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Since this is such an informed group, I thought i would see if I can get any

leads on what might be causing my nausea.

Brief background is diagnosis of chronic fatique and fibromyalgia with

symptoms going back 20 yrs. These symptoms are mild compared to others I

have heard about. Primarily fatique, flu-like symptoms and muscle pain.

Symptoms come in cycles. On for 6-8 weeks then better for 2-3 months. Best

and most consistent help has been from accupuncture, chinese herbs and

energy work. Stress (emotional and physical) exacerbates situation, have

learned to deal with this very well. Spiritual awakening has made huge

difference.

Last two years I have been doing very well. Then this spring I had enormous

energy while my horse barn was being built. Was able to work 10 hrs

physical work 6 days a week. Was on a high from being able to do this.

Felt so great. Barn and pastures were finished, horses came home and I got

sick that day. Been sick on and off ever since. My accupuncturists says

because I have chronic fatique I can't " overdo " it without paying the price.

She is from China, so she sees it as a balance thing. I want to be able to

do lots of physical work and not colapse for 6-8 weeks. (45 yrs young)

Back to accupuncture and herbs. Has helped with energy. Found a

Naturopath. Urine analysis is being done but not here yet. She suspects

liver and adrenals as problems. When she reviewed my food intake for 4 days

she questioned the amount of saturated fat and coconut oil. (Not that she

thinks sat fat is bad, thought my balance was off). Didn't understand

benefits of coconut oil so I am sending her info. Also, Naturopath felt for

tender spots and came up with liver and adrenals.

I tried an experiment to see if fat was making me nauseous. Stopped using

Coconut oil for the last week. No difference. Used much less fat in

general, no difference.

Since I too have a tendency to hypoglycemia, and never know what to eat for

breakfast, I tried the " add a little fruit " (apple) still nauseous.

As for my diet, I'm not sure what it has to do with it because this has been

going on for so long. Years ago I had SAD diet, 12 yrs ago became

Vegetarian and Vegan, 5 yrs ago Fishitarian, 6 months ago NT ...well not

perfect that's for sure, but certainly better than most;-)).

Any ideas? Don't expect diagnosis, just possibilities of what it could be.

TIA,

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Hi ,

Would you mind telling me how you determinded the diagnosis of you

CFS? I know someone who believes thay have this problem and is

thinking of going to the Mayo Clinic for confirmation.

Thanks,

Sheila

> Since this is such an informed group, I thought i would see if I

can get any

> leads on what might be causing my nausea.

>

> Brief background is diagnosis of chronic fatique and fibromyalgia

with

> symptoms going back 20 yrs. These symptoms are mild compared to

others I

> have heard about. Primarily fatique, flu-like symptoms and muscle

pain.

> Symptoms come in cycles. On for 6-8 weeks then better for 2-3

months. Best

> and most consistent help has been from accupuncture, chinese herbs

and

> energy work. Stress (emotional and physical) exacerbates

situation, have

> learned to deal with this very well. Spiritual awakening has made

huge

> difference.

>

> Last two years I have been doing very well. Then this spring I had

enormous

> energy while my horse barn was being built. Was able to work 10 hrs

> physical work 6 days a week. Was on a high from being able to do

this.

> Felt so great. Barn and pastures were finished, horses came home

and I got

> sick that day. Been sick on and off ever since. My

accupuncturists says

> because I have chronic fatique I can't " overdo " it without paying

the price.

> She is from China, so she sees it as a balance thing. I want to be

able to

> do lots of physical work and not colapse for 6-8 weeks. (45 yrs

young)

>

> Back to accupuncture and herbs. Has helped with energy. Found a

> Naturopath. Urine analysis is being done but not here yet. She

suspects

> liver and adrenals as problems. When she reviewed my food intake

for 4 days

> she questioned the amount of saturated fat and coconut oil. (Not

that she

> thinks sat fat is bad, thought my balance was off). Didn't

understand

> benefits of coconut oil so I am sending her info. Also, Naturopath

felt for

> tender spots and came up with liver and adrenals.

>

> I tried an experiment to see if fat was making me nauseous.

Stopped using

> Coconut oil for the last week. No difference. Used much less fat

in

> general, no difference.

>

> Since I too have a tendency to hypoglycemia, and never know what

to eat for

> breakfast, I tried the " add a little fruit " (apple) still nauseous.

>

> As for my diet, I'm not sure what it has to do with it because this

has been

> going on for so long. Years ago I had SAD diet, 12 yrs ago became

> Vegetarian and Vegan, 5 yrs ago Fishitarian, 6 months ago

NT ...well not

> perfect that's for sure, but certainly better than most;-)).

>

> Any ideas? Don't expect diagnosis, just possibilities of what it

could be.

>

> TIA,

>

>

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Hi ,

I have had severe CFS and fibromyalgia for over ten years. It was severe

enough that even the doctors recommended I go on permanent disability.

No one had any idea what to do for it. I have studied every book that has

come out and used myself as a laboratory for experimenting with various

things. Finally I have hit upon what works for me.

I needed to look first at blood sugar (I am hypoglycemic), food sensitivity

(and chemical sensitivity), * candida.

* Candida is a naturally occurring bacteria in the gut. The problem is when

it becomes systemic, and invades other organs. For me it became systemic

and affected my entire body. But for some people it settles in an organ

like the lungs that has a mucosal lining for it to live in.

Candida overgrowth is very persistent, and once we have it we can manage it

but it will always be a problem when we become imbalanced.

Here is a brief overview of what I have come up with.

Avoid high carb diet (includes sugar, alcohol, lots of fruit, lots of

grains, white flour) as well as things that trigger insulin response (such

as caffeine and some artificial sweeteners , esp. aspartame).

These things can set your body up to be a feeding ground for unfriendly

bacteria, and especially candida. When the insulin is always high, the

pancreas, adrenals, pituitary and thyroid are all overworked. Keeping your

body in a state of low grade " alert " danger (especially with the adrenals

which become exhausted).

The immune system is on alert because the body is, but the immune system can

not identify the enemy. So it begins to attack YOU! We develop allergies,

food sensitivities, chemical sensitivities, lupus, and other degenerative

diseases. As the years go on, the problems get worse. And to compound all

this, the candida continues to feed and breed! Believe me, this situation

does not get better all by itself.

I believe that the answer to stopping this cycle and preventing further

damage is so we can begin to heal is:

1> Low carb diet.

2> WATER, lots of water, especially Prill water. This super hydrating water

has made a big impact on my health and healing.

3> Ferment foods and get all the friendly bacteria in there that we can.

All the other remedies and therapies I use are to support the specific

symptoms due to the damage that has been done (such as magnesium,

l-glutamine, herbs, essential oils, Rife, ORMUS, etc.).

I first needed to stop this attack on my body before I could calm my mind

enough to lead a life of spiritual calm. While my adrenals and nervous

system were being " attacked " all I could do was hold on day by day.

Today I have hope that I will again lead a normal life. I still have bad

days, but before it was rare to have a day as good as the days I now call

bad.

Hope this helps,

Kat

http://www.katking.com

----- Original Message -----

From: " Lein " <smokey@...>

< >

Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 8:45 AM

Subject: Re: nausea

> Since this is such an informed group, I thought i would see if I can get

any

> leads on what might be causing my nausea.

>

> Brief background is diagnosis of chronic fatique and fibromyalgia with

> symptoms going back 20 yrs. These symptoms are mild compared to others I

> have heard about. Primarily fatique, flu-like symptoms and muscle pain.

> Symptoms come in cycles. On for 6-8 weeks then better for 2-3 months.

Best

> and most consistent help has been from accupuncture, chinese herbs and

> energy work. Stress (emotional and physical) exacerbates situation, have

> learned to deal with this very well. Spiritual awakening has made huge

> difference.

>

> Last two years I have been doing very well. Then this spring I had

enormous

> energy while my horse barn was being built. Was able to work 10 hrs

> physical work 6 days a week. Was on a high from being able to do this.

> Felt so great. Barn and pastures were finished, horses came home and I

got

> sick that day. Been sick on and off ever since. My accupuncturists says

> because I have chronic fatique I can't " overdo " it without paying the

price.

> She is from China, so she sees it as a balance thing. I want to be able

to

> do lots of physical work and not colapse for 6-8 weeks. (45 yrs young)

>

> Back to accupuncture and herbs. Has helped with energy. Found a

> Naturopath. Urine analysis is being done but not here yet. She suspects

> liver and adrenals as problems. When she reviewed my food intake for 4

days

> she questioned the amount of saturated fat and coconut oil. (Not that she

> thinks sat fat is bad, thought my balance was off). Didn't understand

> benefits of coconut oil so I am sending her info. Also, Naturopath felt

for

> tender spots and came up with liver and adrenals.

>

> I tried an experiment to see if fat was making me nauseous. Stopped using

> Coconut oil for the last week. No difference. Used much less fat in

> general, no difference.

>

> Since I too have a tendency to hypoglycemia, and never know what to eat

for

> breakfast, I tried the " add a little fruit " (apple) still nauseous.

>

> As for my diet, I'm not sure what it has to do with it because this has

been

> going on for so long. Years ago I had SAD diet, 12 yrs ago became

> Vegetarian and Vegan, 5 yrs ago Fishitarian, 6 months ago NT ...well not

> perfect that's for sure, but certainly better than most;-)).

>

> Any ideas? Don't expect diagnosis, just possibilities of what it could

be.

>

> TIA,

>

>

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--- Kat how would you diagnose candida or " overgrowth " ? Can the

overgrowth be caused by a suppressed immune system? Dennis

In @y..., " Kat King " <katking@k...> wrote:

> Hi ,

>

>

> * Candida is a naturally occurring bacteria in the gut. The

problem is when

> it becomes systemic, and invades other organs. For me it became

systemic

> and affected my entire body. But for some people it settles in an

organ

> like the lungs that has a mucosal lining for it to live in.

>

> Candida overgrowth is very persistent, and once we have it we can

manage it

> but it will always be a problem when we become imbalanced.

>

> Here is a brief overview of what I have come up with.

>

> Avoid high carb diet (includes sugar, alcohol, lots of fruit, lots

of

> grains, white flour) as well as things that trigger insulin

response (such

> as caffeine and some artificial sweeteners , esp. aspartame).

>

> These things can set your body up to be a feeding ground for

unfriendly

> bacteria, and especially candida. When the insulin is always high,

the

> pancreas, adrenals, pituitary and thyroid are all overworked.

Keeping your

> body in a state of low grade " alert " danger (especially with the

adrenals

> which become exhausted).

>

> The immune system is on alert because the body is, but the immune

system can

> not identify the enemy. So it begins to attack YOU! We develop

allergies,

> food sensitivities, chemical sensitivities, lupus, and other

degenerative

> diseases. As the years go on, the problems get worse. And to

compound all

> this, the candida continues to feed and breed! Believe me, this

situation

> does not get better all by itself.

>

> I believe that the answer to stopping this cycle and preventing

further

> damage is so we can begin to heal is:

>

> 1> Low carb diet.

> 2> WATER, lots of water, especially Prill water. This super

hydrating water

> has made a big impact on my health and healing.

> 3> Ferment foods and get all the friendly bacteria in there that we

can.

>

> All the other remedies and therapies I use are to support the

specific

> symptoms due to the damage that has been done (such as magnesium,

> l-glutamine, herbs, essential oils, Rife, ORMUS, etc.).

>

> Kat

> http://www.katking.com

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " Lein " <smokey@s...>

> < @y...>

> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 8:45 AM

> Subject: Re: nausea

>

>

> > Since this is such an informed group, I thought i would see if I

can get

> any

> > leads on what might be causing my nausea.

> >

> be.

> >

> > TIA,

> >

> >

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Candida overgowth can be diagnosed with a stool test. They check for the

presence and amount of yeast. Candida overgowht can be caused by a

suppressed immune system. AIDS patients frequently have the problem.

Irene

At 05:00 PM 10/16/02, you wrote:

>--- Kat how would you diagnose candida or " overgrowth " ? Can the

>overgrowth be caused by a suppressed immune system? Dennis

>

>

>In @y..., " Kat King " <katking@k...> wrote:

> > Hi ,

> >

> >

> > * Candida is a naturally occurring bacteria in the gut. The

>problem is when

> > it becomes systemic, and invades other organs. For me it became

>systemic

> > and affected my entire body. But for some people it settles in an

>organ

> > like the lungs that has a mucosal lining for it to live in.

> >

> > Candida overgrowth is very persistent, and once we have it we can

>manage it

> > but it will always be a problem when we become imbalanced.

> >

> > Here is a brief overview of what I have come up with.

> >

> > Avoid high carb diet (includes sugar, alcohol, lots of fruit, lots

>of

> > grains, white flour) as well as things that trigger insulin

>response (such

> > as caffeine and some artificial sweeteners , esp. aspartame).

> >

> > These things can set your body up to be a feeding ground for

>unfriendly

> > bacteria, and especially candida. When the insulin is always high,

>the

> > pancreas, adrenals, pituitary and thyroid are all overworked.

>Keeping your

> > body in a state of low grade " alert " danger (especially with the

>adrenals

> > which become exhausted).

> >

> > The immune system is on alert because the body is, but the immune

>system can

> > not identify the enemy. So it begins to attack YOU! We develop

>allergies,

> > food sensitivities, chemical sensitivities, lupus, and other

>degenerative

> > diseases. As the years go on, the problems get worse. And to

>compound all

> > this, the candida continues to feed and breed! Believe me, this

>situation

> > does not get better all by itself.

> >

> > I believe that the answer to stopping this cycle and preventing

>further

> > damage is so we can begin to heal is:

> >

> > 1> Low carb diet.

> > 2> WATER, lots of water, especially Prill water. This super

>hydrating water

> > has made a big impact on my health and healing.

> > 3> Ferment foods and get all the friendly bacteria in there that we

>can.

> >

> > All the other remedies and therapies I use are to support the

>specific

> > symptoms due to the damage that has been done (such as magnesium,

> > l-glutamine, herbs, essential oils, Rife, ORMUS, etc.).

> >

> > Kat

> > <http://www.katking.com>http://www.katking.com

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: " Lein " <smokey@s...>

> > < @y...>

> > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 8:45 AM

> > Subject: Re: nausea

> >

> >

> > > Since this is such an informed group, I thought i would see if I

>can get

> > any

> > > leads on what might be causing my nausea.

> > >

> > be.

> > >

> > > TIA,

> > >

> > >

>

>

>

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Hi Dennis,

YOU WROTE: " Can the> overgrowth be caused by a suppressed immune system? "

Candida is not caused by a suppressed immune system, but certainly takes

advantage of the situation.

I have a good friend who went through chemotherapy, and candida became a

real problem after this treatment. But, candida was a bit of a problem

before the chemo., just got worse after.

It is hard to believe, but there are still doctors who don't " believe in

candida infection. " A good doctor will take a blood sample and have it

tested. The results of a blood test are the most conclusive because you want

to see if the candida is in the blood. In a healthy individual, there would

be little to none.

When the body's immune system is suppressed, the candida can begin to take

over because the immune system cannot keep it in check. Remember, normally

candida is found in the gut. It is naturally occurring and is not a problem

unless it gets out of control. It belongs in the gut, not in your blood.

Most often candida overgrowth is caused by long term antibiotics (which

kills the friendly bacteria that keep candida in check) and high sugar

and/or carb consumption (candida feast and thrive on these food).

Many people who have a systemic infection (throughout the body), will have

mood swings, " foggy brain, " and allergies. The symptoms vary greatly, but

these seem to be the most common.

Kat

http://www.katking.com

----- Original Message -----

From: " dkemnitz2000 " <dkemnitz2000@...>

< >

Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 5:00 PM

Subject: Re: nausea

> --- Kat how would you diagnose candida or " overgrowth " ? Can the

> overgrowth be caused by a suppressed immune system? Dennis

>

>

> In @y..., " Kat King " <katking@k...> wrote:

> > Hi ,

> >

> >

> > * Candida is a naturally occurring bacteria in the gut. The

> problem is when

> > it becomes systemic, and invades other organs. For me it became

> systemic

> > and affected my entire body. But for some people it settles in an

> organ

> > like the lungs that has a mucosal lining for it to live in.

> >

> > Candida overgrowth is very persistent, and once we have it we can

> manage it

> > but it will always be a problem when we become imbalanced.

> >

> > Here is a brief overview of what I have come up with.

> >

> > Avoid high carb diet (includes sugar, alcohol, lots of fruit, lots

> of

> > grains, white flour) as well as things that trigger insulin

> response (such

> > as caffeine and some artificial sweeteners , esp. aspartame).

> >

> > These things can set your body up to be a feeding ground for

> unfriendly

> > bacteria, and especially candida. When the insulin is always high,

> the

> > pancreas, adrenals, pituitary and thyroid are all overworked.

> Keeping your

> > body in a state of low grade " alert " danger (especially with the

> adrenals

> > which become exhausted).

> >

> > The immune system is on alert because the body is, but the immune

> system can

> > not identify the enemy. So it begins to attack YOU! We develop

> allergies,

> > food sensitivities, chemical sensitivities, lupus, and other

> degenerative

> > diseases. As the years go on, the problems get worse. And to

> compound all

> > this, the candida continues to feed and breed! Believe me, this

> situation

> > does not get better all by itself.

> >

> > I believe that the answer to stopping this cycle and preventing

> further

> > damage is so we can begin to heal is:

> >

> > 1> Low carb diet.

> > 2> WATER, lots of water, especially Prill water. This super

> hydrating water

> > has made a big impact on my health and healing.

> > 3> Ferment foods and get all the friendly bacteria in there that we

> can.

> >

> > All the other remedies and therapies I use are to support the

> specific

> > symptoms due to the damage that has been done (such as magnesium,

> > l-glutamine, herbs, essential oils, Rife, ORMUS, etc.).

> >

> > Kat

> > http://www.katking.com

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: " Lein " <smokey@s...>

> > < @y...>

> > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 8:45 AM

> > Subject: Re: nausea

> >

> >

> > > Since this is such an informed group, I thought i would see if I

> can get

> > any

> > > leads on what might be causing my nausea.

> > >

> > be.

> > >

> > > TIA,

> > >

> > >

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--- Kat, so what happens when a person with candida overgrowth

reduces carb intake significantly? Like maybe drops from 200 grams

processed CHO's to maybe 50 grams daily. Thanks. Dennis

In @y..., " Kat King " <katking@k...> wrote:

> Hi Dennis,

>

> YOU WROTE: " Can the> overgrowth be caused by a suppressed immune

system? "

>

> Candida is not caused by a suppressed immune system, but certainly

takes

> advantage of the situation.

>

> I have a good friend who went through chemotherapy, and candida

became a

> real problem after this treatment. But, candida was a bit of a

problem

> before the chemo., just got worse after.

>

> It is hard to believe, but there are still doctors who

don't " believe in

> candida infection. " A good doctor will take a blood sample and

have it

> tested. The results of a blood test are the most conclusive because

you want

> to see if the candida is in the blood. In a healthy individual,

there would

> be little to none.

>

> When the body's immune system is suppressed, the candida can begin

to take

> over because the immune system cannot keep it in check. Remember,

normally

> candida is found in the gut. It is naturally occurring and is not

a problem

> unless it gets out of control

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>

> A good doctor will take a blood sample and

have it> tested. The results of a blood test are the most conclusive

> because you want> to see if the candida is in the blood.

Was this done by a regular doctor or lab? What kind of blood test?

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--- Kat could you consider this hypothetical along the lines of those

eliminated CHO's either, first being replaced by ideal calories

(whatever that is) and secondly not replaced just living with fewer

calories daily?

I'm not really trying to stump you, I'm just very interested. Dennis

In @y..., " dkemnitz2000 " <dkemnitz2000@y...> wrote:

> --- Kat, so what happens when a person with candida overgrowth

> reduces carb intake significantly? Like maybe drops from 200 grams

> processed CHO's to maybe 50 grams daily. Thanks. Dennis

>

>

> In @y..., " Kat King " <katking@k...> wrote:

> > Hi Dennis,

> >

> > YOU WROTE: " Can the> overgrowth be caused by a suppressed immune

> system? "

> >

> > Candida is not caused by a suppressed immune system, but

certainly

> takes

> > advantage of the situation.

> >

> > I have a good friend who went through chemotherapy, and candida

> became a

> > real problem after this treatment. But, candida was a bit of a

> problem

> > before the chemo., just got worse after.

> >

> > It is hard to believe, but there are still doctors who

> don't " believe in

> > candida infection. " A good doctor will take a blood sample and

> have it

> > tested. The results of a blood test are the most conclusive

because

> you want

> > to see if the candida is in the blood. In a healthy individual,

> there would

> > be little to none.

> >

> > When the body's immune system is suppressed, the candida can

begin

> to take

> > over because the immune system cannot keep it in check.

Remember,

> normally

> > candida is found in the gut. It is naturally occurring and is

not

> a problem

> > unless it gets out of control

>

> <>>>>>>>>><><<>><><><<<<<<>text below snipped by Dennid<><><><><><<

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To Sheila: The CFS " diagnosis " came from my accupuncturist after treating

me for about 6 yrs. I gave up on conventional Dr.'s about 12-13 yrs ago.

Personally I don't buy the diagnosis, not that people don't have all these

symptoms, I just think they are caused by a variety of factors in different

people. I also don't like to label myself with anything. We create what we

believe.

To Kat: Thank you for your insights. I was in fact diagnosed with Candida

about 11 yrs ago by a homeopathic/MD/ I did the nystatin - diet thing and

have been aware of the problems of sugar, grain, mold, etc. Not to say I

have given them up completely ;-). When I do eat bread these days, it is

either Ezekial or Alvarado Bakery...both sprouted whole grains. Very

possible that this is still a problem.

I do not consume alcohol, caffeine, or white flour (well maybe occasionally

flour at a social occasion) and certainly not artificial sweetners. If I

need a sweetner, I use Stevia. I do have a weakness for ice cream. I have

been making my own from organic (but not raw) cream. I have not been able

to find raw cream. I use organic chocolate for flavoring....I know sugar

and caffeine ;-((. But I keep this to once a week and have it shortly after

a protein meal.

I'm also aware of the constant " on alert system " , didn't realize it could

also come from the insulin response. For me the " on alert " came from years

from fearing for my life as the result of satanic and ritual abuse. Past

that now, thank God.

It is true that as of late I haven't been eating as much of my Kim Chee or

Kefir as I was. It was seeming like they were stimulating my appetite and

my cravings for them lessened. Has anyone else ever experienced this?

Probiotics making you feel hungrier? Or is this a figment of my overweight

paranoia imagination?

Perhaps I need to try a really clean diet for a while and see what happens.

ly it pisses me off that others can eat like garbage disposers and not

have any apparent health problems, and I who have been trying to eat healthy

for 20 yrs, can't get the energy to lead a " normal " life. Guess it's just

another lesson on the path.

Does anyone out there know about dehydration...caused by some sort of

potassium imbalance that could cause nausea? It's just that there is this

intuitive sense I have that something is wrong with the way my body uses or

metabolizes potassium and that I get dehydrated easily. Any thoughts on

that?

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Hi Dennis,

It helps a great deal.

I suspect that one of the reasons people feel so good on low carb diets is

that the candida begins to normalize.

Most people report more energy, clear thinking, a less mood swings. These

could all be signs a candida overgrowth is healing.

Kat

http://www.katking.com

----- Original Message -----

From: " dkemnitz2000 " <dkemnitz2000@...>

< >

Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 7:38 PM

Subject: Re: nausea

> --- Kat, so what happens when a person with candida overgrowth

> reduces carb intake significantly? Like maybe drops from 200 grams

> processed CHO's to maybe 50 grams daily. Thanks. Dennis

>

>

> In @y..., " Kat King " <katking@k...> wrote:

> > Hi Dennis,

> >

> > YOU WROTE: " Can the> overgrowth be caused by a suppressed immune

> system? "

> >

> > Candida is not caused by a suppressed immune system, but certainly

> takes

> > advantage of the situation.

> >

> > I have a good friend who went through chemotherapy, and candida

> became a

> > real problem after this treatment. But, candida was a bit of a

> problem

> > before the chemo., just got worse after.

> >

> > It is hard to believe, but there are still doctors who

> don't " believe in

> > candida infection. " A good doctor will take a blood sample and

> have it

> > tested. The results of a blood test are the most conclusive because

> you want

> > to see if the candida is in the blood. In a healthy individual,

> there would

> > be little to none.

> >

> > When the body's immune system is suppressed, the candida can begin

> to take

> > over because the immune system cannot keep it in check. Remember,

> normally

> > candida is found in the gut. It is naturally occurring and is not

> a problem

> > unless it gets out of control

>

> <>>>>>>>>><><<>><><><<<<<<>text below snipped by Dennid<><><><><><<

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I can't remember the name of the test, but the last time I had it done was

about 1 1/2 years ago.

They just take a blood sample and the lab comes back with measures. If your

blood is in a certain range, you have the candida overgrowth (infection).

It is like most standard blood tests. No fasting, nothing needs to be done

but allow them to draw a small vial of blood.

The doctor I had at the time suggested taking garlic capsules. I did for a

while and it seemed to help, but found that fermented foods are much more

effective. I make yogurt, fil mjolk, kefir, kombucha and just started

playing around with EM (effective microorganisms).

Also, any time I think I have been on this long enough and just a little

sugar will not hurt, I quickly find I am wrong. Sticking to a low carb diet

will be a way of life for me.

Kat

http://www.katking.com

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From: " darkstardog " <darkstar@...>

< >

Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 8:00 PM

Subject: Re: nausea

>

> >

> > A good doctor will take a blood sample and

> have it> tested. The results of a blood test are the most conclusive

> > because you want> to see if the candida is in the blood.

>

> Was this done by a regular doctor or lab? What kind of blood test?

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Hi Dennis,

I try to keep it simple and to keep my diet clean. I eat almost nothing

that comes in a box or a can. I try to avoid all grains, but not everyone

needs to do this. I make an effort to eat fats (nuts, meats, coconut oil,

olive oil).

For most people a low carb. diet will help. It is not the calories, it is

the sugars/carbs. that encourage candida overgrowth.

Kat

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----- Original Message -----

From: " dkemnitz2000 " <dkemnitz2000@...>

< >

Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 8:24 PM

Subject: Re: nausea

> --- Kat could you consider this hypothetical along the lines of those

> eliminated CHO's either, first being replaced by ideal calories

> (whatever that is) and secondly not replaced just living with fewer

> calories daily?

> I'm not really trying to stump you, I'm just very interested. Dennis

>

> In @y..., " dkemnitz2000 " <dkemnitz2000@y...> wrote:

> > --- Kat, so what happens when a person with candida overgrowth

> > reduces carb intake significantly? Like maybe drops from 200 grams

> > processed CHO's to maybe 50 grams daily. Thanks. Dennis

> >

> >

> > In @y..., " Kat King " <katking@k...> wrote:

> > > Hi Dennis,

> > >

> > > YOU WROTE: " Can the> overgrowth be caused by a suppressed immune

> > system? "

> > >

> > > Candida is not caused by a suppressed immune system, but

> certainly

> > takes

> > > advantage of the situation.

> > >

> > > I have a good friend who went through chemotherapy, and candida

> > became a

> > > real problem after this treatment. But, candida was a bit of a

> > problem

> > > before the chemo., just got worse after.

> > >

> > > It is hard to believe, but there are still doctors who

> > don't " believe in

> > > candida infection. " A good doctor will take a blood sample and

> > have it

> > > tested. The results of a blood test are the most conclusive

> because

> > you want

> > > to see if the candida is in the blood. In a healthy individual,

> > there would

> > > be little to none.

> > >

> > > When the body's immune system is suppressed, the candida can

> begin

> > to take

> > > over because the immune system cannot keep it in check.

> Remember,

> > normally

> > > candida is found in the gut. It is naturally occurring and is

> not

> > a problem

> > > unless it gets out of control

> >

> > <>>>>>>>>><><<>><><><<<<<<>text below snipped by Dennid<><><><><><<

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Hi ,

There is a GREAT book called Your Body's Many Cries For Water. This doctor

claims that the root of all disease is dehydration.

I had just finished reading this book when someone on another group told me

about super-hydrating water made with beads. These beads alter the

molecules in the water, making a " thin water, " like dew.

The idea is that these small molecules can more easily get into the cells.

This has a three fold effect: 1> Nutritional delivery is enhanced. 2>

hydration is increased. 3> waste can be washed away.

Like you, I have tried most everything in an effort to regain my health. For

$50.00 these beads were supposed to make a gallon of this super-hydrating

water, every hour, for life.

Since I had just finished reading this book on water, I thought " I am either

a sucker or this is a " God shot. "

I LOVE this water. You can feel the difference right away. When I touch the

water it feels like a light moisturizer has been applied. It has done more

for me than any single therapy I have tried, and I have spent thousands on

various things over the last 11 years.

There is more information at

http://www.katking.com/Twilight/TwilightMain.htm

Since this is off topic, feel free to write to me off the group if you have

any questions.

Kat

http://www.katking.com

----- Original Message -----

From: " Lein " <smokey@...>

< >

Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 7:10 AM

Subject: Re: nausea

> To Sheila: The CFS " diagnosis " came from my accupuncturist after treating

> me for about 6 yrs. I gave up on conventional Dr.'s about 12-13 yrs ago.

> Personally I don't buy the diagnosis, not that people don't have all these

> symptoms, I just think they are caused by a variety of factors in

different

> people. I also don't like to label myself with anything. We create what

we

> believe.

>

> To Kat: Thank you for your insights. I was in fact diagnosed with

Candida

> about 11 yrs ago by a homeopathic/MD/ I did the nystatin - diet thing and

> have been aware of the problems of sugar, grain, mold, etc. Not to say I

> have given them up completely ;-). When I do eat bread these days, it is

> either Ezekial or Alvarado Bakery...both sprouted whole grains. Very

> possible that this is still a problem.

>

> I do not consume alcohol, caffeine, or white flour (well maybe

occasionally

> flour at a social occasion) and certainly not artificial sweetners. If I

> need a sweetner, I use Stevia. I do have a weakness for ice cream. I

have

> been making my own from organic (but not raw) cream. I have not been able

> to find raw cream. I use organic chocolate for flavoring....I know sugar

> and caffeine ;-((. But I keep this to once a week and have it shortly

after

> a protein meal.

>

> I'm also aware of the constant " on alert system " , didn't realize it could

> also come from the insulin response. For me the " on alert " came from

years

> from fearing for my life as the result of satanic and ritual abuse. Past

> that now, thank God.

>

> It is true that as of late I haven't been eating as much of my Kim Chee or

> Kefir as I was. It was seeming like they were stimulating my appetite and

> my cravings for them lessened. Has anyone else ever experienced this?

> Probiotics making you feel hungrier? Or is this a figment of my

overweight

> paranoia imagination?

>

> Perhaps I need to try a really clean diet for a while and see what

happens.

> ly it pisses me off that others can eat like garbage disposers and

not

> have any apparent health problems, and I who have been trying to eat

healthy

> for 20 yrs, can't get the energy to lead a " normal " life. Guess it's just

> another lesson on the path.

>

> Does anyone out there know about dehydration...caused by some sort of

> potassium imbalance that could cause nausea? It's just that there is this

> intuitive sense I have that something is wrong with the way my body uses

or

> metabolizes potassium and that I get dehydrated easily. Any thoughts on

> that?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> It is true that as of late I haven't been eating as much of my Kim Chee or

> Kefir as I was. It was seeming like they were stimulating my appetite and

> my cravings for them lessened. Has anyone else ever experienced this?

> Probiotics making you feel hungrier? Or is this a figment of my

overweight

> paranoia imagination?

I have just read Ray Peat's piece on coconut oil (below). He ceratinaly

makes tha point that if you eat coconut oil you will slim down - it speeds

up your metabolism. It's worth a read.

http://www.efn.org/~raypeat/nutri.html

The Benefits of Coconut Oil

http://www.efn.org/~raypeat/coconut.rtf

> Perhaps I need to try a really clean diet for a while and see what

happens.

> ly it pisses me off that others can eat like garbage disposers and

not

> have any apparent health problems, and I who have been trying to eat

healthy

> for 20 yrs, can't get the energy to lead a " normal " life. Guess it's just

> another lesson on the path.

That's a bummer!

> Does anyone out there know about dehydration...caused by some sort of

> potassium imbalance that could cause nausea? It's just that there is this

> intuitive sense I have that something is wrong with the way my body uses

or

> metabolizes potassium and that I get dehydrated easily. Any thoughts on

> that?

This may not be actually answering your questions, but have you read " Your

Body's Many Cries For Water " ? I just read that and was amazed at how many

ways lack of adequate water can upset your balance. This too was a whole new

area for me, in spite of my training in nutrition.

Kris

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Just an interesting update. Yesterday I went to see my PT who does

myofacial release and energy work. She had been out of country so I haven't

seen her for 4 weeks. She worked on some tight muscles that affect certain

nerves to the spine. I had forgotten about the spine out of whack - nausea

connection. I am feeling better today. But I am going to check with Kat

about the water cause I still think there is also this dehydration thing.

What happens is I drink alot of water, but it goes right through. In the

past I have tried drinking an electrolyte drink and it has helped the

flu-like symptoms. Maybe I forgot this time so I could find out about these

water beads from Kat ;-).

Liz, I got sick the morning I was to go pick them up so it actually hit

before they got home. I feel best when I am out with the horses, they havew

their own healing abilities. I have considered that it is something in the

house, but I have been living here 15 yrs and I am not always sick. Also, I

do not use chemical products in the house. Very little carpeting, etc.

Liz wrote: <<<I think this might be your clue -- if your nausea started

when the horses came home, I would suggest that your illness is very likely

due to something about the horses. Perhaps a bacterial or viral infection

that they carried; allergic response to either the horses or something in

the materials used in the barn; something about the grasses planted in the

pasture? There probably was some new element introduced either via the

horses or barn or pastures. Have you been tested for infection? Allergy

tested? Good luck!>>

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  • 4 years later...

Anyone who has taken prednisone knows that awful nausea side effect

where you think if you eat the feeling will go away but doesn't...

having been on evil candy for thirty years I am accustomed to that.

I've had two Xolair injections and am noticing an increased nausea the

past two months and it's been really bad since the last injection - I

am aware of it most of the time. Nothing I drink or eat (yogurt,

bread) seems to make a difference. I'm already on Nexium twice a day

but I don't notice reflux, just this sicky feeling in my stomach. It's

kind of like when I was taking Slow FE Iron supplement (I've been

doing Feosol the past year and have not had that horrible sick to my

stomach until this summer).

Is this a Xolair coincidence of something else or do others have this

symptom from Xolair?

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>

> Anyone who has taken prednisone knows that awful nausea side effect

> where you think if you eat the feeling will go away but doesn't...

> having been on evil candy for thirty years I am accustomed to that.

>

> I've had two Xolair injections and am noticing an increased nausea the

> past two months and it's been really bad since the last injection - I

> am aware of it most of the time. Nothing I drink or eat (yogurt,

> bread) seems to make a difference. I'm already on Nexium twice a day

> but I don't notice reflux, just this sicky feeling in my stomach. It's

> kind of like when I was taking Slow FE Iron supplement (I've been

> doing Feosol the past year and have not had that horrible sick to my

> stomach until this summer).

>

> Is this a Xolair coincidence of something else or do others have this

> symptom from Xolair?

>

Thanks for posting :)

I have been on Xolair since it was first approved in 1993 and have had

no problems with nausea. This is the first time I have heard this

symptom brought up on this board. I hope others respond to your

question too. I would like to learn more too :)

Doug

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My son has been on Xolair since it was approved in 1993, and he has never

experienced

the nausea from taking it. As of a matter of fact, before Xolair he was

always sick to his

stomach and taking Nexium which he does not need now.

uca79iii <bme1979@...> wrote:

>

> Anyone who has taken prednisone knows that awful nausea side effect

> where you think if you eat the feeling will go away but doesn't...

> having been on evil candy for thirty years I am accustomed to that.

>

> I've had two Xolair injections and am noticing an increased nausea the

> past two months and it's been really bad since the last injection - I

> am aware of it most of the time. Nothing I drink or eat (yogurt,

> bread) seems to make a difference. I'm already on Nexium twice a day

> but I don't notice reflux, just this sicky feeling in my stomach. It's

> kind of like when I was taking Slow FE Iron supplement (I've been

> doing Feosol the past year and have not had that horrible sick to my

> stomach until this summer).

>

> Is this a Xolair coincidence of something else or do others have this

> symptom from Xolair?

>

Thanks for posting :)

I have been on Xolair since it was first approved in 1993 and have had

no problems with nausea. This is the first time I have heard this

symptom brought up on this board. I hope others respond to your

question too. I would like to learn more too :)

Doug

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> Hi,

>

> I have been on pred for eons. Nausea is not a usual side effect of

prednisone. However, prednisone does cause gastric distress and, in

some, can lead to serious GI problems (peptic ulcer, pancreatitis

etc...) that do have nausea as a side effect. You should get a

thorough GI work-up. There are many effective anti-nausea drugs out

there. I have never heard of nausea as a side effect of xolair. There

is no mechanism whereby xolair could cause it through its

pharmacological actions.

>

>

>

> ps Doug it's 2003 not 1993!! Lol!

OOPS! See what all those years on evil candy have done to my mind????

LOL!

Doug

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Nausea wasn't a side effect for me even on the prednisone. But I did have

stomach cramps and would sometimes be nauseated if I didn't eat enough or didn't

eat before taking the pred. I learned early on to be sure to eat something

before taking the evil stuff. Nausea has not been a side effect for xolair for

me, either. But I do get nauseated if I go too long without eating something.

I agree that getting a good check-up by a GI is a good place to start. That

would rule out any serious problem, hopefully.

Adah

uca79iii <bme1979@...> wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> I have been on pred for eons. Nausea is not a usual side effect of

prednisone. However, prednisone does cause gastric distress and, in

some, can lead to serious GI problems (peptic ulcer, pancreatitis

etc...) that do have nausea as a side effect. You should get a

thorough GI work-up. There are many effective anti-nausea drugs out

there. I have never heard of nausea as a side effect of xolair. There

is no mechanism whereby xolair could cause it through its

pharmacological actions.

>

>

>

> ps Doug it's 2003 not 1993!! Lol!

OOPS! See what all those years on evil candy have done to my mind????

LOL!

Doug

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I agree completely with about the importance of evaluating

your nausea as a symptom of something other than a side effect of

Xolair. There are many possible reasons for longstanding nausea. It

would be wise to see your primary ASAP and let her/him check you out

to see if there is a simple cause and then refer you to a GI

specialist if necessary.

Fran

>

> Hi,

>

> I have been on pred for eons. Nausea is not a usual side effect of

prednisone. However, prednisone does cause gastric distress and, in

some, can lead to serious GI problems (peptic ulcer, pancreatitis

etc...) that do have nausea as a side effect. You should get a

thorough GI work-up. There are many effective anti-nausea drugs out

there. I have never heard of nausea as a side effect of xolair. There

is no mechanism whereby xolair could cause it through its

pharmacological actions.

>

>

>

> ps Doug it's 2003 not 1993!! Lol!

>

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I also experienced the nausea you describe when taking prednisone - it

was awful. It also gave me this horrible metal taste in my mouth -

which everyone said it should not - BUT IT DID. I switched from

prednisone to medrol(Methylprednisolone), and the nausea and metal

taste disappeared. I dont' know why - maybe it was all just

psychological (which I don't really believe) but what really matters

was that I was more comfortable. Although I'm still lucky enough to

experience some of the other fun symptoms - puffy face, mood swings,

bruising, etc. I've been on medrol now for five years - every day even

with the Xolair.

I have also experienced bouts (lasting weeks) of nausea similar to what

I had experienced with the prednisone while on Xolair. However, I have

not attributed my nausea to the Xolair. I attributed those bouts to

another condition I have - hypereosinophilia (HES - an autoimmune

disease)- and increased my medrol for a couple of months until it went

away. I did find it interesting to hear about your experience, though,

since the nausea bouts I experienced were atypical of my

usual " flairs. " I'm still thinking it was probably the HES, but will be

interested to hear if anyone has this experience.

Thanks for sharing your experience!

Peggy

>

> Anyone who has taken prednisone knows that awful nausea side effect

> where you think if you eat the feeling will go away but doesn't...

> having been on evil candy for thirty years I am accustomed to that.

>

> I've had two Xolair injections and am noticing an increased nausea the

> past two months and it's been really bad since the last injection - I

> am aware of it most of the time. Nothing I drink or eat (yogurt,

> bread) seems to make a difference. I'm already on Nexium twice a day

> but I don't notice reflux, just this sicky feeling in my stomach. It's

> kind of like when I was taking Slow FE Iron supplement (I've been

> doing Feosol the past year and have not had that horrible sick to my

> stomach until this summer).

>

> Is this a Xolair coincidence of something else or do others have this

> symptom from Xolair?

>

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