Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Dear All, Besides Vet Techs there are Vet Rx(Pharmacy) Techs! Rare and usually workin large Animal Hospitals, but they do exist. I am also posting this for Della our reside3nt Pharmacist who also runs a cat adoption center. Some of her volunteers may need to see this Video. You Tube does it again! I would not recommend keeping this LVP longer than 24 to 48 hours at room temp nor would I reuse after it was heated up, as it contains vitamins that are sensitive to heat and light. So I do wonder about this. For those of you who will not be working as Vet Techs There is a LOT in this video! for one thing you get to see LVP's made up close although there is poor aseptic technique if it were performed for a human here. This cat has survived with this method for over 3 yrs so it ca not be all that bad!But for a human no way! You also get to see equipment you will be using up close. There is a point at which the cat will be injected with this IV line. However, I am very squirmish and LOVE cats, but I could not see a thing because the techs hands and the cats fur cover any injection site that would have otherwise upset me. Definitely worth watching to get to know LVP's a bit better. The TECH happens to be the owner and is not doing anything illegal, but I do wish it was more aseptic and storage and handling was better considered with this drug. Respectfully, Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS Founder/Owner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Replies scattered below. On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS Chemistry <rxjm2002@...> wrote: > Dear All, > > Besides Vet Techs there are Vet Rx(Pharmacy) Techs! > Rare and usually workin large Animal Hospitals, but they do exist. > I am also posting this for Della our reside3nt Pharmacist who also > runs a cat adoption center. Some of her volunteers may need to see > this Video. > You Tube does it again! > > Yes, some people are comfortable giving fluids to their pets. As well as giving injections to their pets. From the time a cat or kitten comes to me, the only two things I can't do between birth and adoption is the spay/neuter and their rabies vaccinations. I combo test (FIV/FeLV), give vaccinations ('kitten shots'), microchip (12 g needles on those things!), and can give SubQ medications as well as SubQ fluids. > > I would not recommend keeping this LVP longer than 24 to 48 hours at > room temp nor would I reuse after it was heated up, as it contains > vitamins that are sensitive to heat and light. So I do wonder about > this. Jeanetta, My work-around for what you wrote above is that yes, I do sometimes keep a LVP (Lactated Ringers, Normosol-R or Normal Saline -- and yes, I have all three in the closet of our 'med room') hung in a room for a week or two. Depends on what all is going on. I have IV Sets that have ports close to the end, and instead of putting the B-Complex vitamins in the bag itself, I'd draw up the B-12, B-Complex, C, and Pepcid up in separate syringes. Once the fluids were running, I'd use the port on the IV line (nearest to the end going into the cat), and flush the various syringes one at a time. Pepcid injectable for humans for IV (remember, the cat stuff is SubQ, not IV, so less of a risk of causing MASSIVE problems if you have a minor goof from one time to another) can be given SubQ to cats. It helps with their nausea from acid buildup like it can with humans. I never put the Vitamins in the bag directly. I had more control over things with doing individual supplements. (And then add the Epogen that Tyler was on for a good 6 to 9 months.) For those of you who will not be working as Vet Techs There is > a LOT in this video! for one thing you get to see LVP's made up close > although there is poor aseptic technique if it were performed for a > human here. This cat has survived with this method for over 3 yrs so > it ca not be all that bad!But for a human no way! Like was mentioned above, the fluids are IV Fluids, but they are being given SubQ. Yes, you can (and probably do) get biological 'stuff' into the cat with it just being SubQ. But the SubQ doesn't have the risk of being put directly into the blood stream. You SubQ to whatever volume, and it makes this soft lump on the cat while the body absorbs the fluids. And there are cats that have lived MUCH longer than the 3 years with SubQ's. You also get to see > equipment you will be using up close. There is a point at which the > cat will be injected with this IV line. However, I am very squirmish > and LOVE cats, but I could not see a thing because the techs hands and > the cats fur cover any injection site that would have otherwise upset > me. Definitely worth watching to get to know LVP's a bit better. Jeanetta, I'm squeemish when it comes to HUMAN needles and watching people get shots is something I do not do. I have to be tranquilized for anyone to get blood out of me. But I've assisted in spay/neuter surgeries, used to be pretty good about drawing blood from cats/kits (out of practice now, need to get back into it), vaccinations, medications, etc. Aim me at an animal and I can do almost anything. Aim me at a human. Not a chance! > > The TECH happens to be the owner and is not doing anything illegal, > but I do wish it was more aseptic and storage and handling was better > considered with this drug. What's funny (or should I say ironic?) is that some folks with CRF (Chronic Renal Failure) kitties think that SubQ's should be kept for when the cat is really having problems. (Like having CRF isn't reason enough??) Personally, I preferred giving Tyler his fluids daily, even if the vet suggested (suggested, nor ordered) every other day. The split amount every day gave a more even hydration. > > Respectfully, > > Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS > Founder/Owner Love my vets. Great guys and gals. Gotta remember to send them a thank you. But basically, I thought this could kind of fill out some of the questions that might be popping up into heads. Please feel free to ask questions via personal email if you have them. I tend to answer things as they are asked. But I don't want the PTCB group to turn into an Animal Health group. There's enough of those already (and I'm on about a dozen, go figure). Della, RPh -- Della Hengel Purr Paws Rescue, Inc Cypress, Tx (NW Houston) http://www.purrpawsrescue.org Help raise money when you search online at Goodsearch: http://www.goodsearch.com/?charityid=843766 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Thank you Della RPh Cat Adoption Expert! We love you here! I am ever so grateful for your assistance with this site. Thank you for reminding me(us all) that the risk of contamination is less with sub Q fluids than with IV. I do agree with you that IV Vitamin Injections should be given in theSub Q line port not added to the bag if the bag is going to be used over time. I believe the 'time' factor does degrade the vitamin. Also I like the idea of the even flow of fluid and hence even hydration on a daily injection. I think vets say this to make it convenient for the caretaker/owner. Thank you for the consideration of asking members to email you privately about more vet/cat specific questions Again if you have not watched the video, and you are studying to be a Rx Tech and want to know more about or SEE equipment used, please watch this video. Respectfully, Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS Pharm Tech Educator Founder/Owner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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