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i tested pos. for lupus, ra, lyme (via western blot), and sjogrens. i

live in sw va, so the lyme test was considered to be a false

positive. NO lyme test is accurate. i took another western blot

and it was neg and 2 even better tests, LUAT's (which were

negative). depending upon where you live, the MD's either have a

clue or not. please email me as to where you live. i know of a

great MD in MD (several actually).

i tell you, in either case, you must treat yourself w/abx JUST IN

CASE. i took minocycline (the drug of choice for lyme) for 6 mo.

JUST IN CASE. so if you are on the abx protocol, that is a GOOD

THING.

Subject

: Re: i.v.'s for lyme

I asked about this just now so, , perhaps you can

share your

responses to my zillion questions with the List? My sister-in-law

just

got diagnosed with Lyme's (and I, myself, have to go get tested

because of

a tick bite a few weeks ago that gave me allergic reaction). My

sister-in-law said the dr. told her it appears to have been long term.

They originally thought she might've had RA. Her apptmt. to

discuss the

findings is Thursday. My own blood test will be whenever I get my

butt

over to the hospital to get it done..... but I am also inquiring about

the " Western blot " test vs. standard Lyme's test. My sister-in-law

originally tested negative with the standard but came out positive

with

the supposedly more sensitive Western blot. (?)

Babs

RA 8/98, DX 4/99, AP 11/99

200 mg. Minocin

112 mcg. Synthroid

2 mg. Hytrin

10 mg. Lipitor

Mestinon

Vits. & Misc. Suplmts.

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In a message dated 4/1/01 4:06:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

bodyforlife writes:

<< She says that once you are " lookinggood " , you want it all. She also has

manicures and pedicures on a regularbasis and she never did before. Has

anyone else experienced this upward turn in appearance maintenance for things

not addressed directly by BFLing? >>

After going from a size 12 to a size 8 in 9 weeks, I'm much more interested

in buying clothes and " looking good " because now I feel I have something to

work with. Before I felt it was kind of a lost cause so why bother? My best

friend and I finally used some SPA gift certificates our husbands bought us

for Xmas and had facials and pedicures done this weekend. My toenails are

polished and I bought some cute sandels to wear with a new pair of capri

jeans I bought recently. It makes me feel great!

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In a message dated 4/1/01 4:06:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

bodyforlife writes:

<< She says that once you are " lookinggood " , you want it all. She also has

manicures and pedicures on a regularbasis and she never did before. Has

anyone else experienced this upward turn in appearance maintenance for things

not addressed directly by BFLing? >>

After going from a size 12 to a size 8 in 9 weeks, I'm much more interested

in buying clothes and " looking good " because now I feel I have something to

work with. Before I felt it was kind of a lost cause so why bother? My best

friend and I finally used some SPA gift certificates our husbands bought us

for Xmas and had facials and pedicures done this weekend. My toenails are

polished and I bought some cute sandels to wear with a new pair of capri

jeans I bought recently. It makes me feel great!

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- Congrats on shrinking down to a size 8. I am a size 12 now

and would love to be an 8. I just finished my 4th week and am loving

BFL. Good luck to you as you head toward the 12week goal line! - AMY

> In a message dated 4/1/01 4:06:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> bodyforlife@y... writes:

>

> << She says that once you are " lookinggood " , you want it all. She

also has

> manicures and pedicures on a regularbasis and she never did

before. Has

> anyone else experienced this upward turn in appearance maintenance

for things

> not addressed directly by BFLing? >>

>

> After going from a size 12 to a size 8 in 9 weeks, I'm much more

interested

> in buying clothes and " looking good " because now I feel I have

something to

> work with. Before I felt it was kind of a lost cause so why

bother? My best

> friend and I finally used some SPA gift certificates our husbands

bought us

> for Xmas and had facials and pedicures done this weekend. My

toenails are

> polished and I bought some cute sandels to wear with a new pair of

capri

> jeans I bought recently. It makes me feel great!

>

>

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- Congrats on shrinking down to a size 8. I am a size 12 now

and would love to be an 8. I just finished my 4th week and am loving

BFL. Good luck to you as you head toward the 12week goal line! - AMY

> In a message dated 4/1/01 4:06:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> bodyforlife@y... writes:

>

> << She says that once you are " lookinggood " , you want it all. She

also has

> manicures and pedicures on a regularbasis and she never did

before. Has

> anyone else experienced this upward turn in appearance maintenance

for things

> not addressed directly by BFLing? >>

>

> After going from a size 12 to a size 8 in 9 weeks, I'm much more

interested

> in buying clothes and " looking good " because now I feel I have

something to

> work with. Before I felt it was kind of a lost cause so why

bother? My best

> friend and I finally used some SPA gift certificates our husbands

bought us

> for Xmas and had facials and pedicures done this weekend. My

toenails are

> polished and I bought some cute sandels to wear with a new pair of

capri

> jeans I bought recently. It makes me feel great!

>

>

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WOW you deserve it that is some clothes size difference.

Naomi

--- mlmcfee@... wrote:

> In a message dated 4/1/01 4:06:53 AM Eastern Daylight

> Time,

> bodyforlife writes:

>

> << She says that once you are " lookinggood " , you want it

> all. She also has

> manicures and pedicures on a regularbasis and she never

> did before. Has

> anyone else experienced this upward turn in appearance

> maintenance for things

> not addressed directly by BFLing? >>

>

> After going from a size 12 to a size 8 in 9 weeks, I'm

> much more interested

> in buying clothes and " looking good " because now I feel I

> have something to

> work with. Before I felt it was kind of a lost cause so

> why bother? My best

> friend and I finally used some SPA gift certificates our

> husbands bought us

> for Xmas and had facials and pedicures done this weekend.

> My toenails are

> polished and I bought some cute sandels to wear with a

> new pair of capri

> jeans I bought recently. It makes me feel great!

>

>

>

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WOW you deserve it that is some clothes size difference.

Naomi

--- mlmcfee@... wrote:

> In a message dated 4/1/01 4:06:53 AM Eastern Daylight

> Time,

> bodyforlife writes:

>

> << She says that once you are " lookinggood " , you want it

> all. She also has

> manicures and pedicures on a regularbasis and she never

> did before. Has

> anyone else experienced this upward turn in appearance

> maintenance for things

> not addressed directly by BFLing? >>

>

> After going from a size 12 to a size 8 in 9 weeks, I'm

> much more interested

> in buying clothes and " looking good " because now I feel I

> have something to

> work with. Before I felt it was kind of a lost cause so

> why bother? My best

> friend and I finally used some SPA gift certificates our

> husbands bought us

> for Xmas and had facials and pedicures done this weekend.

> My toenails are

> polished and I bought some cute sandels to wear with a

> new pair of capri

> jeans I bought recently. It makes me feel great!

>

>

>

=====

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Just a thought, but I have recently become Vegan and have read a lot about

calciuma nd protien and all that and from what i have learned is that there

is way too much protien in cows milk to absorb the calcium in it, and that it

actually will leach the calcium out of your bones to process the protien. I

dont know just how true that is, but I suppose that if you combine that with

eating meats as well, I think that it could definately cause a problem.

Just a thought.

Jo-Ann

In a message dated 5/15/01 4:38:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

bowel cleanse writes:

<< That's interesting Donna. I am open to the idea.

I used to drink a quart of organic milk a day for

about a year (and got sick of it), and ate plain

yogurt frequently with no change in the cramping. I

never even thought of it being a calcium deficiency.

Maybe I can't absorb calcium properly. Any ideas?

>>

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In a message dated 11/19/2001 6:14:08 AM Eastern Standard Time,

harding@... writes:

>

> Here's one of thousands. This one concerns the treatment of breast

> cancer with tamoxifen:

>

>

yeah..and women taking tamoxifen die from strokes!!! My mother was one of

them- and my friend's mother was another. Both had surgery and my mom took

chemo and both took tamoxifen. Both died within 6 months of each other. You

don't see that little fact in the report do you? OR the fact that women get

uterine cancer from tamoxifen!

So which is worse, the disease or the cure?????

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In a message dated 11/19/2001 9:07:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,

ronlwilson@... writes:

> Their was attempt to save them, Did not work. doing the best they knew how.

> The real problem is in the know how. No magic bullets.

>

> Have lost both parents and bunch of uncles and ants. Have questions also,

> mainly late discover of problem.

>

exactly! and when the attempt is so toxic that it kills you, you use

alternative methods, hence this list and we have now come full circle!

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wrote:

> From: roses0215@...

> Subject: Re: Re: New anti-cancer formula

[...]

> Physician heal thyself-----WHERE are the scientific studies that PROVE that

> CONVENTIONAL TREATMENTS HEAL CANCER!?!? There are NONE because it DOES NOT!!

Here's one of thousands. This one concerns the treatment of breast

cancer with tamoxifen:

http://www.ctsu.ox.ac.uk/pressreleases/early_br_can_survival_1998.shtml

Hard numbers quoted form the above:

" Among women aged under 50 whose cancer had already spread to the local

lymph glands

at the time of surgery ( " node-positive " ), some months of chemotherapy

typically

prevented about 11 deaths during the next 10 years for every 100 women

treated.

But, among younger women with no evidence of disease spread, the

benefits of

chemotherapy were also substantial - about 7 fewer deaths per 100

treated.

Chemotherapy produced a small, but real, improvement in survival - of

about 2-3

lives saved per 100 - for women in their 50s and 60s whose cancer was

either

node-positive or node-negative. "

Note the phrase in the above is LIVES SAVED. We're not joking here.

> From: " Moran " <pjmoran@...>

> Subject: RE: Digest Number 832

> Vince, your hero, doesn't even know of all the controlled trials showing

> that Saw Palmetto is probably as good as some conventional treatments for

> inoperable prostate cancer. Do you want the references, Vince?

I'd be very interested.

--

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Their was attempt to save them, Did not work. doing the best they knew how.

The real problem is in the know how. No magic bullets.

Have lost both parents and bunch of uncles and ants. Have questions also,

mainly late discover of problem.

Re: [ ] Digest Number 833

> In a message dated 11/19/2001 6:14:08 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> harding@... writes:

>

>

> >

> > Here's one of thousands. This one concerns the treatment of breast

> > cancer with tamoxifen:

> >

> >

>

> yeah..and women taking tamoxifen die from strokes!!! My mother was one of

> them- and my friend's mother was another. Both had surgery and my mom

took

> chemo and both took tamoxifen. Both died within 6 months of each other.

You

> don't see that little fact in the report do you? OR the fact that women

get

> uterine cancer from tamoxifen!

> So which is worse, the disease or the cure?????

>

>

>

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I agree with you that chemo, is toxic if fact poison, that their is small

chance when cancer has spread. Even worse is when a aged person with spread

and in fragile shape is assaulted with it, the out come has little

question. Their last days are in pain and shortened.

Family may be the cause in some cases demanding that every thing possible is

done. Their are cases I believe where profit is the motive. Know of 85 and

90 year olds with wide spread and fragile being given it.

Standard medicine is with out question blind sighting any thing out side of

their limited world. Have personal experience of that, in fact they came

close to killing me off. Their is cracks in their wall getting wider each

year in spite of the drug makers.

Less toxic ones are becoming available and the numbers are showing that use

before or after surgery to kill off the stray cancer cell for some would be

a good move.

Most people go to their doctor, trust them to fix their problem. Never

thinking of questioning their treatment. This is the real world right or

wrong.

I held anger and resentment when they screwed up and nearly killed me, still

have a little. Am makeing every effort to clear my mind. Am in a fight to

live and can not afford any thing clouding my judgment.

Ron

Re: [ ] Digest Number 833

> In a message dated 11/19/2001 9:07:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> ronlwilson@... writes:

>

>

> > Their was attempt to save them, Did not work. doing the best they knew

how.

> > The real problem is in the know how. No magic bullets.

> >

> > Have lost both parents and bunch of uncles and ants. Have questions

also,

> > mainly late discover of problem.

> >

>

> exactly! and when the attempt is so toxic that it kills you, you use

> alternative methods, hence this list and we have now come full circle!

>

>

>

>

>

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I recently became upset when I found out Etopside, one

of the three chemo agents my girlfriend is on, may

shrink certain types of tumors very quickly but the

chances of acquiring an incurable form of leukemia is

more than 20% even if you make it past the cancer.

Marty

--- roses0215@... wrote:

> In a message dated 11/19/2001 6:14:08 AM Eastern

> Standard Time,

> harding@... writes:

>

>

> >

> > Here's one of thousands. This one concerns the

> treatment of breast

> > cancer with tamoxifen:

> >

> >

>

> yeah..and women taking tamoxifen die from strokes!!!

> My mother was one of

> them- and my friend's mother was another. Both had

> surgery and my mom took

> chemo and both took tamoxifen. Both died within 6

> months of each other. You

> don't see that little fact in the report do you? OR

> the fact that women get

> uterine cancer from tamoxifen!

> So which is worse, the disease or the cure?????

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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In a message dated 12/16/01 8:39:48 PM, writes:

<< A 7 fits Caiti perfectly in the length, but not around the middle. An 8

is

too long. But she wants to wear jeans. >>

You might try half sizes. Sears carries girls half size jeans My daughter

wears a 12 1/2. They are a little bigger around the middle (right where she

needs it!) and the length is just about right. She cant' wear either a 12,

14, or 16 regular..but the 12 1/2 works great :-)

Target used to carry girls half sizes, but I don't think they do anymore.

Walmart carries some too ( I think they are Jordache)

M.

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In a message dated 12/16/01 8:39:48 PM, writes:

<< A 7 fits Caiti perfectly in the length, but not around the middle. An 8

is

too long. But she wants to wear jeans. >>

You might try half sizes. Sears carries girls half size jeans My daughter

wears a 12 1/2. They are a little bigger around the middle (right where she

needs it!) and the length is just about right. She cant' wear either a 12,

14, or 16 regular..but the 12 1/2 works great :-)

Target used to carry girls half sizes, but I don't think they do anymore.

Walmart carries some too ( I think they are Jordache)

M.

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In a message dated 10/9/03 1:57:36 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

SSRI medications writes:

> " ECT has

> remained a controversial treatment in psychiatry

> since its introduction more than six decades ago. "

>

>

Is that reference to its introduction into the slaughterhouses in Italy to

subdue the pigs as they were about to be murdered??????? This practice should

be outlawed as cruel and barbaric; that there are even discussions about this

monstrous procedure is totally disgusting. I believe it was either Time or

Newsweek a year or so ago that wrote an article hailing ECT as the BEST cure for

depression. Who's orchestrating this campaign, ph Goebbels????

<A HREF= " http://anxiety-panic.com/griffon " >Blind Reason</A>

a novel of espionage and pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again.

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In a message dated 10/9/03 1:57:36 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

SSRI medications writes:

> " ECT has

> remained a controversial treatment in psychiatry

> since its introduction more than six decades ago. "

>

>

Is that reference to its introduction into the slaughterhouses in Italy to

subdue the pigs as they were about to be murdered??????? This practice should

be outlawed as cruel and barbaric; that there are even discussions about this

monstrous procedure is totally disgusting. I believe it was either Time or

Newsweek a year or so ago that wrote an article hailing ECT as the BEST cure for

depression. Who's orchestrating this campaign, ph Goebbels????

<A HREF= " http://anxiety-panic.com/griffon " >Blind Reason</A>

a novel of espionage and pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again.

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In Newsweek last year there was a paid ad that looked a lot like an article.

It's the one with the Muslim Woman on the cover.

I had it, it discussed all the drug treatment and if that didn't work then there

was always ECT.

It's hard to look at. I have co-workers here at CCHR that helped put in the best

laws to date in the US against ECT

(in the 90's) watch psychiatrists go bonkers on the thought of the loss of such

a " Life saving treatment "

Even lobotomy is still round they just use different names and " high-tech "

lasers.

And don't forget the new magnet devices they are experimenting with for brain

treatments.

Peace,

Jim

Re: Digest Number 833

In a message dated 10/9/03 1:57:36 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

SSRI medications writes:

> " ECT has

> remained a controversial treatment in psychiatry

> since its introduction more than six decades ago. "

>

>

Is that reference to its introduction into the slaughterhouses in Italy to

subdue the pigs as they were about to be murdered??????? This practice should

be outlawed as cruel and barbaric; that there are even discussions about this

monstrous procedure is totally disgusting. I believe it was either Time or

Newsweek a year or so ago that wrote an article hailing ECT as the BEST cure

for

depression. Who's orchestrating this campaign, ph Goebbels????

<A HREF= " http://anxiety-panic.com/griffon " >Blind Reason</A>

a novel of espionage and pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again.

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In Newsweek last year there was a paid ad that looked a lot like an article.

It's the one with the Muslim Woman on the cover.

I had it, it discussed all the drug treatment and if that didn't work then there

was always ECT.

It's hard to look at. I have co-workers here at CCHR that helped put in the best

laws to date in the US against ECT

(in the 90's) watch psychiatrists go bonkers on the thought of the loss of such

a " Life saving treatment "

Even lobotomy is still round they just use different names and " high-tech "

lasers.

And don't forget the new magnet devices they are experimenting with for brain

treatments.

Peace,

Jim

Re: Digest Number 833

In a message dated 10/9/03 1:57:36 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

SSRI medications writes:

> " ECT has

> remained a controversial treatment in psychiatry

> since its introduction more than six decades ago. "

>

>

Is that reference to its introduction into the slaughterhouses in Italy to

subdue the pigs as they were about to be murdered??????? This practice should

be outlawed as cruel and barbaric; that there are even discussions about this

monstrous procedure is totally disgusting. I believe it was either Time or

Newsweek a year or so ago that wrote an article hailing ECT as the BEST cure

for

depression. Who's orchestrating this campaign, ph Goebbels????

<A HREF= " http://anxiety-panic.com/griffon " >Blind Reason</A>

a novel of espionage and pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again.

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RE: Deaf Culture

I personally think that when it comes to children, the deaf " culture "

community should keep their opinions to themselves. It is the parents

right to make the decision that is best for their family. Culture is

what you have with your family and the traditions you keep with them.

Just because you are born deaf does not mean you automatically have deaf

culture. When we were making the CI decision for my daughter, my

husband and I were verbally insulted, we were told we had no right to

raise our daughter because we are not deaf. No one loves or cares for

the well being of my child more that I do, so let the parents make

informed decisions that are best for their family.

GIna

Mom of Sydney

N24 1997

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I am sorry that you had a bad experience. You do mention a key point "

let parents make informed decisions " that is exactly why I am posting to

this group. To give hearing parents an opertunity to hear from Deaf

adults. And listen to their experiences growing up so that you can make

that " informed decision " . I will leave it at that and wish you the best

with your daughter as this is obviously a very emotional issue for you.

You also have the option of not reading anything people post to the

group.

DJ

On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 9:43am, G Pesko wrote:

> RE: Deaf Culture

> I personally think that when it comes to children, the deaf " culture "

> community should keep their opinions to themselves. It is the parents

> right to make the decision that is best for their family. Culture is

> what you have with your family and the traditions you keep with them.

> Just because you are born deaf does not mean you automatically have

> deaf

> culture. When we were making the CI decision for my daughter, my

> husband and I were verbally insulted, we were told we had no right to

> raise our daughter because we are not deaf. No one loves or cares for

> the well being of my child more that I do, so let the parents make

> informed decisions that are best for their family.

> GIna

> Mom of Sydney

> N24 1997

>

> ________________________________________________________________

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Touche' Jarom!

However, we do need to blend into cultural settings so the majority would accept

us for who we are, and what we know. I think it was nne who said that

" trying to speak 'their' language gets you more respect. Here's my thoughts:

I live in a county that is nearly 55% Hispanic to the point that anyone coming

down here from the far ends of USA would feel like stepping into a different

country. I learned a lot of Spanish words to communicate with the immigrants

here who have some trouble with their English. It helped us a lot, and proves

the point nne made. The people who speak Spanish AND English respect me

more because I try to speak in their native language when I do not speak it

fluently. I don't even try to pronounce Spanish words yet, but I do try. They

understand why because of my deafness. I don't always speak very clearly in my

own language and they know that.

I also have deaf friends but like Jarom, not much exposure these days to the

deaf culture. Just by being deaf, and knowing fluent sign language I would be

accepted into deaf culture just as much as speaking fluent Spanish if I walked

away from an airport anywhere in South America. You are part of deaf culture

anytime you sign, hang out with deaf people, and so on. You only make choices

that you want to benefit from. There is no black and white because there are so

many different kinds of " deaf " people out there now. Oral, ASL, implanted,

nonimplanted, etc. etc.

I wasn't even labeled anything in high school because I blended in almost every

group wherever I felt like hanging out with friends who are in this, or that

group. One day, I would be hanging out with potheads and later in the afternoon,

the jocks. That is the way I always have been. I can understand what Jarom and

nne are saying based on the experiences. Same as going local when

traveling. Doing their things also earn you respect.

If I am part of deaf culture because I spend time with deaf people, then that is

fine with me. The most important thing is people need to respect others' beliefs

and act accordingly. I don't always agree with what some deaf people do, or

doing these days but this is me, and that is them. Just like what everyone else

would do hearing or deaf.

Islandbreeze/

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Judie,

Sorry you had trouble at the front desk. I did tell them that we were

the Tukwila Bandster Group, but they seemed to be real ditzy.

Next month is at Applebee's and we'll make a little sign to put on the

table.

-Roxanne

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