it can be of any harm. Marcie (PPMS) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2004 Report Share Posted July 8, 2004 On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 06:27:39 EDT, you wrote: >I read an article in New Pathways about Cerc-16 >which was successful for the person writing. I read the same article about Cerc-16 and so I gave it a try. It had no effect at all. I asked the visiting MS nurse about it. She said they prescribed it occasionally but was quite specific in its use. It is supposed to work well with balance problems but didn't do anything for me. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2004 Report Share Posted July 8, 2004 Steve Circ did nothing for me in the two weeks I took it, but then LDN hasn't addressed the balance thing either.(except for the other night).Hmmm Reg. -------Original Message------- From: low dose naltrexone Date: 07/08/04 06:57:00 low dose naltrexone Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Histamine On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 06:27:39 EDT, you wrote:>I read an article in New Pathways about Cerc-16 >which was successful for the person writing. I read the same article about Cerc-16 and so I gave it a try. It hadno effect at all. I asked the visiting MS nurse about it. She saidthey prescribed it occasionally but was quite specific in its use. Itis supposed to work well with balance problems but didn't do anythingfor me. Steve ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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