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Hi, Penney;

After reading Seroussi's article in Parents magazine in Feb.

2000, I had my son tested for gluten and casein only. The

screening showed a high intolerance to both. I then put him on the

diet. After more research, I put him back on gluten for awhile,

tried cod liver oil (no results), then did a full range of testing

for allergies and yeast. He again showed problems for gluten, casein

and eggs and some other somewhat elevated scores. He also had a

yeast problem. Over the course of the next year, I removed many more

foods that my son became intolerant of, plus had him on the Feingold

and Candida diet.

My son started the HNI enzymes about nine weeks ago. My intent was

to use them with the diet for occasional infractions. After eating

restaurant food with the enzymes and observing no reactions, I

quickly changed my mind and gave the enzymes with every meal. Within

two weeks, we saw many improvements which were confirmed by school

personnel. I continued to allow planned diet infractions.

Gradually, after feeling confident that no behavioral reactions were

surfacing, I added back a variety of foods. After several weeks; I

realized my son was no longer eating rice crackers; garbonzo bean

cookies; and egg-free, yeast-free, vinegar-free rice bread. In fact,

he was eating only " regular " foods. I did not admit for awhile that

I allowed him completely to eat the foods I so recently viewed

as " poison " ; it transpired so much quicker than I intended. I think

I moved through this process rapidly because my son's food reactions

in the past were so obvious and consistent. Therefore, I was

comfortable making the assessment that he was not having any food

reactions once on the enzymes.

I would encourage you to plan out your course of action carefully. I

think remaining on the diet at first while on the enzymes is

advisable in most cases. If your son has a reaction to the enzymes,

you want to be sure of the source of the problem. Once confident

your son can tolerate the enzymes, then you could consider adding

back a variety of foods.

My son's behavior has improved in many ways and he also looks so much

healthier. You can read about him in the " Success Stories " located

in the " Files " section you can click on to the left in the yellow box.

Please keep us updated whatever the outcome may be.

Kelley

> Hi:

>

> I am brand new to the group as of today. First I'll give

> you a little background before the questions. My son

> was diagnosed autistic at two. He will be five next month.

> We have done ABA/VB therapy for two years. We have been

> chelating him for toxic metals for exactly one year and

> have been doing FGF(Fibroblast Growth Factor)injections

> for nine months. He has been treated on many different

> occassions for yeast and also clostridium. He has been

> on the GFCF diet for 19 months. I had the test done

> on him. He is basically intolerant to almost everything.

> He's not suppose to have gluten, casein, soy (IMPOSSIBLE),

> rice, yeast, eggs, peanuts and other nuts, and I can't

> even remember everything else right now. Even with all these

> interventions, he is still cognitively at maybe two years old.

>

> The diet is the most frustrating and difficult part of

> his autism right now. I think we would both be so much

> happier if he could eat whatever. I had only given him

> Kirkman's Enzymaid when he got something by accident.

> The diet never showed any major changes for us. I do

> think casein is and always will be a problem. I've never

> really did a challenge with the diet other than accidents.

> But I'm really frustrated with it. All he will eat are

> french fries, corn chips, Kosher hot dogs and apple juice.

> Saturday my daughter had two friends over. During the course of

> the day Kenzie got a poptart, two oreos and a graham cracker.

> These foods are generally pretty well hidden and prohibited and

> my girls arent' allowed to eat them in front of him. Well of

> course, he was diggin' that good stuff and now he's constantly

> wanting me to open the pantry and get these foods.

>

> Finally, my question. I'm wondering how many of you have had

> your children tested and showed they should be on the diet but

> are using digestive enzymes successfully with the forbidden foods.

> What enzymes are you using and how many per day? I'm so afraid

> to take him off the diet for fear of eventual regression but I'm

> so sick of him not eating anything and wanting what's bad for

> him. He's not good at trying new " safe " foods but always willing

> to go for the bad stuff. I just don't want to throw away 19 months

> of this diet and yet I would love to get information that says

> with the enzymes it would be ok. I am working with a holistic

> physician who completely believes in the value of the diet.

>

> Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>

> Thanks

> Penny

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Your son sounds EXACTLY like mine. My son reacts to ALL foods

except maybe 6, but I have never had him tested, I just learned

everything by trial and error. If you go to the files section on the

left here, go to success stories, and then Dana, you can read my son's

story. The HNI enzymes do help him with most foods, but not all, and

I do have to be careful about the balance of foods I give him,

especially foods high in phenols.

I use the Peptizyde for gluten/casein/proteins, and the Zyme Prime for

carbs/fats/other stuff. One capsule per meal, sometimes more if I

know he will be over-eating " problem " foods.

I would recommend you begin with enzymes while still gfcf, for about a

week or two, to see if your son does okay with them. Then if you

would like, you can do infractions. I am still trying to figure out

certain things and foods my son can eat with the enzymes, but I have

found that I can give at least one meal per day with gluten/casein, so

long as it is not too much gluten/casein. My son has been gfcf for 18

months, and the introduction of gluten/casein last month has not

brought me any problems, provided like I said before that I monitor

just exactly how much of it he eats per meal. My biggest problem now

is phenols. There are some highly phenolic foods that my son just

cannot eat even with enzymes. But some he can eat in small amounts.

But that sure is better than eating only the 6-7 foods I was giving

him before. I introduce one new food every 2-3 days, I tried honey

first, then potatoes, then bananas, etc. Those foods were okay. The

peanut butter was a definite NEGATIVE. Also he did not do well with

apricots and cantalope, which are both orange so therefore high in

phenols, but then so are bananas so go figure. Anyway introduce new

foods that your son previously reacted to, one at a time.

For your first g/c infraction, you can do casein instead of gluten,

because if the enzymes don't help your son, at least all the casein

leaves his body after 3 days anyway. Then if that works okay, try a

little gluten, like maybe one cracker or something, and see what

happens. Do give the infractions with an entire Peptizyde capsule

tho, and open it first instead of giving the whole capsule, because

they take too long to dissolve. That way you have the best chance of

seeing if the enzyme will allow you to have infractions or whatever.

I think there is also information in the files section on how to give

the enzymes too.

Well good luck to you.

> Hi:

>

> I am brand new to the group as of today. First I'll give

> you a little background before the questions. My son

> was diagnosed autistic at two. He will be five next month.

> We have done ABA/VB therapy for two years. We have been

> chelating him for toxic metals for exactly one year and

> have been doing FGF(Fibroblast Growth Factor)injections

> for nine months. He has been treated on many different

> occassions for yeast and also clostridium. He has been

> on the GFCF diet for 19 months. I had the test done

> on him. He is basically intolerant to almost everything.

> He's not suppose to have gluten, casein, soy (IMPOSSIBLE),

> rice, yeast, eggs, peanuts and other nuts, and I can't

> even remember everything else right now. Even with all these

> interventions, he is still cognitively at maybe two years old.

>

> The diet is the most frustrating and difficult part of

> his autism right now. I think we would both be so much

> happier if he could eat whatever. I had only given him

> Kirkman's Enzymaid when he got something by accident.

> The diet never showed any major changes for us. I do

> think casein is and always will be a problem. I've never

> really did a challenge with the diet other than accidents.

> But I'm really frustrated with it. All he will eat are

> french fries, corn chips, Kosher hot dogs and apple juice.

> Saturday my daughter had two friends over. During the course of

> the day Kenzie got a poptart, two oreos and a graham cracker.

> These foods are generally pretty well hidden and prohibited and

> my girls arent' allowed to eat them in front of him. Well of

> course, he was diggin' that good stuff and now he's constantly

> wanting me to open the pantry and get these foods.

>

> Finally, my question. I'm wondering how many of you have had

> your children tested and showed they should be on the diet but

> are using digestive enzymes successfully with the forbidden foods.

> What enzymes are you using and how many per day? I'm so afraid

> to take him off the diet for fear of eventual regression but I'm

> so sick of him not eating anything and wanting what's bad for

> him. He's not good at trying new " safe " foods but always willing

> to go for the bad stuff. I just don't want to throw away 19 months

> of this diet and yet I would love to get information that says

> with the enzymes it would be ok. I am working with a holistic

> physician who completely believes in the value of the diet.

>

> Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>

> Thanks

> Penny

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Penny,

Super advice from Dana. I needed to add that my son takes one

Peptizyde and one HN-Zyme Prime with each meal and snack. I am

doubling the dose whenever he has a larger amount of phenols because

phenols have been such a problem for him and I also double the dose

if I have any doubts at all about whether or not I've given enough to

cover a meal in general. I open the capsules and mix the enzymes in

a little Kool-Aid (I believe it has gluten) or juice and give it just

before the meal.

> > Hi:

> >

> > I am brand new to the group as of today. First I'll give

> > you a little background before the questions. My son

> > was diagnosed autistic at two. He will be five next month.

> > We have done ABA/VB therapy for two years. We have been

> > chelating him for toxic metals for exactly one year and

> > have been doing FGF(Fibroblast Growth Factor)injections

> > for nine months. He has been treated on many different

> > occassions for yeast and also clostridium. He has been

> > on the GFCF diet for 19 months. I had the test done

> > on him. He is basically intolerant to almost everything.

> > He's not suppose to have gluten, casein, soy (IMPOSSIBLE),

> > rice, yeast, eggs, peanuts and other nuts, and I can't

> > even remember everything else right now. Even with all these

> > interventions, he is still cognitively at maybe two years old.

> >

> > The diet is the most frustrating and difficult part of

> > his autism right now. I think we would both be so much

> > happier if he could eat whatever. I had only given him

> > Kirkman's Enzymaid when he got something by accident.

> > The diet never showed any major changes for us. I do

> > think casein is and always will be a problem. I've never

> > really did a challenge with the diet other than accidents.

> > But I'm really frustrated with it. All he will eat are

> > french fries, corn chips, Kosher hot dogs and apple juice.

> > Saturday my daughter had two friends over. During the course of

> > the day Kenzie got a poptart, two oreos and a graham cracker.

> > These foods are generally pretty well hidden and prohibited and

> > my girls arent' allowed to eat them in front of him. Well of

> > course, he was diggin' that good stuff and now he's constantly

> > wanting me to open the pantry and get these foods.

> >

> > Finally, my question. I'm wondering how many of you have had

> > your children tested and showed they should be on the diet but

> > are using digestive enzymes successfully with the forbidden foods.

> > What enzymes are you using and how many per day? I'm so afraid

> > to take him off the diet for fear of eventual regression but I'm

> > so sick of him not eating anything and wanting what's bad for

> > him. He's not good at trying new " safe " foods but always willing

> > to go for the bad stuff. I just don't want to throw away 19

months

> > of this diet and yet I would love to get information that says

> > with the enzymes it would be ok. I am working with a holistic

> > physician who completely believes in the value of the diet.

> >

> > Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Penny

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My son is 3 1/2 and diagnosed autisitic, maybe ADHD, also SID. We

had a significant casein and gluten issue borne out by the blood test done

at U of Fla., never found out about the rest because those two were bad

enough. Retrospectively, I believe he had many other issues with corn, soy,

etc. But for the same reason as you, we just got very concerned about

taking everything out, so tried to moderate. We were fortunate that he

would eat veggies, meat and potatoes, so I at least got one good meal in

him.

We challenged the diet using the peptizyde and had a few struggles, but

found out that it was more the timing of the enzymes rather than their

effectiveness. We just added the Zyme Prime because I believe that we have

(had?) phenol problems. Right now our only problem appears to be a

possibility of constipation because after two or three days of great stools,

they go mushy. And he's having problems going on the potty when he's

obviously showing signs that he needs to.

Anyway, bottom line is we are ditching the gfcf (except for school

snacks--he's still not old enough to monitor his own intakes and I don't

want to get into the nurse's office stuff for now) and I have enough

confidence now that the administration of the enzymes are so important to

the success of going back on regular food. By the way, we are also going

nitrate/nitrite free, and have been as much as possible color/dye/chemical

free too.

I am optimistic that you will also see extremely wonderful benefits. Feel

free to contact me directly to chat further if you'd like...

Lynn in MD

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Penny- Have you read the book " Say Goodby to Allergy Related Autism? "

You can find it at NAET.com. The goal is to eliminate all of your child's

food allergies so they can live a normal life.

Pat O.

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So where are all of these autism trained NAET pr.'s? Doesn't help much to read

the book unless you have a practioner. The NAET site just lists anyone who has

taken the NAET course. Is there an autism NAET list or website?

Sara

Re: [ ] New with questions

Penny- Have you read the book " Say Goodby to Allergy Related Autism? "

You can find it at NAET.com. The goal is to eliminate all of your child's

food allergies so they can live a normal life.

Pat O.

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Sara,

I agree. I have been trying to find out more about NAET. Most

everyone agrees that the results are completely based on getting

a " good " practitioner. The trouble is, I haven't found any way to

tell if you have a " good " practitioner. The other thing is that I was

told you need to have other metabolic disorders fixed first or there

is a good chance it won't work at all - like yeast infections, you

must detox the body of metals and other stuff, detox the liver so it

works right, heal a leaky gut, etc.

To me, getting all that other stuff fixed is a lot of what we are

dealing with. Afterwards, we can try the NAET if we can ever find

a " good " practioner. I was told to always check with several other

parents of ASD kids and get their opinion, not just the word or

marketing of the practioner. Practioners can do it however they like,

so maybe they use a new protocal, maybe an old one, maybe they put in

their own ideas at the same time. I am still learning.

.

> So where are all of these autism trained NAET pr.'s? Doesn't help

much to read the book unless you have a practioner. The NAET site

just lists anyone who has taken the NAET course. Is there an autism

NAET list or website?

>

> Sara

> Re: [ ] New with questions

>

>

> Penny- Have you read the book " Say Goodby to Allergy Related

Autism? "

> You can find it at NAET.com. The goal is to eliminate all of your

child's

> food allergies so they can live a normal life.

> Pat O.

>

>

>

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There is a list at mailto:AllergyRelatedVaccineInducedAutism

Many people on this list are doing NAET. I would start there looking for

recommendations of good NAET practitioners.

My chiropractor (New York City area) does n.o.t. (Neural Organization Technique)

which is similar but covers all areas of the body, including endocrine system,

and can address immune problems and learning disabilities specifically, in

addition to the allergy elimination. I would highly recommend his methods. If

you would like to e-mail me off list for more information, I'd be glad to

provide it.

Hope this helps.

Joan

Re: [ ] New with questions

Penny- Have you read the book " Say Goodby to Allergy Related Autism? "

You can find it at NAET.com. The goal is to eliminate all of your child's

food allergies so they can live a normal life.

Pat O.

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Sara-I am doing my very best to train NAET Advanced Practioners all over the

world. I teach seminars on the Metabolic Pathways of Autism. If you put

your zip code in at NAET.com, you will get a list of Pr's. Then you can call

them to see if they have advanced training. We have had parents get together

and send a pr for training. The results are well worth the effort. The

NAET Symposium will be held in Orlando on July 29th. Research will be

presented and a one day information symposium on Metabolic Pathways will be

presented.

Pat O.

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Sara- You find a good NAET PR just like a good M.D. Now we all know they are

not the same. ASK questions. Have you had advanced training to treat

specifically Autistic Children? Have you been trained in the Metabolica

Pathways Protocol?

Do you send home Treatment vials? Do you educate your parents and make them

a part of the treament team? You definitely DO NOT have to go through heavy

metal detox or treatment for intestinal dysbiosis BEFORE NAET. This is

beauty of the NAET therapy- it addresses all of those elemnts in a very

methodical, simple way using the frequencies of each item that is blocked.

We have childrens bowels totally change without taking one enzyme. We can

turn on enzymes that do not appear to be functioning. I love enzymes and

suggest their use a great deal, but only when the children have been cleared

of any allergic reaction to them and only if they are truly needed. Our

cancer clients utilize them more than anyone. We have found aAutistic

children react very well to homeopathic enzymes. They love them because they

taste like water.

Pat O.

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Joan,

Does that mean that if my guys who have PDD/SID due to a neuro-immune

problem do both of these techniques, I can say

SID does N.O.T. do NAET.

LOLOLOLOL. Sorry, sorry. Just struck me as I read that. ;)

Thanks for the group notice. I wouldn't have guessed that and

will check it out. Also, since we are looking for a new specialist at

the moment, I am interested in the N.O.T. as well.

.

P.S. with Peptizyde, I am now GFCF = GoForCoFfee diet.

> There is a list at mailto:AllergyRelatedVaccineInducedAutism@y...

Many people on this list are doing NAET. I would start there looking

for recommendations of good NAET practitioners.

>

> My chiropractor (New York City area) does n.o.t. (Neural

Organization Technique) which is similar but covers all areas of the

body, including endocrine system, and can address immune problems and

learning disabilities specifically, in addition to the allergy

elimination. I would highly recommend his methods. If you would

like to e-mail me off list for more information, I'd be glad to

provide it.

>

> Hope this helps.

> Joan

>

> Re: [ ] New with questions

>

>

> Penny- Have you read the book " Say Goodby to Allergy Related

Autism? "

> You can find it at NAET.com. The goal is to eliminate all of your

child's

> food allergies so they can live a normal life.

> Pat O.

>

>

>

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Hi Dana. My name is Kellie. I have a one year old son named . The reason I'm responding to you because you mentioned you were military and were wondering about military insurance. My husband just got out of the Air Force, and he was stationed at McChord AFB, Washington. (I never got the full effect of being a military wife, though,because I am from Washington, and I met him at his last duty station.) Anyway, as many people dealing with Tricare might tell you, Tricare usually denies coverage for the helmets. I have heard somewhere that they have paid at least once, but I can't remember who that was.

First of all, let me please just warn you, since you haven't yet addressed a doctor about this problem. THEY ARE GOING TO TELL YOU THAT IT WILL ROUND OUT ON ITS OWN, and not to worry. Doctors do not take this condition seriously enough at this point in time. We noticed my son's plagio at 2 months, and no one even told me anything about repositioning or anything. It was just, "It will round out on its own.." until he was six months old. Then someone finally said, "I think he should see a craniofacial specialist."

Here is something not many people know about Tricare. They will not pay for the helmets, most likely, unless appealed, appealed, and appealed. However, there is an army hospital in Washington that is just doing the helmets. You know how the Government can pretty much do anything at any cost. Well, that's what they're doing. We just lucked out that we were attending Madigan Army medical center at the time, and they said they just do these helmets. I know it sounds weird, but it's true. After a month of repositioning with no success, was fitted with his helmet and received it. However, he got it a week before my husband's discharge. He wore it for maybe two weeks, and the military would not allow us to get a pass to get on post to get the adjustments, so that was a big waste of time for us. Now, at a year old, he received his "civilian" helmet and is doing okay in that.

I tell you this because I wonder if your husband could get some kind of medical orders to Ft. , WA, so your child could undergo helmet therapy here. Madigan is one of the bigger military hospitals in the country, so I've heard of a lot of people gettting stationed here because of medical conditions. It's whether you can get the military to look at your son's condition as warranting a move. I don't know where you are stationed. But I just thought I'd throw that out there. Just in case, the doctor's name, the craniofacial specialist at Madigan, is Dr. Novia. He is extremely nice. You have to be kind of pushy about what you want, but he will listen to you. That is the main point that many people will tell you on here. I have learned that doctors don't know everything. You are the advocate for your child. If you think your child needs a helmet, get a helmet. If your gut tells you this is not going to get better, don't leave until you get the answers you want.

If you need any other info, let me know!

Kellie, mom of , helmeted 1/17/02, born 1/17/01!

Tacoma, WA

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Hi Dana and welcome. Sounds like you are a very conscientious mom - good for

you for doing your own research! 7 1/2 months is a good age to start if your

daughter does indeed need a helmet or band. Repositioning can be a very

effective tool and we have people in this group who have gotten all the

correction they desired with repositioning. Others have tried repositioning

and did not get the correction they wanted and ultimately decided to try the

helmet/band. Still others simply could not reposition - either their baby was

too strong willed or torticollis made it nearly impossible. If you do decide

to use a helmet/band you would want to get started just as soon as possible.

The earlier you start the better the correction you will get and the faster

it will come. I will caution you that peds don't always know about plagio

and, in fact, many of us here have had to educate our peds and insist on a

referral to a specialist. That is what I would recommend you ask for when you

meet with your ped. A specialist will be able to tell you more about plagio,

the treatment of it, the possible medical complications, etc.

Unfortunately I will say that most of our military members have had very bad

luck getting Tricare to cover the helmet. They simply do not recognize it as

a covered benefit. Some of the bands are expensive - DOCband is usually

$3,000, STARband is usually around $1,100 to $1,500 - this varies from region

to region. Some of the locally made helmets are as low as $700. The price of

the band covers the casting and all follow-up appointments/adjustments.

Sorry this got so long! You have come to the right place for advice and

answers. Please ask anything you wish and I hope you will stick with us and

keep us posted on your situation.

Marci (Mom to )

Oklahoma

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Hi Dana and welcome to the group! You have just joined one of the

best groups out there with some of the most helpful parents ever!

Good for you for taking things into your own hands and finding out

all this info on your own. Since you mentioned military, am I right

to assume that you have Tricare? I don't have Tricare myself, so I

will let those who have had to deal with it chime in and answer your

question for you.

Even though your daughter is 7 and half months, there is still plenty

of time to correct her plagio. We have parents here whose children

started wearing the bands at a much later age and still had some

really good improvement. I would think, however, that repositioning

at this age would be rather difficult since she is more mobile now.

You should try to print out any info that you can find to back

yourself up for the appt. on Monday.

I wish you luck at your appt. Be sure to let us know how it goes!

And again, welcome to the group!

Niki

Kaylie & Danny (STARband grads)

Phila., PA

> Hi,

> I just joined the group because my daughter has all the symptoms of

> plagiocephaly. I really am just learning about it. I didn't know

why

> my daughters head was not right, or why she had one cheek fuller

> than the other one. My research brought me to plagio. We have an

> appointment Monday afternoon with our pediatrician to discuss our

> concerns. My husband is in the military and was wondering if anyone

> here ever had any experience with military insurance. I guess that

> it is even if we end up needing a band. My daughter is already 7

1/2

> months old so I am afriad of them wanting to try the positioning

> first, and what if it doesn't work. I know that I probably sound

> really confusing, and I apologize. I just am so worried. I guess I

> will know more after we go to her appointment on Monday.

>

> Dana

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Dear Dana welcome to the site you found a wonderful place for support and to

get your questions answered. 7 1/2 months I s still a great time to get

treated. We have had a lot of military parents on this site who hopefully

will respond and provide you some great insight into how the insurance has

worked for them. Where are you currently stationed? That might help too-

incase there is another Mom close to you that has dealt with the same issues.

I hope your appointment goes well on Monday take lots of information on

Plagio to your pediatrician andif nothing else demand a referral to a

pediatric neurosurgeon or cranial facial specialist that can better evaluate

your little one's head. There is another condition called craniostynosis and

if nothing else you will want to make sure you rule that condition

out-customarily done with x-rays or a CT scan-but the neuro can better advise

you in that area. I hope you have a ped that is open to all of this. SO many

moms will tell you they had otherwise andhad to fight tooth and nail-so stick

with your mommy instincts and push for further evaluation. What is the name

of the military ins again- I can search the archives for you and find some

older postings, You sound like great parents so keep up the good work and

welcome again!

Beck Mom to

Memphis, TN

doc grad

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Hi Dana:

Welcome to our group! There have been several of our group members

who have had military insurance, as Niki said, many of them used

Tricare. Maybe you could do a search of the archives to see what you

turn up. Type in Tricare & see what that would bring up for you.

I'm sure some of those members will reply to your post too.

7 1/2 mos is not too old to still get correction from a band or

helmet if that's the route you might decide to take. My daughter who

had severe plagio began her DOCband treatment at 11.5 mos., she wore

it 4.5 mos with about 50-60% correction. It is true though, that the

younger treatment begins, the better & faster the improvement will

be. But you could still get results if you begin " older " (funny how

we talk about a 7.5 mos old being old, hehe).

You have done a terrific job finding all this information on your

own. It is such a shame how pediatricians play plagio off as no big

deal that it will correct itself in time, or hair will cover any

flatness. You're doing the right thing by being so persistent &

learning all this thru the internet, thank goodness for the internet.

Have you been to www.plagiocephaly.org website yet? There is a ton

of helpful information on that site, along with a section

called " Questions for the doctor " . You might want to print that out

& bring it in for your appt Monday.

Please be sure to let us know how the appt goes. Best of luck &

welcome again.

Debbie Abby's mom DOCGrad

MI

>

>

> > Hi,

> > I just joined the group because my daughter has all the symptoms

of

> > plagiocephaly. I really am just learning about it. I didn't know

> why

> > my daughters head was not right, or why she had one cheek fuller

> > than the other one. My research brought me to plagio. We have an

> > appointment Monday afternoon with our pediatrician to discuss our

> > concerns. My husband is in the military and was wondering if

anyone

> > here ever had any experience with military insurance. I guess

that

> > it is even if we end up needing a band. My daughter is already 7

> 1/2

> > months old so I am afriad of them wanting to try the positioning

> > first, and what if it doesn't work. I know that I probably sound

> > really confusing, and I apologize. I just am so worried. I guess

I

> > will know more after we go to her appointment on Monday.

> >

> > Dana

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Kellie,

Well, my husband is in the Marine Corps, so the chances of them

sending us to an Army base are slim to none. We are stationed in

North Carolina. I am not looking forward to having to deal with

Tricare, but hopefully I can find more information from those who

have already dealt with them. I have been unsuccessful so far

searching the archives. Hopefully somebody who has been through this

will respond.

Dana

NC, USA

> Hi Dana. My name is Kellie. I have a one year old son named

. The

> reason I'm responding to you because you mentioned you were

military and were

> wondering about military insurance. My husband just got out of

the Air

> Force, and he was stationed at McChord AFB, Washington. (I never

got the

> full effect of being a military wife, though,because I am from

Washington,

> and I met him at his last duty station.) Anyway, as many people

dealing with

> Tricare might tell you, Tricare usually denies coverage for the

helmets. I

> have heard somewhere that they have paid at least once, but I

can't remember

> who that was.

>

> First of all, let me please just warn you, since you haven't yet

addressed a

> doctor about this problem. THEY ARE GOING TO TELL YOU THAT IT

WILL ROUND OUT

> ON ITS OWN, and not to worry. Doctors do not take this condition

seriously

> enough at this point in time. We noticed my son's plagio at 2

months, and no

> one even told me anything about repositioning or anything. It was

just, " It

> will round out on its own.. " until he was six months old. Then

someone

> finally said, " I think he should see a craniofacial specialist. "

>

> Here is something not many people know about Tricare. They will

not pay for

> the helmets, most likely, unless appealed, appealed, and

appealed. However,

> there is an army hospital in Washington that is just doing the

helmets. You

> know how the Government can pretty much do anything at any cost.

Well,

> that's what they're doing. We just lucked out that we were

attending Madigan

> Army medical center at the time, and they said they just do these

helmets. I

> know it sounds weird, but it's true. After a month of

repositioning with no

> success, was fitted with his helmet and received it.

However, he got

> it a week before my husband's discharge. He wore it for maybe two

weeks, and

> the military would not allow us to get a pass to get on post to

get the

> adjustments, so that was a big waste of time for us. Now, at a

year old, he

> received his " civilian " helmet and is doing okay in that.

>

> I tell you this because I wonder if your husband could get some

kind of

> medical orders to Ft. , WA, so your child could undergo

helmet therapy

> here. Madigan is one of the bigger military hospitals in the

country, so

> I've heard of a lot of people gettting stationed here because of

medical

> conditions. It's whether you can get the military to look at your

son's

> condition as warranting a move. I don't know where you are

stationed. But I

> just thought I'd throw that out there. Just in case, the

doctor's name, the

> craniofacial specialist at Madigan, is Dr. Novia. He is

extremely

> nice. You have to be kind of pushy about what you want, but he

will listen

> to you. That is the main point that many people will tell you on

here. I

> have learned that doctors don't know everything. You are the

advocate for

> your child. If you think your child needs a helmet, get a

helmet. If your

> gut tells you this is not going to get better, don't leave until

you get the

> answers you want.

>

> If you need any other info, let me know!

>

> Kellie, mom of , helmeted 1/17/02, born 1/17/01!

> Tacoma, WA

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,

First, welcome - second, it's not your fault at all!!! Some babies just seem

to be predisposed to plagio - some acquire it in utero, some get it from back

sleeping and still others develop it because of tort!

There is much debate as to whether or not it will " round out on its own " . I

was not willing to risk it. My daughter started when she was 9 months old

(that is considered a late start) and we did not get 100% correction. Her

head shape has not improved anymore since she stopped wearing the helmet. If

you feel strongly about seeking treatment with a band you will have to act

very quickly. I know that Cranial Technologies will treat babies through 24

months, but the older the baby gets the slower and harder it is to get

correction. If you really feel that your baby needs a band then you will

probably have to insist on a referral to a specialist or an RX from your ped

if he/she can do that. Check out www.cranialtech.com to see if there is a

clinic near you.

Please let us know what you decide to do. I hope you will share some more of

your story with us! Good wishes to you!

Marci (Mom to )

Oklahoma

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Hi :

Welcome to our group! Wow, we've had a lot of new members this week,

that's terrific!

I am sorry to hear your son's flatness has yet to correct itself. My

daughter wore a DOCband which corrected a lot of her flatness,

although she does still have some flatness that probably (hopefully!)

only I can see. My daughter graduated from her band when she was

15.5 mos old, and since that time, I don't think her head has

improved on it's own (she just turned 2).

Don't blame yourself for this. It is very common these days.

Unfortunately though, most of us parents do blame ourselves. It is

definitely not your fault.

If the flatness is of concern to you, perhaps you might want to

consider getting him into a corrective band. I know Cranial

Technologies, mfg. of the DOCband, treat children until they turn 2,

as long as their sutures are still open - which they should still

be. Orthomerica, mfg of the STARband treats until a child is 18 mos..

Welcome again :)

Debbie Abby's mom DOCGrad

MI

> Hello, My son has a " flat spot " on the back of his head. Not

directly

> on the back, but more to the side. When I asked my doc about it she

> said it would fix itself by the time he was 2 years or his hair

would

> cover it. Well I like to keep his hair short and I'm not sure it's

> getting any better...he 15 months now. Should I be more direct with

> my Doc or have any of you kids heads " fix themself " ? I feel like

it's

> all my fault. He was always rolling on that side of his head...I

> would wake up 3 times a night to move him. -AManda

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Hi and welcome to the group! Please don't think this is your

fault! I know its easier said than done, because we all here have

had to deal with our own guilt feelings. But the truth is, it isn't

our fault at all, and its not your fault either. You sound like a

very conscientous mother by the fact that you would be waking up at

night to reposition, plus you are seeking out other people's opinions

who have been through this.

My pediatrician also told me that my twins' heads should round out

over time, but after a few months without seeing any improvement my

ped gave us the number to a neurosurgeon. They were just about 8

months when they received their band. Personally, I needed to know

within my heart that I did everything I could. If you have any

doubts whatsoever, ask your ped for a referral to a specialist. Get

a second opinion to ease your mind. Follow that mommy instinct, its

hardly ever wrong!

Niki

Kaylie & Danny (STAR grads)

Phila., PA

> Hello, My son has a " flat spot " on the back of his head. Not

directly

> on the back, but more to the side. When I asked my doc about it she

> said it would fix itself by the time he was 2 years or his hair

would

> cover it. Well I like to keep his hair short and I'm not sure it's

> getting any better...he 15 months now. Should I be more direct with

> my Doc or have any of you kids heads " fix themself " ? I feel like

it's

> all my fault. He was always rolling on that side of his head...I

> would wake up 3 times a night to move him. -AManda

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Hi Charlotte...welcome! I've only been here a few months, but these

people have come to mean the world to me.

I have both RA & Fibro. I think the most difficult times are when both

are flaring and symptoms overlap, making it smetimes difficult to tell

exactly what's going on. But a lot of the things we can do for one,

positively affect the other. For instance if you are having a lot of

sleep disturbances, getting help with that will benefit you in both

illnesses. Range of motion excercises help the muscle aches of fibro

and the stiffness of RA. And all the 'common sense' things...healthy

eating (my big challenge), proper meds consistently taken, and strress

reduction help a lot

Coming here and sharing your challenges, struggles & frustrations is a

real blessing as you are being heard by folks who understand from their

own life eperiences.

With a Warm Welcome...

Tess

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Thanks for the welcome Tess. I guess that's what happening to me know,

symptoms are overlapping and I'm feeling really overwhelmed. I have no sleep

disturbances at all, but would certainly benefit from less stress.

best wishes

on 5/25/02 2:31 AM, Tess_St_Pierre@... at Tess_St_Pierre@...

wrote:

> Hi Charlotte...welcome! I've only been here a few months, but these

> people have come to mean the world to me.

>

> I have both RA & Fibro. I think the most difficult times are when both

> are flaring and symptoms overlap, making it smetimes difficult to tell

> exactly what's going on. But a lot of the things we can do for one,

> positively affect the other. For instance if you are having a lot of

> sleep disturbances, getting help with that will benefit you in both

> illnesses. Range of motion excercises help the muscle aches of fibro

> and the stiffness of RA. And all the 'common sense' things...healthy

> eating (my big challenge), proper meds consistently taken, and strress

> reduction help a lot

>

> Coming here and sharing your challenges, struggles & frustrations is a

> real blessing as you are being heard by folks who understand from their

> own life eperiences.

>

> With a Warm Welcome...

>

> Tess

>

>

>

>

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Welcome, Charlotte!

Sorry about your rheumatoid arthritis (RA) and fibromyalgia (FM)

diagnoses and that you are having a tough time.

As disturbing as it is to have so many unknowns ahead of you, I think

that now, more than ever, there are very good reasons to be optimistic

about the increasing availability of successful treatments for RA and

FM.

Your rheumatologist sounds as if he is competent and is treating you

appropriately - that's a big plus. DMARDs (disease-modifying

antirheumatic drugs) like hydroxychloroquine and sulfasalzine are

recommended in RA early in the course of the disease and, often times,

in combination.

There is a wealth of good reading available at a's web site, the

link to which is included after every post:

http://rheumatoid.arthritis.freehosting.net/

I hope you like it here.

[ ] new with questions

> Hello

>

> I am a new subscriber to this group. I was diagnosed with RA in April

and

> given a prednisone taper and hydroxychloroquine. I don't think that

the

> DMARD had kicked in, but the prednisone gave me some initial relief

then the

> swelling and pain bounced back. I saw the rheumatologist again today,

a

> month earlier than planned and after asking me numerous questions and

poking

> and proding a bit, he added fibromyalgia to my diagnosis. He also

added

> sulfasalazine to the pile of pills I'm taking.

>

> I'm very discouraged and also worried about how these conditions will

effect

> me long term. Any advise or information would be really appreciated,

> especially from those with both RA and fibromyalgia.

>

> Thanks so much and best wishes

>

> Charlotte

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Kim,

Welcome to the group! Your son Gus will be in great hands with CT! The protocol is 23 hours on, 7 days a week. You will really have to dedicate yourself to that time frame, to allow this to really work- you just can't predict when a growth spurt will happen and you really don't want to chance missing one, it will only mean a longer duration of overall wear time in the end. We had to take the band off for our son's physical therapy sessions, but on average he was in that band 22 hours a day. You will really want to accomodate your son as far as comfort- I know that my son was very hot at times and I was racing to get from the hot car that was still cooling off, to a very cool store, etc. I tended to avoid outdoor events/situations because I knew I was hot, so he would have been a heat wave! Remind yourselves that this is a few short months and try to enjoy indoor activities like malls, pet stores, etc. The hour off is generally for cleaning the band each day. Good luck and keep us posted on your kiddo!

' mom (DOC grad)

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The great thing about the bands is - you don't have to worry about

their sleep position - Gus can sleep however he is comfortable and

you don't have to reposition. It's amazing how quickly they adjust -

actually slept better with the band than before (I guess

b/c I wasn't constantly trying to repo her!!!)

As far as the 23 hours, definitely stick to it - they are always

growing, and that's how the band works! You can just take the band

off for a minute to wipe with a dry towel if Gus gets hot.

Kerri

's mom

--- In Plagiocephaly , " kdaekept " <kim.daeke@r...>

wrote:

>Gus will ONLY sleep on his back, despite our efforts to

> get him on his side. I'm afraid the band will really disrupt his

> sleep (which isn't that great to begin with). My other question

is

> with respect to how long every day to leave on the band. I know

the

> protocol says 23 hours, but there seems to be a lot of talk about

> taking it off to clean, when the child gets hot, etc.

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