Re: raw food/fatigue/salmonella

[Guest guest]

Yep, raw food is great for energy, including raw meat. Some raw foodists

eat it; I don't, except for cold-smoked wild Alaskan Salmon (lox). Given

that it can take up to four days to completely digest cooked meat (as

opposed to two or so hours if it's raw), think about what's happening to

your gut and immune system. Seventy-five percent of your immune cells

are generated in your gastrointenstinal system.

If you're interested in what cooked food in general does to the immune

system, there's info at Mercola's site.

As for salmonella on raw produce . . . unlikely, but grow your own

sprouts. Raw meat eaters go to great pains to find " clean, " hormone- and

antibiotic-free flesh. I eat raw eggs yolks in my smoothies. One in

20,000 eggs is contaminated with salmonella. Again, it's best to go with

an organic source.

Martha

[Guest guest]

Yep, raw food is great for energy, including raw meat. Some raw foodists

eat it; I don't, except for cold-smoked wild Alaskan Salmon (lox). Given

that it can take up to four days to completely digest cooked meat (as

opposed to two or so hours if it's raw), think about what's happening to

your gut and immune system. Seventy-five percent of your immune cells

are generated in your gastrointenstinal system.

If you're interested in what cooked food in general does to the immune

system, there's info at Mercola's site.

As for salmonella on raw produce . . . unlikely, but grow your own

sprouts. Raw meat eaters go to great pains to find " clean, " hormone- and

antibiotic-free flesh. I eat raw eggs yolks in my smoothies. One in

20,000 eggs is contaminated with salmonella. Again, it's best to go with

an organic source.

Martha

[Guest guest]

If you have control over your food as it is grown, harvested, and of course eaten, you will have a far greater assurance of it's purity. If you purchase your food (don't we all?) you are relying on the integrity of all the people involved in it's production. A bird in a packing plant can leave droppings that can contaminate a conveyor system. The food carried down that system can be contaminated. One source of salmonella... In my job as a telephone installer I have been in a lot of food handling plants and packing sheds. Birds, rodents, and insects are found in all of them; some less than others, but they are there. You don't have to get out a magnifying glass to find them or evidence of them. And the pests aren't the only concern. A product handler can forget or just neglect to wash their hands. E coli, hepatitis, etc. Bottom line is that our food is not clean.

Most people do not ever have recognized cases of food poisoning, but minor cases occur regularly and go unidentified. For someone who is ill already or has a challenged immune system this is a serious concern. For most of us it is pretty much an non-issue. For someone who is considering changing their diet to include more raw foods an awareness of the possiblities is important. Yes, cooking destroys nutritional value and changes some foods into useless if not actually harmful substances. But it also destroys dangerous organisms. It might be wise to beef up your system with extra probiotics if you are going to eat more raw foods. A healthier gut will overcome a lot of unwelcome organisms.

I've had a nasty round of salmonella, picked up at a fried chicken chain the day after 9/11. Three of us had chicken strips; three of us were violently ill. The health department investigated and confirmed a number of violations on site, some of them applying to the chicken, some to the possibilities of cross contamination. I do not want ever to be ill like that again. If I had been alone I would have thought I had nasty intestinal flu and never even considered food poisoning.

As a result of that round of salmonella I had an MS flare up that weakened my legs and my left hand. It took over a year to more or less recover. As a result of that experience I am very concerned about food safety. Been there, done that, don't want to go again.

I love raw fruits and veges, but I do proceed with caution nowadays.

Gloomy Gus

----- Original Message -----

From: Martha Burton

low dose naltrexone

Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 10:22 AM

Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: raw food/fatigue/salmonella

Yep, raw food is great for energy, including raw meat. Some raw foodists eat it; I don't, except for cold-smoked wild Alaskan Salmon (lox). Given that it can take up to four days to completely digest cooked meat (as opposed to two or so hours if it's raw), think about what's happening to your gut and immune system. Seventy-five percent of your immune cells are generated in your gastrointenstinal system.If you're interested in what cooked food in general does to the immune system, there's info at Mercola's site.As for salmonella on raw produce . . . unlikely, but grow your own sprouts. Raw meat eaters go to great pains to find "clean," hormone- and antibiotic-free flesh. I eat raw eggs yolks in my smoothies. One in 20,000 eggs is contaminated with salmonella. Again, it's best to go with an organic source.Martha

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that story , don't you know I'll be washing my foods an extra 30 seconds prior to eating or cooking. We all get a little lax and need a reminder, Thanks

again!

From: [mailto:jatrac1@...] Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 3:51 PMlow dose naltrexone Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: raw food/fatigue/salmonella

If you have control over your food as it is grown, harvested, and of course eaten, you will have a far greater assurance of it's purity. If you purchase your food (don't we all?) you are relying on the integrity of all the people involved in it's production. A bird in a packing plant can leave droppings that can contaminate a conveyor system. The food carried down that system can be contaminated. One source of salmonella... In my job as a telephone installer I have been in a lot of food handling plants and packing sheds. Birds, rodents, and insects are found in all of them; some less than others, but they are there. You don't have to get out a magnifying glass to find them or evidence of them. And the pests aren't the only concern. A product handler can forget or just neglect to wash their hands. E coli, hepatitis, etc. Bottom line is that our food is not clean.

Most people do not ever have recognized cases of food poisoning, but minor cases occur regularly and go unidentified. For someone who is ill already or has a challenged immune system this is a serious concern. For most of us it is pretty much an non-issue. For someone who is considering changing their diet to include more raw foods an awareness of the possiblities is important. Yes, cooking destroys nutritional value and changes some foods into useless if not actually harmful substances. But it also destroys dangerous organisms. It might be wise to beef up your system with extra probiotics if you are going to eat more raw foods. A healthier gut will overcome a lot of unwelcome organisms.

I've had a nasty round of salmonella, picked up at a fried chicken chain the day after 9/11. Three of us had chicken strips; three of us were violently ill. The health department investigated and confirmed a number of violations on site, some of them applying to the chicken, some to the possibilities of cross contamination. I do not want ever to be ill like that again. If I had been alone I would have thought I had nasty intestinal flu and never even considered food poisoning.

As a result of that round of salmonella I had an MS flare up that weakened my legs and my left hand. It took over a year to more or less recover. As a result of that experience I am very concerned about food safety. Been there, done that, don't want to go again.

I love raw fruits and veges, but I do proceed with caution nowadays.

Gloomy Gus

----- Original Message -----

From: Martha Burton

low dose naltrexone

Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 10:22 AM

Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: raw food/fatigue/salmonella

Yep, raw food is great for energy, including raw meat. Some raw foodists eat it; I don't, except for cold-smoked wild Alaskan Salmon (lox). Given that it can take up to four days to completely digest cooked meat (as opposed to two or so hours if it's raw), think about what's happening to your gut and immune system. Seventy-five percent of your immune cells are generated in your gastrointenstinal system.If you're interested in what cooked food in general does to the immune system, there's info at Mercola's site.As for salmonella on raw produce . . . unlikely, but grow your own sprouts. Raw meat eaters go to great pains to find "clean," hormone- and antibiotic-free flesh. I eat raw eggs yolks in my smoothies. One in 20,000 eggs is contaminated with salmonella. Again, it's best to go with an organic source.Martha