Re: Poo's get mucousy poops!

[Guest guest]

Pam,

What breed is your baby girl? Has she lost or gained weight?

Does she drink more water than normal for her?

I have had several dogs over the years. Let me go through what

comes to mind.

Variations in her diet can cause turmoil. Settle on one main food

regimen and keep it at that or close to it. Make any changes slowly

over a week or more. Their guts are not like ours. Little

continuous changes can cause them turmoil. If her stomach is

sensitive, try making a rice based food for her. If you need help, I

can pass on a good recipe for that.

Another possibility is that she's allergic to something in the raw

meats. Remember that a lot of that stuff is shot full of antibiotics to

be able to make it to the slaughter-house. It may be hormone free

but is it antibiotic or other drug free?

Salt in any quantity is not a good thing for dogs either. It will give

them diarrhea.

What enzyme powder are you giving her? Is there a reason she

needs this?

I wonder about the kefir. It's a fermented milk product and milk is

mucous forming. From what my vet told me long ago, fermented

milk products are not good for dogs in any frequency or quantity.

He just told me they had a different gut to us. From that I think

they have different bacteria than humans.

Since she's a liver patient and she's vomiting bile, I think I'd see

what her vet says. It may be more than food related.

When a dog grazes (eats grass) it's generally to TRY to vomit so

they feel better... like a tummy ache. At least that's what I've

observed over the years.

I feed my dog Flint River Ranch foods. She used to have a lot of

intestinal problems on others, but she's been fine on their

formulation. It's not raw but it is human food grade ingredients.

Remember that dogs are omnivores, not strictly carnivores.

That's my thoughts,

Skip

On 25 Jul 2004 at 21:03, pam wrote:

> I'm getting frustrated w/ my little dog. I know I won't be able to

> tell you enough to help me fix this problem but I'm kinda desperate

> cuz I know this isn't right. She is raw fed mainly, but I did buy

> a couple cans of Hills Liver i.d. and she has eaten one can,

> finished it off over the week. She poops in the house when they get

> all mucousy and she is potty trained so I know her tummy is in

> turmoil. She gets this way on raw so I can't attribute it to one

> food in particular. She has always had bouts w/ this problem, they

> come and go but lately they seem to be more frequent. Her stools

> are loaded w/ mucous, slimy and sometimes that's all they are is

> brown slime. For the most part she seems fine but I know she is a

> strong little thing who just wants to play no matter what. When I

> feed raw I buy New Seasons hormone/pesticide free etc. ground fatty

> chicken, turkey, and occassionally I buy the ground beef when she

> gets tired of those. She does require diet changes/food variations

> that way but I have been blessed that all she has been thru she

> remains to have a strong appetite. I will also at times poach the

> food when she turns away from the raw. She is 8yrs and has a

> diagnosed liver shunt that I control w/ diet, but she is so

> borderline when it comes to me thinking I am controlling that that I

> am confused. I don't know what kind of liver shunt but amonia levels

> taken from her pointed to a shunt. She gets distilled water, and at

> times put a drop or two of ACV in it. The only treats she gets are

> ones I make w/ boiled chicken livers, vegi pulp, mollases,

> buckwheat, seasalt, kelp, nutritional yeast, garlic powder, milk

> solids etc. and gets only 2 of these a day, they are very small. I

> mix in her raw food some of the above at times but alternate so as

> she doesn't get too much. I also at times (most of the time) have

> the TN w/ garlic powder, nutritional yeast in a shaker bottle that

> goes on her raw. She only eats like 1/3 cup a day.

> I /2times a day for a week off and on give her a couple drops of

> dandelion or milk thistle tincture and will also put some drops of

> TT on her food as well to spice it up. I know this may sound like

> alot but I don't do this day after day. I alternate it all for a

> few days at a time. I just wing it with her I'm not schooled in any

> herbal courses or anything and I don't want to overdo anything w/

> her either (but maybe I am). She is 4lb 2oz as of last week and

> overall 'acts' fine. Generally her stools are solid, never had

> continuous problems w/ that but she does get VERY mucousy stools

> that she cannot hold onto until potty time and I don't know what the

> heck I'm doing or not doing to cause this. I also will at times

> when she gets like this give her some kefir before bed and do this

> when she throws up which is another topic all together but may tie

> in but they don't happen at the same time, it's either stool or

> throw up. When she does throw up it generally is bile or acids or

> clear or if she is really icky her food will come up. She likes to

> eat grass which I scold against due to toxins and I occassionally

> sprinkle vegi enzymes on her food or mix it in when I premake the

> patties. I also toss her treats w/ enzyme powder.

> What have I left out?

> HELP.

> Pam

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[Guest guest]

--- > Pam,

>

> What breed is your baby girl?

YORKIPOO

Has she lost or gained weight?

NOT SURE EXACTLY, MAYBE LOST 5OZ OVER PAST YEAR

> Does she drink more water than normal for her?

SHE DRINKS APPROX. 1/4CUP PER DAY MAX WHEN HOT OR AFTER A PLAYFUL

DAY. SHE IS VERY ACTIVE.(TOUGH QUESTION)

>

> I have had several dogs over the years. Let me go through what

> comes to mind.Variations in her diet can cause turmoil. Settle on

one main food regimen and keep it at that or close to it. Make

changes slowly over a week or more. Their guts are not like ours.

Little continuous changes can cause them turmoil. If her stomach is

> sensitive, try making a rice based food for her. If you need

help, I can pass on a good recipe for that.

THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE, I CHANGE FREQUENTLY OR SHOULD I SAY I HAVE

A FEW ITEMS THAT I FEED. ANY RECIPE IS A GOOD THING IF YOU WISH TO

PASS ALONG.

>

> Another possibility is that she's allergic to something in the raw

> meats. Remember that a lot of that stuff is shot full of

antibiotics to

> be able to make it to the slaughter-house. It may be hormone free

> but is it antibiotic or other drug free?

SUPPOSEDLY IT IS, THAT'S WHAT THEY TOLD ME AND THE PRICE REFLECTS

THAT. BUT WHO REALLY KNOWS, IT'S A CRAP SHOOT WITH ANYTHING ANYMORE

>

> Salt in any quantity is not a good thing for dogs either. It will

give them diarrhea.

I WILL ELIMINATE ANY SALT ADDING WHICH I DO PUT IN A BATCH OF TREATS

>

> What enzyme powder are you giving her? Is there a reason she

> needs this?

ENZYME RESEARCH, A DIGESTIVE PLANT ENZYME DIETARY SUPPLEMENT. THE

VET ALONG TIME AGO SAID THEY WOULD HELP HER DIGEST FOOD BETTER. NOT

REALLY SURE BUT MADE SENSE AT THE TIME. LIVER SHUNT DOGS ARE SUPPOSE

TO HAVE LOWER FAT/PROTEIN INTAKE BECAUSE THEY CANNOT HANDLE THE

AMONIA BUILDUP CAUSED BY THE DIGESTION OF THESE THINGS. SO THE

AMONIA MADE BY THESE BYPASS THE LIVER AND GO INTO THE BLOOD, INTO

THE BRAIN CAUSING PROBLEMS.

>

> I wonder about the kefir. It's a fermented milk product and milk

is

> mucous forming. From what my vet told me long ago, fermented

> milk products are not good for dogs in any frequency or quantity.

> He just told me they had a different gut to us. From that I think

> they have different bacteria than humans.

RARELY DO I DO KEFIR, IT'S NOT A DAILY THING, MAYBE 2 TIMES A MONTH,

HONESTLY IT'S ONLY WHEN I SEE HER NOT EATING. NOT THAT THAT IS RIGHT

BUT I WILL STOP. WHEN SHE THROWS UP I FEEL MY STOMACH BURNING FOR

HER AND USE TO GIVE HER MILK OF MAGNESIA TO SETTLE THAT THAN I WAS

CONCERNED ABOUT (SHOULD I BE DOING THAT?). SO WOULD DO SOME KEFIR

BUT YOUR ANALOGY MAKES SENSE. IT'S A NIGHT THING OR MORNING THING.

WHAT I MEAN WHEN SHE IS SICK AT THOSE TIMES THAN MY MIND IS INCLINED

FOR USING THE KEFIR.

>

> Since she's a liver patient and she's vomiting bile, I think I'd

see what her vet says. It may be more than food related.

THE VET TOLD ME WHAT TO DO, FEED A LOW PROTEIN FAT FOOD AND USE MILK

THISTLE AND OR DANDELION. AND IF I CANNOT CONTROL HER DISCOMFORT

THAT WAY THAT OPERATE, WHICH WOULD GIVE HER LIVER MORE CLEANSING

ABILITY. THE DIET BACK THAN 5YRS AGO DIDN'T WORK, SHE DIDN'T GET

BETTER SO I RESEARCHED AND THAT'S WHEN I TRIED RAW. SHE HANDLES RAW

BEST. SHE'S BEEN THIS WAY/SICK SINCE THE DAY I GOT HER AT 8 WEEKS,

SHE'S 8YRS NOW. AN OPERATION IS APPROX 5,000 DOLLARS. I HAVE PUT

ALMOST THAT INTO HER SINCE I GOT HER. I HAVE TO DO THIS ON MY OWN,

I'VE FIGURED OUT ALOT SOO FAR, LEARNED ALOT ANYWAY, NOT ALL RIGHT -

OBVIOUSLY--->

BELEIVE ME THIS BREAKS MY HEART.

>

> When a dog grazes (eats grass) it's generally to TRY to vomit so

> they feel better... like a tummy ache. At least that's what I've

> observed over the years.

SHE RARELY DOES THROW UP THE GRASS AFTER EATING IT, BUT SHE HAS.

AND I DO BELEIVE THIS IS TRUE ABOUT THE TUMMY ACHE AND GRASS

>

> I feed my dog Flint River Ranch foods. She used to have a lot of

> intestinal problems on others, but she's been fine on their

> formulation. It's not raw but it is human food grade

ingredients.

> Remember that dogs are omnivores, not strictly carnivores.

>

> That's my thoughts,

> Skip

> ALL EXCELLENT THOUGHTS. SHE HAS HARDLY ANY TEETH LEFT IN HER

MOUTH DUE TO HER YEARS OF SICKNESS AND JAW BONE NOT DEVELOPING

PROPERLY. SO SOFT FOOD IS ALWAYS HER FAVORITE. HER POOP WAS FINE

THROUGHOUT THIS CAN OF FOOD, HILLS I.D. UNTIL TODAY WHEN I FOUND THE

MUCOUSY POOP IN THE HOUSE AND THIS WAS THE CANNED FOOD. I CHANGED

NOTHING THE PAST WEEK OTHER THAN THIS FOOD, AND ALL WAS FINE UNTIL

TODAY.

Pam

P.S. Hope the caps didn't drive your eyes insane but I wanted to

differentiate between your writing and mine.

[Guest guest]

Hi Pam,

I suggest you check out the following excellent website by Straus. I'm

sure you will find out the best way to feed Poo for her liver problems.

http://www.bowchow.com/specific.html

Cheers,

and the (raw fed) K9's