don

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Hey Don, cleaning out my 'in box' and reread your interesting post! That must have been the beginning of my problems!!!! For the most part my families had 'two holey' s' clear up into 1939 and those blamed seats were so high this lile ole girl could hardly get up on them let alone get in a squat position! <G> LOL...

love.. grany lee

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From: Don Quai

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Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 12:43 AM

Subject: Re: yeast/bacteria question To Suzanne and Don

Hi Granny,...snip... Before the invention of the modern toilet in around the mid 1800's everyone was squatting and hemorrhoids were far and few between.

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Don,

I am home now and I eat mostly at home now. After the family reunion a week ago we had lots of roast beef, turkey, beans left. I brought home the meats and beans, left the breads with my mom. I drink water and Iced Tea no soda. In 2 weeks I have had 2-3 cups of coffee at the most. I have had grapes, watermelon, cantaloupe, nectarines, peaches (white), roast beef, turkey, beans, eggs (boiled, fried and scrambled), salads (I don't buy iceberg), chicken and veggies. Stopped at the fresh market the other day for instance, and we cooked, fresh veggies (very lightly cooked), had fresh potatoes and meatballs last night. Oriental chicken salad for lunch yesterday. Iced Tea. In the past 7 years I have gone completely cold turkey with fast foods for a lengthy time frame and it didn't seem to help with the pain. I do notice that pasta noodles (and maybe only certain brands) make me really tired and hurting the next day. I really enjoy pasta and have cut back temendously on it. I eat oatmeal and have to admit I have to put some syrup on it! yeah, I know. I have fresh corn on the cob waiting in the fridge for me today. I don't like yogurt unless it is the custard style, so it doesn't help if you want the benefits from yogurt anyway. I can't eat cottage cheese. I can't drink milk. I can't stand the taste of those items. I can drink orange juice if it is pulpless. Same with lemonaide. I do like juices, but don't drink much of them due to the juices being bad for the FMS and the Arthritis, so I have read. I have a hard time taking supplements as they make me nauseated, no matter what time of the day I take them. I am taking Celebrex and Vioxx and another one to help with the pain. One a day, not all of them. Ambien for sleep (at night, obviously) and sometimes a Vicodin, but only when ABSOLUTELY neccessary. The pain is such that I could be living on Vicodin every 4 hours but I refuse to do so. Today I hurt so badly I could spend the day in bed. The ribs (that I hurt not quite a week ago), shoulders, collar bones, neck, head (working on it) and legs. In other words, today is an FMS pain day, and it isn't fun. I am seriously thinking of going on thyroid replacement med(s) and Adrenal meds/supplements. My Dr did the thyroid panel after I requested him to but he says I don't have thyroid problems. The antibodie test(s) have not been run, he refused to do it/them. So... does that help any? Thanks, D

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Wow Deborah...

I know Don will get into this so I'm just going to add in here that the Vioxx and Celebrex.... well, I was prescribed them for my level 4 arthritis of the knee.. I had to have surgery on the knee cap as there was major arthritis underneath and needed a lateral release to move the knee cap back in place... anyway... docs told me I would always have a swollen knee and some pain... some days better than others... If you could have seen my knee you wouldn't have settled for this answer either... I decided this was not the way to go.. with their meds...and set out to do something.. took mega doses of MSM, some DMSO every day internally, then used BF & C along with DMSO in it.. I was also taking organic iron, vit e, lemon egg (calcium) (and a few other things like plant enzymes). well, it took a couple months.. but now my knee is pain free, no swelling.... (sometimes a little bit if I overdo things) but for the arthritis and pain factor...

NONE. I was also doing mostly a raw veggie/fruit and sprouted grains diet... and juicing... not the kind you buy in the store but juicing my own (a world of difference).. Now I am not on a totally raw diet, but I do watch my foods to a big extent... Caffeine in large quantities will aggrevate, like alot of coffee, tea, etc.. Pastas, if you love pasta, find the sprouted grain kind... or make your own... Essential Eating is great for flour.. Sprouted gets rid of the enzyme inhibitors... and enzymes can do your body alot of good.

As for your meat, I don't eat meat every day... and I find when I eat somewhere I notice the difference in what is in my fridge and theirs.... there is a difference between store bought and butchered..

I also was taking super or total nutrition daily.... this gives you about everything your body needs...

SuziKLSIRDDOGS@... wrote:

Don,

I am home now and I eat mostly at home now. After the family reunion a week ago we had lots of roast beef, turkey, beans left. I brought home the meats and beans, left the breads with my mom. I drink water and Iced Tea no soda. In 2 weeks I have had 2-3 cups of coffee at the most. I have had grapes, watermelon, cantaloupe, nectarines, peaches (white), roast beef, turkey, beans, eggs (boiled, fried and scrambled), salads (I don't buy iceberg), chicken and veggies. Stopped at the fresh market the other day for instance, and we cooked, fresh veggies (very lightly cooked), had fresh potatoes and meatballs last night. Oriental chicken salad for lunch yesterday. Iced Tea. In the past 7 years I have gone completely cold turkey with fast foods for a lengthy time frame and it didn't seem to help with the pain. I do notice that pasta noodles (and maybe only certain brands)

make me really tired and hurting the next day. I really enjoy pasta and have cut back temendously on it. I eat oatmeal and have to admit I have to put some syrup on it! yeah, I know. I have fresh corn on the cob waiting in the fridge for me today. I don't like yogurt unless it is the custard style, so it doesn't help if you want the benefits from yogurt anyway. I can't eat cottage cheese. I can't drink milk. I can't stand the taste of those items. I can drink orange juice if it is pulpless. Same with lemonaide. I do like juices, but don't drink much of them due to the juices being bad for the FMS and the Arthritis, so I have read. I have a hard time taking supplements as they make me nauseated, no matter what time of the day I take them. I am taking Celebrex and Vioxx and another one to help with the pain. One a day, not all of them. Ambien for sleep (at night, obviously) and sometimes a

Vicodin, but only when ABSOLUTELY neccessary. The pain is such that I could be living on Vicodin every 4 hours but I refuse to do so. Today I hurt so badly I could spend the day in bed. The ribs (that I hurt not quite a week ago), shoulders, collar bones, neck, head (working on it) and legs. In other words, today is an FMS pain day, and it isn't fun. I am seriously thinking of going on thyroid replacement med(s) and Adrenal meds/supplements. My Dr did the thyroid panel after I requested him to but he says I don't have thyroid problems. The antibodie test(s) have not been run, he refused to do it/them. So... does that help any? Thanks, D

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In a message dated 8/11/2004 7:29:10 PM Mountain Daylight Time, suziesgoats@... writes:

what do you say?

Today has been a really bad day for me, pain wise. The rib that I sprained/cracked or the ligament I ripped or whatever I did has been so painful today along with the body pain. The knee is burning and it hasn't for a while, and no pain in the knees since about a week after the cortisone shot. The hands are burning today also, which isn't a new thing.

If I can get myself together, I will do your "experiment" after this weekend. I need to be driving a lot this weekend and I wouldn't want to be that far from the potty is I am going to do a cleanse! I need to read the files also and figure out what everything is. thanks, D

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In a message dated 8/11/2004 7:29:10 PM Mountain Daylight Time, suziesgoats@... writes:

Tell you what... try this... do a 3-4 day juice fast... If you can get organic

Here is a general question. I can get the organic just can't juice juices myself. However, there is a goat farm near me that I can get fresh goat milk. Is this something that would be good for me (on or off the cleanse)???

I can't stand milk, but don't know how good goats milk would be. I have thought about getting some for the dogs. I buy cage free eggs and now have found a spot to get fresh picked home grown eggs. Anyway... D

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Prior to the surgery I tried just about everything. nothing was working for the pain... but the lateral release on the tendon which was done also (nothing would fix that) had to be because it was pushing the knee cap. If I had not had that I think I could have fixed the other... except maybe the bone spurs under the knee cap.

I had a torn miniscus on the other knee but all the things I did I think fixed it cause it doesn't bother me anymore.. Seriously, start taking mega doses of MSM daily if you do nothing else. I also think the cleansing helped to rid alot of "junk" in my entire system... which allowed my body more time to really heal what needed healing. The body has so much to do and when we eat it has to work on digestion ALOT... When you juice and cleanse.. it doesn't have to work so hard at digestion, etc. and can concentrate on where it needs to.

Tell you what... try this... do a 3-4 day juice fast... If you can get organic juices all the better or juice fruits or veggies yourself.. even a blender would work if you don't have a juicer... the files have a 3 day juice fast in them... While you do this... add the msm (if powder to your morning and evening juice.. I was taking a tablespoon twice a day. Make yourself some lemon egg.. it's easy... takes a day or two to make... (in the files) best calcium you can get... take it twice a day- a tablespoon full. Oh yes, I want you to get some UDO oil... to take daily also... Do just this much... I won't add anything else (yet)... Try it for at least 3 days.. but preferably longer... and see how you feel. And if you send me your mail addy... I'll send you some super food or total nutrition to add to your morning drink. You'll put it in your morning drink with some UDO oil and MSM...

This is an experiment for you....can't hurt you... what do you say?

SuziKLSIRDDOGS@... wrote:

Suzi, did you have the surgery before or after all the supps?

We took x-rays of each knee and there is minimal damage to each knee. I asked him if they are mild to moderate arthritic, why do they hurt so BADLY?

I keep hearing how thyroid can even make knees hurt eye vision blurry. My Dr won't do any more testing on the thyroid and says it is fine. There HAS to be a reason for the FMS, CFS, Arthritis (both types from what we can tell), some other goodies and of course, my "mystery pain", and right at the moment a rib(s) that feel horrible and hurt really really badly. IF the thyroid and adrenals are the culprit(s) and would take care of all of it, I would start the meds and supps. I just don't know. D

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goats milk does wonders for any stomach problems... but you won't take it on the cleanse.

SuziKLSIRDDOGS@... wrote:

In a message dated 8/11/2004 7:29:10 PM Mountain Daylight Time, suziesgoats@... writes:

Tell you what... try this... do a 3-4 day juice fast... If you can get organic

Here is a general question. I can get the organic just can't juice juices myself. However, there is a goat farm near me that I can get fresh goat milk. Is this something that would be good for me (on or off the cleanse)???

I can't stand milk, but don't know how good goats milk would be. I have thought about getting some for the dogs. I buy cage free eggs and now have found a spot to get fresh picked home grown eggs. Anyway... D

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In a message dated 8/12/2004 2:54:41 AM Mountain Daylight Time, mysticalherbalist@... writes:

Do you have access to a sauna? Hot tub? Either of these will help with the pain and also help in removing toxins from your body.

No I don't, have considered asking the Dr to prescribe a hot tub. I doubt the Insurance companies will pay for them any more though! but it would be great. I had one in the late 70's and used it every day, before I had any of these problems - or at the least were aware of them - and felt like it had an impact on my life. Every night I used the hot tub/whirlpool. So, maybe my thinking way back then had some validation to it! I HATE taking meds and OTC drugs. I only take when necessary. Yesterday would have been a day I should have, but I don't. Stupid? I don't know. I just hate putting that stuff in my body. I think it is worse than the crap food we put in. I used to do cleanses. I guess I must have fallen off the health care bandwagon and let my body suffer. Now I need to get back up and on the horse again and fix everything. Do you think one can fix the FMS, CFS and so forth (including the knees) with what you have suggested? and you really think that the pain will go away? What do you think about all of this being caused by thyroid problems? Do you think one can fix those too (if that was the basis of all this)? What about the Adrenals? (same questions). I used to be such a healthy and strong person and so active. Would LOVE to get back to that. I also have thought about getting back to the ACV cocktails I used to drink every day. How do I take supplements without the nausea? I have a million questions. However, IF this would all work, I am anxious to begin and "attack" all of this. While I am working on all of this are there certain things I should be eating and certain things I should not be eating? I am talking out of the fast, processed and so forth foods. Example: I have read and heard that people with FMS shouldn't eat Tomatoes, (yes, I know that is a bad example as they are acidic, but hey, it is 333am!). Are all fresh veggies, fruits fair game? Ok enough of the questions for this post. I have probably went over my limit! Thanks, Deborah

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KLSIRDDOGS@... wrote:

> *Don,*

> *I am home now and I eat mostly at home now. After the family reunion

> a week ago we had lots of roast beef, turkey, beans left. I brought

> home the meats and beans, left the breads with my mom. I drink water

> and Iced Tea no soda. In 2 weeks I have had 2-3 cups of coffee at the

> most. I have had grapes, watermelon, cantaloupe, nectarines, peaches

> (white), roast beef, turkey, beans, eggs (boiled, fried and

> scrambled), salads (I don't buy iceberg), chicken and veggies.

> Stopped at the fresh market the other day for instance, and we cooked,

> fresh veggies (very lightly cooked), had fresh potatoes and meatballs

> last night. Oriental chicken salad for lunch yesterday. Iced Tea.

> In the past 7 years I have gone completely cold turkey with fast foods

> for a lengthy time frame and it didn't seem to help with the pain. I

> do notice that pasta noodles (and maybe only certain brands) make me

> really tired and hurting the next day. I really enjoy pasta and have

> cut back temendously on it. I eat oatmeal and have to admit I have to

> put some syrup on it! yeah, I know. I have fresh corn on the cob

> waiting in the fridge for me today. I don't like yogurt unless it is

> the custard style, so it doesn't help if you want the benefits from

> yogurt anyway. I can't eat cottage cheese. I can't drink milk. I

> can't stand the taste of those items. I can drink orange juice if it

> is pulpless. Same with lemonaide. I do like juices, but don't drink

> much of them due to the juices being bad for the FMS and the

> Arthritis, so I have read. I have a hard time taking supplements as

> they make me nauseated, no matter what time of the day I take them. I

> am taking Celebrex and Vioxx and another one to help with the pain.

> One a day, not all of them. Ambien for sleep (at night, obviously)

> and sometimes a Vicodin, but only when ABSOLUTELY neccessary. The

> pain is such that I could be living on Vicodin every 4 hours but I

> refuse to do so. Today I hurt so badly I could spend the day in bed.

> The ribs (that I hurt not quite a week ago), shoulders, collar bones,

> neck, head (working on it) and legs. In other words, today is an FMS

> pain day, and it isn't fun. I am seriously thinking of going on

> thyroid replacement med(s) and Adrenal meds/supplements. My Dr did

> the thyroid panel after I requested him to but he says I don't have

> thyroid problems. The antibodie test(s) have not been run, he refused

> to do it/them. So... does that help any? Thanks, D*

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Hi Deborah,

I congratulate you on doing your best at keeping the meds on the back

burner and not relying on them. It is not easy I know.

Most body problems and dis-ease result from the body being too acidic.

This is caused by eating cooked food, meats, refined sugars and flours,

coffee, tea, sodas, fast foods, prepared preprocessed foods, pastas,

etc. All of these foods will make your body too acidic. CFS, FMS, and

all those other fancy names the allopathic profession gives to

mulitudinous symptoms of some vague illness is because they don't have a

clue what is wrong and the pharmaco's make a killing off of it. All of

these 3 letter acronyms can easily, well maybe not as easy as I am going

to make it sound, be handled by changing ones diet, doing cleanses and

juice fastings. I will warn you though that it will take time. Herbs

will help greatly in this endeavor. The first place I would start would

be doing a bowel cleansing including enemas. A lot of these above

mentioned illnesses stem from autointoxication due to impacted and

plugged up bowels. Toxins cannot be eliminated so they just get

recirculated along with any new ones from the fungi, bacteria and virii.

These toxins get distributed to every part of the body for storage. Nice

huh. So in actuality we poison our own bodies and then all kinds of

problems break loose.

Hot and cold baths or showers will help too. Daily dry skin brushing to

help keep the skin clear and the lymph moving. Wrong choices in food

preparation, foods and lifestyle are the downfall of many of us.

Cayenne infused oil or salve helps a lot with arthritic pains or make a

poultice of it. Do you have access to a sauna? Hot tub? Either of these

will help with the pain and also help in removing toxins from your body.

Do a good bowel cleanse and then slowly work on changing your diet and

doing the juice cleansing and you will see a major difference in your

health. You will actually get better and be able to eliminate the meds

completely. You will be alive again and full of energy and enthusiasm.

It is work and it will take time but if you truly wish to overcome these

problems you can and we are here to offer any assistance we can and help

you through it.

Peace be with you.

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Peace, love and light,

Don Quai

" Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal

and wakes in man. "

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KLSIRDDOGS@... wrote:

>

> *No I don't, have considered asking the Dr to prescribe a hot tub. I

> doubt the Insurance companies will pay for them any more though! but

> it would be great. I had one in the late 70's and used it every day,

> before I had any of these problems - or at the least were aware of

> them - and felt like it had an impact on my life. Every night I used

> the hot tub/whirlpool. So, maybe my thinking way back then had some

> validation to it! I HATE taking meds and OTC drugs. I only take when

> necessary. Yesterday would have been a day I should have, but I

> don't. Stupid? I don't know. I just hate putting that stuff in my

> body. I think it is worse than the crap food we put in. I used to do

> cleanses. I guess I must have fallen off the health care bandwagon

> and let my body suffer. Now I need to get back up and on the horse

> again and fix everything. Do you think one can fix the FMS, CFS and

> so forth (including the knees) with what you have suggested? and you

> really think that the pain will go away? What do you think about all

> of this being caused by thyroid problems? Do you think one can fix

> those too (if that was the basis of all this)? What about the

> Adrenals? (same questions). I used to be such a healthy and strong

> person and so active. Would LOVE to get back to that. I also have

> thought about getting back to the ACV cocktails I used to drink every

> day. How do I take supplements without the nausea? I have a million

> questions. However, IF this would all work, I am anxious to begin and

> " attack " all of this. While I am working on all of this are there

> certain things I should be eating and certain things I should not be

> eating? I am talking out of the fast, processed and so forth foods.

> Example: I have read and heard that people with FMS shouldn't eat

> Tomatoes, (yes, I know that is a bad example as they are acidic, but

> hey, it is 333am!). Are all fresh veggies, fruits fair game? Ok

> enough of the questions for this post. I have probably went over my

> limit! Thanks, Deborah*

>

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Nope, no limits here. Yep. I truly believe that you can fix your body

Deborah. I also truly believe that you can be pain free as well.

However, your body is quite toxic and it is going to take time to clean

out all the toxins and junk that are affecting your organs and systems.

It took you, however many years of age your are, to get your body into

the condition it is now in. It is going to take some time to undo the

damage and repair and rebuild your body. Don't expect miracles

overnight. It most likely won't happen. You are in continual pain

because your body is in a state of continual toxic overload.

If you are willing to do the work involved, make a commitment to

yourself to improve your health no matter what then yes, you will

improve and overcome these 3 letter acronyms. Foods to avoid? You should

for the time being keep clear of any of the Nightshade family, peppers,

eggplant, potatoes, tomatoes, etc. Though I feel that people have more

problems with the last three then the first one. All fresh veggies

(preferrably the green leafy variety), and fresh fruits. I am not

suggesting you go cold turkey on anything either. Just begin to make

gradual changes in your diet so you don't shock the body too much. Just

begin eating more salads and fresh fruits and veggies. Then slowly cut

down on dairy, meats, pastas, etc. If you need to eat the meat then do

eat only organic. NO sense putting more toxins into the body. No pork

though. Lots of distilled water or highly purified water with fresh

lemon juice added will help to cleanse your body of mucus. Eating beets

or juicing them will help to cleanse your blood and liver. DO, by all

means, A COMPREHENSIVE AND THOROUGH BOWEL CLEANSE ASAP!!!!! This is very

important to do. This will allow your body to get rid of the toxins.

If you do the juice cleanse I suggest you follow it to a " T " . Do not

deviate. It is an excellent cleanse and is very easy to do. You can

choose the juice your wish to use. Apple and carrot are both very good

for cleansing the blood and lymph. You can do these juice cleanses every

month if you wish. Try it for 3 days first and see how you do. If you

feel you can handle it then go for 6 days. The more you cleanse the

better you will begin to feel. YES, THERE WILL BE TIMES WHEN YOU WILL

FEEL LIKE HOLY CRAP!!! THIS IS GUARANTEED!!! This is known as the

healing crisis and comes about when the toxins get dumped into your

blood from the organs, etc. You will feel miserable, you might even get

sick. DO NOT QUIT THE PROGRAM IF THIS HAPPENS!!!! Just continue on and

it will pass. When it does you will feel much better and have more

energy than you did before. This is how nature works her wonders in our

bodies. You have to go through the getting rid of toxins and whatever

they may turn on in your body before you can feel good again.

While you are doing this, try to keep as stress free as possible. Start

drinking parsley leaf/root tea for your adrenals. Ginger tea and ginseng

will help your adrenals too as will ashwaganda (boy I hope I spelled

that right). Stop drinking iced tea and anything with caffeine. These

drinks will suck the life right out of your adrenals as will stress.

Okay enough for now I think. You have a million questions so get posting

them so we can asnwer them. If I don't then someone else will. We are

all here to help and support one another. I believe, truly believe, that

you can overcome all of this Deborah. It is up to you though. How hard

you wish to work at it and your commitment and determination will

dictate the outcome. Your health is in your hands. It always was.

Peace be with you Deborah.

--

Peace, love and light,

Don Quai

" Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal

and wakes in man. "