Guest guest Posted October 16, 2002 Report Share Posted October 16, 2002 Since this is such an informed group, I thought i would see if I can get any leads on what might be causing my nausea. Brief background is diagnosis of chronic fatique and fibromyalgia with symptoms going back 20 yrs. These symptoms are mild compared to others I have heard about. Primarily fatique, flu-like symptoms and muscle pain. Symptoms come in cycles. On for 6-8 weeks then better for 2-3 months. Best and most consistent help has been from accupuncture, chinese herbs and energy work. Stress (emotional and physical) exacerbates situation, have learned to deal with this very well. Spiritual awakening has made huge difference. Last two years I have been doing very well. Then this spring I had enormous energy while my horse barn was being built. Was able to work 10 hrs physical work 6 days a week. Was on a high from being able to do this. Felt so great. Barn and pastures were finished, horses came home and I got sick that day. Been sick on and off ever since. My accupuncturists says because I have chronic fatique I can't " overdo " it without paying the price. She is from China, so she sees it as a balance thing. I want to be able to do lots of physical work and not colapse for 6-8 weeks. (45 yrs young) Back to accupuncture and herbs. Has helped with energy. Found a Naturopath. Urine analysis is being done but not here yet. She suspects liver and adrenals as problems. When she reviewed my food intake for 4 days she questioned the amount of saturated fat and coconut oil. (Not that she thinks sat fat is bad, thought my balance was off). Didn't understand benefits of coconut oil so I am sending her info. Also, Naturopath felt for tender spots and came up with liver and adrenals. I tried an experiment to see if fat was making me nauseous. Stopped using Coconut oil for the last week. No difference. Used much less fat in general, no difference. Since I too have a tendency to hypoglycemia, and never know what to eat for breakfast, I tried the " add a little fruit " (apple) still nauseous. As for my diet, I'm not sure what it has to do with it because this has been going on for so long. Years ago I had SAD diet, 12 yrs ago became Vegetarian and Vegan, 5 yrs ago Fishitarian, 6 months ago NT ...well not perfect that's for sure, but certainly better than most;-)). Any ideas? Don't expect diagnosis, just possibilities of what it could be. TIA, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2002 Report Share Posted October 16, 2002 Hi , Would you mind telling me how you determinded the diagnosis of you CFS? I know someone who believes thay have this problem and is thinking of going to the Mayo Clinic for confirmation. Thanks, Sheila > Since this is such an informed group, I thought i would see if I can get any > leads on what might be causing my nausea. > > Brief background is diagnosis of chronic fatique and fibromyalgia with > symptoms going back 20 yrs. These symptoms are mild compared to others I > have heard about. Primarily fatique, flu-like symptoms and muscle pain. > Symptoms come in cycles. On for 6-8 weeks then better for 2-3 months. Best > and most consistent help has been from accupuncture, chinese herbs and > energy work. Stress (emotional and physical) exacerbates situation, have > learned to deal with this very well. Spiritual awakening has made huge > difference. > > Last two years I have been doing very well. Then this spring I had enormous > energy while my horse barn was being built. Was able to work 10 hrs > physical work 6 days a week. Was on a high from being able to do this. > Felt so great. Barn and pastures were finished, horses came home and I got > sick that day. Been sick on and off ever since. My accupuncturists says > because I have chronic fatique I can't " overdo " it without paying the price. > She is from China, so she sees it as a balance thing. I want to be able to > do lots of physical work and not colapse for 6-8 weeks. (45 yrs young) > > Back to accupuncture and herbs. Has helped with energy. Found a > Naturopath. Urine analysis is being done but not here yet. She suspects > liver and adrenals as problems. When she reviewed my food intake for 4 days > she questioned the amount of saturated fat and coconut oil. (Not that she > thinks sat fat is bad, thought my balance was off). Didn't understand > benefits of coconut oil so I am sending her info. Also, Naturopath felt for > tender spots and came up with liver and adrenals. > > I tried an experiment to see if fat was making me nauseous. Stopped using > Coconut oil for the last week. No difference. Used much less fat in > general, no difference. > > Since I too have a tendency to hypoglycemia, and never know what to eat for > breakfast, I tried the " add a little fruit " (apple) still nauseous. > > As for my diet, I'm not sure what it has to do with it because this has been > going on for so long. Years ago I had SAD diet, 12 yrs ago became > Vegetarian and Vegan, 5 yrs ago Fishitarian, 6 months ago NT ...well not > perfect that's for sure, but certainly better than most;-)). > > Any ideas? Don't expect diagnosis, just possibilities of what it could be. > > TIA, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2002 Report Share Posted October 16, 2002 Hi , I have had severe CFS and fibromyalgia for over ten years. It was severe enough that even the doctors recommended I go on permanent disability. No one had any idea what to do for it. I have studied every book that has come out and used myself as a laboratory for experimenting with various things. Finally I have hit upon what works for me. I needed to look first at blood sugar (I am hypoglycemic), food sensitivity (and chemical sensitivity), * candida. * Candida is a naturally occurring bacteria in the gut. The problem is when it becomes systemic, and invades other organs. For me it became systemic and affected my entire body. But for some people it settles in an organ like the lungs that has a mucosal lining for it to live in. Candida overgrowth is very persistent, and once we have it we can manage it but it will always be a problem when we become imbalanced. Here is a brief overview of what I have come up with. Avoid high carb diet (includes sugar, alcohol, lots of fruit, lots of grains, white flour) as well as things that trigger insulin response (such as caffeine and some artificial sweeteners , esp. aspartame). These things can set your body up to be a feeding ground for unfriendly bacteria, and especially candida. When the insulin is always high, the pancreas, adrenals, pituitary and thyroid are all overworked. Keeping your body in a state of low grade " alert " danger (especially with the adrenals which become exhausted). The immune system is on alert because the body is, but the immune system can not identify the enemy. So it begins to attack YOU! We develop allergies, food sensitivities, chemical sensitivities, lupus, and other degenerative diseases. As the years go on, the problems get worse. And to compound all this, the candida continues to feed and breed! Believe me, this situation does not get better all by itself. I believe that the answer to stopping this cycle and preventing further damage is so we can begin to heal is: 1> Low carb diet. 2> WATER, lots of water, especially Prill water. This super hydrating water has made a big impact on my health and healing. 3> Ferment foods and get all the friendly bacteria in there that we can. All the other remedies and therapies I use are to support the specific symptoms due to the damage that has been done (such as magnesium, l-glutamine, herbs, essential oils, Rife, ORMUS, etc.). I first needed to stop this attack on my body before I could calm my mind enough to lead a life of spiritual calm. While my adrenals and nervous system were being " attacked " all I could do was hold on day by day. Today I have hope that I will again lead a normal life. I still have bad days, but before it was rare to have a day as good as the days I now call bad. Hope this helps, Kat http://www.katking.com ----- Original Message ----- From: " Lein " <smokey@...> < > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 8:45 AM Subject: Re: nausea > Since this is such an informed group, I thought i would see if I can get any > leads on what might be causing my nausea. > > Brief background is diagnosis of chronic fatique and fibromyalgia with > symptoms going back 20 yrs. These symptoms are mild compared to others I > have heard about. Primarily fatique, flu-like symptoms and muscle pain. > Symptoms come in cycles. On for 6-8 weeks then better for 2-3 months. Best > and most consistent help has been from accupuncture, chinese herbs and > energy work. Stress (emotional and physical) exacerbates situation, have > learned to deal with this very well. Spiritual awakening has made huge > difference. > > Last two years I have been doing very well. Then this spring I had enormous > energy while my horse barn was being built. Was able to work 10 hrs > physical work 6 days a week. Was on a high from being able to do this. > Felt so great. Barn and pastures were finished, horses came home and I got > sick that day. Been sick on and off ever since. My accupuncturists says > because I have chronic fatique I can't " overdo " it without paying the price. > She is from China, so she sees it as a balance thing. I want to be able to > do lots of physical work and not colapse for 6-8 weeks. (45 yrs young) > > Back to accupuncture and herbs. Has helped with energy. Found a > Naturopath. Urine analysis is being done but not here yet. She suspects > liver and adrenals as problems. When she reviewed my food intake for 4 days > she questioned the amount of saturated fat and coconut oil. (Not that she > thinks sat fat is bad, thought my balance was off). Didn't understand > benefits of coconut oil so I am sending her info. Also, Naturopath felt for > tender spots and came up with liver and adrenals. > > I tried an experiment to see if fat was making me nauseous. Stopped using > Coconut oil for the last week. No difference. Used much less fat in > general, no difference. > > Since I too have a tendency to hypoglycemia, and never know what to eat for > breakfast, I tried the " add a little fruit " (apple) still nauseous. > > As for my diet, I'm not sure what it has to do with it because this has been > going on for so long. Years ago I had SAD diet, 12 yrs ago became > Vegetarian and Vegan, 5 yrs ago Fishitarian, 6 months ago NT ...well not > perfect that's for sure, but certainly better than most;-)). > > Any ideas? Don't expect diagnosis, just possibilities of what it could be. > > TIA, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 --- Kat how would you diagnose candida or " overgrowth " ? Can the overgrowth be caused by a suppressed immune system? Dennis In @y..., " Kat King " <katking@k...> wrote: > Hi , > > > * Candida is a naturally occurring bacteria in the gut. The problem is when > it becomes systemic, and invades other organs. For me it became systemic > and affected my entire body. But for some people it settles in an organ > like the lungs that has a mucosal lining for it to live in. > > Candida overgrowth is very persistent, and once we have it we can manage it > but it will always be a problem when we become imbalanced. > > Here is a brief overview of what I have come up with. > > Avoid high carb diet (includes sugar, alcohol, lots of fruit, lots of > grains, white flour) as well as things that trigger insulin response (such > as caffeine and some artificial sweeteners , esp. aspartame). > > These things can set your body up to be a feeding ground for unfriendly > bacteria, and especially candida. When the insulin is always high, the > pancreas, adrenals, pituitary and thyroid are all overworked. Keeping your > body in a state of low grade " alert " danger (especially with the adrenals > which become exhausted). > > The immune system is on alert because the body is, but the immune system can > not identify the enemy. So it begins to attack YOU! We develop allergies, > food sensitivities, chemical sensitivities, lupus, and other degenerative > diseases. As the years go on, the problems get worse. And to compound all > this, the candida continues to feed and breed! Believe me, this situation > does not get better all by itself. > > I believe that the answer to stopping this cycle and preventing further > damage is so we can begin to heal is: > > 1> Low carb diet. > 2> WATER, lots of water, especially Prill water. This super hydrating water > has made a big impact on my health and healing. > 3> Ferment foods and get all the friendly bacteria in there that we can. > > All the other remedies and therapies I use are to support the specific > symptoms due to the damage that has been done (such as magnesium, > l-glutamine, herbs, essential oils, Rife, ORMUS, etc.). > > Kat > http://www.katking.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " Lein " <smokey@s...> > < @y...> > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 8:45 AM > Subject: Re: nausea > > > > Since this is such an informed group, I thought i would see if I can get > any > > leads on what might be causing my nausea. > > > be. > > > > TIA, > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 Candida overgowth can be diagnosed with a stool test. They check for the presence and amount of yeast. Candida overgowht can be caused by a suppressed immune system. AIDS patients frequently have the problem. Irene At 05:00 PM 10/16/02, you wrote: >--- Kat how would you diagnose candida or " overgrowth " ? Can the >overgrowth be caused by a suppressed immune system? Dennis > > >In @y..., " Kat King " <katking@k...> wrote: > > Hi , > > > > > > * Candida is a naturally occurring bacteria in the gut. The >problem is when > > it becomes systemic, and invades other organs. For me it became >systemic > > and affected my entire body. But for some people it settles in an >organ > > like the lungs that has a mucosal lining for it to live in. > > > > Candida overgrowth is very persistent, and once we have it we can >manage it > > but it will always be a problem when we become imbalanced. > > > > Here is a brief overview of what I have come up with. > > > > Avoid high carb diet (includes sugar, alcohol, lots of fruit, lots >of > > grains, white flour) as well as things that trigger insulin >response (such > > as caffeine and some artificial sweeteners , esp. aspartame). > > > > These things can set your body up to be a feeding ground for >unfriendly > > bacteria, and especially candida. When the insulin is always high, >the > > pancreas, adrenals, pituitary and thyroid are all overworked. >Keeping your > > body in a state of low grade " alert " danger (especially with the >adrenals > > which become exhausted). > > > > The immune system is on alert because the body is, but the immune >system can > > not identify the enemy. So it begins to attack YOU! We develop >allergies, > > food sensitivities, chemical sensitivities, lupus, and other >degenerative > > diseases. As the years go on, the problems get worse. And to >compound all > > this, the candida continues to feed and breed! Believe me, this >situation > > does not get better all by itself. > > > > I believe that the answer to stopping this cycle and preventing >further > > damage is so we can begin to heal is: > > > > 1> Low carb diet. > > 2> WATER, lots of water, especially Prill water. This super >hydrating water > > has made a big impact on my health and healing. > > 3> Ferment foods and get all the friendly bacteria in there that we >can. > > > > All the other remedies and therapies I use are to support the >specific > > symptoms due to the damage that has been done (such as magnesium, > > l-glutamine, herbs, essential oils, Rife, ORMUS, etc.). > > > > Kat > > <http://www.katking.com>http://www.katking.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: " Lein " <smokey@s...> > > < @y...> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 8:45 AM > > Subject: Re: nausea > > > > > > > Since this is such an informed group, I thought i would see if I >can get > > any > > > leads on what might be causing my nausea. > > > > > be. > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 Hi Dennis, YOU WROTE: " Can the> overgrowth be caused by a suppressed immune system? " Candida is not caused by a suppressed immune system, but certainly takes advantage of the situation. I have a good friend who went through chemotherapy, and candida became a real problem after this treatment. But, candida was a bit of a problem before the chemo., just got worse after. It is hard to believe, but there are still doctors who don't " believe in candida infection. " A good doctor will take a blood sample and have it tested. The results of a blood test are the most conclusive because you want to see if the candida is in the blood. In a healthy individual, there would be little to none. When the body's immune system is suppressed, the candida can begin to take over because the immune system cannot keep it in check. Remember, normally candida is found in the gut. It is naturally occurring and is not a problem unless it gets out of control. It belongs in the gut, not in your blood. Most often candida overgrowth is caused by long term antibiotics (which kills the friendly bacteria that keep candida in check) and high sugar and/or carb consumption (candida feast and thrive on these food). Many people who have a systemic infection (throughout the body), will have mood swings, " foggy brain, " and allergies. The symptoms vary greatly, but these seem to be the most common. Kat http://www.katking.com ----- Original Message ----- From: " dkemnitz2000 " <dkemnitz2000@...> < > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 5:00 PM Subject: Re: nausea > --- Kat how would you diagnose candida or " overgrowth " ? Can the > overgrowth be caused by a suppressed immune system? Dennis > > > In @y..., " Kat King " <katking@k...> wrote: > > Hi , > > > > > > * Candida is a naturally occurring bacteria in the gut. The > problem is when > > it becomes systemic, and invades other organs. For me it became > systemic > > and affected my entire body. But for some people it settles in an > organ > > like the lungs that has a mucosal lining for it to live in. > > > > Candida overgrowth is very persistent, and once we have it we can > manage it > > but it will always be a problem when we become imbalanced. > > > > Here is a brief overview of what I have come up with. > > > > Avoid high carb diet (includes sugar, alcohol, lots of fruit, lots > of > > grains, white flour) as well as things that trigger insulin > response (such > > as caffeine and some artificial sweeteners , esp. aspartame). > > > > These things can set your body up to be a feeding ground for > unfriendly > > bacteria, and especially candida. When the insulin is always high, > the > > pancreas, adrenals, pituitary and thyroid are all overworked. > Keeping your > > body in a state of low grade " alert " danger (especially with the > adrenals > > which become exhausted). > > > > The immune system is on alert because the body is, but the immune > system can > > not identify the enemy. So it begins to attack YOU! We develop > allergies, > > food sensitivities, chemical sensitivities, lupus, and other > degenerative > > diseases. As the years go on, the problems get worse. And to > compound all > > this, the candida continues to feed and breed! Believe me, this > situation > > does not get better all by itself. > > > > I believe that the answer to stopping this cycle and preventing > further > > damage is so we can begin to heal is: > > > > 1> Low carb diet. > > 2> WATER, lots of water, especially Prill water. This super > hydrating water > > has made a big impact on my health and healing. > > 3> Ferment foods and get all the friendly bacteria in there that we > can. > > > > All the other remedies and therapies I use are to support the > specific > > symptoms due to the damage that has been done (such as magnesium, > > l-glutamine, herbs, essential oils, Rife, ORMUS, etc.). > > > > Kat > > http://www.katking.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: " Lein " <smokey@s...> > > < @y...> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 8:45 AM > > Subject: Re: nausea > > > > > > > Since this is such an informed group, I thought i would see if I > can get > > any > > > leads on what might be causing my nausea. > > > > > be. > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 --- Kat, so what happens when a person with candida overgrowth reduces carb intake significantly? Like maybe drops from 200 grams processed CHO's to maybe 50 grams daily. Thanks. Dennis In @y..., " Kat King " <katking@k...> wrote: > Hi Dennis, > > YOU WROTE: " Can the> overgrowth be caused by a suppressed immune system? " > > Candida is not caused by a suppressed immune system, but certainly takes > advantage of the situation. > > I have a good friend who went through chemotherapy, and candida became a > real problem after this treatment. But, candida was a bit of a problem > before the chemo., just got worse after. > > It is hard to believe, but there are still doctors who don't " believe in > candida infection. " A good doctor will take a blood sample and have it > tested. The results of a blood test are the most conclusive because you want > to see if the candida is in the blood. In a healthy individual, there would > be little to none. > > When the body's immune system is suppressed, the candida can begin to take > over because the immune system cannot keep it in check. Remember, normally > candida is found in the gut. It is naturally occurring and is not a problem > unless it gets out of control <>>>>>>>>><><<>><><><<<<<<>text below snipped by Dennid<><><><><><< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 > > A good doctor will take a blood sample and have it> tested. The results of a blood test are the most conclusive > because you want> to see if the candida is in the blood. Was this done by a regular doctor or lab? What kind of blood test? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 --- Kat could you consider this hypothetical along the lines of those eliminated CHO's either, first being replaced by ideal calories (whatever that is) and secondly not replaced just living with fewer calories daily? I'm not really trying to stump you, I'm just very interested. Dennis In @y..., " dkemnitz2000 " <dkemnitz2000@y...> wrote: > --- Kat, so what happens when a person with candida overgrowth > reduces carb intake significantly? Like maybe drops from 200 grams > processed CHO's to maybe 50 grams daily. Thanks. Dennis > > > In @y..., " Kat King " <katking@k...> wrote: > > Hi Dennis, > > > > YOU WROTE: " Can the> overgrowth be caused by a suppressed immune > system? " > > > > Candida is not caused by a suppressed immune system, but certainly > takes > > advantage of the situation. > > > > I have a good friend who went through chemotherapy, and candida > became a > > real problem after this treatment. But, candida was a bit of a > problem > > before the chemo., just got worse after. > > > > It is hard to believe, but there are still doctors who > don't " believe in > > candida infection. " A good doctor will take a blood sample and > have it > > tested. The results of a blood test are the most conclusive because > you want > > to see if the candida is in the blood. In a healthy individual, > there would > > be little to none. > > > > When the body's immune system is suppressed, the candida can begin > to take > > over because the immune system cannot keep it in check. Remember, > normally > > candida is found in the gut. It is naturally occurring and is not > a problem > > unless it gets out of control > > <>>>>>>>>><><<>><><><<<<<<>text below snipped by Dennid<><><><><><< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 To Sheila: The CFS " diagnosis " came from my accupuncturist after treating me for about 6 yrs. I gave up on conventional Dr.'s about 12-13 yrs ago. Personally I don't buy the diagnosis, not that people don't have all these symptoms, I just think they are caused by a variety of factors in different people. I also don't like to label myself with anything. We create what we believe. To Kat: Thank you for your insights. I was in fact diagnosed with Candida about 11 yrs ago by a homeopathic/MD/ I did the nystatin - diet thing and have been aware of the problems of sugar, grain, mold, etc. Not to say I have given them up completely ;-). When I do eat bread these days, it is either Ezekial or Alvarado Bakery...both sprouted whole grains. Very possible that this is still a problem. I do not consume alcohol, caffeine, or white flour (well maybe occasionally flour at a social occasion) and certainly not artificial sweetners. If I need a sweetner, I use Stevia. I do have a weakness for ice cream. I have been making my own from organic (but not raw) cream. I have not been able to find raw cream. I use organic chocolate for flavoring....I know sugar and caffeine ;-((. But I keep this to once a week and have it shortly after a protein meal. I'm also aware of the constant " on alert system " , didn't realize it could also come from the insulin response. For me the " on alert " came from years from fearing for my life as the result of satanic and ritual abuse. Past that now, thank God. It is true that as of late I haven't been eating as much of my Kim Chee or Kefir as I was. It was seeming like they were stimulating my appetite and my cravings for them lessened. Has anyone else ever experienced this? Probiotics making you feel hungrier? Or is this a figment of my overweight paranoia imagination? Perhaps I need to try a really clean diet for a while and see what happens. ly it pisses me off that others can eat like garbage disposers and not have any apparent health problems, and I who have been trying to eat healthy for 20 yrs, can't get the energy to lead a " normal " life. Guess it's just another lesson on the path. Does anyone out there know about dehydration...caused by some sort of potassium imbalance that could cause nausea? It's just that there is this intuitive sense I have that something is wrong with the way my body uses or metabolizes potassium and that I get dehydrated easily. Any thoughts on that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 Hi Dennis, It helps a great deal. I suspect that one of the reasons people feel so good on low carb diets is that the candida begins to normalize. Most people report more energy, clear thinking, a less mood swings. These could all be signs a candida overgrowth is healing. Kat http://www.katking.com ----- Original Message ----- From: " dkemnitz2000 " <dkemnitz2000@...> < > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 7:38 PM Subject: Re: nausea > --- Kat, so what happens when a person with candida overgrowth > reduces carb intake significantly? Like maybe drops from 200 grams > processed CHO's to maybe 50 grams daily. Thanks. Dennis > > > In @y..., " Kat King " <katking@k...> wrote: > > Hi Dennis, > > > > YOU WROTE: " Can the> overgrowth be caused by a suppressed immune > system? " > > > > Candida is not caused by a suppressed immune system, but certainly > takes > > advantage of the situation. > > > > I have a good friend who went through chemotherapy, and candida > became a > > real problem after this treatment. But, candida was a bit of a > problem > > before the chemo., just got worse after. > > > > It is hard to believe, but there are still doctors who > don't " believe in > > candida infection. " A good doctor will take a blood sample and > have it > > tested. The results of a blood test are the most conclusive because > you want > > to see if the candida is in the blood. In a healthy individual, > there would > > be little to none. > > > > When the body's immune system is suppressed, the candida can begin > to take > > over because the immune system cannot keep it in check. Remember, > normally > > candida is found in the gut. It is naturally occurring and is not > a problem > > unless it gets out of control > > <>>>>>>>>><><<>><><><<<<<<>text below snipped by Dennid<><><><><><< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 I can't remember the name of the test, but the last time I had it done was about 1 1/2 years ago. They just take a blood sample and the lab comes back with measures. If your blood is in a certain range, you have the candida overgrowth (infection). It is like most standard blood tests. No fasting, nothing needs to be done but allow them to draw a small vial of blood. The doctor I had at the time suggested taking garlic capsules. I did for a while and it seemed to help, but found that fermented foods are much more effective. I make yogurt, fil mjolk, kefir, kombucha and just started playing around with EM (effective microorganisms). Also, any time I think I have been on this long enough and just a little sugar will not hurt, I quickly find I am wrong. Sticking to a low carb diet will be a way of life for me. Kat http://www.katking.com ----- Original Message ----- From: " darkstardog " <darkstar@...> < > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 8:00 PM Subject: Re: nausea > > > > > A good doctor will take a blood sample and > have it> tested. The results of a blood test are the most conclusive > > because you want> to see if the candida is in the blood. > > Was this done by a regular doctor or lab? What kind of blood test? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 Hi Dennis, I try to keep it simple and to keep my diet clean. I eat almost nothing that comes in a box or a can. I try to avoid all grains, but not everyone needs to do this. I make an effort to eat fats (nuts, meats, coconut oil, olive oil). For most people a low carb. diet will help. It is not the calories, it is the sugars/carbs. that encourage candida overgrowth. Kat http://www.katking.com ----- Original Message ----- From: " dkemnitz2000 " <dkemnitz2000@...> < > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 8:24 PM Subject: Re: nausea > --- Kat could you consider this hypothetical along the lines of those > eliminated CHO's either, first being replaced by ideal calories > (whatever that is) and secondly not replaced just living with fewer > calories daily? > I'm not really trying to stump you, I'm just very interested. Dennis > > In @y..., " dkemnitz2000 " <dkemnitz2000@y...> wrote: > > --- Kat, so what happens when a person with candida overgrowth > > reduces carb intake significantly? Like maybe drops from 200 grams > > processed CHO's to maybe 50 grams daily. Thanks. Dennis > > > > > > In @y..., " Kat King " <katking@k...> wrote: > > > Hi Dennis, > > > > > > YOU WROTE: " Can the> overgrowth be caused by a suppressed immune > > system? " > > > > > > Candida is not caused by a suppressed immune system, but > certainly > > takes > > > advantage of the situation. > > > > > > I have a good friend who went through chemotherapy, and candida > > became a > > > real problem after this treatment. But, candida was a bit of a > > problem > > > before the chemo., just got worse after. > > > > > > It is hard to believe, but there are still doctors who > > don't " believe in > > > candida infection. " A good doctor will take a blood sample and > > have it > > > tested. The results of a blood test are the most conclusive > because > > you want > > > to see if the candida is in the blood. In a healthy individual, > > there would > > > be little to none. > > > > > > When the body's immune system is suppressed, the candida can > begin > > to take > > > over because the immune system cannot keep it in check. > Remember, > > normally > > > candida is found in the gut. It is naturally occurring and is > not > > a problem > > > unless it gets out of control > > > > <>>>>>>>>><><<>><><><<<<<<>text below snipped by Dennid<><><><><><< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 Hi , There is a GREAT book called Your Body's Many Cries For Water. This doctor claims that the root of all disease is dehydration. I had just finished reading this book when someone on another group told me about super-hydrating water made with beads. These beads alter the molecules in the water, making a " thin water, " like dew. The idea is that these small molecules can more easily get into the cells. This has a three fold effect: 1> Nutritional delivery is enhanced. 2> hydration is increased. 3> waste can be washed away. Like you, I have tried most everything in an effort to regain my health. For $50.00 these beads were supposed to make a gallon of this super-hydrating water, every hour, for life. Since I had just finished reading this book on water, I thought " I am either a sucker or this is a " God shot. " I LOVE this water. You can feel the difference right away. When I touch the water it feels like a light moisturizer has been applied. It has done more for me than any single therapy I have tried, and I have spent thousands on various things over the last 11 years. There is more information at http://www.katking.com/Twilight/TwilightMain.htm Since this is off topic, feel free to write to me off the group if you have any questions. Kat http://www.katking.com ----- Original Message ----- From: " Lein " <smokey@...> < > Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 7:10 AM Subject: Re: nausea > To Sheila: The CFS " diagnosis " came from my accupuncturist after treating > me for about 6 yrs. I gave up on conventional Dr.'s about 12-13 yrs ago. > Personally I don't buy the diagnosis, not that people don't have all these > symptoms, I just think they are caused by a variety of factors in different > people. I also don't like to label myself with anything. We create what we > believe. > > To Kat: Thank you for your insights. I was in fact diagnosed with Candida > about 11 yrs ago by a homeopathic/MD/ I did the nystatin - diet thing and > have been aware of the problems of sugar, grain, mold, etc. Not to say I > have given them up completely ;-). When I do eat bread these days, it is > either Ezekial or Alvarado Bakery...both sprouted whole grains. Very > possible that this is still a problem. > > I do not consume alcohol, caffeine, or white flour (well maybe occasionally > flour at a social occasion) and certainly not artificial sweetners. If I > need a sweetner, I use Stevia. I do have a weakness for ice cream. I have > been making my own from organic (but not raw) cream. I have not been able > to find raw cream. I use organic chocolate for flavoring....I know sugar > and caffeine ;-((. But I keep this to once a week and have it shortly after > a protein meal. > > I'm also aware of the constant " on alert system " , didn't realize it could > also come from the insulin response. For me the " on alert " came from years > from fearing for my life as the result of satanic and ritual abuse. Past > that now, thank God. > > It is true that as of late I haven't been eating as much of my Kim Chee or > Kefir as I was. It was seeming like they were stimulating my appetite and > my cravings for them lessened. Has anyone else ever experienced this? > Probiotics making you feel hungrier? Or is this a figment of my overweight > paranoia imagination? > > Perhaps I need to try a really clean diet for a while and see what happens. > ly it pisses me off that others can eat like garbage disposers and not > have any apparent health problems, and I who have been trying to eat healthy > for 20 yrs, can't get the energy to lead a " normal " life. Guess it's just > another lesson on the path. > > Does anyone out there know about dehydration...caused by some sort of > potassium imbalance that could cause nausea? It's just that there is this > intuitive sense I have that something is wrong with the way my body uses or > metabolizes potassium and that I get dehydrated easily. Any thoughts on > that? > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 , > It is true that as of late I haven't been eating as much of my Kim Chee or > Kefir as I was. It was seeming like they were stimulating my appetite and > my cravings for them lessened. Has anyone else ever experienced this? > Probiotics making you feel hungrier? Or is this a figment of my overweight > paranoia imagination? I have just read Ray Peat's piece on coconut oil (below). He ceratinaly makes tha point that if you eat coconut oil you will slim down - it speeds up your metabolism. It's worth a read. http://www.efn.org/~raypeat/nutri.html The Benefits of Coconut Oil http://www.efn.org/~raypeat/coconut.rtf > Perhaps I need to try a really clean diet for a while and see what happens. > ly it pisses me off that others can eat like garbage disposers and not > have any apparent health problems, and I who have been trying to eat healthy > for 20 yrs, can't get the energy to lead a " normal " life. Guess it's just > another lesson on the path. That's a bummer! > Does anyone out there know about dehydration...caused by some sort of > potassium imbalance that could cause nausea? It's just that there is this > intuitive sense I have that something is wrong with the way my body uses or > metabolizes potassium and that I get dehydrated easily. Any thoughts on > that? This may not be actually answering your questions, but have you read " Your Body's Many Cries For Water " ? I just read that and was amazed at how many ways lack of adequate water can upset your balance. This too was a whole new area for me, in spite of my training in nutrition. Kris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2002 Report Share Posted October 18, 2002 Just an interesting update. Yesterday I went to see my PT who does myofacial release and energy work. She had been out of country so I haven't seen her for 4 weeks. She worked on some tight muscles that affect certain nerves to the spine. I had forgotten about the spine out of whack - nausea connection. I am feeling better today. But I am going to check with Kat about the water cause I still think there is also this dehydration thing. What happens is I drink alot of water, but it goes right through. In the past I have tried drinking an electrolyte drink and it has helped the flu-like symptoms. Maybe I forgot this time so I could find out about these water beads from Kat ;-). Liz, I got sick the morning I was to go pick them up so it actually hit before they got home. I feel best when I am out with the horses, they havew their own healing abilities. I have considered that it is something in the house, but I have been living here 15 yrs and I am not always sick. Also, I do not use chemical products in the house. Very little carpeting, etc. Liz wrote: <<<I think this might be your clue -- if your nausea started when the horses came home, I would suggest that your illness is very likely due to something about the horses. Perhaps a bacterial or viral infection that they carried; allergic response to either the horses or something in the materials used in the barn; something about the grasses planted in the pasture? There probably was some new element introduced either via the horses or barn or pastures. Have you been tested for infection? Allergy tested? Good luck!>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 Anyone who has taken prednisone knows that awful nausea side effect where you think if you eat the feeling will go away but doesn't... having been on evil candy for thirty years I am accustomed to that. I've had two Xolair injections and am noticing an increased nausea the past two months and it's been really bad since the last injection - I am aware of it most of the time. Nothing I drink or eat (yogurt, bread) seems to make a difference. I'm already on Nexium twice a day but I don't notice reflux, just this sicky feeling in my stomach. It's kind of like when I was taking Slow FE Iron supplement (I've been doing Feosol the past year and have not had that horrible sick to my stomach until this summer). Is this a Xolair coincidence of something else or do others have this symptom from Xolair? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 > > Anyone who has taken prednisone knows that awful nausea side effect > where you think if you eat the feeling will go away but doesn't... > having been on evil candy for thirty years I am accustomed to that. > > I've had two Xolair injections and am noticing an increased nausea the > past two months and it's been really bad since the last injection - I > am aware of it most of the time. Nothing I drink or eat (yogurt, > bread) seems to make a difference. I'm already on Nexium twice a day > but I don't notice reflux, just this sicky feeling in my stomach. It's > kind of like when I was taking Slow FE Iron supplement (I've been > doing Feosol the past year and have not had that horrible sick to my > stomach until this summer). > > Is this a Xolair coincidence of something else or do others have this > symptom from Xolair? > Thanks for posting I have been on Xolair since it was first approved in 1993 and have had no problems with nausea. This is the first time I have heard this symptom brought up on this board. I hope others respond to your question too. I would like to learn more too Doug Group founder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 My son has been on Xolair since it was approved in 1993, and he has never experienced the nausea from taking it. As of a matter of fact, before Xolair he was always sick to his stomach and taking Nexium which he does not need now. uca79iii <bme1979@...> wrote: > > Anyone who has taken prednisone knows that awful nausea side effect > where you think if you eat the feeling will go away but doesn't... > having been on evil candy for thirty years I am accustomed to that. > > I've had two Xolair injections and am noticing an increased nausea the > past two months and it's been really bad since the last injection - I > am aware of it most of the time. Nothing I drink or eat (yogurt, > bread) seems to make a difference. I'm already on Nexium twice a day > but I don't notice reflux, just this sicky feeling in my stomach. It's > kind of like when I was taking Slow FE Iron supplement (I've been > doing Feosol the past year and have not had that horrible sick to my > stomach until this summer). > > Is this a Xolair coincidence of something else or do others have this > symptom from Xolair? > Thanks for posting I have been on Xolair since it was first approved in 1993 and have had no problems with nausea. This is the first time I have heard this symptom brought up on this board. I hope others respond to your question too. I would like to learn more too Doug Group founder --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 > > Hi, > > I have been on pred for eons. Nausea is not a usual side effect of prednisone. However, prednisone does cause gastric distress and, in some, can lead to serious GI problems (peptic ulcer, pancreatitis etc...) that do have nausea as a side effect. You should get a thorough GI work-up. There are many effective anti-nausea drugs out there. I have never heard of nausea as a side effect of xolair. There is no mechanism whereby xolair could cause it through its pharmacological actions. > > > > ps Doug it's 2003 not 1993!! Lol! OOPS! See what all those years on evil candy have done to my mind???? LOL! Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 Nausea wasn't a side effect for me even on the prednisone. But I did have stomach cramps and would sometimes be nauseated if I didn't eat enough or didn't eat before taking the pred. I learned early on to be sure to eat something before taking the evil stuff. Nausea has not been a side effect for xolair for me, either. But I do get nauseated if I go too long without eating something. I agree that getting a good check-up by a GI is a good place to start. That would rule out any serious problem, hopefully. Adah uca79iii <bme1979@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > I have been on pred for eons. Nausea is not a usual side effect of prednisone. However, prednisone does cause gastric distress and, in some, can lead to serious GI problems (peptic ulcer, pancreatitis etc...) that do have nausea as a side effect. You should get a thorough GI work-up. There are many effective anti-nausea drugs out there. I have never heard of nausea as a side effect of xolair. There is no mechanism whereby xolair could cause it through its pharmacological actions. > > > > ps Doug it's 2003 not 1993!! Lol! OOPS! See what all those years on evil candy have done to my mind???? LOL! Doug --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 I agree completely with about the importance of evaluating your nausea as a symptom of something other than a side effect of Xolair. There are many possible reasons for longstanding nausea. It would be wise to see your primary ASAP and let her/him check you out to see if there is a simple cause and then refer you to a GI specialist if necessary. Fran > > Hi, > > I have been on pred for eons. Nausea is not a usual side effect of prednisone. However, prednisone does cause gastric distress and, in some, can lead to serious GI problems (peptic ulcer, pancreatitis etc...) that do have nausea as a side effect. You should get a thorough GI work-up. There are many effective anti-nausea drugs out there. I have never heard of nausea as a side effect of xolair. There is no mechanism whereby xolair could cause it through its pharmacological actions. > > > > ps Doug it's 2003 not 1993!! Lol! > > > Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new at http://mrd.mail./try_beta?.intl=ca > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 I also experienced the nausea you describe when taking prednisone - it was awful. It also gave me this horrible metal taste in my mouth - which everyone said it should not - BUT IT DID. I switched from prednisone to medrol(Methylprednisolone), and the nausea and metal taste disappeared. I dont' know why - maybe it was all just psychological (which I don't really believe) but what really matters was that I was more comfortable. Although I'm still lucky enough to experience some of the other fun symptoms - puffy face, mood swings, bruising, etc. I've been on medrol now for five years - every day even with the Xolair. I have also experienced bouts (lasting weeks) of nausea similar to what I had experienced with the prednisone while on Xolair. However, I have not attributed my nausea to the Xolair. I attributed those bouts to another condition I have - hypereosinophilia (HES - an autoimmune disease)- and increased my medrol for a couple of months until it went away. I did find it interesting to hear about your experience, though, since the nausea bouts I experienced were atypical of my usual " flairs. " I'm still thinking it was probably the HES, but will be interested to hear if anyone has this experience. Thanks for sharing your experience! Peggy > > Anyone who has taken prednisone knows that awful nausea side effect > where you think if you eat the feeling will go away but doesn't... > having been on evil candy for thirty years I am accustomed to that. > > I've had two Xolair injections and am noticing an increased nausea the > past two months and it's been really bad since the last injection - I > am aware of it most of the time. Nothing I drink or eat (yogurt, > bread) seems to make a difference. I'm already on Nexium twice a day > but I don't notice reflux, just this sicky feeling in my stomach. It's > kind of like when I was taking Slow FE Iron supplement (I've been > doing Feosol the past year and have not had that horrible sick to my > stomach until this summer). > > Is this a Xolair coincidence of something else or do others have this > symptom from Xolair? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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