Guest guest Posted June 26, 2001 Report Share Posted June 26, 2001 Hi, Penney; After reading Seroussi's article in Parents magazine in Feb. 2000, I had my son tested for gluten and casein only. The screening showed a high intolerance to both. I then put him on the diet. After more research, I put him back on gluten for awhile, tried cod liver oil (no results), then did a full range of testing for allergies and yeast. He again showed problems for gluten, casein and eggs and some other somewhat elevated scores. He also had a yeast problem. Over the course of the next year, I removed many more foods that my son became intolerant of, plus had him on the Feingold and Candida diet. My son started the HNI enzymes about nine weeks ago. My intent was to use them with the diet for occasional infractions. After eating restaurant food with the enzymes and observing no reactions, I quickly changed my mind and gave the enzymes with every meal. Within two weeks, we saw many improvements which were confirmed by school personnel. I continued to allow planned diet infractions. Gradually, after feeling confident that no behavioral reactions were surfacing, I added back a variety of foods. After several weeks; I realized my son was no longer eating rice crackers; garbonzo bean cookies; and egg-free, yeast-free, vinegar-free rice bread. In fact, he was eating only " regular " foods. I did not admit for awhile that I allowed him completely to eat the foods I so recently viewed as " poison " ; it transpired so much quicker than I intended. I think I moved through this process rapidly because my son's food reactions in the past were so obvious and consistent. Therefore, I was comfortable making the assessment that he was not having any food reactions once on the enzymes. I would encourage you to plan out your course of action carefully. I think remaining on the diet at first while on the enzymes is advisable in most cases. If your son has a reaction to the enzymes, you want to be sure of the source of the problem. Once confident your son can tolerate the enzymes, then you could consider adding back a variety of foods. My son's behavior has improved in many ways and he also looks so much healthier. You can read about him in the " Success Stories " located in the " Files " section you can click on to the left in the yellow box. Please keep us updated whatever the outcome may be. Kelley > Hi: > > I am brand new to the group as of today. First I'll give > you a little background before the questions. My son > was diagnosed autistic at two. He will be five next month. > We have done ABA/VB therapy for two years. We have been > chelating him for toxic metals for exactly one year and > have been doing FGF(Fibroblast Growth Factor)injections > for nine months. He has been treated on many different > occassions for yeast and also clostridium. He has been > on the GFCF diet for 19 months. I had the test done > on him. He is basically intolerant to almost everything. > He's not suppose to have gluten, casein, soy (IMPOSSIBLE), > rice, yeast, eggs, peanuts and other nuts, and I can't > even remember everything else right now. Even with all these > interventions, he is still cognitively at maybe two years old. > > The diet is the most frustrating and difficult part of > his autism right now. I think we would both be so much > happier if he could eat whatever. I had only given him > Kirkman's Enzymaid when he got something by accident. > The diet never showed any major changes for us. I do > think casein is and always will be a problem. I've never > really did a challenge with the diet other than accidents. > But I'm really frustrated with it. All he will eat are > french fries, corn chips, Kosher hot dogs and apple juice. > Saturday my daughter had two friends over. During the course of > the day Kenzie got a poptart, two oreos and a graham cracker. > These foods are generally pretty well hidden and prohibited and > my girls arent' allowed to eat them in front of him. Well of > course, he was diggin' that good stuff and now he's constantly > wanting me to open the pantry and get these foods. > > Finally, my question. I'm wondering how many of you have had > your children tested and showed they should be on the diet but > are using digestive enzymes successfully with the forbidden foods. > What enzymes are you using and how many per day? I'm so afraid > to take him off the diet for fear of eventual regression but I'm > so sick of him not eating anything and wanting what's bad for > him. He's not good at trying new " safe " foods but always willing > to go for the bad stuff. I just don't want to throw away 19 months > of this diet and yet I would love to get information that says > with the enzymes it would be ok. I am working with a holistic > physician who completely believes in the value of the diet. > > Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > Penny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2001 Report Share Posted June 26, 2001 Your son sounds EXACTLY like mine. My son reacts to ALL foods except maybe 6, but I have never had him tested, I just learned everything by trial and error. If you go to the files section on the left here, go to success stories, and then Dana, you can read my son's story. The HNI enzymes do help him with most foods, but not all, and I do have to be careful about the balance of foods I give him, especially foods high in phenols. I use the Peptizyde for gluten/casein/proteins, and the Zyme Prime for carbs/fats/other stuff. One capsule per meal, sometimes more if I know he will be over-eating " problem " foods. I would recommend you begin with enzymes while still gfcf, for about a week or two, to see if your son does okay with them. Then if you would like, you can do infractions. I am still trying to figure out certain things and foods my son can eat with the enzymes, but I have found that I can give at least one meal per day with gluten/casein, so long as it is not too much gluten/casein. My son has been gfcf for 18 months, and the introduction of gluten/casein last month has not brought me any problems, provided like I said before that I monitor just exactly how much of it he eats per meal. My biggest problem now is phenols. There are some highly phenolic foods that my son just cannot eat even with enzymes. But some he can eat in small amounts. But that sure is better than eating only the 6-7 foods I was giving him before. I introduce one new food every 2-3 days, I tried honey first, then potatoes, then bananas, etc. Those foods were okay. The peanut butter was a definite NEGATIVE. Also he did not do well with apricots and cantalope, which are both orange so therefore high in phenols, but then so are bananas so go figure. Anyway introduce new foods that your son previously reacted to, one at a time. For your first g/c infraction, you can do casein instead of gluten, because if the enzymes don't help your son, at least all the casein leaves his body after 3 days anyway. Then if that works okay, try a little gluten, like maybe one cracker or something, and see what happens. Do give the infractions with an entire Peptizyde capsule tho, and open it first instead of giving the whole capsule, because they take too long to dissolve. That way you have the best chance of seeing if the enzyme will allow you to have infractions or whatever. I think there is also information in the files section on how to give the enzymes too. Well good luck to you. > Hi: > > I am brand new to the group as of today. First I'll give > you a little background before the questions. My son > was diagnosed autistic at two. He will be five next month. > We have done ABA/VB therapy for two years. We have been > chelating him for toxic metals for exactly one year and > have been doing FGF(Fibroblast Growth Factor)injections > for nine months. He has been treated on many different > occassions for yeast and also clostridium. He has been > on the GFCF diet for 19 months. I had the test done > on him. He is basically intolerant to almost everything. > He's not suppose to have gluten, casein, soy (IMPOSSIBLE), > rice, yeast, eggs, peanuts and other nuts, and I can't > even remember everything else right now. Even with all these > interventions, he is still cognitively at maybe two years old. > > The diet is the most frustrating and difficult part of > his autism right now. I think we would both be so much > happier if he could eat whatever. I had only given him > Kirkman's Enzymaid when he got something by accident. > The diet never showed any major changes for us. I do > think casein is and always will be a problem. I've never > really did a challenge with the diet other than accidents. > But I'm really frustrated with it. All he will eat are > french fries, corn chips, Kosher hot dogs and apple juice. > Saturday my daughter had two friends over. During the course of > the day Kenzie got a poptart, two oreos and a graham cracker. > These foods are generally pretty well hidden and prohibited and > my girls arent' allowed to eat them in front of him. Well of > course, he was diggin' that good stuff and now he's constantly > wanting me to open the pantry and get these foods. > > Finally, my question. I'm wondering how many of you have had > your children tested and showed they should be on the diet but > are using digestive enzymes successfully with the forbidden foods. > What enzymes are you using and how many per day? I'm so afraid > to take him off the diet for fear of eventual regression but I'm > so sick of him not eating anything and wanting what's bad for > him. He's not good at trying new " safe " foods but always willing > to go for the bad stuff. I just don't want to throw away 19 months > of this diet and yet I would love to get information that says > with the enzymes it would be ok. I am working with a holistic > physician who completely believes in the value of the diet. > > Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > Penny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2001 Report Share Posted June 26, 2001 Penny, Super advice from Dana. I needed to add that my son takes one Peptizyde and one HN-Zyme Prime with each meal and snack. I am doubling the dose whenever he has a larger amount of phenols because phenols have been such a problem for him and I also double the dose if I have any doubts at all about whether or not I've given enough to cover a meal in general. I open the capsules and mix the enzymes in a little Kool-Aid (I believe it has gluten) or juice and give it just before the meal. > > Hi: > > > > I am brand new to the group as of today. First I'll give > > you a little background before the questions. My son > > was diagnosed autistic at two. He will be five next month. > > We have done ABA/VB therapy for two years. We have been > > chelating him for toxic metals for exactly one year and > > have been doing FGF(Fibroblast Growth Factor)injections > > for nine months. He has been treated on many different > > occassions for yeast and also clostridium. He has been > > on the GFCF diet for 19 months. I had the test done > > on him. He is basically intolerant to almost everything. > > He's not suppose to have gluten, casein, soy (IMPOSSIBLE), > > rice, yeast, eggs, peanuts and other nuts, and I can't > > even remember everything else right now. Even with all these > > interventions, he is still cognitively at maybe two years old. > > > > The diet is the most frustrating and difficult part of > > his autism right now. I think we would both be so much > > happier if he could eat whatever. I had only given him > > Kirkman's Enzymaid when he got something by accident. > > The diet never showed any major changes for us. I do > > think casein is and always will be a problem. I've never > > really did a challenge with the diet other than accidents. > > But I'm really frustrated with it. All he will eat are > > french fries, corn chips, Kosher hot dogs and apple juice. > > Saturday my daughter had two friends over. During the course of > > the day Kenzie got a poptart, two oreos and a graham cracker. > > These foods are generally pretty well hidden and prohibited and > > my girls arent' allowed to eat them in front of him. Well of > > course, he was diggin' that good stuff and now he's constantly > > wanting me to open the pantry and get these foods. > > > > Finally, my question. I'm wondering how many of you have had > > your children tested and showed they should be on the diet but > > are using digestive enzymes successfully with the forbidden foods. > > What enzymes are you using and how many per day? I'm so afraid > > to take him off the diet for fear of eventual regression but I'm > > so sick of him not eating anything and wanting what's bad for > > him. He's not good at trying new " safe " foods but always willing > > to go for the bad stuff. I just don't want to throw away 19 months > > of this diet and yet I would love to get information that says > > with the enzymes it would be ok. I am working with a holistic > > physician who completely believes in the value of the diet. > > > > Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > Penny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2001 Report Share Posted June 26, 2001 My son is 3 1/2 and diagnosed autisitic, maybe ADHD, also SID. We had a significant casein and gluten issue borne out by the blood test done at U of Fla., never found out about the rest because those two were bad enough. Retrospectively, I believe he had many other issues with corn, soy, etc. But for the same reason as you, we just got very concerned about taking everything out, so tried to moderate. We were fortunate that he would eat veggies, meat and potatoes, so I at least got one good meal in him. We challenged the diet using the peptizyde and had a few struggles, but found out that it was more the timing of the enzymes rather than their effectiveness. We just added the Zyme Prime because I believe that we have (had?) phenol problems. Right now our only problem appears to be a possibility of constipation because after two or three days of great stools, they go mushy. And he's having problems going on the potty when he's obviously showing signs that he needs to. Anyway, bottom line is we are ditching the gfcf (except for school snacks--he's still not old enough to monitor his own intakes and I don't want to get into the nurse's office stuff for now) and I have enough confidence now that the administration of the enzymes are so important to the success of going back on regular food. By the way, we are also going nitrate/nitrite free, and have been as much as possible color/dye/chemical free too. I am optimistic that you will also see extremely wonderful benefits. Feel free to contact me directly to chat further if you'd like... Lynn in MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2001 Report Share Posted June 29, 2001 Penny- Have you read the book " Say Goodby to Allergy Related Autism? " You can find it at NAET.com. The goal is to eliminate all of your child's food allergies so they can live a normal life. Pat O. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2001 Report Share Posted June 29, 2001 So where are all of these autism trained NAET pr.'s? Doesn't help much to read the book unless you have a practioner. The NAET site just lists anyone who has taken the NAET course. Is there an autism NAET list or website? Sara Re: [ ] New with questions Penny- Have you read the book " Say Goodby to Allergy Related Autism? " You can find it at NAET.com. The goal is to eliminate all of your child's food allergies so they can live a normal life. Pat O. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2001 Report Share Posted June 29, 2001 Sara, I agree. I have been trying to find out more about NAET. Most everyone agrees that the results are completely based on getting a " good " practitioner. The trouble is, I haven't found any way to tell if you have a " good " practitioner. The other thing is that I was told you need to have other metabolic disorders fixed first or there is a good chance it won't work at all - like yeast infections, you must detox the body of metals and other stuff, detox the liver so it works right, heal a leaky gut, etc. To me, getting all that other stuff fixed is a lot of what we are dealing with. Afterwards, we can try the NAET if we can ever find a " good " practioner. I was told to always check with several other parents of ASD kids and get their opinion, not just the word or marketing of the practioner. Practioners can do it however they like, so maybe they use a new protocal, maybe an old one, maybe they put in their own ideas at the same time. I am still learning. . > So where are all of these autism trained NAET pr.'s? Doesn't help much to read the book unless you have a practioner. The NAET site just lists anyone who has taken the NAET course. Is there an autism NAET list or website? > > Sara > Re: [ ] New with questions > > > Penny- Have you read the book " Say Goodby to Allergy Related Autism? " > You can find it at NAET.com. The goal is to eliminate all of your child's > food allergies so they can live a normal life. > Pat O. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2001 Report Share Posted June 29, 2001 There is a list at mailto:AllergyRelatedVaccineInducedAutism Many people on this list are doing NAET. I would start there looking for recommendations of good NAET practitioners. My chiropractor (New York City area) does n.o.t. (Neural Organization Technique) which is similar but covers all areas of the body, including endocrine system, and can address immune problems and learning disabilities specifically, in addition to the allergy elimination. I would highly recommend his methods. If you would like to e-mail me off list for more information, I'd be glad to provide it. Hope this helps. Joan Re: [ ] New with questions Penny- Have you read the book " Say Goodby to Allergy Related Autism? " You can find it at NAET.com. The goal is to eliminate all of your child's food allergies so they can live a normal life. Pat O. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2001 Report Share Posted June 30, 2001 Sara-I am doing my very best to train NAET Advanced Practioners all over the world. I teach seminars on the Metabolic Pathways of Autism. If you put your zip code in at NAET.com, you will get a list of Pr's. Then you can call them to see if they have advanced training. We have had parents get together and send a pr for training. The results are well worth the effort. The NAET Symposium will be held in Orlando on July 29th. Research will be presented and a one day information symposium on Metabolic Pathways will be presented. Pat O. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2001 Report Share Posted June 30, 2001 Sara- You find a good NAET PR just like a good M.D. Now we all know they are not the same. ASK questions. Have you had advanced training to treat specifically Autistic Children? Have you been trained in the Metabolica Pathways Protocol? Do you send home Treatment vials? Do you educate your parents and make them a part of the treament team? You definitely DO NOT have to go through heavy metal detox or treatment for intestinal dysbiosis BEFORE NAET. This is beauty of the NAET therapy- it addresses all of those elemnts in a very methodical, simple way using the frequencies of each item that is blocked. We have childrens bowels totally change without taking one enzyme. We can turn on enzymes that do not appear to be functioning. I love enzymes and suggest their use a great deal, but only when the children have been cleared of any allergic reaction to them and only if they are truly needed. Our cancer clients utilize them more than anyone. We have found aAutistic children react very well to homeopathic enzymes. They love them because they taste like water. Pat O. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2001 Report Share Posted July 2, 2001 Joan, Does that mean that if my guys who have PDD/SID due to a neuro-immune problem do both of these techniques, I can say SID does N.O.T. do NAET. LOLOLOLOL. Sorry, sorry. Just struck me as I read that. Thanks for the group notice. I wouldn't have guessed that and will check it out. Also, since we are looking for a new specialist at the moment, I am interested in the N.O.T. as well. . P.S. with Peptizyde, I am now GFCF = GoForCoFfee diet. > There is a list at mailto:AllergyRelatedVaccineInducedAutism@y... Many people on this list are doing NAET. I would start there looking for recommendations of good NAET practitioners. > > My chiropractor (New York City area) does n.o.t. (Neural Organization Technique) which is similar but covers all areas of the body, including endocrine system, and can address immune problems and learning disabilities specifically, in addition to the allergy elimination. I would highly recommend his methods. If you would like to e-mail me off list for more information, I'd be glad to provide it. > > Hope this helps. > Joan > > Re: [ ] New with questions > > > Penny- Have you read the book " Say Goodby to Allergy Related Autism? " > You can find it at NAET.com. The goal is to eliminate all of your child's > food allergies so they can live a normal life. > Pat O. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2002 Report Share Posted January 31, 2002 Hi Dana. My name is Kellie. I have a one year old son named . The reason I'm responding to you because you mentioned you were military and were wondering about military insurance. My husband just got out of the Air Force, and he was stationed at McChord AFB, Washington. (I never got the full effect of being a military wife, though,because I am from Washington, and I met him at his last duty station.) Anyway, as many people dealing with Tricare might tell you, Tricare usually denies coverage for the helmets. I have heard somewhere that they have paid at least once, but I can't remember who that was. First of all, let me please just warn you, since you haven't yet addressed a doctor about this problem. THEY ARE GOING TO TELL YOU THAT IT WILL ROUND OUT ON ITS OWN, and not to worry. Doctors do not take this condition seriously enough at this point in time. We noticed my son's plagio at 2 months, and no one even told me anything about repositioning or anything. It was just, "It will round out on its own.." until he was six months old. Then someone finally said, "I think he should see a craniofacial specialist." Here is something not many people know about Tricare. They will not pay for the helmets, most likely, unless appealed, appealed, and appealed. However, there is an army hospital in Washington that is just doing the helmets. You know how the Government can pretty much do anything at any cost. Well, that's what they're doing. We just lucked out that we were attending Madigan Army medical center at the time, and they said they just do these helmets. I know it sounds weird, but it's true. After a month of repositioning with no success, was fitted with his helmet and received it. However, he got it a week before my husband's discharge. He wore it for maybe two weeks, and the military would not allow us to get a pass to get on post to get the adjustments, so that was a big waste of time for us. Now, at a year old, he received his "civilian" helmet and is doing okay in that. I tell you this because I wonder if your husband could get some kind of medical orders to Ft. , WA, so your child could undergo helmet therapy here. Madigan is one of the bigger military hospitals in the country, so I've heard of a lot of people gettting stationed here because of medical conditions. It's whether you can get the military to look at your son's condition as warranting a move. I don't know where you are stationed. But I just thought I'd throw that out there. Just in case, the doctor's name, the craniofacial specialist at Madigan, is Dr. Novia. He is extremely nice. You have to be kind of pushy about what you want, but he will listen to you. That is the main point that many people will tell you on here. I have learned that doctors don't know everything. You are the advocate for your child. If you think your child needs a helmet, get a helmet. If your gut tells you this is not going to get better, don't leave until you get the answers you want. If you need any other info, let me know! Kellie, mom of , helmeted 1/17/02, born 1/17/01! Tacoma, WA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2002 Report Share Posted January 31, 2002 Hi Dana and welcome. Sounds like you are a very conscientious mom - good for you for doing your own research! 7 1/2 months is a good age to start if your daughter does indeed need a helmet or band. Repositioning can be a very effective tool and we have people in this group who have gotten all the correction they desired with repositioning. Others have tried repositioning and did not get the correction they wanted and ultimately decided to try the helmet/band. Still others simply could not reposition - either their baby was too strong willed or torticollis made it nearly impossible. If you do decide to use a helmet/band you would want to get started just as soon as possible. The earlier you start the better the correction you will get and the faster it will come. I will caution you that peds don't always know about plagio and, in fact, many of us here have had to educate our peds and insist on a referral to a specialist. That is what I would recommend you ask for when you meet with your ped. A specialist will be able to tell you more about plagio, the treatment of it, the possible medical complications, etc. Unfortunately I will say that most of our military members have had very bad luck getting Tricare to cover the helmet. They simply do not recognize it as a covered benefit. Some of the bands are expensive - DOCband is usually $3,000, STARband is usually around $1,100 to $1,500 - this varies from region to region. Some of the locally made helmets are as low as $700. The price of the band covers the casting and all follow-up appointments/adjustments. Sorry this got so long! You have come to the right place for advice and answers. Please ask anything you wish and I hope you will stick with us and keep us posted on your situation. Marci (Mom to ) Oklahoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2002 Report Share Posted January 31, 2002 Hi Dana and welcome to the group! You have just joined one of the best groups out there with some of the most helpful parents ever! Good for you for taking things into your own hands and finding out all this info on your own. Since you mentioned military, am I right to assume that you have Tricare? I don't have Tricare myself, so I will let those who have had to deal with it chime in and answer your question for you. Even though your daughter is 7 and half months, there is still plenty of time to correct her plagio. We have parents here whose children started wearing the bands at a much later age and still had some really good improvement. I would think, however, that repositioning at this age would be rather difficult since she is more mobile now. You should try to print out any info that you can find to back yourself up for the appt. on Monday. I wish you luck at your appt. Be sure to let us know how it goes! And again, welcome to the group! Niki Kaylie & Danny (STARband grads) Phila., PA > Hi, > I just joined the group because my daughter has all the symptoms of > plagiocephaly. I really am just learning about it. I didn't know why > my daughters head was not right, or why she had one cheek fuller > than the other one. My research brought me to plagio. We have an > appointment Monday afternoon with our pediatrician to discuss our > concerns. My husband is in the military and was wondering if anyone > here ever had any experience with military insurance. I guess that > it is even if we end up needing a band. My daughter is already 7 1/2 > months old so I am afriad of them wanting to try the positioning > first, and what if it doesn't work. I know that I probably sound > really confusing, and I apologize. I just am so worried. I guess I > will know more after we go to her appointment on Monday. > > Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2002 Report Share Posted January 31, 2002 Dear Dana welcome to the site you found a wonderful place for support and to get your questions answered. 7 1/2 months I s still a great time to get treated. We have had a lot of military parents on this site who hopefully will respond and provide you some great insight into how the insurance has worked for them. Where are you currently stationed? That might help too- incase there is another Mom close to you that has dealt with the same issues. I hope your appointment goes well on Monday take lots of information on Plagio to your pediatrician andif nothing else demand a referral to a pediatric neurosurgeon or cranial facial specialist that can better evaluate your little one's head. There is another condition called craniostynosis and if nothing else you will want to make sure you rule that condition out-customarily done with x-rays or a CT scan-but the neuro can better advise you in that area. I hope you have a ped that is open to all of this. SO many moms will tell you they had otherwise andhad to fight tooth and nail-so stick with your mommy instincts and push for further evaluation. What is the name of the military ins again- I can search the archives for you and find some older postings, You sound like great parents so keep up the good work and welcome again! Beck Mom to Memphis, TN doc grad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2002 Report Share Posted January 31, 2002 Hi Dana: Welcome to our group! There have been several of our group members who have had military insurance, as Niki said, many of them used Tricare. Maybe you could do a search of the archives to see what you turn up. Type in Tricare & see what that would bring up for you. I'm sure some of those members will reply to your post too. 7 1/2 mos is not too old to still get correction from a band or helmet if that's the route you might decide to take. My daughter who had severe plagio began her DOCband treatment at 11.5 mos., she wore it 4.5 mos with about 50-60% correction. It is true though, that the younger treatment begins, the better & faster the improvement will be. But you could still get results if you begin " older " (funny how we talk about a 7.5 mos old being old, hehe). You have done a terrific job finding all this information on your own. It is such a shame how pediatricians play plagio off as no big deal that it will correct itself in time, or hair will cover any flatness. You're doing the right thing by being so persistent & learning all this thru the internet, thank goodness for the internet. Have you been to www.plagiocephaly.org website yet? There is a ton of helpful information on that site, along with a section called " Questions for the doctor " . You might want to print that out & bring it in for your appt Monday. Please be sure to let us know how the appt goes. Best of luck & welcome again. Debbie Abby's mom DOCGrad MI > > > > Hi, > > I just joined the group because my daughter has all the symptoms of > > plagiocephaly. I really am just learning about it. I didn't know > why > > my daughters head was not right, or why she had one cheek fuller > > than the other one. My research brought me to plagio. We have an > > appointment Monday afternoon with our pediatrician to discuss our > > concerns. My husband is in the military and was wondering if anyone > > here ever had any experience with military insurance. I guess that > > it is even if we end up needing a band. My daughter is already 7 > 1/2 > > months old so I am afriad of them wanting to try the positioning > > first, and what if it doesn't work. I know that I probably sound > > really confusing, and I apologize. I just am so worried. I guess I > > will know more after we go to her appointment on Monday. > > > > Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2002 Report Share Posted January 31, 2002 Kellie, Well, my husband is in the Marine Corps, so the chances of them sending us to an Army base are slim to none. We are stationed in North Carolina. I am not looking forward to having to deal with Tricare, but hopefully I can find more information from those who have already dealt with them. I have been unsuccessful so far searching the archives. Hopefully somebody who has been through this will respond. Dana NC, USA > Hi Dana. My name is Kellie. I have a one year old son named . The > reason I'm responding to you because you mentioned you were military and were > wondering about military insurance. My husband just got out of the Air > Force, and he was stationed at McChord AFB, Washington. (I never got the > full effect of being a military wife, though,because I am from Washington, > and I met him at his last duty station.) Anyway, as many people dealing with > Tricare might tell you, Tricare usually denies coverage for the helmets. I > have heard somewhere that they have paid at least once, but I can't remember > who that was. > > First of all, let me please just warn you, since you haven't yet addressed a > doctor about this problem. THEY ARE GOING TO TELL YOU THAT IT WILL ROUND OUT > ON ITS OWN, and not to worry. Doctors do not take this condition seriously > enough at this point in time. We noticed my son's plagio at 2 months, and no > one even told me anything about repositioning or anything. It was just, " It > will round out on its own.. " until he was six months old. Then someone > finally said, " I think he should see a craniofacial specialist. " > > Here is something not many people know about Tricare. They will not pay for > the helmets, most likely, unless appealed, appealed, and appealed. However, > there is an army hospital in Washington that is just doing the helmets. You > know how the Government can pretty much do anything at any cost. Well, > that's what they're doing. We just lucked out that we were attending Madigan > Army medical center at the time, and they said they just do these helmets. I > know it sounds weird, but it's true. After a month of repositioning with no > success, was fitted with his helmet and received it. However, he got > it a week before my husband's discharge. He wore it for maybe two weeks, and > the military would not allow us to get a pass to get on post to get the > adjustments, so that was a big waste of time for us. Now, at a year old, he > received his " civilian " helmet and is doing okay in that. > > I tell you this because I wonder if your husband could get some kind of > medical orders to Ft. , WA, so your child could undergo helmet therapy > here. Madigan is one of the bigger military hospitals in the country, so > I've heard of a lot of people gettting stationed here because of medical > conditions. It's whether you can get the military to look at your son's > condition as warranting a move. I don't know where you are stationed. But I > just thought I'd throw that out there. Just in case, the doctor's name, the > craniofacial specialist at Madigan, is Dr. Novia. He is extremely > nice. You have to be kind of pushy about what you want, but he will listen > to you. That is the main point that many people will tell you on here. I > have learned that doctors don't know everything. You are the advocate for > your child. If you think your child needs a helmet, get a helmet. If your > gut tells you this is not going to get better, don't leave until you get the > answers you want. > > If you need any other info, let me know! > > Kellie, mom of , helmeted 1/17/02, born 1/17/01! > Tacoma, WA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2002 Report Share Posted March 13, 2002 , First, welcome - second, it's not your fault at all!!! Some babies just seem to be predisposed to plagio - some acquire it in utero, some get it from back sleeping and still others develop it because of tort! There is much debate as to whether or not it will " round out on its own " . I was not willing to risk it. My daughter started when she was 9 months old (that is considered a late start) and we did not get 100% correction. Her head shape has not improved anymore since she stopped wearing the helmet. If you feel strongly about seeking treatment with a band you will have to act very quickly. I know that Cranial Technologies will treat babies through 24 months, but the older the baby gets the slower and harder it is to get correction. If you really feel that your baby needs a band then you will probably have to insist on a referral to a specialist or an RX from your ped if he/she can do that. Check out www.cranialtech.com to see if there is a clinic near you. Please let us know what you decide to do. I hope you will share some more of your story with us! Good wishes to you! Marci (Mom to ) Oklahoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2002 Report Share Posted March 13, 2002 Hi : Welcome to our group! Wow, we've had a lot of new members this week, that's terrific! I am sorry to hear your son's flatness has yet to correct itself. My daughter wore a DOCband which corrected a lot of her flatness, although she does still have some flatness that probably (hopefully!) only I can see. My daughter graduated from her band when she was 15.5 mos old, and since that time, I don't think her head has improved on it's own (she just turned 2). Don't blame yourself for this. It is very common these days. Unfortunately though, most of us parents do blame ourselves. It is definitely not your fault. If the flatness is of concern to you, perhaps you might want to consider getting him into a corrective band. I know Cranial Technologies, mfg. of the DOCband, treat children until they turn 2, as long as their sutures are still open - which they should still be. Orthomerica, mfg of the STARband treats until a child is 18 mos.. Welcome again Debbie Abby's mom DOCGrad MI > Hello, My son has a " flat spot " on the back of his head. Not directly > on the back, but more to the side. When I asked my doc about it she > said it would fix itself by the time he was 2 years or his hair would > cover it. Well I like to keep his hair short and I'm not sure it's > getting any better...he 15 months now. Should I be more direct with > my Doc or have any of you kids heads " fix themself " ? I feel like it's > all my fault. He was always rolling on that side of his head...I > would wake up 3 times a night to move him. -AManda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2002 Report Share Posted March 14, 2002 Hi and welcome to the group! Please don't think this is your fault! I know its easier said than done, because we all here have had to deal with our own guilt feelings. But the truth is, it isn't our fault at all, and its not your fault either. You sound like a very conscientous mother by the fact that you would be waking up at night to reposition, plus you are seeking out other people's opinions who have been through this. My pediatrician also told me that my twins' heads should round out over time, but after a few months without seeing any improvement my ped gave us the number to a neurosurgeon. They were just about 8 months when they received their band. Personally, I needed to know within my heart that I did everything I could. If you have any doubts whatsoever, ask your ped for a referral to a specialist. Get a second opinion to ease your mind. Follow that mommy instinct, its hardly ever wrong! Niki Kaylie & Danny (STAR grads) Phila., PA > Hello, My son has a " flat spot " on the back of his head. Not directly > on the back, but more to the side. When I asked my doc about it she > said it would fix itself by the time he was 2 years or his hair would > cover it. Well I like to keep his hair short and I'm not sure it's > getting any better...he 15 months now. Should I be more direct with > my Doc or have any of you kids heads " fix themself " ? I feel like it's > all my fault. He was always rolling on that side of his head...I > would wake up 3 times a night to move him. -AManda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 Hi Charlotte...welcome! I've only been here a few months, but these people have come to mean the world to me. I have both RA & Fibro. I think the most difficult times are when both are flaring and symptoms overlap, making it smetimes difficult to tell exactly what's going on. But a lot of the things we can do for one, positively affect the other. For instance if you are having a lot of sleep disturbances, getting help with that will benefit you in both illnesses. Range of motion excercises help the muscle aches of fibro and the stiffness of RA. And all the 'common sense' things...healthy eating (my big challenge), proper meds consistently taken, and strress reduction help a lot Coming here and sharing your challenges, struggles & frustrations is a real blessing as you are being heard by folks who understand from their own life eperiences. With a Warm Welcome... Tess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 Thanks for the welcome Tess. I guess that's what happening to me know, symptoms are overlapping and I'm feeling really overwhelmed. I have no sleep disturbances at all, but would certainly benefit from less stress. best wishes on 5/25/02 2:31 AM, Tess_St_Pierre@... at Tess_St_Pierre@... wrote: > Hi Charlotte...welcome! I've only been here a few months, but these > people have come to mean the world to me. > > I have both RA & Fibro. I think the most difficult times are when both > are flaring and symptoms overlap, making it smetimes difficult to tell > exactly what's going on. But a lot of the things we can do for one, > positively affect the other. For instance if you are having a lot of > sleep disturbances, getting help with that will benefit you in both > illnesses. Range of motion excercises help the muscle aches of fibro > and the stiffness of RA. And all the 'common sense' things...healthy > eating (my big challenge), proper meds consistently taken, and strress > reduction help a lot > > Coming here and sharing your challenges, struggles & frustrations is a > real blessing as you are being heard by folks who understand from their > own life eperiences. > > With a Warm Welcome... > > Tess > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 Welcome, Charlotte! Sorry about your rheumatoid arthritis (RA) and fibromyalgia (FM) diagnoses and that you are having a tough time. As disturbing as it is to have so many unknowns ahead of you, I think that now, more than ever, there are very good reasons to be optimistic about the increasing availability of successful treatments for RA and FM. Your rheumatologist sounds as if he is competent and is treating you appropriately - that's a big plus. DMARDs (disease-modifying antirheumatic drugs) like hydroxychloroquine and sulfasalzine are recommended in RA early in the course of the disease and, often times, in combination. There is a wealth of good reading available at a's web site, the link to which is included after every post: http://rheumatoid.arthritis.freehosting.net/ I hope you like it here. [ ] new with questions > Hello > > I am a new subscriber to this group. I was diagnosed with RA in April and > given a prednisone taper and hydroxychloroquine. I don't think that the > DMARD had kicked in, but the prednisone gave me some initial relief then the > swelling and pain bounced back. I saw the rheumatologist again today, a > month earlier than planned and after asking me numerous questions and poking > and proding a bit, he added fibromyalgia to my diagnosis. He also added > sulfasalazine to the pile of pills I'm taking. > > I'm very discouraged and also worried about how these conditions will effect > me long term. Any advise or information would be really appreciated, > especially from those with both RA and fibromyalgia. > > Thanks so much and best wishes > > Charlotte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 Kim, Welcome to the group! Your son Gus will be in great hands with CT! The protocol is 23 hours on, 7 days a week. You will really have to dedicate yourself to that time frame, to allow this to really work- you just can't predict when a growth spurt will happen and you really don't want to chance missing one, it will only mean a longer duration of overall wear time in the end. We had to take the band off for our son's physical therapy sessions, but on average he was in that band 22 hours a day. You will really want to accomodate your son as far as comfort- I know that my son was very hot at times and I was racing to get from the hot car that was still cooling off, to a very cool store, etc. I tended to avoid outdoor events/situations because I knew I was hot, so he would have been a heat wave! Remind yourselves that this is a few short months and try to enjoy indoor activities like malls, pet stores, etc. The hour off is generally for cleaning the band each day. Good luck and keep us posted on your kiddo! ' mom (DOC grad) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 The great thing about the bands is - you don't have to worry about their sleep position - Gus can sleep however he is comfortable and you don't have to reposition. It's amazing how quickly they adjust - actually slept better with the band than before (I guess b/c I wasn't constantly trying to repo her!!!) As far as the 23 hours, definitely stick to it - they are always growing, and that's how the band works! You can just take the band off for a minute to wipe with a dry towel if Gus gets hot. Kerri 's mom --- In Plagiocephaly , " kdaekept " <kim.daeke@r...> wrote: >Gus will ONLY sleep on his back, despite our efforts to > get him on his side. I'm afraid the band will really disrupt his > sleep (which isn't that great to begin with). My other question is > with respect to how long every day to leave on the band. I know the > protocol says 23 hours, but there seems to be a lot of talk about > taking it off to clean, when the child gets hot, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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