Guest guest Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 I should have kept that posting on using a dentist that knows how to safely remove the mercury amalgams and root canals. We had quite a lot of talk on that and being gullable I thought it made sense. Wasn't it something to do with the jawbone being contaminated? Reg. -------Original Message------- From: low dose naltrexone Date: 08/03/04 10:13:57 low dose naltrexone Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Root canals? How do they remove root canals??? When I had my bottom right wisdom tooth removed it started a chain reaction. The tooth in front of it went bad and I got a crown. Then the tooth above it went bad and I got a root canal and a crown. How do they "remove" root canals? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bayuk low dose naltrexone Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 11:58 Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Digest Number 806 Mona,I've been talking to Biomark. They want me to have my 8-10 root canalsremoved before I do the stem cell therapy. That is a formidable task.Regards,Tom ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 Hi Reg, Here it is. emailed the dentist we use, who is a holisticdentist and asked him about root canals. He has beena holistic dentist since 1984 and was trained by HalHuggins and others. Here is what he replied:----------------------"Many teeth that appear to need root canal therapy canbe saved if abundant precautions are taken and thepatient is willing to participate as the person whohas to face the risks. Even if a tooth has an exposednerve from decay or trauma, isolation of the exposureto keep the saliva off of it, treatment with 60seconds of sodium hypochlorite (Chlorox), and 60seconds with the sterilizing light of a ND/Yag lasercan together do wonders. If a tooth has a lesion (a shadow at the tip of thetooth on x-ray), chances of reversing the condition ofthe tooth is very hopeful. In other words, don't planon it. More often than not, a tooth with asignificant exposure has a poor prognosis. -----------------------I emailed him back for more information. I'm not sureI understand the last part of what he said.Duncan ----- Original Message ----- From: Reg Kreil low dose naltrexone Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Root canals? I should have kept that posting on using a dentist that knows how to safely remove the mercury amalgams and root canals. We had quite a lot of talk on that and being gullable I thought it made sense. Wasn't it something to do with the jawbone being contaminated? Reg. ----- Original Message ----- From: Reg Kreil low dose naltrexone Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Root canals? I should have kept that posting on using a dentist that knows how to safely remove the mercury amalgams and root canals. We had quite a lot of talk on that and being gullable I thought it made sense. Wasn't it something to do with the jawbone being contaminated? Reg. -------Original Message------- From: low dose naltrexone Date: 08/03/04 10:13:57 low dose naltrexone Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Root canals? How do they remove root canals??? When I had my bottom right wisdom tooth removed it started a chain reaction. The tooth in front of it went bad and I got a crown. Then the tooth above it went bad and I got a root canal and a crown. How do they "remove" root canals? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bayuk low dose naltrexone Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 11:58 Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Digest Number 806 Mona,I've been talking to Biomark. They want me to have my 8-10 root canalsremoved before I do the stem cell therapy. That is a formidable task.Regards,Tom ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 You've probably gotten a reply by now but just in case... My friend had a mouth full of root canals. Caused lots of problems. She found a good holistic dentist who removed the teeth and cleaned the dead bone underneath them. It's not a picknick, but it can be done. Traditional dentistry will poo-poo this idea, but could that have something to do with the gag order that they are under per the ADA??? Go for it. Marcie (PPMS) In a message dated 8/3/2004 10:10:05 AM Central Standard Time, larrygc@... writes: How do they remove root canals??? When I had my bottom right wisdom tooth removed it started a chain reaction. The tooth in front of it went bad and I got a crown. Then the tooth above it went bad and I got a root canal and a crown. How do they "remove" root canals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 I think that " removing a root canal " usually refers to extracting the tooth itself. Over the years, I had about 8 root canals. In recent years, I traveled from Florida to California to see a reputable holistic dentist, Dr. Hansen. He did not advise me to have any teeth pulled. He did, however, " retreat " all my root canals - he took out the gutta percha and replaced it with Biocalex (a non-toxic filling material used in Europe for more than 15 years and becoming more popular here in the U.S.). He also cleaned out each tooth and sterilized them with a laser. This is all certainly an option for those people like me who didn't want to have so many teeth pulled - I had that done once and had more problems than with any root canal. Dr. Hansen is a wonderful dentist and a very compassionate human being. He is extremely knowledgeable about medical problems associated with dentistry. He is the first to admit that all it takes is one visit to one dentist to start a whole chain reaction of problems. There are many dentists who don't believe root canals are bad at all and there are also some dentists who think root canals with any filling material (even Biocalex) are breeding grounds for bacteria. I didn't get rid of MS after having my root canals retreated, but I did get rid of a whole lot of dental pain!! Just wanted to share my dental experiences since the question was posed and I have spent countless hours in the dental chair. Jill --- LarryGC <larrygc@...> wrote: > How do they remove root canals??? When I had my > bottom right wisdom tooth removed it started a chain > reaction. The tooth in front of it went bad and I > got a crown. Then the tooth above it went bad and I > got a root canal and a crown. > > How do they " remove " root canals? __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Hi Jill, Could you please give me the complete name of Dr. Hansen and where he is located in California? Thank you very much, , California --- In low dose naltrexone , Jill Cannon <jncmail@y...> wrote: > Dr. Hansen is a wonderful dentist and a very > compassionate human being. He is extremely > knowledgeable about medical problems associated with > dentistry. He is the first to admit that all it takes > is one visit to one dentist to start a whole chain > reaction of problems. > Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 In a message dated 8/3/2004 8:24:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, marciemjm@... writes: Traditional dentistry will poo-poo this idea, but could that have something to do with the gag order that they are under per the ADA??? Go for it. Marcie (PPMS) Marcie: What is the gag order dentists are under? Thanks Arlene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Arlene, In a nutshell: Dentists who are in good standing with the ADA (American Dental Association) are not allowed to tell of the possible hazards of mercury amalgams, root canals and cavitations or else they risk losing their license. That's why Dr. Huggins practices and teaches in Mexico. When I first asked a local dentist to remove my fillings, she showed mr the ADA's position statement and would NOT remove the because she could have lost her license. (I'm glad she didn't since she didn't have the right equipment anyway.) Marcie (PPMS) In a message dated 8/4/2004 7:37:23 AM Central Standard Time, arlizotte@... writes: Marcie: What is the gag order dentists are under? Thanks Arlene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Something happened, and I got disconnected from the internet when I was responding to the statement that someone here printed up from the ADA's website. I think that may have been what the dentist showed me prior to discussing removal of my mercury amalgam fillings. It's been 4 years since I had this procedure done. At the time, I just knew without a doubt that I wanted them removed...no ifs, ands, or buts about it! The dentist who refused was very professional and polite about it. So was I. I just found a holistic dentist with the proper equipment for removal in the safest possible way. Just imagine the class action lawsuit that would ensue if the ADA ever retracted their stand and said, "Oops. We were wrong! Mercury placed a few inches away from your brain really isn't as safe as we once thought!" Of course, the statute of limitations would have run out for lots of people, but there would be enough left to do some major damage to the economy of ...well, I'm not sure what it would damage, but I know it would create chaos somewhere! Some lawyers would retire very wealthy!! Wait, didn't current administration put a cap on damages that can be claimed in these types of siuations??? What ever happened to 'first do NO harm'? OK. I'll get off of my soapbox!!! Just think about it...we are told as children, if a thermometer breaks, DON'T touch the mercury. It's poisonous! And all the while, dentists are packing it in our mouths, just this far (thumb and index finger about 2 - 3 inches apart) from our brains!!! Now, I'm no genious, but give me a break!!! Marcie (PPMS) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 I found this on the American Dental Association website is this what you were refering to or was it something more than this? Code of Professional Conduct 5.A. Representation of Care. Dentists shall not represent the care being rendered to their patients in a false or misleading manner. Advisory Opinions 5.A.1. Dental Amalgam and Other Restorative Materials. Based on current scientific data the ADA has determined that the removal of amalgam restorations from the non-allergic patient for the alleged purpose of removing toxic substances from the body, when such treatment is performed solely at the recommendation of the dentist, is improper and unethical. The same principle of veracity applies to the dentist's recommendation concerning the removal of any dental restorative material. 5.A.2. Unsubstantiated Representations. A dentist who represents that dental treatment or diagnostic techniques recommended or performed by the dentist has the capacity to diagnose, cure or alleviate diseases, infections or other conditions, when such representations are not based upon accepted scientific knowledge or research, is acting unethically. > Arlene, > > In a nutshell: Dentists who are in good standing with the ADA (American > Dental Association) are not allowed to tell of the possible hazards of mercury > amalgams, root canals and cavitations or else they risk losing their license. > That's why Dr. Huggins practices and teaches in Mexico. When I first asked a > local dentist to remove my fillings, she showed mr the ADA's position statement > and would NOT remove the because she could have lost her license. (I'm glad > she didn't since she didn't have the right equipment anyway.) > > Marcie (PPMS) > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 I was told that they can only remove mercury amalgams if they have a reason such as it being loose or cracked or need of some type of dentistry that they deem necessary. Not just because the patient wants it done. Marcie In a message dated 8/4/2004 5:17:08 PM Central Standard Time, jatrac1@... writes: But this doesn't address the more common situation for us, wherein the patient asks to dentist to remove the amalgams based on the patient's belief that they are unsafe. This addresses the dentist who is initiating the removal based on his own beliefs. No dentist should hide behind this if a patient is asking for the removal... JT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 This is interesting.... ----- Original Message ----- From: marciemjm@... low dose naltrexone Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Root canals? Arlene, In a nutshell: Dentists who are in good standing with the ADA (American Dental Association) are not allowed to tell of the possible hazards of mercury amalgams, root canals and cavitations or else they risk losing their license. That's why Dr. Huggins practices and teaches in Mexico. When I first asked a local dentist to remove my fillings, she showed mr the ADA's position statement and would NOT remove the because she could have lost her license. (I'm glad she didn't since she didn't have the right equipment anyway.) Marcie (PPMS) In a message dated 8/4/2004 7:37:23 AM Central Standard Time, arlizotte@... writes: Marcie: What is the gag order dentists are under? Thanks Arlene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 But this doesn't address the more common situation for us, wherein the patient asks to dentist to remove the amalgams based on the patient's belief that they are unsafe. This addresses the dentist who is initiating the removal based on his own beliefs. No dentist should hide behind this if a patient is asking for the removal... JT ----- Original Message ----- From: cowgirls542001 low dose naltrexone Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 11:46 AM Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Root canals? I found this on the American Dental Association website is this what you were refering to or was it something more than this?Code of Professional Conduct5.A. Representation of Care. Dentists shall not represent the care being rendered to their patients in a false or misleading manner.Advisory Opinions5.A.1. Dental Amalgam and Other Restorative Materials. Based on current scientific data the ADA has determined that the removal of amalgam restorations from the non-allergic patient for the alleged purpose of removing toxic substances from the body, when such treatment is performed solely at the recommendation of the dentist, is improper and unethical. The same principle of veracity applies to the dentist's recommendation concerning the removal of any dental restorative material.5.A.2. Unsubstantiated Representations. A dentist who represents that dental treatment or diagnostic techniques recommended or performed by the dentist has the capacity to diagnose, cure or alleviate diseases, infections or other conditions, when such representations are not based upon accepted scientific knowledge or research, is acting unethically.> Arlene,> > In a nutshell: Dentists who are in good standing with the ADA (American > Dental Association) are not allowed to tell of the possible hazards of mercury > amalgams, root canals and cavitations or else they risk losing their license. > That's why Dr. Huggins practices and teaches in Mexico. When I first asked a > local dentist to remove my fillings, she showed mr the ADA's position statement > and would NOT remove the because she could have lost her license. (I'm glad > she didn't since she didn't have the right equipment anyway.)> > Marcie (PPMS)> > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 I have not had a root canal done so I don't know why they are hazardous or what they are. Is anyone able to enlighten me? I almost had to have one a year ago but the dentist said to avoid having it done I needed to have a course of antibiotics after some treatment. I am not a drug person so this was a difficult choice for me. I did take the antibiotic because they told me I'd regret it if I didn't. I have to say I think Tom's 'dancing post' was a really lovely encouraging tale. I am very happy for him. I've been telling everyone how encouraging LDN sounds. Audrey --- marciemjm@... wrote: > Arlene, > > In a nutshell: Dentists who are in good standing > with the ADA (American > Dental Association) are not allowed to tell of the > possible hazards of mercury > amalgams, root canals and cavitations or else they > risk losing their license. > That's why Dr. Huggins practices and teaches in > Mexico. When I first asked a > local dentist to remove my fillings, she showed mr > the ADA's position statement > and would NOT remove the because she could have lost > her license. (I'm glad > she didn't since she didn't have the right equipment > anyway.) > > Marcie (PPMS) > > > In a message dated 8/4/2004 7:37:23 AM Central > Standard Time, > arlizotte@... writes: > > > > Marcie: > > What is the gag order dentists are under? > > Thanks > > Arlene > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 I don't believe that is true. You can have them removed for cosmetic reasons and replaced with natural looking composite fillings if that is important to you. The problem is that most people can't afford to foot the entire bill, and your insurance company is going to want some justification for the expense. However since amalgams have a limited life, and are often destructive to the tooth they're in, an interested and willing dentist can generally justify removing them for you. My current dentist was able to get authorization from the insurance company for mine, and we did them over an extended time to reduce the effect on my body... Only one of them was actually failing, but all of them were more than twenty years old. My previous dentist quit using amalgams more than twenty years ago, and at that time warned me of the dangers of the mercury. He wanted to replace them, and I resisted because I absolutely hate having dental work... then a few years ago I decided I was being foolish and went for it. JT ----- Original Message ----- From: marciemjm@... low dose naltrexone Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Root canals? I was told that they can only remove mercury amalgams if they have a reason such as it being loose or cracked or need of some type of dentistry that they deem necessary. Not just because the patient wants it done. Marcie In a message dated 8/4/2004 5:17:08 PM Central Standard Time, jatrac1@... writes: But this doesn't address the more common situation for us, wherein the patient asks to dentist to remove the amalgams based on the patient's belief that they are unsafe. This addresses the dentist who is initiating the removal based on his own beliefs. No dentist should hide behind this if a patient is asking for the removal... JT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 Marcie, I found a dentist who was willing to remove my amalgrams and he did it a quarter of my mouth at a time. He found I had many cavities undermeath the amalgums. So if you just tell the dentist that your teeth hurts to chew. Then he has no choice but to do something with your mouth especially if you tell the dentist that you have MS. IF they still won't do it, find another dentist. GOODLUCK==Kathy== By the way it didn't help my Ms, just made my mouth feel better. --- marciemjm@... wrote: > I was told that they can only remove mercury > amalgams if they have a reason > such as it being loose or cracked or need of some > type of dentistry that they > deem necessary. Not just because the patient wants > it done. > > Marcie > > > In a message dated 8/4/2004 5:17:08 PM Central > Standard Time, > jatrac1@... writes: > > > > But this doesn't address the more common situation > for us, wherein the > > patient asks to dentist to remove the amalgams > based on the patient's belief that > > they are unsafe. This addresses the dentist who > is initiating the removal > > based on his own beliefs. No dentist should hide > behind this if a patient is > > asking for the removal... > > > > JT > > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 Marcie, It was unfortunate you had a "pill" of a dentist. Mine had no problem removing my amalgam fillings. Let me ask the question, have you felt a real difference now that you've had them removed. I think all mine was, was the fact I had the mercury removed. Your thoughts. Keep smiling! From: marciemjm@... [mailto:marciemjm@...] Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 5:24 PMlow dose naltrexone Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Root canals? Something happened, and I got disconnected from the internet when I was responding to the statement that someone here printed up from the ADA's website. I think that may have been what the dentist showed me prior to discussing removal of my mercury amalgam fillings. It's been 4 years since I had this procedure done. At the time, I just knew without a doubt that I wanted them removed...no ifs, ands, or buts about it! The dentist who refused was very professional and polite about it. So was I. I just found a holistic dentist with the proper equipment for removal in the safest possible way. Just imagine the class action lawsuit that would ensue if the ADA ever retracted their stand and said, "Oops. We were wrong! Mercury placed a few inches away from your brain really isn't as safe as we once thought!" Of course, the statute of limitations would have run out for lots of people, but there would be enough left to do some major damage to the economy of ...well, I'm not sure what it would damage, but I know it would create chaos somewhere! Some lawyers would retire very wealthy!! Wait, didn't current administration put a cap on damages that can be claimed in these types of siuations??? What ever happened to 'first do NO harm'? OK. I'll get off of my soapbox!!! Just think about it...we are told as children, if a thermometer breaks, DON'T touch the mercury. It's poisonous! And all the while, dentists are packing it in our mouths, just this far (thumb and index finger about 2 - 3 inches apart) from our brains!!! Now, I'm no genious, but give me a break!!! Marcie (PPMS) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 Hey Marcie, My dentist removed mine, just because I wanted him to. To be totally honest, I had mine removed close to 10 years ago and I have not noticed a difference at all. There may be other people that might tell you differently. Good luck! From: marciemjm@... [mailto:marciemjm@...] Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 7:33 PMlow dose naltrexone Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Root canals? I was told that they can only remove mercury amalgams if they have a reason such as it being loose or cracked or need of some type of dentistry that they deem necessary. Not just because the patient wants it done. Marcie In a message dated 8/4/2004 5:17:08 PM Central Standard Time, jatrac1@... writes: But this doesn't address the more common situation for us, wherein the patient asks to dentist to remove the amalgams based on the patient's belief that they are unsafe. This addresses the dentist who is initiating the removal based on his own beliefs. No dentist should hide behind this if a patient is asking for the removal... JT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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